>> a break in the case of terrorists who slaughtered 12 people at the officest much a french satirical newspaper. welcome to "consider this," a special edition of, we'll hear from the editor who was killed in an interview he gave two years ago. we'll also look at the threats against u.s., whether muslim moderates are doing enough to stop islamic extremists and the press. >> an attack on freedom of

speech. >> 12 people have been killed. >> a massacre at the french magazine in paris. >> police have identified the masked gunman. >> this is a attack. >> they are beginning to attack soft targets. >> the publication charlie hebdo. >> including caricatures of the prophet muhammed. >> nobody is above satire. >> the right of free expression. >> free compression frees expression and free press never can be eradicated. >> draw distinction between these attackers and the rest of the muslim world. >> nothing is more offensive to muslims than killing someone in name of religion. >> we begin in paris after the braise in military slaughter.

french police have identified the three suspects the youngest of which is 18 years old and has reportedly surrendered to authorities. and police released photos of two brothers in their 30s, one of whom has a past terrorism conviction. they are still at large. the three are believed to be the masked men who stormed the office of charlie hebdo office on wednesday. they executeed employees one by one, they told one, this is the work of al qaeda in yemen. ing the shooters are shouting allah akbar. >> 12 were dead when they were finished and one wounded. stopping to kill a police officer whom they had already wounded as he was on the ground hands raised apparently begging or the his life. world leaders joined french

president francois hollande in condemning the attack. >> translator: greatly talented cartoonists, journalists are dead. they left their mark on generations, through their rare independence. these men this woman died for the idea three had of france that is osay freedom. >> joining us from paris is al jazeera correspondent dana lewis. 18-year-old hamyd mourad has surrendered. the other suspects said and chefer chefer kouachi

cherif kouachi. >> the reason they got onto those three so quickly is there was an id card that was found in one of the vehicles used to flee scene after they came out on this boulevard shooting at police after they had already attacked the newspaper offices. we know that the kouachi brothers were from the suburb in northern paris and that cherif kouachi was particularly well flown by authorities, prosecuted in 2008 under terrorism charges for supposedly helping to funnel insurgents to iraq to fight american forces there. he said at his trial that he was particularly angered and motivated after he saw pictures of prisoners tortured at abu ghraib. we don't know much about mourad, he is apparently ofrench

national, turned himself into the police. he comes from reims, not paris about 90 miles west of here. there was a major anti-terror campaign from the police earlier in the evening. and detectives pouring out of the apartment look for any evidence that would tie that apartment or that scene to these attacks. the other thing we should mention antonio is when you look at the videos and talk to the eyewitnesses, the other things you will note, you don't need to be an expert just to understand, they look very calm. they look very collected. the question is: did they receive some kind of military training. as you mentioned in an earlier introduction, in fact that there are suggestions that one of them called out they had ties to al qaeda in yemen. did they ever get training or intelligence? on the ground they seemed to have a lot of good intelligence

about attacking the newspaper building, they knew where it was, how to approach it, they went in shot the guard almost immediately at the front desk and they went up coincidentally or perhaps not coincidentally they went in at 11:30 in the morning in broad daylight when all of the main staff of the newspaper were in there in an editorial meeting. do they know that meeting was to take place? we don't know. but certainly they staked out this area and had some pretty good intelligence on their target. >> is there fear that more people could be involved? >> reporter: there is certainly you know fear and suspicion in any of these cases, that where did they get, if they got training or where did they get support or what did they get motivation from. so that is something the authorities will look at. but certainly that's going to be a much deeper investigation into their backgrounds, when they're able to find out or get hold of them. the immediate concern is where are they and are they going to

carry out more attacks and when they started shooting in the streets behind me i mean there was a lot of chaos here. i just talked to a woman who dropped her daughter off at a daycare center. this street was behind me full of people today, a lot of them didn't understand they could hear shots but they thought they were fireworks. it didn't dawn them that they were in the middle of a major terror attack. police came on scene, police on bikes were shot at and missed and it was that other policeman who was -- window was shot through by the ak 47. when we saw that vehicle being taken away, he was apparently shot in the leg and he was then basically assassinated in cold blood point blank range on the sidewalk when the gunman walked up to him to finish him off. >> it was a horrible scene but the reaction in paris was

powerful, thousands of people in the streets supporting the journalists. what did they say now ? je suis charlie. je suis charlie. >> it has always been my impression and i've been coming in and out of france for 15 years, but there's a great tradition of journalism here of free speech and liberty, people don't see this as an attack on one newspaper or one newspaper editor. they see it as an attack on free speech in france. you're going to hear a lot of debate on what's going to need to be done. but people will use this as a launch platform to see they're going to have to be tougher with muslims in france, strongly condemned these attacks within hours of when they occurred.

