author of the second book, which will be out on january 20th. that is our show today. and i'm ali velshi, thank you for joining us. >> hi, everyone. this is aljazeera america. i'm john seigenthaler in new york. the cia tactics and alleged bribes. why torture didn't even work. extreme measures, near drowns and death threats. secret tactics more brutal than we knew. backlash, how will the world react? and plus, hiding out. the fears of undocumented immigrants. coming out of the shadows, and

release plans. the new steps to fight california's drought. >> nearly drowning prisoners, depriving them of sleep for up to a week. keeping america safe, and it may not have done any good at all. all of this is deposited in a new report, and tonight, the world is reacting. patty has more. >> hundreds page of pains with details and evidence of what happened to men. >> the cia program was far more brutal than people were led to believe. >> up to 180 hours t. no sleep, more than a week.

enemas, not for medical reasons. and it's likely that three people were water boarded, which the cia itself described as a series of near drowns, and a series of physical, violent beats. assurances from top cia bosses the senate report says that the cia purposely lied to congress, the white house, and the public. and they lied about the program's effectiveness. >> questioning the detainees in the program has given us information that has saved innocent lives by helping us stop new attacks. >> the report says that's not true. the interrogations did not stop the plots or lead to the capture of any al qaeda operatives, like osama bin laden. the u.s. has banned the use of torture, but not permanently. >> unfortunately, it would be pretty easy for president obama or the next president to ignore the executive actions being

taken on torture. because we have seen a huge expansion of presidential authority under presidents bush and obama. >> the president has made it clear that he has no intention of revisiting his decision and prosecuting any of those involved in the program. the cia is denying the allegations. >> wanted objective conclusions it released today contain a disturbing number of factual and analytical errors. >> it seems unlikely congress will push for more details, hearing or hold people to account. and that means that the world might have a better idea of what happened to the men before they were sent to guantanamo prison, and they will not pay a price for how they were treated. >> tonight, president obama told univision that the report is a right step in the right

direction. >> this is an accounting of some of the problems that the cia program engaged in. i recognize that there are conts in some of the details, but what's not controversial, we did should things that violated who we are as a people. >> former vice president, dick cheney, spoke to the new york times on monday. and he said any conclusion that the cia misled the white house, is in his words, a crack. wilson, the former ambassador, and he was married to valerie plain, whose identity was leaked. and thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much for having me. >> what surprised you about the report today? >> well, i think that the depth

of depravity, talking about enemas and things like that, it's not only a disgrace, but it's revolting. it violates every ideal that i defended in working 25 years as a diplomat org overseas, and everything that we have stood for since the drafting of the bill of rights 200 some odd years ago. >> we heard from the report, and from michael hayden, who called it a prosecutorial brief against the men and women of the cia, a trial verdict written in be on sensia absencim didn't have the opportunity to vote. what's true and what's not?

>> i don't think that it's difficult, it's very self-serving, they're trying to put it off on cia officers, when in fact it was a failure of leadership. these guys were acting on instructions from above, including people like vice president cheney, and his chief council, david abingdon, and chief of staff, scooter libby, and the council and various cia directors, up to and including mike hayden. they were the ones who should bear the brunt of responsibility for a real failure in upholding their oath to defend the constitution of the united states. >> does this report -- >> i don't think so, one of the enduring aspects of serving

overseas, i've lived overseas for close to 50 years. people admire the united states for our willingness to confront our errors and foibles, and make good on correcting those errors when they have been made. and i would hope that the congress would act on this report and ensure that the future ban on torture doesn't depend on executive order, and is in fact written once again specifically into law. as john mccain has done in a couple of instances in the past decade. >> what's classified? your wife's identity as a cia operative was revealed by the government, which may have compromised national security. and as you said, threatened her safety. what -- how do you make judgments? >> well, the general rule of thumb in sources and methods

are always protected, so you want to protect those officers in undercover positions, and certainly not invite attention to those in open positions. but certainly, i think as a legitimate role in the united states, to provide oversight, which they have done here, and i think that they have done the country a great service in making these findings public. and the idea that somehow american diplomats and soldiers overseas might be in danger, is something that the leadership of the country should have thought about before they started these practices a decade ago. >> you and your wife warned the country that essentially, this -- that the reason that the united states in some way got involved in iraq was because of misinformation, and so now, today, how does it feel to have this report put out by the government? >> it's a very sad day for me.

