have a great night. ♪..all the people ♪ living life in peace ♪ you may say i'm a dreamer ...♪ president obama dares congress to act as he goes it alone, changing american immigration policy. also, is our war against isil unfocused and underfunded? and americans feel alzheimer's more than any other disease. so why does it get so little funding for research? hello, i am antonio mora and welcome to "consider this." those stories and much more straight ahead. ♪ ♪ there are actions i have the legal authority take as president that will help make our immigration system more fair. i am announcing those actions. >> instead working together to

fix our broken immigration system, the president says he's act on the ground his own. that's just not how our democracy works. >> u.s. officials have repeatedly said the war against isil willing take years. >> the president's strategies and policies are lead to go failure. >> isil remains a force on the ground. >> scientist have his suck. i landed. >> the road block on a moving comet. >> it was not america, not nasa pressing the buttons this time. we begin with president obama's controversial move, the most swing changes to our immigration system in a generation. >> what i am describing is accountability. a common sense middle ground approach. if you meet the criteria, you can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. if you are a criminal, you will be departed. if you plan to enter the u.s. illegally, your chances of getting caught and sent back just went you would. my fellow americans we are and always will be a nation of immigrants.

we were strangers once too. >> the president's three-year plan allows roughly move filion people to avoid deportation. it includes deferred action on deportations for parents of children who are citizens or legal residents. this impacts roughly 4.1 million individuals who can now work legally. it expand the dreamers' act provisions, calls for prioritizing deportations for recent arrivals and criminals and beefs up border security. the president up sifted his actions are lawful and challenged republicans who have threatened to sue him. claiming he is wildly exceeding his he ca his executive authority. >> to those in congress that question my authority to make our immigration system work better or question the wisdom where i have acted where they have failed. i have one answer. pass a bill. >> republicans say they are ready do whatever it takes to stop the president. >> the country is going to go nuts because they are going to

see it as a move outside of the authority of the president. hopefully not, but you could see instances of anarchy. >> joining us now from capitol hill to discuss the president amounts peach is remember con congressman steve king representing iowa's fourth congressional district. congressman, good to have you with us. i know you strongly oppose the president's -- >> glad to be on. >> -- unilateral action. but didn't something need to be done? immigration reform has been perillized. >> this didn't need to be done. the destruction of the rule of law with regard to immigration didn't need to be done. that's what has happened. the president has taken the contusion, stood before america, separated out article one, the law-making authority that's granted exclusively to the united states congress, torn that section out of the contusion, folded it once and tucked it in his shirt pocket and said i am going to run that part of this government too. he has taken that authority and it's our founding father set up a separation of powers and envisioned that each branch of government, the ladies and gentlemen slate i have,

executive and judicial branches of government would jealously protect the power that's invested in them through the constitution . this congress has to step up and take back its legislative authority from this president if not our republican has been torn apart. that's why i have this sick feeling in my stomach tonight about what this press has done and he knows better. 22 times and to the public he gave the speech. >> isn't that the issue you, congress has refuse today even take a vote . slug including the senate bill that had support. immigration is a crisis that republicans have called attention to. wasn't there a desperate need to move on this if congress count? >> it congress doesn't pass a bill that the president wants that doesn't validate his unconstitutional action. i would say instead, if the president thought this was so important, he failed to convince

congress that they should pass a bill that followed his bidding. congress has passed ledge veils we can passed border security legislation august 1st of this year to tighten the loophole from the other than mexican kids that are coming in to america be distributed to every state, tighten up our border security to send money to the border state governors directly because the president isn't enforcing the law. the president announced before the bill was drafted that he would veto it. that's the kind of cooperation that we have from the president. now he sticks his finger directly in to the eye of the united states congress, tears the constitution apart, takes upon himself the legislator authority that's exclusively to the congress and destroys the rule of law for a long time to come, we have to put the president back in to the constitutional guardrails and that's going take a step, a series of steps of things to do. >> and certainly the president did not move on this when he had huge majorities in both houses of congress during his first two years. and we are seeing -- >> that's right.

