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with these seven charges there were two. [ inaudible ] and the first one, the prosecution i will -- i will talk in brief. and the defend. [ inaudible ] the force commander,. [ inaudible ] on the charge of security headquarters. [ inaudible ] as well. the head of the state security, that they have taken part in the killing of the protesters and i would like to talk to you in brief without details because these defendants have confronted
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protesters in the squares, the use the force, they kill some people for the other to leave the place. this is one of the charges. the second charge for ismael sharon is on his own, why on his own? because ismael was the senior and he took directly the orders from the minister of interior and same charges. protesters. from the pert from the 25th of january, until the 31st of january 2011, why? because on the 31st habib as interior minister was replaced by another interior minister the prosecutor general has determined the.
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>> the second criminal act has the same five charges out of the seven ones the five charges were directed by the criminal court and the five charges if divideed in to. [ inaudible ] two of them were considered as one which is the second part and agreeing between the former president hosni mubarak. [ inaudible ] to ex-port gas to israel via the company of hussein salem. and another charge the damaging of the. [ inaudible ] and this was the accusation of only hosni mubarak
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and only within the cairo govern are you, two of the five as we said. the last three are induced. humane salem has given mubarak. [ inaudible ] in order to get certain pieces of lands in certain areas and hosni mubarak also had use of his influence and has accepted the how sane salem and at the same time they are send the gift and they were knowledge about the reason behind that gift.
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these are the villas from 2010 to the rate of cairo. last accusation for hosni mubarak participating and agreeing with habib. [ inaudible ] to kill the protesters in the streets. that is mentioned in the first prime case. in brief i am trying to talk to you in brief and from this introduction, i can say -- i can tell you how many can we start the project and the course of the verdict. mr. . [ inaudible ] will show you. this is the draft of the verdict according to this draft, the
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verdict is written. and mr. mohamed will show you this is the origin of the verdict. thank you. this verdict 1,430 pages, 1,430 pages this verdict has gone through these numbers of pages, that's why it is classified the verdict is classified for the researchers or even those that want to make a study they can easily go through this verdict and it has an index. it has an index and let me tell
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you, in brief, that we started definitely through the list of evidence can regard knowledge criminal are criminal number 1,227 which main list and other lists that have been examined and mentioned in the verdict and i can now safely say that the numbers of those who lost their lives and the numbers of the counted are quite clear according to the files of the case. and i would like to tell you that the court, in this regard has put 12 indexes for the killed and the injured and we will go first to those who have been killed, we have mentioned how many people lost their lives and killed in the.
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[ inaudible ] that i have mentioned. the numbers of those people that were killed in the 10 rates are 238. 238. and to be honest, there is another one who has killed in the north sinai rate, but his name was not mentioned in the order and the court has included him. so the total number of the people who were killed 239. 239 in 11 govern rates. then we made clear also that names of the children who were killed then their names of the
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wounded who lost their lives later, after the 31st of january, 2011, after the terminal of the trial and then we had a forth one that include the names of those people who killed in front of the police and public property and the 10 govern rate then it is followed by a fifth table that includes the names of those who were killed without the families being able to know where exactly they were killed. then the names of those who were killed in the squares and the 10 govern rates. again, and in brief, those who were killed in the last table
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were 36. and after that from the seventh through the 12th list within the same approach, we have put names with the same approach. so those who were wounded within the 10 govern rates were 1,588. 1,588. and we have definitely mentioned their names and from which govern rate, who are children, who are adults, and also we mention the names that of those who were wounded without a medical report to stress his injury and then we mentioned the names of those people wounded in the squares, in the squares 502.
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after those lists i am trying just to give you an impression about what we have done. the court after that mentioned that list of crimes where hosni mubarak was accused it also included injured people and killed people. and it is quite similar to what i have told you. it has included all the names exempt five names four were killed and one was injured and everything is better in the case that five of them have been killed and wounded after the 31st of january 2011. then when it comes to the reasoning, yes, we have seen the
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so-called secret testimonies, 31, and from the page 949 to the page 953 the so-called secret testimonies in front of myself and my colleagues, and this court, and we were quite interested in 19 of them because they are very important. we have put theirs from the page 1,002 to page 1,039. >> all right, if you are just joining us on al jazerra, we are watching the verdict being announced in the retrial of former egyptian president hosni mubarak, the judge still hasn't given us the actual verdict, he's going through the different accusations that mubarak faces and you know, the process to
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which -- at which he got to this decision that he's about to announce with the former president is standing trial for conspiring to murder po protests during a 2011 revolution and also standing trial for corruption in the murder case of the protesters, mubarak was tried along whiz minute steer of interior, former minute steer of entire area and in the corruption case mubarak is tried along with his two sons and hugh san salem who has been tried in absentia, salem is a crows associate the mubarak. with us in studio, does it take so long to hear this, why does it sake so long to hear this verdict? >> actually, we have heard something like that before back in 2013. the idea here is to prove to everyone listening especially
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the egyptian people that this is a very serious and methodical process that the judges are not take this is lightly and this is not just a political process it needs to be based on evidence. >> let's go back to the judge in cairo. >> translator: we were writing the verdict to use the same words from the page 1,042 to the page 1,047, we have mentioned this. inwards, this is the introduction that the court went after that to discuss the reasons that led to the belief that led to the verdict. i can say safely that the media in our country, the good media in our country, i want to say 10
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minutes after the verdict, people in the media will talk and will analyze, i know, i know no one can comment on the verdict, but they will analyze and explain, i would like to know that our people is quite aware and our people will ask the one who analyze all the guests or the one predicting or whatever, has he read the 162,000 paper? has he read the 1,430 reasoning pages? i think it's difficult to know. that's why hours later people will talk. that's why the court and personally i have made something that is not a violation to the law or a violation to the yeah
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dish aijudiciary norms and i cat some clarification with quotations from the verdict until anyone can get a copy of the verdict, that will be within hours, and the court of downtown in cairo, and i have made this and i have made it in 280 pages. this is the minimum that i have -- or i could have done in order to help my sons in the media present as guests, producers or whoever in the media because i urge them to read these 280 pages carefully before starting analyzing and talking about the verdict.
