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this is al jazeera america. i'm randall pinkston in new york. john siegenthaler is on assignment. on alert, calls for attacks on the mall of america by a somali group linked to aljie-qaeda. the missing, five months since 43 students vanished. our special report on corruption in mexico and the thousands of people still uncontracted for. climate conflict.
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he writes research denying climate change. now we're learning where the money comes from. plus getting laughs and making enemies, a day in the life of the comedian known as the jon stewart of iran. ♪ we begin with fear. security, and reality all coming together after an al-qaeda linked group in somali urged followers to attack minnesota's fall of america. fear is also being felt in the biggest somali community in the u.s. which happened to be in minnesota. >> reporter: good evening, randall. a short while ago, i went inside
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the mall to see how it was going. and is business as usual. they are taking the threats seriously. they have heightened security but in the somali american community here in the minneapolis area the story is very different. so does the al-shabab message still resinate with the young people. >> i'm afraid it does. >> reporter: this is a community under the microscope again. in light of the latest threat mentioning mall of america, the somali community here is on edge. >> there's a fear of possible backlash. overall it hasn't amount to anything. al-shabab, simply is struggling to get attention. >> reporter: it's now without season in september of 2013, al-shabab attacked the westgate
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shopping center in nigeria. the theater riverside neighborhood is known as little mogadishu. shopkeepers we spoke with who didn't want to go on camera told us they just want to go about their business even though the day-to-day struggles are sometimes overshadowed by political forces thousands of miles away. this weekend religious leaders met to discuss threats in this the community. this man says it's a matter of staying proactive. >> we always tell them not to panic, and american government is a strong government and they know what they are doing. and based on their intelligence they know more what we do. for that reason we don't have to panic. >> reporter: last week members took place in the obama administration's conference on
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fighting extremism. and randall, while many in the somali community here continue to wait and watch as this unfolds, we are told by state, local, and federal officials that there is no credible threat to the mall of america at this time, but still many here very uneasy about what may be coming in the coming days. randall? >> thank you. tony abbott is making heat from muslim clerics after a speech today. he says he will crack down on groups that incite hatred. and suggested that muslim leaders in australia are not doing enough to prevent home-grown attacks. >> i have often heard western leaders describe islam as a religion of peace. i wish more muslim leaders would say that more often and mean it. everybody including muslim community leaders needs to speak
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up clearly because no matter what the grievance, violence against innocence must surely be a blasphemy against all religion. >> reporter: -- it has been six months since last summer's war in gaza. many neighborhoods there are still in ruins. the united states has raised billions to help families rebuild. but many palestinians say they have received nothing but broken promises. >> reporter: today in gaza the ruins of homes are children's play grounds. factory floors are filled with destroyed machinery. the only power plant storage tanks are a crumbled heap. and the damage the restriction, the devastation has obliterated entire neighborhoods. gaza has never been well off,
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but today it is perhaps worse off than ever and the fear is that could lead to another war. why haven't your family been able to rebuild? >> all building materials are so expensive. and we can't get them. >> reporter: part of the problem is poverty. this is a government teacher and only received 60% of his salary after israel cut off revenues to the palestinian authority. omar has no job. about 60% of gaza is unemployed. the family has blueprints but can't rebuild without more help. >> translator: the process is slow. a week ago i went to the ministry. they said the funds from the u.n. haven't arrived yet. >> reporter: that's another problem. the u.n. agency that helps palestinians are broke. >> it's unacceptable and even scandal louse that an organization like this has run out of money to help refugees.