the rhetoric has gotten very heated on the republican side calling him a lawless president, illegal administration, senator coburn saying we could see an arc and i violence. how far are congressional republicans ready to go, prepared to go to oppose this executive order? >> well, i think the first thing to do is to bring a resolution of disapproval to the floor of the house of representatives. pass that. that stipulates that things that he has done and our rejection to it. we have done that when the supreme court we want outside of what we believe are the bounds of the constitution. kilo case comes to mind for that. second thing is that we have an opportunity to bring a resolution of sen sure t censurl the president on the carpet and censure him from the house of representatives. that has happened several times to presidents it's been a long time since we utilized that. third thing to shut off the funding necessary to implement or enforce his lawless acts. by the way, i don't think it's getting very heated when you say the president is accounting in

an uan uncontusion the lawless action and it's not the only time he vie lighted the constitution. >> talk about your proposal and what you think that you can do? what exactly can congress do to did he funds anything that really would have an effect on what he's doing? citizenship and immigration services by fees, not congress. and i am sure you don't want to did he fund ice because that, of course, is -- border security depends on those agents. >> you see my smiling a little bit. because i have seen this argument emerge from the white house over the last two or three days that says it's a fee for service that usc is u.s. citizen immigration service and takes a change in an authorization bill and not an prop raises bill. that's a red herring flight floated out by people that want do the omnibus bill. can you really imagine the president of the united states

can violate the constitution, take legislative authority onto himself, and that congress is powerless to cut off the funding for that? i mean, congress shut off the fund for this vietnam war and ended a war in doing that. i brought the legislation that cut off the funding to implement or force obama care. we went through this argument. but it's an internal rule in the house that isn't even written. so could we think that the house has a tradition that prevents us from defending the constitution when the president violates it? that's not going to hold. we can shut off the funding. i have already written the language and i have it in my -- right here next me in my jacket pocket. >> i know you have said impeachment is a last resort. but a lot the republicans has made noises about impeach: is anyone seriously considering that? >> i am sure it's seriously considered . and i am speaking of the carve seven tiffs that i know the best most want to start with the

minimum and ramp up to we must dent the contusion. cutting off funneling is next. the american people have to also rise up. we will need to hear from the american people if not there won't be the energy in this congress to get this thing done. and we have done, though, a continuing resolution until december 11th. that means that we have to make a decision on this by december 11th. from where i now stands i will not be able to vote for any appropriations bill -- >> are you talking about shutting down the government? [speaking at the same time] >> lawless act on part of the president think i am talking about cutting out the funding used to implement this. this is not an emergency, this is the president deciding to legislate by executive edict. he has violated his oath to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. now the 535 of us in the house and senate are obligated to follow our oath and put the president back in constitutional guardrails. >> let's talk about the republican party. it claims that it stands for

family values. the president's h executive is keeping families together. people who pay for their work permits and all these things that are being required in order to be able to work in this country. shouldn't that be something that philosophically that republicans should support? >> of course we support families and we support a man and a woman joined together, hopefully in holy mat moan and i blessed by children all of us are the beneficiaries of the good decisions made by our parents and also sometimes the victims of bad decisions made by our parents. we don't drew a line and put somebody in prison for a serious crime because they have children at home. and if the families are separated it's because of the decisions made by the families and the parents themselves. we didn't put a sign up at the boarder and said come in to america and you to get live here in perpetuity. instead we punt a sign saying if you illegally cross the border you are committing a crime and

we'll pin you for that crime instead the president said he would not enforce that law. >> the republicans have to wore bit latino vote. something you probably don't have to worry about much in your iowa district. it could be decisive on a national basis in future presidential elections and this is clear history that latinos have turned against candidates that have taken tough position on his people that have come here illegally. are you concerned if you react too aggressively it could damage the gop's chances to win the white house? >> i have some counties in my district that are very high in minority percentages and numbers. it's not that i am not sensitive to this. and i recognize also that we have latino families that moms and dads and grandparents and grandchildren love their kids, they are good families, they work hard and i encourage them also to continues to work smart and hard. but we should not be doing identity politics and bending and twisting and tearing the constitution asunder because we

are worried about those vulnerabilities when you take an oath to uphold the contusion you don't have a caveat in there that says unless it happens to hurt me politically or not an advantage to me. you have must defend your oath and the contusion come what may. >> congressman steve king it is good of you to join us to bring us your perspective. thank you very much. let's bring in michael shore from los angeles and joining us here from new york is republican strategy tom doherty. a former senior adviser to new york governor pa tack i it's good to have you both as usual. despite what we heard the congressman say, guys, the rhetoric has been receipt heat odd both sides. the democrats are saying -- comparing this to the new emancipation problem nation, the republicans talking the impeachment and an aircraft and violence in the street. even tomko burn who is not police a sober guy. >> has a good relationship with the president and he's talking about rioting in the streets.

