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tragedy in asia when a passenger jet crashes into a river. and freedom of speech on trial in france. accusations of a double standard in a case of a controversial comedian accused of supporting terrorism. good evening an welcome to the international hour of al jazeera america. i'm antonio mora. >> and i'm stephanie sy. tonight we continue our coverage with the latest developments in the fight against i.s.i.l. the jordanian government is threatening more retaliation for the death of its pilot mu'ath al kasasbeh. >> on his return home, kind king
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abdullah. >> selling abducted iraqi children as sex laifs while burying others alive. >> throwing its support behind the government. >> jordan warned of an earth shake response. that response came swiftly. at dawn on wednesday the authorities executed iraqi prisoner sajida al rishawi. she had been on death row for eight years for taking part in a 2005 attack in amman that killed 60 people. another prisoner was also executed ziad al karbouli. the government quhairmd confirmed
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that its pilot was burned alive. al jazeera will not show those pictures. the father who found out his son was killed came out with these strong statements hours later. >> translator: i demand revenge be greater than executing prisoners. i demand that i.s.i.l. be anilatedannihilated. violated all the international laws codes of ethics and prisoners convention he. that's why i strongly -- conventions. that's why i demand the government take swift revenge for the dignity ever mu'ath and for our country. people say they feel i.s.i.l. is trying ostir up violence and unrest in the country.
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kasasbeh' family say they are outraged. now seem to have answers. >> i absolutely support jordan's role in the coalition against i.s.i.l. before i didn't encourage it. now i.s.i.l. has become our problem. it's imperative for jordan to stay in the coalition in order to prove that mu'ath's blood was not shed in vain. >> jordannians are angry not only because kasasbeh was murdered but they feel manipulated by i.s.i.l. the group had demanded the release of sajida al rishawi's release after it had already killed kasasbeh. al jazeera amman.
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after the jordanian pilot was captured, the uae is calling on the pentagon to improve its search and rescue efforts seeking more guarantees of safety for its own pilots. the emirates has also been providing an air base for coalition air strikes. after the u.s., the uae has reportedly conducted the most air strikes against i.s.i.l. mr. arakat thank you for your time. i want to start with the uae's decision to suspend its involvement in the air war. the washington post which gained access to an emirates air base. any other member of the multinational coalition often striking targets that are just as difficult and dangerous as those attacked by the americans. if we were to take that report as true, how much do you think this affected the coalition
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affected the uae as suspending its flights? >> quite a bit. thank you for having me stephanie. uae has been a vital partner in the fight against terror or let's say in the fight in afghanistan for many many years. it has been fighting alongside u.s. forces in afghanistan the air force has been striking in afghanistan. most recently last summer, the uae air force struck in libya against militant and arnold tripoli. so it has -- around tripoli. it has been a vital and important ally, in this war and in fact for this to be announced right after the pilot was so gruesomely executed murdered by i.s.i.s, is not a good thing. it cannot be a good thing for the coalition at least on the face of it. and it also shows that whatever message i.s.i.s. was trying to
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do by burning alive a captured pilot, is basically resonating. and it's taken effect on an important ally as the united arab emirates. so it is not a good thing for sort of the glue that holds the coalition together. >> and the u.s. had said from the outset that it was important that it have regional allies in its fight against i.s.i.l. particularly sunni dominated countries like the uae. how strong is that support? >> obviously the support at least among governments like the government of saudi arabia that wields so much influence and the united arab emirates that also is a close ally of the united states, it is a close ally in the fights against islamic extremism. as you know thank you, they were virulent opponents, in other words they are really the sunni sort of
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bedrock of support for the u.s. coalition. so for them, to pull out cannot be a good thing. >> yes. >> and it will not bode well for the coalition in the long term. because you know if they pulled out right around christmastime right after the capture of the jordanian capture kasasbeh, and the jordanians stopped their operation at least tentatively then, then what we see in this bombardment is 95% american in syria. then in iraq it is aided by britain and france and other forces. but at least the bulk of -- >> would you expect jordan to step up its military involvement? it sounds from the rhetoric that they may with this brutal video coming to light of being burnt alive. >> king abdullah will take
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advantage from the support that we're seeing now and it's natural that people would rally around the national cause around the flag. they want to avenge their pilot that was captured and murdered so brutally and gruesomely. definitely we'll see a vital role for jordan. jordan has been a major partner all along for this struggle. when there was talk about mowbl mosul and the liberation of mosul they have a division that is special forces trained and the best standards of american military training and standards. so they rely on them a great deal. so i predict that we will see a greater involvement by jordan, and it is vital that they need to coalesce all the parties. jordan is playing a tremendous role in aiding and training the national guard in iraq.