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and this idea the 280 pages are on flashes that with muhammad you can have them. the media people with me, they know that they can download these 280 pages in order for them to know and in order for the people of he just a minute tegypt to know.for those who car have this flashes, we have some cds with mr. . [ inaudible ] in order to have them. also we have a craft d for the lawyers for -- cd for the lawyers for the defendants, mr mr. mohamed.
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at the same time, we have provided cds for the prosecution general. the defendants also will be given such cds. this is what i want to say. you know that i don't like anyone to praise me or to attack me or denounce me. no voices in the court. no move in the court whether happy or whether angry. i will tell you that in 42 years of me in the judiciary, if you say, if you make things like this, the punishment will be there, one year in prison. i automatic talking to everyone now in the court. the moment i say the session has
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ended you can do anything that you want within the responsible freedom. before that know the officers in the court are very farah ware and the cameras are there working on we need not to stop the session and whoever made in move ore that voice or whatever, will be put in prison for one year. i hope now i hope not to apply this, but if you force me to apply it, i will apply it and no excuses, from now on, nothing, no voices, no moves, it's quite prohibited. after reading the two referral orders and after listening to the request of the prosecution
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general and after reviewing all the papers and after listening to the lawyers and after reading the items 15a. 17a, 1830 of the criminal law, and items 3,000 -- 304 and 384a from the criminal law, and the criminal 1,227 regarding this charges of participating in killing and there is related to the killing of protesters and the accused is habib i object ream habib. [ inaudible ]
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>> they are acquitted. they are not found guilty. go back to your place. the court -- the court -- the court has mentioned the reasons and the reasons are mentioned in 190 pages. this verdict and this rule is based on the cairo criminal law previous verdicts in nine govern rate to acquit their self. and the court has finished this part of the reasoning by saying the court is reminding everyone
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with the previous verdict when it comes to acquitting a defendant, this is not to prevent the civil court to reexamine the civil elements because the criminal court is not differentiating between the two criminal and civil cases. in the first felony there is which through and -- the -- the court has verdict for habib. [ inaudible ]
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>> you are not found guilty. sit down. the court has finished the felony 1,227 by this paragraph. you are not found guilty. please. i think you have dignity. the retrial when it comes to the 1,227 with the big responsibilities, and the burden of sadness because of those who were killed, who were about to be killed in the squares of the govern rates, people of army or people of the police, within the
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first january 2011, 25th of january 2011. to defend the gentleman la yet massey of the court the court is urging everyone to know that this ordeal has to be dealt with ignorance and enthusiasm and we need to be quite aware that we have to be aware that the court knows the good people will never be punish the by people, so the court is moving from words to action. and he is trying to clarify the sins committed by some people on earth and we ar we ask that this ordeal be turn in the it a blessing. and we ask the president of the republic to vitalize the role of the national council for taking
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care of the families of martyrs in order to give the needed protection to everyone who lost their beloved ones who are now in the paradise and to have the families of those who were injured and for who have lost parts or more on his body, in a way that enabled him to work properly, -- it's important to take care of those people. to calm down the people that will accept the judgment of allow al mighty. now deft 3,006 hound 4211.
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[ inaudible ] regarding the charges to mohamed hussein mubarak accused of taking part with. [ inaudible ] in sending gas to israel, natural gas to israel and the verdict has the becoming hosni mubarak was not found guilty. the court also in this regard mentioned in the reasoning that the court in the light of the report of the five party people given to the retrial court the court has made sure that the. [ inaudible ] emg gas only go ahead by ibrahim salem has the
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egyptian petroleum agency and the holding company for natural gases with 164,000,825 u.s. dollars, excluding the interest starting from the due date until the end of the last installment, which is the total price of the amount of the egyptian natural gas to the company from januar january 2008 to april 2012 and the court is competent that the prime minister of egypt through the proper mechanism and the follow-up activities will force this company to pay that amount the money as soon as possible to helhelp the petrol section.
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and regarding salem's five villas given to mubarak and his two sons, the court verdict in ab steabsentia and mubarak a laa mubarak. gamal mubarak, that due to the time course of this are not guilty any more than. back to your seat. the court also has concluded this part by saying that the court won't say at the end of this particular 30,642 that the
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judge has to use the text of the laws to the full meaning of the case and if not easy the judge will verdict according to the text. and the judge has also to clarify that he is going through the law and through the theory of the alla al mighty and nevertheless. not to protect anyone in corruption that's why the court within the. [ inaudible ] approach in the country we need an amendment to the last item of the 15th argue of the criminal law to add
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the third act before the third act of the second section of the criminal law in order for the judiciary to be able to control all bribes to the public servant or to anyone who is trying to make use of this. the last charge which is -- which is related to the killing of the protests and this felony, the court for mohamed hussein mubarak the verdict not to go through this should again it's mubarak, because they
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