look, this is no one is going to look at the facts of the situation it's just the rhetoric of how dare he do this. it's sad that as an american americans lost tonight. i am talking about americans that i believe illegally came from nba to this country many years ago and have american kids in this country who shouldn't have to live in fear that they are going to be shipped home away from their children. they did wrong. we are not granting them citizenship n a lot of cases a lot of republicans like myself want immigration reform. all we saw tonight was the president thumb his nose at a system that quite frankly he hasn't put a lot of time and effort in to negotiating ideal. >> michael, your reaction to that? and to the democrats' comments making it seem like it's this grants moment comparing the froze abraham link none. >> i don't know that we can go that far. there is -- i would never compare anything that had do

with slavery with coming over here in many cases illegally and not yet having citizenship. i think that's going a little bit far. however, you know, i think tommy is not right when he talks about this being, you know, thumbing the nose at the american people. the president, to his, you know, -- as is in the record had a senate bill that went to the house of representative, i think that in some sense if he thinks the president has thumbed his nose at the country so too has john boehner over the past year and a half when they had a bill sitting in the house of representatives. but that doesn't matter. the point that tommy makes that's true, is this isn't about the micro, this isn't only about the legislation, this is about the macro. this is about the political reality of a president coming in taking sort of, you know, political ownership of a group of people while at the same time -- >> okay, let's bring in tom on that. >> yeah. >> is this all about politicss? democrats making during. >> of course it is. >> that they solidify their

gains with latinos? >> of course it is. if that weren't the case they had made a bad political calculation going back to the elections. why did they wait until after the elections. clearly their fear is we can do the not do this before the election because we are going to motivate, look , factually on one side people agree with the policy. they nationally disagree in the manner in which he's doing it. which goes back to the way the president runs the country i. >> 57% of americans on one pole within poll take they want reform but not the president doing it by himself could this alien white voters already friending way from the democrats? >> you know, democrats have found their own ways to alienate white voters if you want to make white voters a group, overtime. but they are making up with it for other voters. another good point by tom is talking about should he have done this before the election.

i thought so, in analyzing it that night it wasn't a good move on the part of the president. now immaterial thinking, wait a second, now he's hamstringing the next congress, they won't be able to move forward on some legislation that they wanted to do immediately. strong do with taxing action, having to do with infrastructure and now they have to deal with this immaterial games bill. it will distract that congress, so politically it may be a good point. let's not just be skeptical here. this is about pimas tommy said at the beginning. this abouts people who are here, who are, you know , living in fear, living in the shadows as the president put it. it is about people not just politics. >> certainly. this is about people. let's stay to the politics. republicans have jump on the power that theying the president

doesn't have. >> i taught constitutional law for 10 years, i take the constitutional very seriously, the biggest problems that we are facing right now have do with george bush trying to bring more and more power no the executive branch and not going through congress at all. and that's what i intent to reverse when i am president of the united states of america. >> so the president there sound the like congressman king whom we just had on. so isn't this more than a standard politician flip-flop? >> it's a longer conversation when you talk about presidential power, a lot of democrats, when he was a senator running for president then talks about the way that the the way there has been over reach . he's the president and things change when you become the president -- >> but he kept saying it after he was

president . >> that's the point, you have a hard time, there are at least 40 video clips that i have seen in the last 24 hours where he said time and time again i don't run a monarchy i cannot do it myself. >> tommy, tommy, tommy, if he ran a monarchy and he was the king of america, do you think that end have just done what he did tonight? no, this was still a compromise. >> what i said is the president said he didn't run a monarch. >> i. [speaking at the same time] >> but there are people out there saying he's been imperial and monarchy right now. >> those are people just inflaming the night. i don't want to part of that. they are looking for their own political game. we need to solve the immigration problem in america. we shouldn't have the president of the united states for the last three years going onto speech after speech saying i don't have the power do this and then turn around and say i have the power to do it. [speaking at the same time] >> there was a bill sitting in congress. at a certain point that is exasperation and people need something to happen.

stopgap. this is a three-year michigan. congress can come in a new president can come in in two years and throw it out. this is the law o -- is not the law of the land. >> i hope congress sits down and gets a piece of legislation done. that's really my hope. could you imagine -- >> do you think that's realistic? >> no. buff could you imagine in two years a republican president who just comes in and overturns the he can executive order? the chaos of that. that would be horrible. >> then i come -- then you will realize the political power of what happened tonight. you will lose a swath of americans at that point who you had and that would be -- that would be unfortunate for both parties. >> what about the argument that presidents reagan and bush 41 both used executive orders. >> here is the difference they don't talk about. in those two instances they really were fixing loopholes where you had a -- the legislature was in agreement with what the president was doing. so it was really a technicalities by executive orders that went in to fix.

