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>> presidential encounter. >> we certainly anticipate that they will have a discussion tomorrow. >> after speaking on the phone this week, president obama and cuban president castro will meet face to face at the historic summit of the americas. pakistani snub. >> it is desired that pakistan maintain knew traltd in neutrality in the yemen conflict. >> rejecting the request of
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saudi arabia to join. and pakistan releases the alleged mastermind of the mumbai many attack. and chernobyl 29-year-old nuclear accident continues to affects the people in the fallout zone. good evening i'm barbara serra. >> and i'm antonio mora. we begin in panama, in the summit of the americas. president obama and cuban president raul cuba will hold a meeting. >> we certainly do anticipate that they will have the opportunity to see each other at the summit tomorrow, to have a discussion. again we don't have a physical
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meeting scheduled at a certain time but we certainly anticipate that they will have a discussion tomorrow in the context of the summit on the margin of that summit. >> the administration also confirmed that the leaders spoke on the phone on wednesday. both leaders first spoke in a december phone call announcing their intent to restore diplomatic relations between the two countries. >> meanwhile the high level talks got off to a start on friday night. >> james bays joins you from panama city. james the stage was set for a possible encounter between president obama and raul castro. looks like we're going to have to waits one more day. james can you hear me? james bays in panama? >> reporter: hello yes sorry the line is going a bit in my ear. i'm here.
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>> so james the meeting didn't happen between president obama and raul castro. i guess we're expecting it tomorrow. >> reporter: absolutely. they are right now in the same place on the same podium in the building where i am. the opening inauguration of this summit. they may well i think bump into each other in the margins of this. there's a big dinner taking place, there may well be a handshake but yes you're right barbara. the big event is taking place on saturday. the white house had initially said there might not be an actuallyactual meeting but there is now going to be a bilateral meeting. that is something historic. that has not happened since castro's brother fidel seized power in 1959. >> and in previous summits there were tensions to the u.s. because ever this, how are the
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other participants reacting? >> well obviously cuba is here, the first time since the first one took place 21 years ago. we can see that on cuba at this summit including the designation of cuba as a state that sponsors terrorism. that will be a more positive addition to the mood here but remember there are also tensions between the u.s. and countries in this region and in particular venezuela earlier on, i was at a protest which was attended by nicholas maduro the president of venezuela. this is one of the banners that they were holding up there they are referring to the executive order that president obama introduced about a month ago. it's sanctioning some senior
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venezuelan officials so that really is the cloud on the horizon. and some leaders here with left of center views still attacking the united states barbara. >> james bays in panama city, thank you. >> chair of the ackerman law school, joins us from miami. good to have you with us augusto. we have secretary kerry meeting with cuba's foreign minister for hours, and let's take president obama takes cuba off the list of state sponsors of terrorism how quickly are we likely to see reestablishment of relations? >> you could see that very quickly thereafter, both the cuban government and the u.s. state department have had a series of meetings in havana and in the united states. and they've begun to work out a lot of the technical issues that are associated with opening embassies. and i believe those talks have
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gone well. certain momentum has occurred, and i would be surprised if in fact the embassies aren't opened in short order. >> now getting off the terrorism list means that the cuban government would benefit to greater access to american banks. would that help on the island or would that strengthen the repressive cuban government? >> it's a bigger question as to whether or not you believe that the sanctions regime that was if place was helping the cuban people as opposed to the cuban government. i think what we're seeing now is a different shift in american policy that posits the idea that by having greater contact between regular cubans and americans, that there will be a different dynamic that will produce a better cuba that is part of american policy. so what you have now is, for example, $1 billion in
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remittances from cuban americans to the island. there's a cost associated to that because those reementances remittances are not direct. they have to be co-opted through another country. you will see direct banking relationships and the things that are occurring now associated for example with u.s. travel to the island or cuba's purchase of american agriculture those can occur at less cost. >> but the reality is the embargo will stay in place for at least now there hasn't been much willingness for the congress to raise the embargo. will it change that much from the economic standpoint for americans or cubans? >> that's a great question. as you pointed out the embargo is in place it's hard wired into american law it stands out as an anomaly that way. and what the president has done
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and is doing for example using his discretion to take cuba off that list, is really going about as far as the president can go. so the next step to lifting the embargo is going to require an act of congress. and we can speculate about what is going to happen about that. as you know there are six cuban americans members of congress, two are running for president. it's interesting to see how that will play out and the american domestic political arena. >> and subsidizing oil with the venezuelan government a mess could it hurt the cuban government by rising the expectations of the cuban people? >> those are great political
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questions that strike at cuba's interest in make this change. as you know the united states has been cuba's implacable enemy for 50 years parts of their rhetoric all of the dysfunctions could somewhat be associated with the embargo. cuba's made an important strategic decision not just with respect to the united states but also with the structure of its economy. and it appears to be moving away from a very limited state centrally planned economy into a model that looks more what you have in countries like vietnam and china. >> quick question, apparently ban ki-moon is speaking at the summit of the americas in panama. what will this mean for americans? seeing the u.n. secretary-general, will there be an ability to visit the island
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and spend money if the embargo is still in place? >> the most important thing is i think last year something like 90,000 americans traveled to the islands, i think large number of those are cuban americans like myself, to the tune of 5,000 visits. all those travelers have to go with cash because credit cards don't work on the island, your cellcell phones don't work on the islands. >> that could change but there is so much they can spend under the embargo right? >> there are some limits that have been lifted, there is a significant amount of business going to the island in terms of travel services at hotels, restaurants and then another part that isn't reported that often is, the changing in cuba, right? we focus what's happening here on the u.s. and sort of bilaterally. but i think folks haven't focused on what is happening on