to think that the leaders of the country that i served for so long failed this their basic oath to uphold the confusion of the united states in such a deappraised fashion, it's not a moment of great joy for me. it's a moment of great sadness. >> are there legitimate concerns that this report could evoke a response internationally? >> i imagine that in mike, those who bear us ill will, will probably use this as another arrow in their quiver to attack us. but we should not be -- our system of governance, our noxious should not be held hostage to a few terrorists who are going to attack us anyway.

i'm glad that it happened. >> dianne feinstein said that after this comes out, anyone who reads it some not let it happen again. will this keep torture and the likes of what we have read, ever happen again, and keep the united states from condoning those acts? >> i certainly hope today, we never condone these acts when they occur in foreign nations, and we should not when they occur under our own leadership. i still think that there's a legitimate reason to call into account for those who made these decisions for those who authorize these programs in the first place. but that's not going to happen, at least not in our system of justice. i thought that senator fienstein's comments today about right on the mark, and i thought that senator mccain's comments, he gave the best

speech of his career on the senate floor today. >> ambassador, good to see you, and thank you very much. >> thank you very much, good to see you, john. >> more now on the response. the agency said that it made mistakes and changed its policies. today, john brennon said that the interrogation tactics worked. he said that the detainees on who enhanced interrogation techniques were used did help to thwart plans and capture terrorists and save lives. they have set up a website defending the agency, cia save lives.com, said that the senate report is marred by errors, and at odds with reality. it includes the cia's full rebuttal of this report. he was a prisoner of the u.s. in afghanistan and guantanamo bay, and he talked to aljazeera today. >> the bush administration tried to say that unless it's

physical impairment, causing organ failure or beating, it's not torture, and it's unbelievable. so the fact that obama came into power, and he said we will no longer torture in guantanamo, and he said there will be immunity for people who did these crimes. you can't imagine that the president of the most powerful country in the world would say this about any other crime, that we are offering immunity for people carrying out torture. >> also calling for prosecutions, you're james bays picks up that part of the story. >> reporter: he says that there should be action, not just against those who perpetrated the crimes, but

those whoored them. he has to do this because it's important for two international treaties. the u.n. convention on torture and disappearances. here at the united nations in new york, those who have signed up for criminal court have been meeting, and some human rights activists believe that the court could get involved, following the torture report. >> in respect of states that are signatories, or actually members being signatories without being with their own statute, that could mean potentially jurisdiction for the icc if the exercises for jurisdiction were met. >> already the chief prosecutor for the international criminal court has started preliminary investigations into what went on in afghanistan. now, afghanistan, though the name is not in the reporter, it was released today because all of the names of the countries are redacted, it's believed by

most experts to be one of those countries, and it's possible, though there's likely not to be any u.s. action, there could be international action. >> much more on the story coming up at the half hour in our special, the senate report, torture in the cia. but there's other news to tell you about tonight. president obama traveled to nashville, tennessee today, trying to build support for his executive action on immigration. naturalville has one of the fastest growing immigrant populations in the country. obama encouraged the children of illegals to register for the programs. >> you can register and submit yourself to a criminal background check, pay any back tacks and commit to paying future taxes, and if you do that, you'll get a piece of paper that gives you an assurance that you can work here and live without fear of deportation. >> the president's reforms

could defer deportation for up to 5 million immigrants who are in the country illegally. >> john, i traveled to philadelphia today, where i met angela nevaro. she was just 16 when she made the perilous journey to the u.s. across the mexican border and across the rio grande on an intertube. and she was seven months pregnant. she's just the kind of person that president obama was thinking about. she has been working and living here illegally for ten years, and she has two children who are american citizens. the family should be celebrating, and instead, they're hiding in plain sight, making the difficult decision to seek sanctuary in a philadelphia church. in the beginning, yes. i imagined all of the things that i couldn't do.