in this case you have a whole legislature that hasn't act odd it, wrongly so i will admit. so it's a much different situation. >> michael, how do you see this playing out? we already have some republican governors saying they are going sue to invalidate this. >> i think governors have more power than the federal government does, because governments can take, you know, parcels of education, and they can play with this law a little bit differently than the congress can. one thing the people have been talking about in recent days is the funding for it. they are going to hold it hostage by not putting a spending bill in. this would be governed by the u.s. customs and immigration service which doesn't get any money -- >> just talked to congressman king who argued that they could do something about that. >> you know, he would have to attach that to a spending bill. congressman king, and he knows more about the way the legislature works than i do, but everything that i have read and the people that i have talked to over the past few days have said that it will be very difficult. almost impossible to get any spending bill passed if they are

going to be putting attaching those riders onto spending bills. >> we want to give tom a final word. what about impeachment? what about government shutdown? do you think the republicans will push that. >> no, no, no, no, no. if they do they are crazy. let's stay focused here we just had a huge election win in november. let's not think that somehow this was solely on immigration. there are a lot of reasons republicans came out and they elected a new united states senate. why governors won, they won at the local level. you start overplaying your hands in politics that's when you get beat back, we haven't done a good job in national elects recently. they have a lot of work do. >> tom doherty, michael shore, always good to have you with us. thanks. >> thanks, guys. "consider this" will be had right back. >> friday. al jazeera america presents. >> this is it. >> oscar winner alex gibney's "edge of eighteen", thanksgiving marathon. >> oh my god! >> intense pressure. >> if i said that i'm perfectly fine, i would be lying.

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against isil. and can our military strategy

help bring peace in the broader middle east? u.s. war planes against attacked isil positions in and around the town of kobane wednesday and, kurdish fighters captured six buildings from the terrorists and seized large numbers of isil weapons and ammunition. but isil threats to strike back may have been realized which at least five victims were killed in a suicide car bombing in the kurdish capital of erbil. for more i am joined from boston by andrew, a fellow at columbia university. a pr professor of history of international relations at boston university. he served for 23 years in the army retiring as a colonel. he's also author of several books and currently writing a history of america's involvement in the middle east. well pleasure to have you back on the show, certainly. you wrote a blistering column in the l.a. times saying our campaign against isil which the pentagon calls operation inherent resolve. can would better be called operation half hearted effort.

but you have been an outspoken critic of the broader eye back war so what should we be doing? >> i am not only a critic of the broader iraq war, but a critic of the u.s. military he wants prize. that has been unfolding in the greater middle east for the past three plus decades. my own sense is that even if u.s. officials won't acknowledge the fact, our purposes really torah tempt to impose our will, to mold, to shape, to dominate, the core of the islamic world . it hasn't worked it's not going to work and indeed the rise of isil, the islamic skate, in the wake of the failed iraq war, is simply one more piece of evidence suggesting the extent of our failure. >> i guess that is the question. and i bring up also a column that tom friedman wrote in the new york times it, he said we have tried everything, we have

tried decapitation without invasion on in libya. he said we have tried abdication in syria. we have tried all-out invasion in iraq. we tried democrat saying in egypt . what can be our strategy in this area? >> that litany of efforts shares one thing in common. and what it shares is common is the notion that it is within the power of the united states to fix, i put that term in notes, "to fix." the middle east. and it is not within our power to address the problems problems problems roiling that part of the world. the beginning of wisdom is to acknowledge the limits of american power. and you say what is the strategy? the strategy from a somewhat narrow american perspective, has

to be to erect effect of tiff defenses so that the united states is not going to be subjected to violence coming from the greater middle east, we have a better chance of success if tremendous wei try to defend ourselves than if we insist upon projecting american power with expect expectations that we are going to change iraq. or change afghanistan. >> and you addressed all this in an earlier piece. where you very powellly talked part of the world that is political problems, social alienation also the issues of the arbitrary borders that go back to the early 20th century, but then to what you are saying now, okay, we understand that there are all these problems there . we can't really change much. do you really think eight