>> we will discuss all of this in special edition of "consider this." dana lewis in paris. thank you. for more we're joined by fbi counterterrorism agent tim clemente, involved in security and counterterrorism. tim good to have you back ton show. to the civilian eye this attack looked like commandos an mission warmed kalashnikovs, with precision as a team. it really appears significantly different than any lone wolf attack or terrorism attack on the thaws we've seen in the last decade. what does that tell us? >> that tells us that what they've been doing in other parts of the world are coming the western world. what happened in pakistan at the school attack, the military school, 132 children were killed. we go back about a year and a half ago to the westgate

mall the al shabaab attackers killed about 32 children in that attack and it was a multiple man attack using ak .47s ormgs, go back to the bhiem mumbai attack in india. against western targets or targets associated with the west. >> there was one big difference. in this case they were going after a very specific target. >> absolutely. >> and also that the terrorists weren't suicidal. they clearly had a plan to get >> absolutely. there is no doubt about it. this was not going to be a suicide by could be in the arena of where they were operating and they were not suicide bombers. they went in there to do a target assessment, pick out the targets they wanted picked those targets and get out of there. they made good their escape.

obviously they planned some of the events, but the plan that they had to carjack a vehicle shows they weren't that planned but very brutal, the fact that they separated women and ruthlessly assassinated a police officer pleading for his life on the sidewalk acknowledge is kind of a dichotomy but how these pem are. >> they were very accurate in their shooting. do you have any doubts you saw a police car that was shot multiple times from a distance. do you have any doubt these guys had received significant training? >> they had received significant forms of training and tactical training too. it doesn't prove they were part of a military unit but certainly could have been. they had firearms discipline were disciplined in use of the

weapons, they weren't spraying on full auto, nearly one contacts wound into his head and killed him. he didn't waste ammunition didn't sprays from behind the truck, he moved up for the kill. that shows they were very, very confident in whration they were what they were doing and that means confidence in what they were doing. >> syria having muslim population, more french muslims going to syria and iraq to fight i.s.i.l. more than any one western country. is that the fear these are getting radicalized, training and go back to their countries? >> the radicalization is the big fear because whether they go over there for training or not they can still be a very, very big threat especially in a city and country with about a 10% muslim population. only asmall percentage of that would be radicalized, or outside

the normal practices of islam and decide to become violent. with 10% of the population being muslim can still be a number. could be significant from there and those that have those western passports not only are a threat in paris if they return home but anywhere in the western world where they can travel most free reply with a western passport. >> clearly they had training but a lot of reports out there saying one of them may have left an i.d. in the car and they didn't look that professional. your reaction to that? >> the facts that they left an i.d. in the car, could have been, it fell out of the pockets when they jumped in or out of the car. that is kind of an amateur act but i don't know what their end game was, their plan flots being

not being identified, but use those transportation methods, if they couldn't leave the country or without identification, that amaze have been why they had it with them. >> an eyewitness said one of the gunmen who spoke french perfectly, to tell them this was al qaeda in yemen. the associated press reporting that the suspects have a connection to yemen, had the editor on the magazine on its hit list of westerners who had insulted the muslim faith and deserved death. do you see them as the main suspect here? >> well, i don't know that they're the main suspect. they may be the inspiration which again the magazine inspire that you just mentioned, is meant to reach out to others. the digital format could go to

anywhere in the world. we go back to the tsarnaev brothers a year and a half ago and what they did at the boston marathon bombing. those guys were highlighted in inspire magazine. even if they weren't involved with anyone in the asian peninsula, they are inspired by it to do this type of attack. i think we might see that there's been communications back and forth but doesn't mean these individuals ever traveled to yemen or anybody in aqap. >> boston after the marathon bombing there the city was virtually shut down but here the people took to the streets. >> and the suspects were able to escape. the police response probably wasn't immediate enough. i was kind of amazed in that described dwroa