work, church choir and going out with the family, but there's a possibility that my situation will be fixed. >> angela has been living under a deportation order for a decade, fearful that ice would find her and send her back to her native honduras. >> we all live with the same fear. me, my mother and other families have moved multiple time because of immigration. they have taken my uncle and cousins, and we always have to move because they always come to my mother's house, and it's terrible. >> the father knows them well. >> angela is a wonderful mother, warm and caring. >> now she cares for her family in a former church playroom, converted to a makeshift home. the kids sleep behind a partition. angela and her new husband, an american it citizen, have their own bedroom, and the family uses the church kitchen. they're being held by the ministry, the presbyterian

church that she somehow calls home. >> you're condoning breaking the law, aren't you. >> . >> yeah. >> why is that okay. >> well, for us as people of faith, when a law violates our moral values, i feel we're called to challenge that law. so in this case, when we have a law that's separating families, criminalizing people -- >> angela moved into the church just days before president obama announced his immigration fix. worried about the deportation order hanging over her head. the leaders we spoke to believe that angela will be eligible for release, but even so, it will be only temporary unless congress acts. >> do you have a message for congress? >> get your act together. you're elected to make these complicated decisions. >> for the kids, it's simple.

>> we need her very much. and if she leaves, i'll be thinking that who's going to take care of us? >> i hope that they set it. >> until that happens, angela sees her children off to school from the doorway. she's afraid to leave the confines of the church. angela's immigration attorney told us that she has filed a request of the deportation ordering lifted. and she has filed a marriage petition, because she's married to a u.s. citizen, hoping that this will be the first step toward status. they said that she should qualify for in relief under president obama's action, and that would give her the breathing room to let these other procedures play out. >> lisa stark, thank you. in ferguson, missouri tonight, the city council meeting for the first time since the grand jury decision not to indict officer darren

wilson in the shooting death of michael brown. jonathan talked to the mayor. >> reporter: good evening, john. the city council meeting is just getting started, and every seat is full. we did speak to the mayor as you mentioned, and he reiterated that darren wilson is no longer an employee of the city and no longer with the police force, but people still have concerns about the overall image of the city and some of the things moving forward. specifically some of the business owners who feel that they have not gotten enough attention and been responded to. we were out where a lot of the businesses have sustained a lot of the damage, and some of the gins owners have been able to open back up and get back to normal. others are still closed, saying that they lost 80, $90,000 in revenue over the last month organization. the mayor has received

criticism. but it's too early to know if the businesses will be eligible for state or federal help. >> i don't think that it's a fair criticism to know in they have been reached out to. the city doesn't have resources, and we're not just handing money out as we knock on doors. and i can understand people's frustration. if you're not able to open. and you are continuing to pay bills, if you were out there, and your clientele is down, but you're still paying people to run the store, you need some help. >> the mayor said that what they're doing is looking at the county assessor to see if they can lower the property taxes for some of the businesses, the payments are due, and some of the folks don't know if they will be able to afford t. all things considered. john? >> all right, jonathan martin, thank you, and coming up on this broadcast, bone dry in california.

how one town is surviving with out water, despite the recent rain. and plus, worse than thought, torture in the cia, our special report is coming up next.

>> lawyer makers are considering a plan to help victims in the drought in california. diverting water from the rivers in the north to the san joaquin valley. one of the first to report on wells running dry in the valley, the problem was so bad that even a series of rain won't help. jennifer london has a an update from quarterville, california. >> drive down any street in porterville, california, and it's as if the rain didn't happen. frontyards are dusty and the river bed is dry, and yolanda's

well has no water. >> what are we going to do without water? we have to bathe, we have to use the toilet, we have to wash dishes. >> you have to have water to drink. >> what happens when you turn the tap? >> close to 4,000 people, half of the population, are living the unimaginable. the taps are dry and have been for months. >> we are missing rain for three years. >> the office of emergency services said that the drought is so severe that one rainstorm or even a series of rainstorms won't do much to help. here's why. >> we'll have to have 150% years for two or three years in a row before we have the reestablishment of our ground water. >> yolanda and her family rely on water from this 300-gallon tank. the county fills it up twice a week. it's connected to her sink, so she can wash dishes. and still, they're forced to

ration and bathe from a bucket to deserve. >> did you ever think you would have this? >> no, though i used to live like this in mexico, i never thought that we were going to live again this right now. >> with winter approaching, county officials are worried about people taking cold water bucket showers. the solution, 20 mobile showers. you can see the showers installed with hot running water, and they have a changing area, and if you come down the steps, they have set up a sink area so people can come brush their teeth. and they have a mirror set up for shaving, and there's running hot water here. don't think that just because this is california, that it doesn't get cold here in the winter. >> oh, my god, should i just say, come live here with me and live it with me? you won't last. well, people won't last a day with what we're living right now.