layingsism would isolationismwould protect the wl saying? >> i think it's very important not to exaggerate the threat. nor should we privilege trivial ice trivialize the theft. isil has no air force, no may have, i they have 20 to 30,000 fighters. let us concede the fighters are well motivated. their vicious killers. they are not insignificant. but the negotiation that isil poses a threat to the united states strikes me as, you know, verging on his tear hysteria. isil does pose a throat nations in that region. and one of the things that we should do, the united states should do is to promote an

awareness of that threat to those countries and, to promote the notion that those countries, i am talking about iran, and saudi arabia, and egypt and turkey, that those countries need to step up to the plate and deal with the threat that threatens them far more than it threatens us. they need to be responsible for their own future. and in some respects, to the extent that we are ever going to see an end to the conflict that is roiling the greater middle east it will be because people and nations in that region assume responsibility for themselves. in some respect the american project really is an extension of the old european colonial project based on the assumption that outsiders know what is best for people who live there. >> right. you have criticized the obama administration for using what you call a whack-a-whole strategy pretty much haphazardly respond to go threats as they

arise. you also accuse the u.s. the fighting on the cheap. that we have been not investing what we need to invest in order to deal with the threats. the kurds are saying that they haven't been getting the weapons they need to be able to fight isil. so cheapness not a recipe for success and we are not even doing what you are saying, we are not even enabling the people in that area to fight this war for themselves? >> cheapness is never a recipe for success when it comes to war. war is fraught with uncertainty and risk. and it seems to me that it's almost always preferable to er on the side o ron the side of making too great after effort than too small of an effort. if you think back to the wake the 9/11 and president george w. bush announcing that the you want were engaged in a global war on terrorism. those are big words. global war.

he said this war would last a very long, long time and, yet, the united states made no effort to mobilize, to increase available military resources for this undertaking. and we are seeing the same thing on the part of the obama administration with respect to isil. that this relatively small scale air campaign, relatively small number of trainers and advisers on the ground, hoping against hope that somehow or other this modest intervention is going to produce success. maybe it will. i doubt it. and it seems to meal that, you know, if you want to fight a war, then you need to go in big. my personal view, again to emphasize, is i think that the larger war, the effort to bring order to the greater middle east, is simply not winnable. but for those people who do believe that it's winnable, who believe that it's necessary, well, they need to recognize that the united states is going

to have to undertake a vastly larger effort than it has shown a willingness to do thus far of. >> always a pleasure to have you with us, a lot of thought-provoking things in the article that his you have written recently recently and is conversation. good city you, thank you. we'll be back with more of "consider this." >> a remarkable quest that sparked imaginations and created history over 700 years ago, marco polo left venice to points unknown and mysterious relive this epic odyssey people encountered, discoveries made... and now... questions answered... al jazeera america presents marco polo a very modern journey

turning now to space, ever since neil armstrong made his giant leap for man kind, nas has been the world's undisputed leader.

after the moon nasa was the first to successful i fly by, orbit and land on mars, but these breath take photos of the lander touching down on a comet reminds us that it was the european space agency that won the most recent race and we are currently hitchhiking rides to the space station with the russians is owe is nasa following behind. joining is is michael who writes about space and science for time and national geographic magazines and dave brody science and technology write fore space.com. good to have you here, guys. there is crowing out of the europe about the european space agency managing this marvel of landing on that comet. >> right. >> is that an indication that we are falling behind? that they have somehow that they have leaped ahead. >> i wouldn't go that far. they haven't leaped ahead but they are neck in neck with us. we have some big missions coming up but we are no longer the only game in town when it comes to space. >> do you agree, dave?

we have no unmanned flight anymore. the former nasa administrator michael griffin says that we are held hostage by the russians when it comes to getting the to the international space saying. >> i suppose some of that is true, i don't know if the situation is quite as bad as we make out. first of all all scan garage layings to his the europeans for that spectacular mission. there was nasa participation in that mission as well. so it's -- to me it's a species, thing, you know, i think it makes sense to attack this as humanity not necessarily individual nations. >> that is the irony, nasa really not only participated it really was originally a nasa project, but it was the funding cuts for nasa that led to the european space agency taking it over. >> that's partially true. it was a mission called grant the comet rendezvous fly by mission that the u.s. backed out of. it's not the first time or the last time that the united states has done that to the europeans if there is a lesson to be learned here, it's lets respect the folks across the pond because they can do space and do it well.