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>> reporter: robert says the donors haven't paid off because of the political conflict. >> you still have two different strands of civil administration in gaza. that of course needs to be resolved. >> reporter: until it is there aren't even plans to rehabilitate devastated neighborhoods. nick schifrin, al jazeera, gaza. . tomorrow we look at the children of gaza. more than 370,000 children there need psychological support after experiencing the horrors of war in their own backyard. >> children are on the edge of losing hope entirely. their entire future blocks bleak. . >> reporter: nick schifrin will take a look at what is being done to help the children of gaza tomorrow night here on al jazeera america. in new york today a multi-million dollars verdict
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against two palestinian groups. a u.s. federal jury found the groups liable for deadly attacks in israel. the damages will go to american victims of the attacks. but palestinian officials call the charges baseless. john than betz has the story? >> reporter: the attacks rocked israel in the early 2000s, suicide bombings shootings that killed dozens including americans. now a federal jury in new york has found for the first time the palestinian authority and the palestinian liberation organization were directly responsible for six attacks that killed 33 people from 2002 to 2004. the organizations were ordered to pay $218.5 million, dollars. >> this is a great day for our country and those who fight terror. we're so proud of our families who stood up and were so impressed with how seriously the
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jury took their job. >> reporter: ten american families sued under the anti-terrorism act, which allows u.s. citizens to pursue charges in federal courts. for years pal tinnian leaders condemned the bombings and insisted they were carried out by loan actors. but attorneys presented evidence showing the suspects were employees of the authority, that it continued paying their salaries after they were arrested. and even made martyr payments to the families. >> the jury sent a very clear message that those who commit terror against americans will be held accountable in the united states court of law. >> reporter: defense attorneys promised to appeal. the palestinian leadership called the charges baseless and: we're going to take steps
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against our assets and we're going to put pressure on those who are negotiating them those who have relationship with them to make sure that the palestinian authority respects the american law, respects an american jury ruling and pay their debt. >> reporter: this comes as palestinian officials are already struggling financially, and this could hurt their international image as they try to press war crime charges against israel in the international criminal court. in france the president called for tougher laws against hate speech. hollande stays he will push for faster and more effective sanctions against hate speech and says he wants the justice system to reform how it treats the issue. >> translator: i hope that all of the speech all of the writing of speech do not come
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under the right of the press, but under criminal law. his comments come in the wake of last month's deadly attacks on a satirical newspaper. now to norway more than 1,000 people formed a ring of peace saturday outside the main sen gag. the gathering follows recent attacks on jewish attacks in paris and copenhagen. one organizer said he wanted to demonstrate this jews and muslims do not hate each other. we spoke with one of the men at the gathering. he says it was a sign to the world that there are more people advocating peace than calling for violence. >> the ring of peace was an attempt to show sympathy with
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our jewish friends after the tragic event that happened in copenhagen and it was a message to say we cannot change the world, we cannot change europe but at least we can do something to show the jews that live in oslow that we are with you, and if anyone wants to target you, they have to go through us first. there can be many excuses for jew hatred it can be based on political sympathies or just outright hatred but it doesn't matter what your excuse is because it's wrong to target jewish civilians, and we muslims just as much as we don't want to be generalized, we have to make sure we don't generalize the other way. there is a tiny minority here in norway who's response has been very negative. and islamaphobia is also a
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problem. many people have doubted the intention behind this because i believe they are so used to believing that muslims in general are bad, and that they hate jews and also when you have so much hate in you, that you cannot you know, digest it when someone is doing something good. i believe there is a serious problem. people who are so much used to having a negative view of islam and muslims, i think this event took them by surprise. never before have people from the muslim and jewish communities actually come together on a grass root level. i think it's a positive thing that more and more people are catching up and realizing that we have to reach out for each other. more events like the ring of peace are being planned by muslim groups all over europe. harroon is a fellow with the
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institute for social policy and understanding. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> you just saw the story about the ring of peace. anecdotally, how often do we see that kind of public display of unity, vis-a-vis muslims and jewish organizations? this >> not enough. a lot of our communities unfortunately have been so dominated by the israel/palestine conflict that what we're seeing is these communities are becoming incubators of hate or intolerance in some communities. and this is an excellent step towards addressing that to saying that we may have disagreements, disputes differences, but we can't let them hijack our communities entirely especially after what happened in france denmark, what is happening in israel and palestine, obviously it's
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important to make a difference between disagreement and discrimination. >> with regard to gaza that's a hard bridge to cross, isn't it? >> it is. but the most important thing propalestine advocates can establish is it's not about anti-semitism, disagreement. that's how many people process it. this is a principled conversation of how we expect people to be treated. it's not about anti-semitism or islamaphobia. >> earlier we talked about the threat made by al-shabab, the call for violence against malls in many america. so how -- how do you explain people who identify themselves as being muslim at the same time issuing a worldwide call for violent attacks, spes spes -- specifically in america.
