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>> or inspiring groups to commit acts of violence. and lack a comprehensive plan. here to discuss what the summit means two counter rad killization, washington director for the muslim public affairs council. he plans to attend the president's summit. founder of the solis foundation. that's been considered a model, he had the opportunity to spend some time with it fooers from the we will hear about that in just a little bit. thank you for being here. horace who is a summit of this sort signal?

to the u.s.. >> i think what it signals is that the president, is taking the issue very seriously. i think there's been a lot of talks since the -- since isis has gain sod much momentum in syria and iraq. with folks on the hill, the american public, policy makers have an understanding of the talk, and that's why experts, community leaders even international folks. that we don't marginalize the actual community we need the partnership of. there is a problem. it is a very specific problem a small problem but we need the partnership of that community. if we focus too much on that without looking at the issue comprehensively, we risk marginalizing it. >> here is the question, a lot of time these summits become public relations endeavors. and the right people aren't around the table and you get

this conversation, you don't really get those important voices from the community. are the right people around the table. >> i am not sure they are yet. what we with have suggested is partners from the community that deal with this on a daily basis get on the table. this people that have on the ground experiences. but i am not sure that they are all around the table. >> the u.s. hasn't had much success in countering extremism, why do you think that is? >> well, since 2001, when president george bush foster cared the war on terror, irrespective of what state of the argument they were on, it was just global terrorism. the global terrorism index indicates that terrorism is going up. and the reason why i believe

that's the case is because we are treats the symptoms of per errorrism, we are treating using military action, surveillance we are not treating the root cause of this global terrorism and that is the extremism aid i don't know, because of this you have a situation which an organization that can be defined in iraq, because you have not treated the original ideology morph into an organization like isis which is much more potent. >> that's interesting because i know that was one of your take aways some of those members that joined isil, you had said they lacked authentic new york. >> of islam. >> the question asked are we tackling this issue in the right way putting too many resources on focusing just on isil when in america the number one terrorist is sovereign groups.

i'd say we haven't focused enough. white supremacists are not burning people alive beheading etc. i think our government is being lenient on them and down playing what they are doing. we should annihilate them. antigovernment radicals, and isis isil. and detracting from what is the pre-eminent threat or threatsthreats in america. >> yeah, what we have to do censure is we look at it comprehensively. this white house summit needs to look at ecoe terrorist and al quaida. when you do that, you put it into perspective for the american public. what the last thing that we want to do is to have the american public look suspiciously towards it's

fellow citizens and neighbors and who are mostly impacted by this. american muslims have relatives where thousands upon thousands of people are dying at the hands of al qaeda so if we want their partnership we have to look at this comprehensively, and make sure we look at the threat domestically and internationally as well. >> how do you counter ideologist. >> well, first of all let me just responsibility, we have to make a clear distinction it is a global terrorism problem, but that problem does not exist in the same format in the united states. the united states, more people die with sending machines falling upon them than they do on islamic terrorism so we have to take that into context. in 2009, i put together a report for the british government looking at ways we can reduce terrorism.

and that the majority of these radicals and these terrorists had no training what sowf in the traditional islamic sciences. someone like ben laden was an engineer so we realize that the best way to immunize young people the best way to inoculate them is to use traditional islamic education from frommational sources to immine these against the narrative. so when the radical ideas they can recognize it for the perversion that it is. it is a very simple med dolling, and it has been the most effective to date. >> does the community have confidence in the the government's ability to execute an effective strategy when it comes to counter

extremism? >> i think the american people rarely have confident in the ability to implement perhaps that are complex. and when it comes to ideology, and social factors like the issue of violent extremism, it is difficult for government to implement a success program. >> the reason why i ask this, you are saying what is essential is it is a grass rooteds program, and the communities are involved directly if they don't trust the creation, why would they get involved. >> what needs to happen, the communities need to come one a program. community led and community driven. they should not be government led and government driven. two most successful programs we have seen, both internationally and domestically are the ones that are community driven. >> local. >> they have to be local. just like gang intervention programs just like school shooting, they have to be local and authentic. government cannot come in and impose a program we saw the unsuccessful program, where in the u.k., where the government came in, spent millions and

