the space satisfaction to add two more docking spots. astronauts can only arriving using russian space stations. that should change. i'm antonio mora, thank you for joining us. for the latest news go to aljazeera.com. "inside story" is up next. have a great night. hello, i'm luis suarez this week's white house -- ray suarez this week's white house conference wrestled with subject from new york, to paris, to baghdad - people ready to kill others to reach political goals, and it's hard to investigate, arrest or kill your way out of it. the global problem our national

strategy and what is down at the local level. it's the "inside story". addressing foreign ministers in washington, president barack obama said countries at the conference were in the same boat. u.n. secretary-general ban ki-moon told the gathering that even as a rising tide of violence was in europe africa, asia australia - responding in kind was not going to hurt. cool heads was prescriciald. described. many of the president's critics say the president obama does not pepper radicalization political violence and combatting islamic

state of iraq and levant with terms like jihadists, and the like. >> these terrorists are desperate for legitimacy. all of us have a responsibility to refute the notion to represent islam. at the same time we must acknowledge that groups like al al-al qaeda and i.s.i.l. are tarting to muslim communities. critics argue it's naive to take religion and islam out of this equation. we look at violence and ask what makes a young man in libya, denmark, a coffee shop in sydney australia, ready to kill strengthers and himself, ready to drop everything and travel around the world to join the

fight. i'm joined by a director of research at an institute for social policy and understanding. we have seen young muslims grown up open fire in that australian breakfast place. after each one of these cases, the police trained their investigative number on the muslim community in the county they happen to be working. do you understand. >> what you are asking is important. a lot of people are wondering. we have to take a step back and look at the context of violent extremism. you mentioned important cases, you mentioned ban ki-moon. a report shows that 98% of terrorist attacks were committed by people that didn't profess the muslim faith. we do focus the vast majority of

our attention on muslims behaving this way, it's not the monopoly of muslims, that's one thing we have to keep in mind. should law enforcement focus on political voiption in the name of islam. absolutely not. if we want to keep the country and citizens safe we have to look at violent extreme im broadly. >> yes know today another young man was indict for being ready to aid i.s.i.l. in its fight to take over syria and iraq. how do you strike the balance between training all your fire on one particular community, and yet appropriately investigating leads and watching for signs of where the next trouble spot might be. >> we have to do it the way we

handle any kind of crime, which is by looking at behaviour and evidence that correlates with violent behaviour. that means looking at violent extremism more broadly, and that means dealing with these cases by looking at evidence rather than a racial profile. the other thing that is important is to look at american muslim communities as partners and not suspects. these individuals that go and want to aid a group like i.s.i.l. are alienated not only from their own country but their community. it is shunned. condemned by other muslims. to indict the community, to suspect the communicate is not only wasteful but ineffective.

>> you have polled amongst mus limits in the united states and worldwide. is there emotional or some other kind of support. maybe not for joining the fight, maybe you'd never send a check or filter money through, but perhaps you think there are means - their means are wrong or the aims are right. what is the nature of support in the struggles in the southern philippines, in the middle east. in north africa where there is instability, where there is bad governance, where there's an ongoing conflict about the fate of these societies. >> when i was with gallop we did research all over the world on public sympathy for violence against the civilians not just for muslim communities, but what we found was muslim communities

were less likely than anyone else to condemn unequivocally attacks on civilians for political reasons. you mentioned the grieve appses. they are widely shared. what the terrorists have done is they have hijacked muslim grievances. it would be a disservice to the fight against terrorism to conflate the legitimate grievances with the illegitimate actions of a few that are wide by condemned. >> when you were helping the department of homeland security, part of the group trying to get to the bottom of these questions, were they - did you see them over time refining their approach understanding better, able to get a handle on what they were looking for and what the science were. >> one thing that we have done a better job of is how we are talking about violent extremism.

you mentioned criticism of president obama's lack of use of islamic terms like jihadist or islamic terrorism. it's interesting. i recently read that osama bin laden, before he was killed had written extensively about his dismay at the lack of the use of the word islamic terrorism on the part of the american government. he didn't like that it was no longer called the war on terror but he was being called al qaeda, and america was at war with his organization. he said that that made him isolated and it made him less representative in the minds of other muslims. so he actually wrote that it was hurting their ability to recruit by not - by having american government not use the islamic terms.