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>> it's depressing. we have seen a lot of war and violence in the muslim world. and people who occupy the middle ground are just disappearing. it's becoming increasingly hard to hold that line. when people talk about isis people forget what iraq has been through in the last 30 years. when societies get brutalized they produce brutality. and it's very difficult for us to explain as muslims and americans that islam is not this thing. there's a famous article by graham wood in the past week in the atlantic and yet it's more important now more than ever that we make that distinction. that we say this these groups are perverting islam and taking advantage of people especially muslims who don't know any better. >> and you have president obama trying to make the distinction you are discussing, he is being slammed for being the person who
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is defining what islam is and if say no one has the right to do that. where does america go when even the president cannot be listened to as a con sill at iter. >> i have never heard of a political strategy at least a successful one where you divide and can't conquer. you have to make distinctions. we can either allow folks in the middle east to take the lead or we send in ground troops and if we make the conversation about islam, we lose all of our allies in the region. because if president obama were to say this is a problem with islam, then what are we supposed to do that the majority of the groups righting isis are islam. to me this is intelligent politics. he is not trying to bring everyone into the room in order
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to have a conversation about islam. he's trying to stop isis. i really don't think it's the president's job to decide the orientation of iraqi politics or syrian politics, or egyptian politics. it's to get things done. and the fact that people can't see he is talking about a strategy is disheartening and disappointing. >> but there has to be that kind of understanding, and who on the other side is there to make that argument? do you see the president getting any assistance from people who might not agree with him on anything but on this matter theoretically there should be agreement. >> most people in the foreign policy establishment understand what he is going to do. and that it's not a good idea to put troops on the ground again. the people who are criticizing him are taking easy shots.
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but a lot of this is very opportunistic and short sized. many of those who forget about him being too passive forget what a very active policy got us. had we not pursued certain foreign policy choices, would we be in the situation we're in today. >> politics stopping at the water's edge is long gone gone with the wind as it were. >> it is a strange world where the eyes make a declaration about what is and isn't islamic, but that's the world we live in. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thank you for your time. up next as mexicans grieve over dozens of missing students we take an in-depth look of years of lawlessness in this that country. plus glenn greenwald talks
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the action would protect more than 4 million undocumented migrants from deportation. justice officials asked that the plan be allowed to move forward while the appeals process is underway. it has been nearly five months since 43 college students went missing in mexico. the abduction shook the nation setting off protests and igniting a political process. last month the authorities declared the students dead. but many are still demanding answers and justice. "faultlines" teresa went to iguala mexico where it all began. ♪
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[ counting in spanish ] since the students were taken, mexico has been consumed by protests. but the story goes deeper than the 43. tens of thousands of people have gone missing in mexico as the government struggles to battle cartels. "faultlines" came here before and after september's attack on the students to try to find out why so many people are
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disappearing in mexico. >> students told us that they were preparing to travel to mexico city that day, to commemorate the killing of students by the army in 1968. something they do annually. david says he was among the studented headed to iguala that night, where they hoped to find more buss to get to mexico city. ♪
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difficult to work in some areas in mexico, we filmed for example in one state, we had to go with a hidden camera we were sleeping on the texas side of the border and we had to film in the day with hidden cameras, and then come out. and there is only one human rights organization left because all of the others have shutdown or been killed especially journalists have been killed. people are afraid. we have to conceal their identities. because they are afraid for themselves and their families. so, yes, there's areas where it's difficult. it's dangerous. we managed to go to those areas, but we have to be very careful in the way we carried out our investigation there. >> one more question it will be five months on thursday since these students of iguala went missing. what is the expectation of more
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protests? >> we're hearing there is going to be protests all around the country. they want these protests to be global. they want people all around the world to start pushing the mexican government to exactly know what happened to the students. yes, we know a mayor was involved, the municipal police were involved but we still don't know where they were buried, where the remains are, especially when there are very very serious organizations that are demanding the government to get more information. there are many inconsistencies in this investigation. and people are demanding answers, especially the parents of those students who are still waiting for their leaved ones they still have some hope even though the government is saying they have been killed they are still waiting for more answer. >> teresa thank you very much. be careful. you can see more on her report on "faultlines" at 10:00
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this is al jazeera america. i'm randall pinkston. john siegenthaler is on assignment. fuelling controversy, a prominent scientist, and climate change denier under fire. the cash the conflict and the fallout. spy cables an al jazeera investigation into hundreds of leaked intelligence documents. tonight, israel, south africa and the stolen blueprints for a missile. banned in if iran we talk to the daring satirist inspired by jon stewart who spokes fun at iran. and the photographer profiling new york subway stations like you have never seen them.