millions of pounds, and it really did not have the intended impact. it needs to be community led. >> we asks our community is cyrus, a muslim american, feels unfair, and in the ice unconstitutional am i the only one nervous that the government is deciding which islam is acceptable. >> it's the duty of every muslim to fight this evil ideology, and they say it is unfair to single out muslims and they we should be the ones to carry that burden of being outspoken against them. >> i think it is bit disengage yous to say that the government is imposing islam. and that's not what american muslims will allow the government to do. what we talk about is leadership in this problem. when the boston american bombings happened it was american muslims.

there's leadership, not responsible. >> all right, thank you to all of our guests. washington director of the public affairs council and thanks to you founder of the solis foundation, coming up next psychedelic healing is experiencing a renaissance in some of the most prestige use hospitals, we will fell you why cancer patients are turning to lsd and the bio ethical concerns around taking a trip, with your doctor. and later virtual reality suspect just fun and games some say it could be the next frontier for how you get your news.

details ground breaking research, how they are being used no thin call trials. anni shared her journey. >> i had lost my faith because of anxiety. i was so anxious that it was hard to think about anything else i didn't think i was so worried about death but i was worried aability the process of dying about suffering and being in pain, and having all kinds of horrible medical procedures. it was very gentble and there were people right there if i got upset i certainly felt if anything scary happened, i wasn't alone. but with my eyes covered i saw patterns, and visions and sort of faces. i thought about being involved with people i love, and everything looks absolutely beautiful. >> when we came back, it was like someone had put on a

lightbulb inside of anni's head. she was literally glowing. i felt wonderful. >> here to discuss this more on skype, is dr. charles grow, professor of psychiatry and pediatrics. he has been a front returner in psychedelic research. who have been treated with these drugs. and james chief of the neuroethics studies program at georgetown university, thank you for being here. when you think about psychedelic drugs one thing oz if 1960's, counter culture and tom wolf's the electric kool-aid acid toast, why the reemergence, that were deemed pretty dangerous and than abandoned. >> i think what is not off appreciated is that during the 50's and the 60's, even into the early 70's, there were some very compelling and

potentially value research with psychedelics being researched by other mental health and health professionals around the word. there was very very exciting promise that this treatment model helped, however it went off the rails with the culture. because of cultural turmoil and the politicization of this issue, research had to be shut down by the late 60's, early oath recess, and it took a few decades for another time to elapse to be able to open up this area of investigation in a more objective manner, and consequently in recent years my colleagues and i also other colleagues have been able to get fdi approval, and other regulatory approval, and scrape together this efficient funding to conduct a series of studies which number one,

established these ability were able to get this research off the ground again. and number two for establishing effective safety parameters within the context. >> what kinds of things specific are you feeling optimistic about. what specifically are you looking at now. >> well, my colleague at the university of new mexico, michael is recently completed a study a pilot investigation, of treatment on hard core alcoholics, with a model, so that some of the more promising work from the 60's is being started again other colleagues at nyu particularly stephen ross, are preparing a new investigations there with this patient population. >> james do you have concerns

about that? >> you know, he raised some very interesting points. some of the early research, although contemporary for the time, was plagued by a number of problems and some of the research was not done very well. so some of the early ideas some of the work, some of the subsequent studies were flawed. now the great studies done by dr. groebe, and the east coast, i think really drill down to the fact that we need to be cautious in really running up a red flag some of the side effects were not universal, and there may have been probables with methodology. so there is underlying current, that they can be far safer than weening maaed. with the right patients being selected and the right people

to supervisor. >> of course, so there still continues to be some worry about potential side effects but obviously, with the adequate controls we can also engang of the type needed much more carefully in determines what they are what dose, and whom. >> talking about some of the risks, risks are inherent to all experimental treatments especially with regard to the neurological issues. searching for treatments is great if done responsibly then we have this great fullback comment, this is only a temporary fix i myself have done it, obviously without the help of a mental health professional and the psychedelics allow your mind to let go of preconceived possessions which is probably causing the mental distress. this is interesting this is a blurry line between the recreational drugs verses what is regulated and controlled. especially with these type of drugs, how do we -- if you will regulate, if it is even possible, this terrain to make sure we can really get some solid analysis to help people.