>> it's not just the folks across the pond we are seeing serious competition from china, india. space programs now around the world. >> right. right. lots and lots of countries now are intending to go in to space and trying to do it. and increasely we stil increasinglyo it. they have a long ways to go to catch up to us and the europeans. but there is no reason that some of them can't. >> and they are doing it more cheap life. one o a of the amazing things i read is china get this is craft to orbit mars and did it for less than it costs hollywood to produce the movie gravity. india, i am sorry. >> india. i misspoke. >> just like china it's a low cost place that has a lot of very smart people, very well trained people who are increasingly able to do these things. >> so what we are doing in the united states is we are hands ago lost this over to private industry. is that a good idea? >> depends on what it is that you are talking about. like in an orchestra, right, you need the right instrument to play right voice. you don't a ask the piccolo player to play the tuba part.

so clearly for cargo and even personnel two to and from the space station that's absolutely something the private sector can do and has been engaged by nas to do. when you are talking about maintaining a national reconnaissance satellite, that's an entirely disk proposition. >> but nas did so much . it was such a glory of american technology, why if it was so successful so long should we happened it over to private industry? >> it cost a huge amount of money. and congress is reluctant to spend the money. and that's a fact of life. >> when it does spend it, if i may interrupt. >> yes. >> it tends to tell where nasa to spends the money last time i checked congress is not pop lighted by scientists or physicists they are good folks but not trained in science. >> private industry can be much more nibble. >> it is and it doesn't have to worry about making sure that a bunch of influential congressional districts each get a piece of a project.

>> which is exactly what is happening now. and you can see this in the space launch system that nasa has been tasked with developing. it's a big rocket. i am not against having a heavy-lift launch vehicle. but is that the best and most cost effective way to do space. some of the community refer to it as the sen lat lawn of vehicle because nasa has been told what to build. >> and can competition make it cheaper? >> competition can make things cheaper. leads to greater innovation. the modern aviation industry is a private is industry, if you try imagine that the government ran all of our i've eighth and airlines it might not run so well. >> you would have six or eight government employees going to explore air three or four times eye we're ana year and that's ad have. >> we saw what happened to the orbital science rocket that crashed soon after take off and what has now happened with virgin gallik tick.

galactic. so are you concerned about what private companies do "consider this" do. >> yes, but it leads to the better off we will all do it. >> nobody remembers or talks about the fact that jet fighters are flown initially by test pilots, and they have been all along the way. and those pilots sometimes die in crashes and it's just not publicized. that's the difference. the idea that we can go to space without casualties in that very dangerous and complicated environment, it's just not realistic. but we have kind of been led to believe that somehow it can be done. it's just not possible. and we are never going to make any progress. >> we should say that nasa has had its problems too. it is just with the -- it's had issues with telescopes, with how it's dealt, criticize today how poorly it's done in the as tried identification project that they have. >> guess what, space is difficult.

and, yes, whatever bureaucracy is involved there are chances of that happening. people look at tiny pieces of the issue. we tends to do third smaller groups which is what the private industry it trying to do. >> on the other hand, is it important to have nasa there for those big, big projects? to focus on the great, next leap to get us to mars, humans to mars or figure out how to stop an as ter oiled tha asteroid that might threaten the earth? >> yes like the hubble space telescope. it would have been hard to fund that with private industry there is no peel profit in it. so big science, as tried landings, and the new horizons mission that will be reaching pluto in july, those are the kind of things that nasa at least those oversee. >> the nasa program has been tremendously inspiration follow people. do you think that this new environment will be similarly inspirational? >> even more so. because let's look at the population that is going to be

funding these things, they are the millennials, they grew up with the paradigm of the successful, independent computer aan trip more and end teel tell communications an trip more. they are about this idea of high network individual can realize his or her vision and get somewhere in the universe. >> do you agree? >> i do. in fact if you look at a tech billionaire now going in to space. >> richard branson also a billionaire, but not a tech guy. >> jeff beesos the same. >> let's hope it works only for the american space program and it's a pleasure to have you both here. good to have you here. >> thank you. "consider this" will be right back. >> native families divided by foster care >> anytime they see a social worker, the immediate response is.... they're here to take my kids >> defending kids... >> they didn't protect my children, they traumatized them >> or destroying cultures >> this is about as adversarial as it gets... >> fault lines, al jazeera america's