>> next fall, to end the drought, the residents of porterville are settling in for a long dry winter, even if more winter is on the way. jennifer london, east porterville, california. >> some of that rain is about to fall, maybe too much at once. flooding and mudslides are possible up and down the west coast. and rebecca stevenson is here with that story. >> we're so used to seeing a series of storms coming from the west. but what we're not used to seeing, the storms getting progressively more dangerous as they hit. the first today brought record rain into washington state. and all of the west coast have had record high temperatures for this last week. as we look at southern california specifically, the concerns really come in. not just with tomorrow's storm, but with thursday's storm. 3 and a half inches of rainfall around san francisco, with winds gusting up to 60 miles per hour in the city. in fact, we look at the amount

of rainfall that we have the potential for on thursday, that's after the second one tomorrow. we could see in general on average, 3 and a half inches, but it looks like over 5. and sacramento, they could get up to 5 inches of rainfall. and we have a storm in the scera nevadas, and now the potential for a major wind storm striking the west coast, from northern california all the way to british columbia. >> foretour in the cia, the damning report on the interrogation techniques. more brutal and widespread than believed. and speaking from experience and the heart, john mccain on america's values in our special report, the senate report, torture in the cia.

>> the cia program was far more brutal than people were led to believe.

>> worse than we knew. the brutal tactics and alleged lies by the cia after the attacks of 9/11. the near drowning, the broken limbs, and the broken trust. >> some of these practices amed to torture. >> was anything gained? >> the cia's detention and interrogation program was effective. >> the world reacts, and america debates. our special coverage, the senate report, torture and the cia. hi, everyone, i'm john seigenthaler. the findings are disturbing, a new report on interrogation tactics used by the cia in the name of protecting america, and with the report, there are new fears that revealing the truth could put the u.s. in more danger. we begin our in-depth coverage with jamie mcintyre in washington. >> reporter: john, the cia said that when it began questioning terror suspects in

the wake of 9/11, it began with the least coercive methods, and escalating to the more coercive methods, only as necessary. but the cia interrogators quickly were enamored of harsh techniques, and they were not that effective. used on the most high value targets. >> they were depraved of sleep for days, in one case, 180 hours, that's 7 and a half days, over a week with no sleep, usually standing or in stress positions. at times with their hands tied together over their heads, chained to the ceiling. >> kalid shaikh mohammed, the accused mastermind of the september 11th attacks.

his water boarding sessions deinvolved into a series of near drowns, and he was also slapped in the face and body, forced to stand in sleep for hours, and forced to rectal rehydration as a means to behavior control. and then the cia's first detainee after september 11t september 11th, he was water boarded more than 80 times. the report describes that water boarding as physically harmful, inducing convulsions and vomiting, and at times, he became completely unresponsive with bubbles rising in his open full mouth. a special agent has told aljazeera what the senate committee confirms, that al zub aida did not give up negative. >> to identify terrorists, i

believe that we did it way before water boarding, and without the use of it. >> the similar treatment for at least five detainees. subjected to rectal hydration or feeding, some forced to endure water baths, and told they would be killed. one was told he would sexually abuse the mother of another. >> so it comes down to two questions. and the u.s. resort to torture. and the report comes down to, yes, it did. and the second question, did it make the u.s. any safer? on that count, the report comes down on the side of, no, it didern. >> jamie mcintyre reporting. there's tough criticism tonight of the tactics and the report. and our coverage continues with libby casey on capitol hill.