we see a criticism of that by isolating the groups and calling them what they are, which is groups that don't represent the community. we are disempowering them. >> one of the interesting things about this phenomena is we find out about the men, mostly men sh after the fact. that they lined to go to dancers. they were weight lifters, soccer players, involved in the culture of the country that their family had chosen to move to. then there's a moment where they don't lie out their ambitions, they mined themselves blocked in society, and there's a turning inward and sometimes seen by their open families and noticed by their own families and they are the feed stock, the foot soldiers for this violence around the world. joe himself, the young guy who

was caught getting ready to bomb times square with a truck bomb - these are people who had been fully participant in the culture. something happened. what is it? >> what the experts have said in the case of identity extremism, and that means right-wing right superrem sis or violence in the way of it's lamb it's the one thing all of these men have in common is alienation, not feeling a part of the wider fabric and they are alienated from their own families from their communities and countries that brings me to an important point. what contributes to alienation. one thing that deeply contributes to alienation is the rhetoric that has become common in our political discourse, that dehumanizes muslims. if you are listening to that day

in day out. a vulnerable individual. psychologically vulnerable individual can be alienated by being demonized, and having it been politically okay to do so. >> thank you for being with us. >> when we come back law enforcement are watching religious, immigrant communities hoping to catch the nest threat. in 13 years since the 9/11 attacks. what have police figured out works and doesn't. do the communities resent the assumption that the next violent extremist could come from their midst. stay with us it's "inside story."

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ray suarez. we are continuing a look at radicalization and recruitment by groups willing to use violence for political aims reaching them on prison street corners and online. in a video, the director of the national counterterrorism center testified that the u.s. and allies are concerned with 20,000 foreign fighters who travelled to syria from over 90 countries. 3400 are from the west. including residents who travelled or attempted to travel to the conflict zone. a few weeks ago, as young men streamed towards syria, governments and people have been wrestling with how free societies policed groups and remained free. there has been a tough debate on the economic roots of radicals.

more jobs and a sense of purpose would slow the flow of in my opinioning men ready to kill and be killed. >> society has to provide an alternative for immigrant communities, a sense of opportunities, a sense of belong of course, and that discredits the terrorist appeal to fear isolation, hatred, resentment. police have to build partnerships with religious, and civic communities. >> joining us michael downing, a deputy chief of the los angeles police department. and linda, executive director of the arab american association. deputy chief, since 9/11 a lot of police departments started counterterrorism and increased them in size or reach. what has l.a.p.d. done. >> we have done the same.

a lot of our focus is on outreach and engagement to communities that may feel on the fringe or isolated. that's a focus. a lot of recruitment is focussed on muslim communities. coptics christians and more. that's the strength of the approach. if we say the constitution is the shield. the strength is ordinary people. >> is it known that the l.a.p.d. is around or are there praingss where you have to run without informing those beings. >> of course. you have the pursuit equation you develop intelligence, do investigations, arrests, and we have an opportunity to leverage our greatest resource which is

people. muslim communities, coptic christians and jewish. we recruit a human pool. i have outreach officers an israeli born jew. i have a muslim egyptian born arabic speaking muslim. an anerd u speaker. we get access to government teach problem-solving and support civic engagement. >> are there things you don't do any more because they don't work? >> yes, we rds that we have to get into the grassroots of communities. we do engage with leaders, but we want to engage with the people working people people that feel marginalized isolated. giving them access to government, giving them a voice. what we have heard is right.

that this attraction towards d.a.e.s.h. which sa huge propaganda machine is based on a sense of belonging, a sense of valor, a hero's journey, and we need to show we have that here too, in positive ways, and supporting american values of freedom and liberty. we have to turn it on so young people sh young adults can see that this is a wonderful place to live. >> deputy chief downing was at the conference. >> you were asked to be there but you chose not to go. >> i chose not to go because i don't agree with the programs premised on the fact that one thing determines a propensity to violence. i don't believe that's accurate or a way to approach violence in