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it is training the syrian opposition, the moderate opposition. so it is definitely putting its forces along multiple fronts and multiple areas. and it's working very closely with the u.s. the u.s. will look to jordan as its primary ally in this fighting. >> professor said arakat, thank you for your time sir. >> 18 independent experts who worked on the report are calling on iraqi authorities to rescue children who are under i.s.i.l.'s control. the report says some children are sold at markets as sex slaves others have been crucified or buried alive. and boys under 18 are being used as suicide bombers and human shields. >> libyan officials say i.s.i.l. staged a deadly attack on oil workers. stormed el mabruuk oil field
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many were beheaded or killed by gun fire. i.s.i.l. is staging increasing number of attacks in the past weeks. officials say they will not send peace keepers to join the offense against rwandan rebels. malcolm webb reports from goma where rwanda's army is preparing for the mission. >> at this congolese army parade it's his men that are expected to fight the rwandan rebel group fdr. last week the army group flowbsed the launch, the fighting hasn't started yet. the news commander urged his men to protect civilians and maintain disciplines. >> translator: our elders told
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us a clean shaven and marching in step, never. >> congolese army has been fighting since 2013. the fdr is next on the list but some people here have been wondering why the offensive still hasn't started after the rebels missed the 2nd of january deadline to surrender. we filmed this video last year. the group's leaders have been trying to present a peaceful image. rwanda in the international community don't buy it. now the deadline's passed the u.n. says they must be disarmed by force. but doesn't believe there's a political will to do it. political analyst says the instability allows the province of congo and neighboring provinces to profit from congo's mineral wealth. >> all of these gentlemen they
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are really owed a lot of money. they are forming personal empires of people's blood. they haven't played up their mind to restore the dignity to the kivu people. >> but the army says it's ready and it's about to attack. everyone believes that these men can defeat the sdlr, after 20 years in the bush and split into different factions is weaker than it's ever been before. after the parade the new commander spoke briefly to journalists. >> regard the fdlr, he explained what is being done. >> and so the soldiers are still waiting for the order to attack and people living here are still waiting for if or when they can live in peace. malcolm webb, al jazeera goma
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democratic republic of congo. massacre of hundreds of civilians during a similar offensive in 2009. the congoleses armylese army has denied the level of the conflict. >> 124 new cases were reported of ebola in the last week of january in west africa and that's the first increase after months of decline. and hope that the outbreak had turned a corner. health officials continue to blame suspicion of aid workers and poor burial cases. of the new case, 80 are in sierra leone 5 in liberia. facing new health issues among them pressure in the eyes that may cause blindness joint pain memory loss and anxiety attacks. doctors are trying to study the
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>> greece appears to be on the path to a financial disaster that could rock europe aunder the united states. the european central bank said today searchtion it doesn't believe greece will be able to complete its debt repayment program. >> that assessment if true could leave athens broke within months. as courtney kealy reports,. >> greek leaders are on a
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diplomatic blitz with a simple but perhaps impossible goal. to persuade the rest of the european union to ease the pain caused by drastic budget cuts caused by europe and the international monday industry fund. newly elected as part of the coalition, syriza has a balancing act on its hands. meeting with european minister and officials like floornld. floornd. froornld. are froirnld. are. >> acceptable solutions to help greece cope with its $240
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billion euro loan from the eu. leaders seem to be making every effort to start talking with greece's new leaders. greece's new prime minister struck an encouraging note after his meeting with the president of the european central bank. >> i'm very optimistic that we will try do our best in order to find a common viable and mutually acceptable solution for our common future. >> but the toughest sell on debt relief will be on germany. >> everything we want to do with greece directs us to us wanting greece to be part of the euro zone. we will not stray from this path just because the government has changed. >> withdraw from the euro and leave other european countries like portugal and spain to default on their debts and plunge the rest of europe into
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economic disaster. courtney kealy, al jazeera. >> today you saw the european central bank reject the plans of the leftist new greek government. to access more funds. do you think this divide between greece and the eu is too wide to overcome and what would the consequences be for grease and europe? >> it is certainly a very wide divide and let's keep in mind, the greek foreign minister met with the ecb argue or saying in a statement that it's not likely or it's not likely that an agreement will be reached under the current terms or that it is uncertain that an agreement will be reached. they're not cut off from funding entirely and that's important for the greek banks to be able