>> reporter: john, senate democrats from the intelligence committee, led by chairman, dianne feinstein, wanted to release this explosive report before they give up control to republicans in just a few short weeks. democratic staffers on the senate intelligence committee, the report seas that the cia's enhanced interrogation techniques were not effective, but they misled the policymakers about the program's effectiveness. the management was inadequate and deeply flawed. and they were far more brutal than the cia admitted. those techniques used in the bush administration and called torture by president obama and other critics. the cia defended it's history, saying our review indicates that the interrogations on whom the interrogation techniques were used did produce intelligence to 24 wart plans,

and capture terrorists and save lives. president obama closed down the program when he came into office, and said that these techniques did significant damage to america and the world and made it harder to pursue our interests with allies and partners. administration officials said that they have spent months preparing for the threats that might come into reaction with the report and putting military bases on alert. criticizing the timing. >> what it does for the u.s. government, it endangers every one of our people overseas, and every embassy flying an american flag. as several of my colleagues have just pointed out, endanger the working relationship we have had with a variety of different countries, and trying to deal with intelligence gathering. in short, it was a big step in the wrong direction. >> but senator john mccain, a survivor of torture in the

vietnam war, split with the members of his party and supported the report's release. >> i've often said, and i will always maintain that this question is not about our enemies. it's about us. it's about who we were, who we are, and who we aspire to be. it's about how we represent ourselves to the world. >> congress has no legislations planned in response to the report's findings, but it's authorize say detailing action, taken on behalf of the u.s. government, is a step forward. john, tonight the fbi is warning state and local police across the country about possible threats from homegrown extremist. now, they say there's no specific threat fox, but they are still urging vigilance. john? >> libby, thank you very much. and i understand what led the u.s. government to torture, we need to consider how shaken this country was after the attacks. >> in the aftermath of

september 11th, the country was under tremendous pressure to respond t. five days ago, as a matter of fact. and dick cheney said that the u.s. will have to work on the dark side. and now the world knows how dark things quickly became. >became. six days after the september 11th attacks, with the united states and the world still reeling, president bush gave the cia the authority to capture, detain and interrogate al qaeda operatives anywhere in the world. and the very next day, further stoking a feeling of fear in the united states, anthrax began arriving at major news organizes, and the offices of two democratic senators. five people were killed. 17 more infected.

by early october, u.s. forces were in afghanistan, where al qaeda's to leaders, including osama bin laden, were believed to be hiding, sheltered by the taliban. the sense of a nice under siege would further intensify in september, when al qaeda operative, richard reed, tried to blow up the plane with explosives packed into his shoes. in early 2002, president bush signed an executive order, saying that part of the geneva convention with torture did not apply to al qaeda or dane's, by then, the cia was holding or torturing suspected al qaeda operatives. they were hid anyone prisons around the world, known as black sites. after the invasion of iraq, the cia interrogated prisoners in

abu grave. revealing a chamber of horrors, and shocking conduct by u.s. troops, contractors and intelligence agents. in september 2006, president obama revealed the existence of the cia's enhanced interrogation program in a speech to the nation. he said that the program had disrupted further attacks, and had saved lives. he said that the program was legal, and it must continue. and he also said -- >> i want to be absolutely clear with our people and the world, the united states does not torture. it's against our laws and our values, and i have not authorized it. and i will not authorize it. >> during his campaign, then senator barack obama, insisted that nobody is above the law, and as president, his administration would investigate questions about torture, but in 2009, president obama took a major step toward granting immunity to all government officials who might have been involved in torture. in a statement, he said this is

a time for reflection and not retribution. but with the world already believing -- >> we tortured some folks. >> one of the tactics in the report, something that we have all heard a lot about, water boarding, and it's not known how many people were water boarded but it is known that in the past, the u.s. strongly condemned it. after world war ii, japanese soldiers convicted ever water boarder were charged with war crimes. >> a fellow at the truman national security, with the department of defense, and jim, what's torture? what's the definition of torture, and did the u.s. torture people? >> the united states certainly did torture people. it's exacting a physical toll on someone beyond what could be

otherwise construed as the normal. >> we heard the president of the united states, george w. bush saying that the u.s. does not torture, and there are plenty of people on the town where you are tonight saying the exact same thing. i pose this question to you, and how do the american people understand what the truth is here? >> the truth is clear, torture is unquivably wrong, and to say that they save lives have to listen to the counter argument. they don't acknowledge that regular interrogation techniques, those deposited in the army field manual are effective, and as a matter of fact, they're more effective than torture. torture incentivizes detainees not to necessarily tell the truth, but it incentivizes them to stop the pain. so they start talking.