communities. >> having heard what came out of the conference or the main speakers or being aware of what they said do you think you made the right call? couldn't you have brought that idea to the conference? >> i think i had colleagues of mine that bring the idea or had the platform. that's the question i have. we have written to the white house before and my concerns was why not allow communities and civil rights to be part of the and understand the goals of the summit. the agenda was not transparent, if for me it's where the partners are. if we work together it would make sense for communities to be a part of that process. violent strepism is not an -- extremism is not an epidemic. there's not more violent extremism coming out of american muslim communities, than there are coming out of other

communities, it's important as a nation to look at joint extremism in all forms, and not treatiun community as a suspect community. >> how would you respond to that? >> i would agree. the strength of our country is we have american muslims, jews christians it's a low level. high consequence. d.a.e.s.h. is successful at drawing the young people. he is drawing people who do not have a sense of belonging. in america, we don't have the problem. we are losing young people to go office to fight for this dysfunctional purported view of the ideology that it's a cult of death. so i think you are true and correct in saying that our strength is that we are america,

and the american muslim identity, the american jewish identity and christian identity is a sfrenged for us. it's not just about muslims, this is about all the inner faith, all the communities coming together so that we create a rely silliensy and healthy environment so all kinds of things can happen. it's really about resiliency and healthy communities. >> we'll be back with more "inside story" after a short break. in some recent cases of attacks in denmark, paris, police had identified and were watching the men who unleashed attacks at "charlie hebdo", a copenhagen synagogue, a conference on freedom of speech. in western societies, would it mean crossing a bright line to arrest with people who may commit crimes. public and free society yits want liberty and to be

protected. can you fulfil both those assignments. still ahead on "inside story".

you're watching "inside story". welcome ray suarez, we are talking about radicalization and

recruitment, the young people who became food soldiers deputy chief down and linda of the american arab association are with me. i heard what you said. i wonder how that turns into policy. if you run the police department, how do you do it in a way that observes the legal requirements and the presumption of innocence. that preserves the civil liberties of people in communities, and yet leaves us with the police force that is aware of when people are about to pull something off that is terrible? >> i think that you treat it as you do with any original crime, we do not want law enforcement to do their job. let's go where the leads take us anywhere that has suspicion of terrorism or criminal activity. by all means sur veil those

institutions. our problem is with mass surveillance, where we have the associated press blanket surveillance of 250. sending it in on white water rafting. it's a human authorisation story. if i'm on government and another is sur veiling the area when there is not a crime, i feel like a suspect when there's not a crime. >> how do i change that into policy and fact. >> there's a need for hot and pursue the bad need to be taken off the streets. it's correct. the gang analogy of los angeles.

we can't declare war on gangs, as done in the '80s. it wasn't until the late '90s, early 2000s, where we realised interventions and you look at youth and job opportunities and character development and diversion, and build off-ramps for people that may think about in and pulled into the gang environment. you heard linda talk about the new york programme that had undercover officers in mosques: if you had the resources, would you do that does that policing pay off. >> that's not the approach. we use legal standards, probabliable cause, reasonable suspicion. contention all encounters.

it's just as important as arresting violent people. if we can't leverage the resources of the communities and have them protect the value of the country as much as we do that's what we wanted to do. bill bratten, he has the balance, we are in lock step in terms of our approach. we have great outreach strategies in los angeles, that are working. we have a lot of work to do. i'll say this it is fragile. when things happen in the country, 1,000 miles away from loss r we feel it. all of law enforcement is criticized. when you go back to linda, do you consider yourself an ally.

are the police sure that organizations like yours are on the same side they are? >> i'm not sure. that is an important question that we must answer before we talk about countering violent extremism. we have to talk about assessing our muslim communities, getting their fair share of resources. help them build the capacity to provide services to immigrant and youth communities. we are self-sustaining our communities, and when the government approaches us they approach us in the lens of national security. we are a community. it continues for the past 14. we live in this country. if an attack happens in new york i live in new york. i can be a victim and be treated as such. i want to be treated as a larger

fabric of the society yip. >> if i can jump in. law enforcement. we have a role to play in national security. our functional active is to improve quality of life and communities, give access to under serve communities to resources, connect social services and mental health. those type of things it's a long-term sustainabilities. we are there for 30, 35 years. we are on the landscape. eyes and ears. we do it's not a national roll. >> deputy chief, and linda, thank you both for joining me. thanks for joining us where you are on this edition of "inside story". get in touch on facebook follow us on twitter and watch us in washington. i'm ray suarez.

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