video that showed the gunmen out firing, without police cars driving in with guns blazing and lights firing. they were able to confine the tsarnaev brothers on foot basically to a small neighborhood and in this case they were fleeing in a vehicle and their exact direction of travel may not have been known immediately. >> one real concern about intelligence, one at least was known by french intelligence. tim clemente good to have with you us. for what this could mean, i'm joined by rand counterterrorism analyst colin clark. colin good to see you. >> on air force 1, the u.s. was not aware of any significant threats oamerican interests related to the attack in paris. should that reassure us? homeland security is not raising

the u.s. terror alert. >> 80, i think that should be reassuring. look -- yes, i think that should be reassuring. oesn't mean there's a connection to the united states. when we talk about the west we talk about the west very broadly to include the united states, to include canada, to include western europe and even countries like awfort. australia. >> so much of the focus on international terrorism has been on i.s.i.l. now we're talking about al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, both groups have threatened to attack the american heart land. the underwear bomber in 2009 and potential attack in 2010. which do you see as a bigger threat to the united states? >> well, it's difficult to rank these groups and say this is the most dangerous threat, this is priority number 1, this group is 1a. i think you're right, i think

the media has been focused primarily on i.s.i.s. but terrorism analysts the u.s. government law enforcement and others have been focused on i.s.i.s. in addition to groups like al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, groups like jabat al nusra, there have been a wide universe ever jihadist universe of yifdist jihadist groups. >> are all lone wolves still in your estimation a more likely threat to the united states than a military attack, military-style attack like what we saw in paris? >> i think one of the big factors is geography. obviously europe is a lot closer to what's going on in the middle

east. there are more native europeans fighting overseas with i.s.i.s. and other jihadist groups. in that sense, being surrounded by two ocean has saved the united states. i think threat of lone wolves and individuals radicalized by the internet or inspired by these groups certainly rhymes significant priority significantly with respect to soft targets. >> i want to soft targets mr. a moment. but we were just talking about the mumbai massacre in 2008, 160 people were killed there. senator lindsay graham just raised something that has got to give us pause. let's listen. >> they're moving away from military style targets. they are going targets soft targets. >> is that our biggest concern now, that they could go after

soft targets, since the most obvious targets have been fortified. >> yes, i 30 so. it's interesting that terrorists haven't conducted more attacks against soft targets. shopping malls, other targets, it's quite easy to strike out against these types of targets as opposed to infrastructure or other places that are being watched a lot more closely. >> and how do we stop those attacks against soft targets? because obviously we can't secure everything. >> you can't be everywhere at the same time. it's really, really difficult. it puts the onus on intelligence on law enforcement and on everyday citizens who see something that doesn't look quite right, speaking up instead of just staying mum and really doing our best to remain vigilant. because although 9/11 was quite a while ago, the threat was -- it still looms large. >> and how good is our intelligence?

because there's been a lot of criticism after the nsa and all the surveillance abuses there, the land were issues, with the newnew york's police department how they tried open trade to penetrate muslim communities. is that the only way to thwart mechanisms like this? >> you have to be lucky and good. so far we have been both. you have to give lot of credit to law enforcement to the fbi, to the intelligence community as well and external snowden revelations didn't do anything to help make the government's job easier. in fact it's most likely led to terrorists changing their trade craft which is only going so make things more difficult. but i think you know working with our partners overseas with our allies closer coordination between law enforcement and the intelligence communities here will go a long way toward mitigating these attacks, these

types of attacks. >> how concerned are you that we've damaged our abilities to go after these guys, with everything that's happened in the intelligence world in the past couple of years? >> i'm very concerned. it's a real threat. folks that are concerned about having their e-mail read need to look at the broader picture. it's a difficult step to balance security, it's a fine line. it's something we always need to be vij lands, we always need to be aware of, at the end of the day, law enforcement needs its intelel. >> thanks colin. >> thanks. a close are look at the flup newspaper who was attacked. what do you think?