whereas traditional techniques build trust between the danor and the detention and interrogatiodetainee.so had regn used, that would have elicited information that would have saved lives over time, but those techniques were not given the chance to be successful. >> there's been a lot of talk about putting americans at risk with this report. and does this in fact put americans at risk, or does the torture put american lives at risk? >> there's always the possibility that information that is critically harsh against the united states government does risk inciting some anger in certain quarters around the world. but as senator fienstein, and senator mccain and president

obama have all said, the existence of this enhanced interrogation, torture interrogation program, also degrades the value of what we are as a country, which diminishes our standing amongst our allies and makes it harder to achieve our aims around the world. the united states is supposed to stand for all of these wolf things. freedom of expression and equality. and like john mccain said, it's about us. when we torture detainees, which contributes our values, it makes our foreign policy aims quite frankly more difficult to achieve. >> president bush yesterday called the members of the cia patriots, and those talked about in the report patriots, so what do your colleagues say about this tonight? >> well, certainly, anybody who

works in the intelligence community is a patriot. they love their country and they want to do right by it, and keep it safe. that's beyond reproach. i know what senator fienstein said in the forward of this report, look, context senior important. in this situation, we had a heightened swarm situation, and a tragic terrorist attack that killed 3,000 americans, and those in intelligence wanted to prevent another. she offered that as not excuse, but in context, and yes, the people in the tremendous community wanted to do everything to prevent another attack. so the existence of this report is not to scold those working in the national security arena, but look, with the benefit of hind sight, here's something that we did that was wrong, and we deserve to reflect on that and make sure that we can correct it so it never happens again in the future. >> jim, thank you for joining us tonight. and still to come, security

concerns, american troops on alert. how the international community is reacting to this senate report.

>> this has been used to incite unrest and even attacks against service members. overseas and our international partners. >> republican senator, saxby chambliss, criticizing the report today. military on heightened alert overseas, and there's diplomatic reaction from around the world. james bays is at the united

nations with more. >> the raconteur for counter terrorism and human rights, bennamison, said that those who perpetrated crimes should be brought to justice, and so should those who ordered them. the u.s. has a duty because it signed two treat easement the u.n. convention on torture, and the convention on forced disappearances. here at the united nations, the countries who signed up for the international court meeting, human rights activists, say that it should be possible for the court to look at these cases. the chief prosecutor of the court has started a preliminary investigation into interrogation into afghanistan. a number of countries in the report are listed and all of the names are redacted, but many believe that afghanistan is one of the places referred to, and afghanistan is a signatory to the international court. so while there are very likely to be cases in the u.s. courts,

international criminal action is still a possibility. >> that's james bays at the u.n.. and karen greenberg is at the center for national security. and she's the author of the world's least place, guantanamo's first 100 days. and karen good to see you. u.n. is upset about the report and wants to do something about it. how is the u.s. held accountable in world opinion? >> well, depends on which part of the world you're talking about, but i think generally, in terms of our allies, there's a strong sense that there needs to be some kind of accountability on the part of the united states for what they have done. >> how do you hold the u.s. accountable? >> it's hard. and the very least, they make it hard for u.s. officials to travel abroad with unrest. >> who would do? >> the international criminal court might do it, and there

are a variety of options that could do it. some judge could decide to exercise universal jurisdiction, which was done in other cases, so we don't really know, but i don't see that coming. >> you think it's unlikely, right. >> i think it's unlikely. i think that the value for this report is really for americans. as much as people are focused on potential blow back and on the u.n. response, i think this is an important report for americans, and american public opinion, and american officials to understand how they can hold people to follow the law. >> with so many people involved, how do you place plame? >> you place the blame on the leadership. those who policy you can place it on the president and the heads of the cia, and i don't think -- i think one thing is holding people accountability. and another way to hold people