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♪ scientists have been sounding the alarm about climate change for years, except for a few who say those fears are exaggerated. one of the most prominent skeptics is dr. soon. his research involve undisclosed conflicts of interest and more than a billion dollars in payments. >> reporter: he has testified before congress. has made lots of appearances at con for instances and on conservative news programs. he is basically a star among people who say climate change is not a problem. but these new documentsproof that dr. soon is basically carrying out a lobby campaign bought and paid for my gsa companies. >> reporter: this is a
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researcher at the harvard center for astro physics. but he is what is called a climate climate skeptic. a scientist who says greenhouse gases have little or nothing to do with climate change. he is a tiny minority but have huge influence when it comes to politicians who want to block climate change legislation. >> the only condition i always tell anybody is same thing. i will never be motivated by money for anything. >> reporter: green peace disagrees, it has released documents that suggests dr. soon's ties to oil and big
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energy companies are much more extensive than previously known. the documents say dr. soon has received $1.2 million from the fossil fuel industry while he published papers in scientific journals without seeing who was writing the checks. what he seems to have systematically done is not disclose his conflicts of interests. he is being paid by a coal utility, by the foundation associated with charles koch. he has submitted at least 11 papers, and didn't disclose these payments. >> reporter: dr. soon hasn't responded to questions about green peace's documents. >> the harm is the lack of transparency, when the public is trying to decide if this is a
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problem, scientists telling you don't worry polar bears are fine, and that's poisoning the debate. >> reporter: doctor soon says variations in the sun's energy play a bigger role in global warming than human beings burning fossil fuel. the smithsonian says it doesn't agree with that. and will soon reveal its own ethics and disclosure policies. >> we are joined by a filmmaker from the film "merchants of doubt." he joins us from los angeles. we should point out your film is based on the book "merchants of doubt". thank you for joining us tonight, sir. >> hi it's actually inspired by their book and takes a look at people who are creating doubt about science when we actually know that the facts are very
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clear from tobacco, where for 50 years, we understanding that tobacco caused cancer but yet people for 50 years were able to create doubt about that and many of these people went on to create doubt about other -- other industries and now they are where the big money is which is in the energy field. >> do you think the american public is more or less susceptible now to what you have describeded as doubt mongering? in >> well, i think they -- you know the fault is not so much the american public. there's a lot of very talented people who are being paid a lot of money to create doubt, and to fool the american public. i spoke to a man who had been hired by the tobacco company to keep the slow-burning cigarette from being requireded and he was able to infiltrate and say
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to people it's not cigarettes that cause house fires, it's couches that cause them. and he was able to make it a law that we had to put chemicals in our couches. and when i explained i was doing this film jfshgs and i said it was not only about cigarettes he said you could take dr. james hanson who is a leading climate scientist, and he said i could take a garbage man and convince america the garbage man knows more about climate science than dr. hanson does. and i think that's very frightening -- you know, we'll being tricked and deceived. >> let me just interrupt you here for a second. but what i was really getting at is the fact that in the 50s and 60s, when we basically had, what two means of mass communications, radio and
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television, not even cable at that point, and we would see the commercials -- remember the cool cigarette commercials where it gave you the sensation if you smoked cool you were going to be cool you remember all of those commercials. but today we have social media, twitter, we have so many additional means of bringing information or misinformation to people. that's what i meant about is it easier now to mislead the public? >> well, i -- listen they did a great job with cigarettes back in the 50s. i think it's morphed into new technologies, but i think that people are beginning to see through the lies but it's -- listen they are very good at what they do and they have been successful before and they seem to be successful now, but hopefully that is changes. >> thank you very much for your time, sir. film director of the movie "merchants of doubt." >> thank you.
