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pretty white blond girl as their mascot. i love everything about this, except that the action figure is blond, the ad is still getting hundreds of thousands of views. >> all of our time, inside story is next. 4040 more than 22,000 people have disappeared in mexico's long dirty drug war. the kidnapping and maybe murder of 43 teaching students has millions of mexicans saying enough. it's inside story. hello, i am ray swarez. in late september, about
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100 p students from the rural teachers college headed to ago wall la,s in the mexico state, to protest government policies effecting their schools. more than 40 of them were taken into custody by police, then handed over to a powerful criminal gang. they haven't been seen alive since. a steady stream of reports have come from mexico for years, shocking details of horrendous gothic depravity. but there's something about the presumed killing of these young adults that is sticking in mexico's draw. this time the details are not being absorbed and then chases from the front pages by a new multiple murder. two disgust with these killings may not be consuming the administration of mexican president enrique. >> is found hanging out in an abandon house, his major, and his wife, they were arrested this week.
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>> i hope that this arrest will contribute in a decisive way to the investigation. which the attorney general is carrying out. >> it's been nearly six weeks since 43 students went missing. and this arrest is one of the first major steps the president has done to get to the bottom of it. >> we know this was the missing piece, if the federal authorities have completed the jigsaw puzzle this means we are closer to finding the students. >> the slow pace of the investigation may reflect the tangles web behind the kidnapping. allegedly they were trying to hijack a bus when they were taken by policeman and it's suspected on the order of the mayor and his wife. >> we want justice. because it's not fair our 43 colleagues have disappeared into thin air. >> the investigation has authorities in an all out search through multiple
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mass grave sites. they recovered 38 bodies none of which were the 43 students. and with each day, the search goes on, national anger continues to flair. >> tens of thousands of people are demonstrating in the giant capitol mexico city, dend maaing answers. >> if they aren't alive, then at least find them so the families can mourn. >> these 43 students are part of an estimated 22,000 people who have gone missing in mexico since 2006. kid p thatting is typically used by gangs to extort money and recruit new members sometimes in collusion with local authorities. teresa bow of al jazeera fault lines program recently traveled to mexico to meet some of the families searching for loved ones.
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power. the arrest of a public official and the wife who hoped to succeed him is a sobering symptom of a class of public officials that people of mexico can't trust, and might well fear. the missing teacher trainees this time on the program. what does the crime and the reaction to it tell you about the mexican people today? as the war on the drug trade continues to overshadow another administration. as the protests continue, will people be unalmost to let this crime go? in a way that changes anything. joining us for that conversation, teresa bowl is a cor can respondent with al jazeera america's fault lines p jose is an editor with one of the leading newspapers and jonathan fox is a professor of development studies school of
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international service in washington, d.c. jose, let me start with you, what was different about this particular case? that with all the murders that have happened this one instead of disappearing, kept gathering steam? the reaction? >> i believe it is like the straw that broke the camel's box, three months ago you had a big environmental problem in sonaro where a big large mining company appeared to get away free without any big deal. and then a month and a half later, in early september, there was a killing of about 20 people, very controversial confrontation with the army, and at this point, there are quite a few army members including one officer that are being transferred to a civilian court to face
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charges, for what -- for possibly murder. and then after those two scandals developed there are these 43 young people that are not only arrests but handled publicly handed to the drug cartels. so it was like a cascade of probables and then to quote one of the to quote a slogan in yesterday's demonstration, is you messed with the wrong generation. that is in point, where it stays it is a young generation, there are students young people, the ones that they are keeping alive at protests at this point. >> the size of the demonstrations has been growing, has it forced the government to behave to respond in a way that's different from other cases. >> is at this point, yes.
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the arrest of these two persons is a case in point, because 1st the case was made by local can and state authorities the federation picks up the case about five or six days later because of the problems with the jurisdictions and then ever sin then they have been trying to reconstruct the whole problem. so the arrest of the mayor and his wife, at this point, is the biggest advances, they believe they hope, that they will be able to aid -- find the young people, they hope they are still alive, they are praying for them to be alive.