accountable is to make sure in the future, there are safeguards against this, and there are actions over what we saw in the bush administration. >> what struck you about the report that you read today? >> the thing that struck me, even what we know about torture, things we read from organizes, the plethora of material, the details over and over is striking when it's all put together in this kind of very, almost bland language. this is not a hysterical document, or a shrill document, it's a factual document. we have only seen 500 pages of it, but you know it's just shy of 7,000 pages and it's overwhelming. >> does the phrase, enhanced interrogation techniques attempt to hide what was really going on? >> yes, and one value of this report, following president obama, who used the word

torture, is time we're using the word torture so find out. >> what does it tell you about the leadership of the cia? >> it tells you -- that's an interesting question. the leadership of the cia from the bush administration said we needed to do this, and we were going to defend ourselves and we think this report was cherry picking. but i really wonder, if you asked people, do you really think that you needed to do this in hindsight? i know that you were fearful in the first year, year and a half, but do you in retrospect, and if they were not so defensive against the wall, i wonder how they would answer. there was a period where they might regret it. >> it would be a long time to get an answer to that question. karen, good to see you very much. one of the centerpieces of the senate report is the interrogation of abu, he was captured and held in pakistan and transferred to guantanamo

bay. you can see experts of that on aljazeera.com. still ahead in our special report. >> these location centers are places of hope. >> the survivors, thousands of victims of torture by other countries, the u.s. is a place of revengeful. >> we need not risk our national honor to prevail in this and anymore. >> you need perspective and passionate response of the cia report from senator and torture survivor, john mccain.

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intelligence committee, dianne feinstein, who held under the report. thousands of others find asylum here in the united states, but that's just one step in the recovery. >> ♪ >> don't lose hope, they sing. stand firm and stop torture. this is the tuami support group. it means hope. republic of congo, celebrating after torture in nairobi kenya. >> these deportation centers are places of hope. >> in the united states and africa and the middle east. >> survivors and victims of torture are able to rebuild and recover. >> gary and others say that more than 100 countries still torture people. >> there's no category that's

spared. especially in the case of syria, i think, increasingly children. almost half the torture survivors our staff in jordan see, the survivors from syria are children now. so not even kids are spared. >> one survivor at the center had been tortured for two year, and he did decide to speak with us, but he did not let us film him. he was afraid that even the smallest detail would tipoff informers and so we disguised his voice. [ unintelligible ] he now has political asylum but still feels hopeless when he thinks

of his future. 5 to 6 thousands of those survivors receive treatment at these centers each year. and of the ones who do, many find it a daily struggle not to lose hope. morgan radford, aljazeera, new york. >> there was a lot of talk about torture today from the members of the u.s. senate. but only one was speaking from perm experience. senator john mcincome of arizona was tortured for five years at a north vietnamese pow camp. he broke with much of his party today in terms of releasing that cia report. >> i've often said and will always maintain that this question isn't about our enemies. it's about us. it's about who we were. who we are. and who we aspire to be. it's about how we represent ourselves to the world. when we fight to defend our security, we fight also for an idea.

not for a tribe or a twisted interpretation of an ancient religion or a king, but for an idea that all men are endowed by their creator with inalienable rights. is it essential to our success in this war that we ask those who fight it for us to remember at all times that they are defending a sacred ideal of how a nation should be governed and conduct regulations with others, even our enemies. those of us who give them this duty are obliged by history, by our nation's highest ideals, and the many terrible sacrifices made to protect them. by our respect for human dignity, to make clear we need not risk our national honor to prevail in this, or any warp. >> that's our special report and thanks for watching, i'm john seigenthaler.

america tonight is coming up next with much more on this senate report. and the cia. problem between the arabs and the israelis. some other oil producers within teach for america is supposed to educate poor children. >> schools where kids need grade teaching the most. >> can unprepared teachers make a difference? >> why are we sending them teachers with 5 weeks of training? .

>> . on"america tonight" - how american intelligence lost its way. the torture report. and the world of dark sites that allowed u.s. operatives to engage in cruel, brutal and even inhuman acts to force confessions. >> so it's kind of like a legal no man's land. >> a twilight zone if you will correspondent and former c.i.a. agent lindsay moran with insights into the torture report and whether it is needed to stop