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to do business. they can access the central banks without getting into technicality. this is a shot across the bow by the ecb saying, stop talking nice, you got to deliver something. yes you might be running out of money and by the way northern europe might be all in favor of that rather than giving in because if greece gets its way too much well then other countries like spain want to follow suit so they're going to say hey stick to the agreements. >> that's the question about whether there could be contagion if the eu gives in. we saw the rise of a leftist party in spain and other countries. there the question is how do we define contagion? what we were concerned in 2012 was the melt down of the financial system. other banks in europe don't hold
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much debt in greece anymore. if greece were to default it would be horrible news for greece but the rest of the financial system wouldn't be as affected. clearly there would be volatility. having said that the austerity party in europe, if greece were to have a melt down that might discourage the greece. so it's a high stake poker game. let's keep in mind at this stage it's mostly talk and who knows what they're going to agree on. >> there are still talks in europe and in the united states, the stock indices seemed to be just fine and all of a sudden this news came out and they dropped all their gains. >> well sure. ultimately are you concerned about a trader losing money or wall street? it will based on the fact that we've based our recovery on our
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surprise information we can get anything to make the markets tumble. it's not as if the greek economy had a great link to the u.s. economy. if other countries in europe would have difficulty because of greece, then we would be concerned in the u.s. yes, this is a mess but we've kind of got be used to europe being a mess but it's morphing forward. as greece points out they are insolvent so a solution has to be found. it's just they don't have much time and the government doesn't exactly instill confidence, that they are going to tackle the deficits by refusing to privatize things. let's see what's going to happen after the big talk they've had. >> it's only 3% of the european economy so let's hope if it does get to the ultimate nightmare it won't be too bad.
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thank you for joining us. and greece could present problems between a new trade agreement, ttip, supporters say once implemented it could boost the u.s. economy by $80 billion each year and europe's economy by $100 billion. some analysts suggest ttip could create more than 770,000 jobs in the u.s., most open negotiations so far have been conducted behind closed doors but not everyone agrees the plan is a good idea. lawrence lee on the debate in europe. >> the rolling hills in england one of the areas where companies would like to frack for gas. and worrying that ttip would render the issues of fracking completely powerless.
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>> if the loam planning officer decided they didn't want to have fracking within their location and they turned down an application, the companies could sue if they thought their profits were going to be damaged. >> reporter: dozens took the train, saying ttip is a closed game-changing deal between the united states and europe. from cigarette companies to health companies to all the way through to mining and drilling companies, pharmaceuticals farming, food, agribusiness, everything is gets affected by ttip it's that important. >> their host in brussels offered a guided tour demonstrating how oiled the corporate machine is. 20,000 lobbyists spend more than $1 billion a year persuading of their case. guarantees basic freedoms.
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yet this description of the european projects says something else completely but its primary function is to defend the interests of global business. of course supporters of ttip deny it will erode workers rights and they say trade must be supported. >> consumers may see some cheaper prices. for example some of the electronics that like we have like computers and ipads and et cetera, consumers may see them getting cheaper because these taxes have been removed. >> still not a member of parliament made himself available. it all adds to the sense of secret deals done away from the public gaze. >> it absolutely is secret. i went to the reading room, i was treated like a spy i had to sign a special declaration that i wouldn't tell anybody what i
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heard when i was there. it's completely secret. even things i'm allowed to see because of extreme pressure i can't share with you. >> still almost nobody knows anything about the contents of them. if ttip's backers do want to calm the fears perhaps a little more openness would be a start. lawrence lee, al jazeera brussels. >> talks on the trade agreement have been going on for 18 months. >> three top officials from the u.s. are heading to europe tomorrow to determine the flex move in ukraine. >> an issue of whether kiev should be lend to better army its military. >> and a different kind of battle, why many of them are fighting to get back to america after being deported.