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we turn now to the spy cables. al jazeera's investigative unit is teaming up with the guardian newspaper, to publish hundreds of secret intelligence documents from around the globe. tonight an alleged coverup covers israel south africa and a back room deal over stolen military blueprints. >> reporter: it appeared to be an open and shut case two men caught red handed trying to sell blueprints software, and components from the south african arms dealer. police launched a sting operation posed as russian buyers and made their arrests in 2010. there was little media coverage. >> it would have been a very sexy story if one was privy to the whole setting up the trap and people being arrested and so on, but the media wasn't involved in the -- the actual
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drama of the story. >> reporter: the spy cables reveal crucial details that were kept hidden from the public. somehow israel's [ inaudible ] got hold of the blueprints. south africa wanted the blueprints back asked israel and got this reply: >> reporter: but on one condition: >> reporter: it appears south africa agreed covered up israel's involvement and got its blueprints back. presumably only after he made a copy. two years later a trial took
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place without any mention of israel's secret role in the affair. the israeli citizen involved walked away free from prosecution. will jordan al jazeera. al jazeera's phil reese tells us the previous secret documents provide new incite into how israeli intelligence operates. >> it gives us a kind of glimpse into intelligent machinations that we rarely get. it's a very murky world. either this was a assad [ inaudible ] to steal the blueprints in the first place, and they used this israeli citizen to do that or the israeli it is -- citizen was involved in the first place and tried to sell the documents. he had the documents and the
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south africans were desperate to get them back. i think a security service would tell services around the world effectively not to believe their own prime minister, i think that's quite striking. we knew reports that came over during the time that the various spy masters were worried about the talks with iran. but this puts it down in black and white, that they essentially -- perhaps stopping essentially of calling him a liar, not far from that. >> more coming up at 9:00, including a look at iran's secret network in africa. and iran has been working to beat sanctions, and support grass roots islamic groups and how britain and israel have been working to disrupt those plans.
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intelligence leaks are at the center of the film "citizenfour," which won an oscar last night. it's about edward snowden and the journalist who broke his story. john siegenthaler spoke with one of those reporteders. glenn greenwald said the film could change the way that people look at snowden. >> i think it's to convey what we actually experienced and saw, and -- and navigated when we went to hong kong to meet the source whom we didn't previously know. it lets the viewer see edward snowden in the action not really in any mediated kind of way, in order to make up their own minds. so much as been said about edward snowden, but this lets the viewer see for themselves and decide what they think about his actions. >> my name is edward snowden. i go by ed. >> how powerful was it that day
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to sit in that room? >> it was extraordinarily powerful. for one thing, i think we had an expectation, the director of the film and i, had that he was going to be much much older than he actually was, and to see a young man of 29 years old make a decision of this magnitude to knowingly unravel his entire life as an act of conscious, and to be so self possessed and calm and convicted about it is stunning. >> i'm not afraid of you. you are not going to bully me into silence. >> i think it scares the hell out of people when they hear what you have uncovered. is that what you intended to do? >> i don't think so no. you know i think what we intended to do was to show the facts that we were able to obtain as they were presented to us by our source, and those facts are just frightening. i mean it is alarming when you
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realize that the government in complete secrecy had decided to built a system to collect the eninternet, all of our communication activities browsing histories and the like and it's very alarming, and it's almost impossible to show this material without it being frightening, because i think intrinsic to what it is is something that is quite dangerous. >> i assume edward snowden has seen it? in >> he has, yeah. >> what is he reaction? >> he has talked in the past about the fact that it's a little bit difficult to watch, because those days in hong kong were incredibly stressful, and i think he feels like he relives the stress every time he -- he watches it. but at the same time you know, he has had very high praise for the film because it didn't just the story of edward snowden. the first part of the film shows the contacts that lead up to what he did, and why he did it. such as james clapper lying to
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the senate about what the nsa was doing, other parts of surveillance that had been uncovered and the other part is the fallout, and i this hi he feels like it's an important contribution to the debate he hoped to trigger. >> are you getting nor nervous? >> i mean no. when somebody busts in the door suddenly i'll get nervous, but until then do. i'm fine. >> what have you and edward snowden and laura done to change the debate regarding privacy. >> i think for the first time as the result of edward snowden's revelations there have been debates all over the world, not just about thorseor dang -- the dangers of surveillance but also the pressures we put on large tech companies to demonstrate to their users that they are serious about protecting their privacy, and
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they encrypt their services that makes it much more difficult for governments to invade those privacies, and we have made people aware the extent to which their privacy is being compromised and they can take steps to protect their own privacy, and millions of people are doing that and that makes it much harder to engage in mass surveillance. >> what is edward snowden's life today in russia? >> it's fairly normal. one of the things the filmer reveals is his long-time girlfriend lindsay mills, moved to russia and they are living together. he is busier now than ever before. he gives speeches makes appearances, gives interviews wins awards. he is still a source for those of us doing the reporting. and the think that i think is
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most significant about edward snowden is he is season who gets to put his head on his pillow every night with very clean conscious about the actions he took. >> glenn thanks very much. and congratulations on the new film. >> thanks. "citizenfour" is playing in collect threer is -- theaters and on hbo. good evening, randall, this is not just about female empowerment. there is mounting research that when women advance, economies advance. christine is in a position to draw attention to this. the imf commissioned a new study on women in the work force. >> it's important to me that we put a particular focus on the role of women, the potential
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contribution of women, because it's largely an untapped market in many corners of the world. there is pretty much everywhere a gender gap in terms of income for instance, and there is a gender gap in terms of access and opportunities in many countries. >> reporter: she also says there is something 90% of the country's holding women back have in common and we'll tell you what that is in our next hour. >> thank you stephanie. we look forward to seeing that. up next the iranian american satirist poking fun at his homeland, and making friends and enemies along the way.