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second, they are acts also because uh there is an increasing pressure. there is not a large business reunion, and there has been two or three where the issue has not come up. is it a habit to let these cases go cold? >> we have been going all around mexico can state. and what we saw is people's struggling with the investigations, they complain that state officials don't do anything to help them. most of the people we spoke to are carries out the investigations themes because nobody is helping them, it has forced the government to look into something that's been going on in this country can for a long time. and doing what has not been happening in other places because what we found was desperate people who don't know where their loved ones are. there's no investigation
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and there's also a lack of empass think. were left alone with this fight to find out what happened to the people we love. >> i see you nods when teresa talks about the lack of empathy, is there a large gap? a distance between the common people of mexico and their officials. >> there certainly is, and in addition one of the ways in which the government has tended to sweep the prop of the disappears is with an implication, that when young people disappear or get killed by organizationed crime, that somehow they may have been involved themselves. they are just not low status, they are somehow considered implicated. these are college counts who come can from very humble backgrounds and these are people who could have been lured or recruited into organized crime can, and instead were committing their lives for less than very little money, to providing the right
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education to people in their own low income communities. so they really were following some of the more inspiring legacies of the mexican revolution, and it was -- when you add do that the fact that it was the mayor himself, who apparently gave the order, who has already shot someone else, and was -- that was widely known, thaumasite resonate differently. >> and in this case, they were going to the place where they disappeared, to protest that urban students were being treated better. and that rural students were being me becket clicked. that must have resonated too. >> yes, and they were on the way to commemoration of the famous october second 1968 massacre of students by the army and that just adds to the point yensy of this. >> we will be back with more inside story, after this short break, we'll continue our look at the reaction to the kidnapping and probably the killing of more than
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september. here we are in november, and growing demonstrations continue. we should talk a little bit more about the two officials who have been arrested so far. the mayor of the town where the students disappeared and his wife, who not only was the first lady, but a candidate to succeed him, and an official in the national social welfare program. this kind of double and tripping dipping isn't unusual, is it. >> no. >> and she was one of the sisters oif cartel that was operating in the area so this is something you see all around the country can, is these links between criminal organizations and state officials. where you go and the son of the governor appeared with the leader of the knighting templar, you go to other areas where even the army, the marines are disappearing people, they are accused of being involved. so wherever you look, it is the state, in some way or another, persecuting
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people, disappearing people, and this just shows the amount and how entrenched criminal organizations are mexico's system. if you start ask i can does this end, who is on top of this, that indication could be can very very dangerous for the government, because it could even question how it got to the presidency himself. >> dangerous for the government, professor fox, the governor of the state is the so far the only head to roll along with those people who have been arrested, but does this have the potential, the attention, the growing movement rather than the receding one of eating higher up into the food change here in mexico? could bigger heads roll. >> it's certainly possible. there have been waves of social media campaigning calling for his resignation, which would be unprecedented in the mexican context. and much of the public is fully aware that not only
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was the response largely botched in the sense that the problem was ignored by the federal government for the first week, but many people are aware that the federal government was warned at the highest level, by a bishop, by a congress can woman, they were warned that this mayor has already in may of 2013, personally murders one of his opponents. and so the fact that it was ignored at the highest level, and considered merely a local matter, shows dereliction of duty at the very at least. >> this talk to the president didn't respond quickly enough uh, is he fully engangs now? >> he is, but i think that there is a couple of interesting points to make. on the one hand, not only the federal government, but the political party that presented the candidacy of both, especially the mayor, was warned a year before in 2012, something like
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that, and this -- and this is is that it is the recognized leftist part of the country, even who is the leader of a new leftist party trying to come up has been -- has seen -- has been seen photographed with these two people, so if the left the right, and the center to use that description, are in the whole thing, who is going to leave whatever movement is coming up. tuesday students are occupies the ministry of justice, is -- are we still at the early days of this? if they don't get satisfaction, if they don't get answers are we likely to see this thing continue to grow in intensity. >> i don't know. i think people will go up and because there is
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another point, the whatever answer the gov can give at this point, will for sure will not be satisfactory, for this -- for young people, until they are -- the bodies or the persons that are miss willing found, and there's enough punishment, but what is enough? and how many enough -- how many people is enough detained? i have no idea the answer to that question. >> we will be back with more inside story in just a moment. when we return, we'll look at the president and his pri party, are we crossing a threshold here? does the anger on the streets reach a potential to reach through the doors and consume his presidency? stay with us.