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america. i'm stephanie sy. >> and i'm antonio mora. coming up this half hour of international news our al jazeera colleague, peter greste has just trowrnd returned to australia. >> a look at the plight of u.s. veterans being deported. separated from their families unable to collect military benefits. >> at least 31 people are dead after an horrific plane crash in taiwan. captured by the dash cams of several cars in the area. the airplane had just taken off from the airport of taipei when the pilot radioed mayday and 15 survivors were pulled from
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the wreck. three passengers were still unaccounted for. we are joined by al jazeera apples salail rothman. what do we know about what caused the crash? >> well, those are still questions that have to be answered by the civil aviation authority. and as we speak antonio you can hear perhaps planes above my head above the flight path leaving the international airport. it is a very busy international airport. certainly services were not disrupted after this plane crash. what we do know is that the two flight recorders were recovered late on wednesday. they've now been taken for analysis. they actually have on them the conversations held between the cockpit crew and the control tower and the other black box recorder will have all the technical information on it. that will take time to analyze but certainly will be vital in the investigation.
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behind me in the right of the screen you'll see a military pontoon. over a thousand military and civilian emergency personnel are involved in what is now becoming a recovery operation. it is not really search and rescue anymore. i think what we've been hearing from the police certainly is that they've given up help that the 12 missing are still alive but they do need to recover those bodies and bits of the plane. the fuselage was recovered overnight, it took nearly two hours and heavy lifting contemporaneous were brought in. it's been a slick operation. one police officer told me that southeast asian countries have been trained since the 2000 tsunami, either a man made or natural disaster. they seem to have reacted very properly and quickly saving the 15 people that you mentioned nine are in critical condition in local losses.
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>> sahail rothman thank you. both towns in ukraine are located in the donetsk region one belahertz the other debaltseve barrel barely hanging on. more now from charles stratford. >> ukrainian army fire a volley ofgrad rockets. they have debaltseve a town under siege. this man is trying to drive civilians to safety. you can hear shelling and shooting. at night it was very intense he says. i have to go, says this man. it's bad in there. very bad.
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we followed a bus along the mud roads into town. attempts at negotiating a temporary truce for safe passage had failed. the shelling is constituency. very few people on the street, run for cover. what sounds like artillery or mortars fires towards targets we cannot see. there have been repeated efforts at trying to get some of the wounded out of debaltseve. there have been calls for ceasefire. some of those ceasefires have been ignored. we followed a humanitarian aid convoy into the city. the men tell us they're going to an area that is too change russ for us to film.
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>> translator: we're trying to deliver aid to people still here at our own risk. we could not organize a temporary truce to come here safely. >> reporter: approximately 25,000 people used to live in debaltseve. after weeks of heavy fighting it is not known how many are living here now. only the very brave remain. i walk to deliver aid to people every day shouts this woman as another shell explodes close by. debaltseve is of strategic importance to both sides in this conflict. it is a major railway hub linking territory the separatists hold to russia. thousands of military have been deployed to defend this town. this is the personnel carrier
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that blocked our path whether we left town. the soldiers questioned us before letting us drive on. this road is the only way into debaltseve from the ukrainian military controlled side. and while the fighting intensifies it is the only route out. for many civilians who remain inside. charles stratford, al jazeera debaltseve, eastern ukraine. >> osone of the soccer stadiums is being used as a source of rm aid, convoys unloading food packages and million supplies for the needy. >> one of egypt's prodemocracy activates has been sentenced to life in prison, ahmed duma.