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when jon stewart leaves the daily show this year he will leave behind the legacy of inspiring comedians across the globe. this is one of them. he is the producer of a sat tieral show produced in new york but aimed at iran. >> he has given iranians a taste of political satire that is banned in his country. he is winning a lot of fans but also enemies. most comedians wouldn't be jailed for telling a joke but that's the risk this man would face if he were telling his
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jokes in iran. instead, he is one of the most famous and controversial iranians in exile. clips from his show often get hundreds of thousands of hits on facebook. many more iranian viewers watch the program on illegal satellite tv on a channel funded by the u.s. government. >> translator: the u.s. and iran don't have problems in washington now do that >> the foreign minister and john kerry take selfies left and right. they go out for a kabob. >> reporter: it's the type of humor he couldn't perform in iran. he came to the u.s. 15 years ago, and now runs his program from this warehouse in brooklyn new york. his show is an alternative to the usual fair on iran's official tv. while it airs state-sponsored
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prayers, he accuses officials of exploiting religion. his style has drawn comparisons with jon stewart. >> so you calling me a profit will in no way get many in trouble will it? >> reporter: we joined them on their weekly skype call. down the hallway in another room there is another team that is preparing graphics and video, in the same way that most newscasts are put together here in the u.s. except in this room there is one big difference. they told us they are afraid to show their faces on camera. i asked this writer why. >> reporter: >> translator: our families still live in iran. >> reporter: he says iranian authorities pressured his brother and sister to get him to
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stop ridiculing the supreme leader. he didn't so his siblings fled to the u.s. >> my family has been harassed many times. >> reporter: it's a big price for big laughs. but iranian american activists say his humor is filling a void in iran. >> because this kind of political humor cannot be produced inside the country, and shows what can be done is very much welcome inside of iran. >> reporter: websites turn out scathing articles about him. some are personal attacks. this report claims he has improper relations with women. >> it's all lies propaganda a bunch of nonsense. >> reporter: it's also a reason he can't go home at least for now. until he can, he homes to make an impact there from here.
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one joke at a time. >> i really hope to make iran better place to live for everybody. and if it can be through satire let it be, you know. >> reporter: he also had a weekly podcast called five in the afternoon. randall it is a satirical show on human rights in iran. >> who funds his production. >> reporter: he says it is funded by the state department. and i asked them if they have any interference into his decisions. he said no he is very independent. >> he also talked about his family being harassed. does he still have family in iran? >> his parents are there, but his siblings have had to leave. >> interesting. adam captures people in transit. they are moving but his camera
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freezes them in time. his work includes his new project called stainless. it has gone viral. and we asked him to join us for his first person report. >> i'm also interested in working in events in situations where nothing really happens to us nothing is more common than waiting for a train on the platform. it happens every day. so far i recorded platforms in six cities. i think all of these places have pretty different characteristics. on the other hand when you look at them all of them all of these videos have the same kind of feeling. i'm always trying to capture something that makes people feel that this whole thing is happening to us continuously. we live in the minute and in the hour. there's days and hours that we
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are waiting for, and they are arriving at some point, but they don't really stop. the really interesting part of creating this videos is that everything happens so fast. and not really able to see anything. the whole thing is just a blurred out platform when i'm filming them. after i make the recording and go home and process the video, this magic comes through. this is the thing that fascinates me in terms of creating the video. there are a few different reactions. i think the -- the ones that -- that makes me really happy is when -- when people start talking about life. because this is what i think i have to do as an artist to do something -- write something to people that makes them think about how they live or how they are related to their every day life. >> the exhibition can be seen in
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