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ages, november is alzheimer's awareness month, to discuss the disease we are joined by howard fillet founding director and chief science officers of the drug discovery foundation, howard really a flesh you to have you with us. >> thank you. >> one in nine have it, one in three at age 85. this could been an even more terrible burden on the country and families as baby boomers age age. have we made progress? >> we have made enormous progress when i went to medical school, i started in 1970. throughout the even tire i was there i never heard the world al hypers disease, it was discovered in 1970. when some doctors discovered that people who were dieing who were senile which was thought to be an old part. aging had the disease that alzheimer's described in 1906. so throughout the '70s nothing was done. research didn't start really until the

1980s . we have come a long way in a long time. >> i read an article saying there is no cure, we really can't do much to delay on set and we can't really make the symptoms better. how much can we do? >> actually, we can do a lot. i think that one thing that we have to remember is that the role of doctors and healthcare providers is to take care of people. many people debt chronic disease that his don't have cures but they need to be taken care. more than anything families and patients with alzheimer's disease need to be taken care of by competent and expert doctors because there are problems like behavior disorders and so on that need to be taken care of so people don't get too many medications. there are four basically medications approved by the fda for also mimers disease that are effective and safe. and they do work to a modest degree. we need better drugs and we need disease modifying crushes but more importantly, we have

learned enormous amount about prevention diseases in the last 20 years. >> you mentioned chronic disease, what is the relation between other chronic diseases and the on set of als alzheimer. >> hypertension and diabetes and high cholesterol and other illness that his effect the heart are risk factors for also alzheimer's disease and vascular dementia. they are very powerful. people that have hypertension and immediate it take their medication every day they need to take it not just to prevent heart attack and stroke but to prevent them from losing their minds. >> and you wrote reweren'tly that developing countries seem to have a lowering incidents of alzheimer's. so do you believe that lifestyle modifications, aside from the chronic disease that his we are talking about, can also have an

effect? >> there is no doubt about in the developing -- >> i meant developed world. >> the fact at that the developing would is rapidly aging it's a problem of the developing world as well as the developed world. in the developed world over the last three or four decades we have had a huge change in lifestyle. people not smoking as much, they are exercising so we have seen what we call changes so people who were in their secretarys 30 year 60s thirdyears didn't exercise d smokes. and they were at risk for duh mena. people in their 60s today are at lower risk and perhaps delay the on set of alzheimer's average age about 78 to 80, 82. >> that is a good thing. >> very good thing. >> one thing he read about is systemic inflammation can make a difference. people that have that chronically could also have a bigger risk of getting alzheimer's, so then, of course of course the obvious question

is should people be popping advils and aleve? because it can help but also hurt. >> that's a really great question, actually. there has been a lot of data to shug that chronic imflammatory diseases are risk factors and also what we call each dealing logical studies taking nonsteroidals like advil lower the risk. but then we went from end dome logical study to his people actually doing clinical styles of drugs lie advil and motrin in people with al hypers and they haven't works. >> with he have done a lot of clinical trials with those drawings what we immediate and what our foundation is funding is the develop of brain-specific an taye inning flam tore irrelevant drugs that work better any alzheimer's disease, because there is no doubt of that in the brain of people with al hypers, when people get pneumonia a huge amount of inflammation. all the chemicals that are released from that inflammation go to the brain and can kill blood cells.

>> and cause these problems. >> and cause these problems. >> polls a 82% of americans wants some major comprehensive effort to deal with alzheimer's disease. it costs more than $200 billion a year, families are burdened by this in tremendous ways as you know, because i know you have had to deal with it yourself . there is a talk it could reach a trillion dollars by 2050. it's massive. but the funding is not there. is this a question of ageism? >> i think it is partly ageism. it's also the delay that we had. the nih was started in 1948 and it's primary mission was to cure cancer at a time when we were spends billions of dollars on heart disease and cancer research, we spent in 1976, $625,000 on 12 research grants

for care giving. we have come a long way. but alzheimer's disease is grossly under funded. for example 20 times under funded for al hypers than hiv, aids on a per patients basis. so we really need to gear up our research of thes. >> and the whole issue of ageism. this really affects everyone. not just the person who has also hypers. it affects young people too. because of the care giving and what it does to families. it's very important to have you here. >> thank you. >> to bring attention to this. it's a real 11 you to have you here. >> thank you for having me. appreciate it. thank you very much. we'll be back with more of >> robert kennedy jr., >> american democracy is rooted in wilderness... >> his fathers lasting influence >> my father considered this part of our heritage... >> coping with tradgedy >> the enemy of any productive life is self pity... >> defending the environment >> global warming is gravest threat... >> every saturday, join us for exclusive... revealing... and surprising talks