>> well, i think it is important to distinguish the models we have created for approved research studies which optimize safety, and as the doctor said, we are adhering to state of the art research methodology. in the matter i think we will be able to get adequate information by rigorously controlling setting optimizing conditions. focusing in on safety parameters. i think that's -- that's the proper way to proceed. very cautiously, very carefully, and very charlie focus on not repeating some of the mistakes of the past. >> james, one thing that is fascinating to me, in the research, is that a lot of people who are treated only need one or two treatments. what is it about this compound that makes it so effective in p such a short term. >> it is very interesting. i think the two buzz words that we hear over and over again, is that it has to be

pragmatically done, and very very sound and then it needs to be prudently carried through, the first step is interesting because in the past ten or 15 years we have learn sod much more about the mechanism oz if pain on a verity of levels. from the very very small to the very very large and we are understanding more about how these compounds work. what appears to happen is that compounds of related drugs that work through a chemical system appear to reset that system particularly into the right conditions and so a single dose, or a fatherly longitudinal dosing trial may be able to create a neurological reset in these network activities that have become broken or fixed and a strange pattern or a strange neurological loop, and it needs to be jarred out of that. and apparently these type of drugs to a very very food job in doing that, even with single trial or short term multiple trials. >> i understand you are doing some groundbreaking work, with adult autism patients. >> yes here in harvard you

can see my medical center, and the los angeles medical research institute we have conduct add pilot investigation, treating patients with advanced cancer who have severe reactive anxiety, depression, with a single session we have a placebo control and we have completed our approved study we published our results and we did find significance, at various points during our six month follow up. of reduced anxiety and improved quality of life. >> with adult autism patients what are you finding. >> this is a different study using a treatment model with adult autistics with overwhelming social anxiety. we are currently enganged in this study we have not broken

our blind so we don't know what the outcome is, but so far, at least we have established strong safety parameters and all of the subjects and again, once we break the blind we will be able to see if we have evidence of significant reduction of this overwhelming. >> breaking the mind, determine whose is on the placebo and who is not, thank you to both of our guests. thank you to both of you up next if reads the news, and watching the news isn't enough for you an evolution in games wants you to experience the news. virtually, that is. [spanish]

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but does too much information running around in your brain ultimately desensitize you? a new kind of gaming aimed to increase your empathy by putting you at the scene. the ceo of the emblematic group, that's a firm that specialize in virtual reality story telling. people are familiar with video games that mimic reality. but you have taken eight step fourther and created virtual reality games around real events and news stories. why. >> well, my background was a traditional journalists i made documentary films so i understood how to use news techniques, but i really felt like gaming environments and the really visual presence that comes with virtual reality. >> . >> giving people the ability

to be on scene, more raptly than reading nit the paper. >> how powerful have you discovered this is? is i know that senator mccain experienced it, the musician peter gabe reel experienced it what have been people's reactions in. >> the re, have been extraordinary i knew that i was going out on a limb. but very quickly after i got thousands of people commentary documented it became very clear that it is a powerful format. >> we have asked our community about this, a lot of response, but if you need a v.r. engine, to discover empathy and compassion you have real issues. what's your response to that. >> no, i think it's an obvious one, people are thinking of games as being grand theft auto and they don't realize this is very carefully real stories that aren't getting

any attention. for example, people on the street in aleppo, we can get multiple archive sources so nobody was paying attention to the story. simply the story that we did on the migrant alejandro who was killed more than a dozen patrol officers that just went right past people, now we have seen over 550,000 views about that piece way more attention. >> we know the technology is evolving quickly we will look forward to seeing what you do with it, thank you for being on the show, and thank you for introducing virtual reality story telling to us. a final word about gaming though, before we go, we asked our community members what do they do the most, gaming or consuming the news. and the result, give hope to people who bring you the news. it is a small sample, but 65% say they spend more time paying attention to the news. until next time, we will see you online.

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