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>> the vicious attack thatting killed 12 people at charlie hebdo in paris was not the first time it was attacked. afterwards, at stefan charbonier without free speech we are dead. we can't live in a country without freedom of speech, i prefer to die rather than live like rat. three prominent cartoonists, were killed, a winner of the

french legion of honor and some somingsing called france' cartoonist. fran, if to have you with us. charlie hebdo first antagonized many muslims eight years ago when its republished danish car antennas e-toons of the prophet muhammed acknowledge that enraged muslims when it was published in you 2005. doesn't just make fun of islam. >> good evening. this newspaper is well-known for being extremely provocative and defies all forms of censorship. it is not just muslims, it has targeted christians, jews, men women, anyone it can poke fun at

and attack at an amusing fashion with the power of the pen, it does. and those words that you just played from mr. charbonienier, is quite chilings in the way they approach all -- chilling in the way they approach all things they covered. >> he told reporters i don't understand how people can attack a newspaper with heavy weapons a newspaper, is not a weapon of war. but as we showed earlier, the newspaper was fire bombed in 2011, a police officer was guarding the paper, he was the first to die today. stefan charb observingni reservation had had police protection because he had gotten multiple death threats including one that had his picture in an al qaeda magazine. so while nobody could expect a horror like this they certainly knew they were threatened.

>> on the face of it, it does seen an unlikely targets. but charlie hebdo has long been on the hit list for potential idea ofistjihadist attacks. the fear about attacks, islamic state have called for attacks on france, and basically today, the attacks coincided with the release of a rather controversial book which imagination france as an future. this is a topic of debate, it was on the cover of this week's publication of charlie hebdo which came out today. they delve intermediate a very controversial topic and goes to say that the media is not immune from this kinds of attack. >> have other outspoken french journalists been threatened by extremists?

>> not that i'm aware of. a press has postarms security in front of our headquarters where i'm speaking right now. lemonde newspaper has beefed up security, and newspapers around france in metro stations, on the streets, shopping stores, you name it, france is barricading itself. >> in the past the french government had advised against publishing some of its satirical issues. defend a picture of muhammed naked. >> for the freedom of expression and the media, the fact that media outlets should not be the

targets of such attacks. there are definitely news organization he that have chosen to pix illate. >> ap has chosen not to do that prospective. >> an interview with al jazeera in 2012. >> we are a country ever the rule of law. we respect french law. our only limit is french law. it is that which we have to obey. we haven't enfringed french law we have used our freedom as we understand its. >> and to pursue that freedom, i know the french managed le monde french magazine le le monde the guarantors of our democracy, do you think the

attack as an effort to intimidate french journalists has failed? >> i hope so. they certainly a lot of defiance going around. and calls for this not instill terror which is obviously what it's aimed at. not just that journalists have come together, we hold bl an unused newsroom, rallies around the country with tens of thousands of people are pouring into the street brandishing pens too, as a sign of the extents owhich we should go to protect this freedom of expression. the sign that journalists helping out, i had not heard of, heartwarming and great, should be happening, we should not be hiding, we should come out and protect our expression. >> fran

blandy of the agence france. we thank you for your time. attack on the freedom of the press and the freedom of expression. we'll talk about about the issues it raises for those who are in the world. there's also been support for terrorists. we'll look at both later on.

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>> welcome back to the special edition of "consider this." the terrorism in paris was more than just an attack on a controversial newspaper. it was an attack on journalism freedom of expression and silence the voices of those with whom they disagree. >> we stand with you, in solidarity, be and in commitment of confronting extremism and in the cause from which the extremists fear so much. they may wield weapons but we in

frants and the unitedfrance and the united states wield something that is far more powerful, not just a pen but a pen that represents an instruments of freedom. >> courtney, good to have you with us. you just heard secretary kerry talk about the power of the pen. there really are serious consequences if that pen is silenced or if journalists are afraid to speak out. >> absolutely. society depends on journalists to tell them about what's happening in their backyards and globally. journalists are on the front line of providing information to the public and so when we see a brazen horrific attack like this on journalists, regardless of whether they're engaged you know in satirical editorial cartoons or if they're on the front lines reporting it sends a very, very chilling message to journalists, in france, europe and across the world.