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>> against the regime of hosne mubarak. today duma laughed and clapped when the court announced life sentences for all but 39. the case was overseen by the judge who tried peter greste, mohamed fahmy and baher mohamed. intermeanwhile our colleague peter greste is back home in australia after 400 days in a egyptian prison. all smiles after getting off that plane in brisbane. greste said the experience was almost like a rebirth for him. >> i've learned a lot about myself. a lot more than i've anticipated. sometimes you have to go through these baths in fire to learn a lot about one self. one of the things i learned about inside, to be honest with
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you, a lot of people have spoken of the way we've handled this but i sincerely believe that most of us are probably far more capable of coping with this kind of pressure and with difficult situations than we ever appreciate. the problem is that most of us are never confronted with that. most of us are never put in that position where we really have to test ourselves. i was lucky enough in many respects to actually be tested. >> greste said it was tough to leave behind fellow al jazeera journalists mohamed fahmy and baher mohamed. but he hopes they will soon join him in freedom. >> the wife of baher mohamed is speaking out demanding that her husband be freed as well. but baher is egyptian and she knows that makes his situation different. >> i still don't know why he's in a egyptian prison, whether his colleagues are being
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released. there is nothing called deportation, it is a term used just because one is not an egyptian. i cannot describe my situation. i am living a tragedy. i'm raising three kids and why circulate they suffer for had? >> mohamed was sentenced to 10 years in prison while each of his nonegyptian colleagues got seven years. have cristina fernandez de kirchner 1994 bombing of a jewish center in buenos aires. the matter has not stopped kirchner from other matters. david schwindler reports. >> china gave the argentina tien
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aguer are argentine president, a welcome. the south american country's trade with china in 2013 was worth $17.5 billion. >> translator: chinese interests in investing in argentina is very clear very important. chinese companies have many projects in south america in general and argts in particular. we -- and argentina in particular. we are a country with many natural resources but also an important market. >> the president distancing herself from a scandal back in argentina, is accompanied by 100 business men and most of her top ministers. two huge hydroelectric dams in patagonia, and where argentina
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exports thousands of goods to china. increasingly visible trade in banks like this one for instance. less visible but equally as valuable is the long term investment in argentina's crumbling infrastructure. president kirchner's trip is building on president xi jinping's visit to argentina last july. comments she made on twitter mocking chinese pronunciation of some spanish words. mrs. kirchner apologized but these bilateral negotiations are more than just about trade. >> translator: i'd say there has been a reorientation of priorities a reassignment of political resources economics efforts to reyouunite. fantastic for economic and political activities, to a
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country like argentina. >> china is the world's second largest economy and growing and argentina, its currency devalued and defaulting on foreign debts may not seem like a match made in heaven but both have plenty to offer the other and that makes for good business. allen schwindler, al jazeera buenos aires. >> up hill battle, fought in kosovo iraq or afghanistan many are fighting to get back to the u.s. >> many say they were promised citizenship, adam rainey has more from the border. >> former army paratrooper hector still takes pride when he puts on the uniform. he feels like an american even if the u.s. government doesn't see it that way. he puts on his dress blues when
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he goes out to meet advocates supporting his fight. even if that means wearing his uniform on the streets of mexico, a place he considers a foreign land even though he was born here. he was deported after serving a two year stint in prison for shooting at someone. >> the only way i'm going home is in a box. if we're going to honor our veterans honor them by letting them being with their family. letting them get medical care. the thing that disturbs me the most is being separated from my daughter. love her very much. >> alex misses his kids too. he too served time for driving a truck full of marijuana. aside from missing their families they're missing out on veteran benefits too. jerry lopez does odd jobs to pay the bills. trbs thishe attributes his critical
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criminally basically to his service. >> you knew they blew up, you knew there were casualties. i serve my country they deport me and it's like a slap in the face. >> reporter: u.s. officials refused to sit down for an interview but they say u.s. immigration and customs enforcement is very careful when it comes to veterans. >> writing the names of service members who have been deported, doesn't include just the list of those who have been sent back to mexico. also been deported to the dominican republic, jamaica and italy. alex morello admits he made mistake. >> the only thing that makes us different, is when we get make
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mistakes we get deported. when a platoon fly their flag upside down, that means they need help. that's what we need here, help. >> a call for help the u.s. government seems unwilling to answer. adam rainey, al jazeera on the u.s. mexico border. >> more than three months ago the u.s. customs enforcement memo urged leniency for veterans. >> double standard in france. >> a comedian goes on trial for facebook comments allegedly supporting terrorism. a statement he made as the country was in the wake of the charlie hebdo matter. >> and getting an education in some of the most remote parts of the world. the world.
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laid flowers at the memorial outside the satirical newspaper's office. public outcry of support for the victims killed for what they had written and drawn. >> even as they mandatory marched for free speech, a comedian was being condemned. jacky rowland has the story. >> he's a dangerous demagogue accused of condoning terrorism. it started with a comment made on january the 11th, the day when millions of people around france took part in unity rallies under the slogan, je suis charlie. on his facebook page tierdonne wrote, i feel like amedy
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coulibaly. but that does not mean support for terrorism. >> my defense is only the truth that he only expressed a very unique feeling. that he feels like the state he isthinks he is a terrorist. but he is only a humorist like the poor victims of the newspaper, charlie hebdo. >> he is no stranger to this court. he is currently involved in several cases here on charges ranging from slander to incite incitement. >> some legal experts don't agree. >> he was a true comedian ten years ago.