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we are back with inside story. mexico is a big country. after the years of breathtaking violence, that has taken tens of thousands of lives. the administration is dealing with a rising tide of anger, following the presumed deaths of 43 student teachers, after a demonstration annoyed a mayoral candidate connect canned to a major drug gang. still with us, a cor can respondent with al jazeera america's fault lines program. jose is an editor with access see your, one of the leading newspapers and jonathan fox is a professor of development studies. and professor fox, you heard jose talks about the accumulation of problems in the administration. he still hasn't been to ignored wall la. is it in the nature of mexican presidents to get involved with this kind of thing?
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or is it something they need to learn? after being like episodically elected kings they have to do things like respond to ainge fresh the streets and in a way that shows that they are enganged? well, presidents in the past that have not paid attention have pay add very high price. that was a key can moment, where public interest groups and neighborhood leaders began to fill the gap left by the inability or unwilling to deal, and one of the things that we need to take into account, is that even though as mentioned none of the political parties are in a position of leadership on the human rights issue right now, but there is a broad and deep web of public interest groups
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organizations, not part of the image, but there are many many human rights defenders, and women's rights about vests and ding nows leaders who the government needs to be paying a lot closer attention to. when they met the victims family, there offense so little trust, they they claimed afterwards that the government offered them bribes to keep quiet. >> when he was running for president, promised to be a departure from the previous administration, in the approach against the cartels. was the difference basically to just drop the sacramento? does he just try to change and it get mexico talking about something else? >> well, definitely. what we saw, and have been seeing when we go there and talking to mexican officials is this campaign that is now the
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time for development. now is the time for mexico to become one of the biggest anies in the world, and they wanted to focus on that, in fact, when the whole self-defense groups rose we were with some government officials that were telling us that's not the focus, the focus can is on develop innocent, oen the any is not on the self-defense, and they were very blunt about it, so obviously, this is taking the attention completely somewhere else. a few months ago, he was on the cover of "time" saying saving mexico. so there was a big pr campaign, and now what is happening now, that's been happening in the country for a long time, is obviously taking the government somewhere else, but also what is interesting is this whole drug war and doing his campaign, he said something would change, when you are on the ground, when and those are one of mexico's most violent states nothing has changed.
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and speech has changed, they are not talking so much about the war on drugs but the war on drugs is still there. the military is still there, the police are still there. so obviously this is a very very big issue for the government right now. >> jose, the writish and socialologist wrote 22,000 disappeared is a statistic, 43 with names and families is a hue moon rights crisis, has this event put a face and names on people that has made them more than numbers in a way that can't can be ignored. >> accepting that it has happened. you can see the faces and the names for young people. all over the country, in different settings in the media, everywhere. so they easily have become a symbol of the whole problem.
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there is -- not only a very balanced state, it is a traditionally ball lanced state. so it has -- they have become a flag. and mexico city itself, that's interesting to me when i was therefore be the last of election, at the height of the violence, mexico city sometimes feels like a bit of a bubble. you read these terrible headlinings from other places in the country, and the capitol managed to float above all of that, but now this story is shutting down the main streets of one of the world's largest cities. >> that is true. the people, the young people there are becoming more enganged in the political situation there
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is more demand. they are less willing to let things go then at the same time, these names and faces. this is the big difference, napes and faces in a place which is related to mexico city. winter hundred kilometers or so, so they are closer and closer. people are concerned about the possibility that this violence we have seen could be presenting itself in mexico city. and they want answered because it was so blatant, soapy verse, that they need answers. and they want punishment. >> professor fox is the current president hobbled by this. can he have this consume the rest of the four years as president. >> i think it is possible. there's been a real
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emperor has no clothes effect. right after the students had been kid p thatted, him offering to provide troops and at the same time, his own troops looking the other way. when this was with taking place, the army battalion is within earshot of where the attacks were on the students by the police and the ca cartel ad did nothing. so i think his credibility has been damaged. and we will see whether he can invest the cap can toll it will take. >> does he have to move quickly to save his presidency. >> most definitely, and these as i said before, they are doing things we haven't seen the government do, just because of the amount of tension the presidency right now, they have to give an answer, they have to see whether the students are dead.
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or alive, or somewhere, owhat happened and continue this investigation, and definitely people want to see somebody judged. >> thank you all very much, that brings us to the end of this edition, thank you for being with us, now the program may be over, be uh the conversation continues, we want to hear what you think about the issues raised on this or on any day's show, log on to our facebook page, send us your thoughts our handle is a.j. inside story, mine is at ray swarez news, see you for the next inside story, for washington. i am ray swarez.
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