>> when charlie hebdo was fire bombed acknowledge there was an debt dealt torl that editorial that said, charlie hebdo was, he called the paper stupid for provoking muslims. the paper then the financial times ended up editing out the insult. both papers were very clear in saying the attacks were inexcusable. but bringing up the issue, whether we should say something just because we can. >> we should be able to say whatever, when we can. and we should be editors and not masked armed gunmen. it is problematic ohear statements like that because it can

create an atmosphere where journalists are afraid to comment on issues that are of critical importance. and the fact is that this newspaper seemed to be pretty equal opportunity offender. >> insulter, right. as you say, the goal of these attacks clearly is to cause the media to self-censor. but is there appropriate self-censorship? most responsible tv network including this tv network won't show the offensive cartoons. >> it depends on each network and each journalist to determine what they feel is in the public interest. it's hard to put a blanket statement like that. where do you have journalists on the ground, what is your risk assessment? i know there are news organization he that have chosen to publish cartoons out of

solidarity and others have decided flolt to do that and i think you have to leave that up to each individual. i think what why have to be concerned about is whether this creates an environment in which people, journalists feel they can't cover these issues or comment on issues that have to do with islam or has to do with muslims in general. >> senator lindsay graupel gave a warning to the press on wednesday, let's listen to that. >> the people in your business need to be concerned. copy cats, i'm convinced there are people in our land that are ready to did attacks like this. >> do you see this as hyperbole or should american journalists be worried? >> i think it behooves journalists and media organization he to take steps, increase their security and making sure they are taking steps that are realistic and not

crossing the line you by upsetting the balance between civil little bit and security. the past years have been the most dangerous for journalists on record. we've seen journalists being turned into statements by the islamic state and with this brazen attack so i think we did have to be concerned. what i hope is that we'll see that in fact this inspires people to rise up against this sort of intimidation and realize that everyone is better off when people can freely express themselves and instead of attacking journalists to do that, why don't they you know create their own cartoons or get a -- try combat speech with more speech instead of kalashnikovs. >> talk ugh about resisting controversy, l publishing images of muhammed in 2005, he is on

the al qaeda hit list as the charlie hebdo cartoonist. i asked him if he would do what did he again? and this is what he said. >> if i say would i not do it again i would send a very unfortunate signal to those who threaten me and the newspaper. it would mean you do not get less intimidation, you get more intimidation because you tell people it works. >> i'm sure you agree with him. >> i think that's an excellent point. we see that around the world when journalists are attacked killed or imprisoned, it is actually all too common. the journalists who are killed are murdered for covering stories in their own backyards, local journalists covering local stories or commenting on local stories, they are the ones who are targeted for murder. we need the stand up to that kind of

intimidation and in solidarity with charlie hebdo, with all journalists who are literally putting their lives on the line to cover these issues and to explain these issues to us which is really i think what those editorial cartoons were doing. >> cowrnts counters. >> courtney raj. thank you. the worldwide outrage but also outrage owtion support for terrorists.

>> millions of people around the world reacted to the paris attack on social media and shockingly, a vocal bunch expressed support for the gunmen gunmen. hermd s hermella hermella joins us. >> banned the honor of the muslim women and have you not seen how they treat our sisters. mock islam got what they deserved. don't mock islam and expect

roses in return. western protection of contracts who insult the prophet, chearld hebdo is charlie hebdo is meant to be an example. when i started my research i half expected those deletes were blocked or deleted, by the time i got to them. but they were very much there. some self declared islamic state supporters, we reached identity to twitter to inquire about them. they wouldn't comment on individual accounts but we can presume they violated twitter's policy of insighting violence online. >> some could be in the u.s. >> some could be in the u.s. someone on his or her profile was rights here in new york city. people do feel emboldened and now but it's a little bit shock that at this time they would say some of the things we are

reading. >> the overwhelming amount of comments online were condolences and support for the victims and anger of what happened. >> absolutely. in this vocal minorities you really have to dig to get at the comments. holding up l signs that had the hshts #je suis charlie. that french version was used nearly 2 million times, it was used in english acknowledge , arabic and in german ich bin charlie. that only fuels that sort of thing. >> what is the dominating message online? >> i think the overwhelming number of people are saying, we will not be silenced.

the overwhelming cents imwhen this first happened, cartoonists released drawings in response to the attack. lets me show youlet me somehow you some of them. tommy unger. and drawing first who shooting a cartoonist who was drawing with a pen not a weapon. and taking us back to 9/11, in its two pencils are the twin towers and a plane is flying into them. and, "love is hate." it is a time to defend free speech and freedom of the press. >> no freedom without freedom ever the press.

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