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but today he's an idealogue. he's been convicted more than ten times for this so even if he makes people laugh and says i also have the right to laugh like charlie hebdo his words are no longer perceived to be humorous. they are taken at face value. >> the case has raced new raised new questions. at what time does freedom of speech begin and insightment begin? that will be the case for the courts to decide. jacky rowland, al jazeera paris. >> executive director of the arab america association. linda thank you for your time. people are debating whether
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dieudoenne's comments. >> i don't agree with almost everything that this comedian talks about i would agree that he should have the right to say what he needs, charlie hebdo had fired a cartoonist for antisemitic slogans. we also know the french government had suppressed protests last summer during the pro palestinian protests, and the gaza massacre. watching this big raise your pen freedom of speech when france has one of the most restrictive hate speech laws than probably all of europe. >> and when you say a double standard we should point out that dieudonne is an african american. do you think it's a religious standard? >> people who are not originally
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french, in places like france they remove the word race and racial from their penal code. >> i didn't know that. >> france has failed at multiculturalism. many of these communities are muslim communities and again the double standard around the treatment of different groups based on the type of speech that they engage in and who says what hate speech is, and that's why in the united states we legislate acts not words. fine line between insightment and free speech. >> protesting with vitriol at the funerals of iraqi war veterans and they were protected in this country. but i should point out that charlie hebdo has been in court even more than this comedian. in fact they have been in court some 48 times convicted nine times. so can you really say there is a double standard or is there a
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perception of a double standard? >> i mean i think there is definitely a double standard. while charlie hebdo is is an example, we shouldn't be offended by portraits of our prophet that are offensive that to other communities it is not being applied across the way look at the way the french government about head scarf bands, the freedom of being who you are. >> is the real issue in france that french justice protects secularism more than it does religion? >> and that might be what it is. it might be about secularism. but if you want to be a western country and we want to talk
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about democracy and want to lead the world in democracy jews should be able to wear yarmulkes and muslim women should be able to wear the hajab. >> linda thank you so much for your insights this evening. antonio. >> thanks stephanie. and dialing for an education. coming up on al jazeera america how students in kenya are getting the information they need over their cell phones. $aplp
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there was none today. >> robert mugabe, it shows the president taking a spill in harare, this afternoon. at 90 years old mugabe is africa's oldest leader. he was not injured. >> most of us rely on our cell phones for something more than just taking a cell phone call. >> ama botang has more from nairobi. >> this is no ordinary lesson. these students are using mobile phones to access information which will help them with their studies. the service is called aneza. students can do a quiz based on the syllabus and get feedback. they can access an encyclopedia and get help from a teacher.
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it's popular in northeast of kenya where children have much more limited access to schools books and other educational tools. the team behind the service is constantly looking for ways to make it better. the co-founder is 22 year old,. >> the studying can get pretty boring as most kids know, so to hear like their kids are hiding under their blankets and studying all night that student at 3:30 in the morning was pretty cool. >> these students attend retro school in kibera. it's through an ngo that they have access to these mobile phones. >> i have the trend especially here in science subjects percentage increasing so it has
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really improved the breadth of these children. >> education analysts say there's huge potential in places like this. >> if proper training is provided, if all the neighboring factors were increased there would be really benefits to reap from the use of mobile phones as a teaching tool. >> the team plans to reach millions of students across aafrica. such innovations in generation are racing ahead. in order for students to really benefit it is going to be up to political leaders to catch up. nairobi, kenya. >> 72% have mobile phones and 32% are internet users. >> tomorrow night on al jazeera america's international hour, as violence increases in eastern ukraine, tightening economic sanctions on russia.
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from vice president joe biden's meetings in munich to secretary of state kerry's trip. we'll explain what it means. >> that's it. for al jazeera america's international hour. >> watch "america tonight" coming up next. >> on "america tonight": >> the manor of his death how does that play -- >> i think the jordannians are infuriated. so there is going to be a backlash. >> his blood is the blood of the country and i demand the revenge be bigger than just executing prisoners. >> when jennifer and dave simon took their six month old
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