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while some queens are content to stay in their castles, my next guest the queen of sweden has chose be a different path. in 1999, she was inspired to start a foundation dedicated to

at-risk children. it now sports 100 projects around the world, including some here in the unite u.s. and she has traveled the globe as an advocate for kids. last week she was in dubai attending the global child forum and this week she's here in new york to speak at an event at the united nations celebrating the 25th an verdicts rift uncief convention on the rights of children. joining me now from the united nations is her majesty queen sylvia of sweden. it is a real honor to you with us. >> thank you very much i am very happy to be here to celebrate the 25 years of the convention on the rights of the child. >> and you are a trained interpreter, you speak section languages so you must feel at home there at the united nations. >> yes, thank you very much. [speaking foreign language] >> there is your portuguese. i know your mom was born in brazil. now, as i mentioned you founded the world child foundation 15 years ago. what inspired you then to go

down this path as an international advocate for abused children? >> i think the whole start in 1996 when spee sweden had the first world congress on exploitation, sexual exploitation of children. so i asked myself what can i personally do to help to draw the attention to this very, very difficult issue which at that time was quite a taboo. and so that's why i tried to draw the attention it's not easy as a woman is a mother and as a queen to talk about those issues, that's true. but if we don't, who is doing it? and who is going to help the children? you have to talk about it and that's why i am so happy that after 25 years, it's really on the issue we saw all the members here now in the u.n. talking about sexual a use to protect the children about trafficking

about all these difficult issues. >> and the numbers are dramatic. it's estimated that one in five women and one in 10 men are sexually abused as children. and child abuse crosses all bounds are yous, wealthy families, low income families all ethnic backgrounds owl religions and the reality is that those abused are more likely to abuse others. so your mission is to break that cycle? >> well, . >> that's a very difficult issue, and we have to reach hands, that's why last week i went to dubai to talk about child protection and the children's rights. i must say the princess was there, she was co-pay tron with me and she made aid wonderful speech, very strong and so there were different country tr-z that region , present an and i am happy that perhaps it's opening

door s and window that his we real can i work together to save those children, it's such an awful matter. and of course one knows one has to ask how can that happen. >> and the foundation has supported hundreds of projects contributed some $80 million all over the world watch do you see as the big most problems children are facing. >> children conflict and trafficking. but also there are not many that really know about their rights. so that's something that which i really think it's so important to advocate and talk about children's rights. and you know, in brazil for instance there are truck drivers driving from the northern part of brazil to the southern part

of brazil and over 1 million truck drivers and so we started cooperate with the transport companies . and there are over 500 so together we are having seminars and workshops and i must say from this over 1 million truck drivers 83% know now about children's rights and they are protecting the children . they are our best ambassadors and really having an eye on their colleagues . so all those case have his been able to reduce by two-thirds so a really a success store. >> i a topic that we have discovered exception i feel on this show is the plight of hundreds of thousands of displaced children from the ongoing conflicts in syria and eye rook. i know there are an estimated 130,000 iraqis in syria.

i know sweden has provided humanitarian aid to iraq. how much i've focus will the children in that part of the world be for your efforts. i must say i really admire jordan who received so many refugees, over million in jordan and half of them are children. and of course, we have to do everything that we can to help those children in conflicts area, they are the first ones to suffer. and i am very proud and happy that sweden has been so generous and still is to receive so many refugees. and to give them a home and hope as well and that's important. >> a final question about sweeped. your new prime minister is also here in the united states at a time when your geographic neighborhood has gotten more dangerous with russia taking over cremia and the fighting in eastern ukraine and last week the swedish government provided

evidence that a likely russian submarine violated your is off are you illegally entering your waters. i know sweden is nonaligns but how concerned are swedes, people at home by the developments there? >> the baltic countries and of course ukraine are very quite close to sweden, of course, the swedish government is watching it very, very carefully. and of course, there are signs of stronger actions from certain governments. and so of course we are worried think. >> your majesty, it is really an honor to have you with us. i wish you the best of efforts on behalf of the world's children. and again come visit us again, i know i have a daughter in new york. come by and a hello. >> thank you very much. and it's wonderful to talk to you and all the best. >> thank you. >> audios. and that's all for now. the conversation continues on our website. aljazerra.com/considerthis.

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