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the island with the growth of small businesses. and here in miami you can see an enormous source of capital there's a neighborhood working class neighborhood here in miami called high hialeah and you see a lot of capital going to cuba to fund these businesses. direct banking respects, banking relationships will help fund that well. >> augusto, thank you. >> you're welcome. pakistani law makeers want to retain the country's neutrality to participate in diplomatic efforts. nicole johnston reports from islamabad. >> after several days of debate,
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pakistan passed the territorial integrity of saudi arabia. >> yemen is like a quicksand. nobody can come out of it. there will be no winners in this conflict. >> one week ago president noaz slifs. >> thereazsharif. >> you cannot afford to annoy iran. and also play some sort of a role conciliatory role with turkey. >> the other consideration is iran. on thursday its foreign minister minister javad zarif met pakistan's priements. pakistan's prime minister. >> there be having a critical
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fallout in the region including within pakistan. >> reporter: pakistan doesn't want to offend its shia community by aggravateing fighters in yemen. pakistan should keep out of the yemen conflict. >> pakistan should not send its forces to saudi arabia. it is their war and it's not even saudi's war. >> strong ties, they conduct joint exercises and there are almost 1,000 pakistani soldiers stationed in saudi arabia. riyadh has called for ground troops naval ships and fighter jets from its ally. it trusts pakistan and its army, the sixth largest in the world. but so far pakistan isn't sending any extra forces to saudi arabia. pakistan's revolution is a reflection of its delicate balance. saudi arabia has given it great financial assistance over the years at the same time, it
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doesn't want to upset its neighbor, iran and to increase sectarian tension at home. nicole johnston, al jazeera islamabad. >> joining us is ambassador ahmad achbad. ambassador thank you so much for joining us on al jazeera america. the pakistani prime minister noaz sharif owes saudi arabia his life, do you think he's embarrassed from the decision, the no comes from them thought from him? >> he's shown a great deal of political savvy on getting the parliament to say pakistan must remain neutral in this very difficult decision. he may himself be inclined to go along with the saudi request.
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they both belong to the sunni sect he is constantly visiting the shrines there but the financial be relationships and the shia population in pakistan of 30 o40 million people and he can't afford to alienate his shia neighbors. >> ultimately how damaging do you think this rejection will be to the saudi-pakistani rich? >> yes, i think it will create a great deal of ire great deal of anger, great deal of anguish among the saudis. because they see pakistan almost taken for granted. pakistan owes a great deal to the saudis financially emotionally culturally, there is a great deal of respect for
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saudis in pakistan. we don't underestimate two of the holiest places in this planet for the muz us limbs muslims are in in saudi arabia. both countries, saudi arabia and pakistan need each other. pakistan has an established army established command and categorical structure. it is a nuclear power and in the muslim world it is seen as a credible military power. >> but sir foarveg of forgive forgive me for interrupting. at this precise time when saudi needs pakistan, pakistan is saying no so surely that will perhaps be more damaging not just in the short term but in the long time as well. because in saudi's time much need pakistan isn't there. >> but barbara just think of it.
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if a major power in the world is neutral is that better rather than pakistan begins otilt with the other sides account iranians, with the shia? think of it that way.in a worst case scenario, pakistan has been neutralized. in the best case scenario pakistan would have come in with troops, perhaps even with the air force the parliament of pakistan has unanimously rejected the requests to side with the saudis in a military conflict and that is a decision of the people of pakistan. and noaz sharif, whatever his political inclinations cannot override that fact. in lobbying for pakistan to remain neutral, it is very duplicateand perhaps this is way out for pakistan. >> perhaps we have learned that pakistan wants to play odiplomatic role, there are pakistani advisors in saudi
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arabia how do you see this role be of pakistan developing in the crisis? >> it is in touch with the other neighbors in the region and i think pakistan could build up a kinds of coalition of neutral friends trying calm the situation in primarily the arabian peninsula it may overall have a good and positive and calming effect in the region which is not a bad role to play. it also enhances pakistan's position as a kind of diplomatic heavy weight. >> ambassador, thank you very much for your time. >> unicef confirmed today that 16 tons of medical supplies arrived in sanaa today. life and death difference between children and families but not enough to end the suffering. more air lifts in coming days.
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>> in context, tonight u.s. cuba relations for the first time in more than half a century u.s. and cuban presidents will hold high level talks. >> president obama and raul castro will meet on saturday morning, trying to restore diplomatic relations between the two countries. >> before it can do that, the u.s. must first remove cuba from its terrorism list. mike viqueria. >> good evening barbara. it is widely expected that the president will make the
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announcement in panama, before he sits down with some of the session he and bilaterals he has scheduled for the day the recommendation to top aides is being reviewed by the national security council and the president is likely to make that decision tomorrow. what will that be? a top aide was told, cuba should be be removed, what is in the eyes of the administration, a relatively notorious list. cuba is joined by only syria iran and sudan. there are any number of restrictions that go along with that no doubts will want to be removed, assets frozen, banking very difficult to do business in the united states with u.s. banks and therefore around the world. one of the president's top national security advisors, deputy national security
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advisor, ben rhodes, briefed journalists, and why the president wants to go forward with normalizing relations with cuba. here's rhodes. >> we're in new territory here and the reason we're here though is because the president strongly believes that an approach that was focused entirely on isolation entirely on seeking to cut off the cuban people from the united states of america had failed and that a policy of inclusion won't just lead to a possibility of working with the cuban government but much wider engagement with the you cuban people. >> powrm is atpresident obama is at that summit they are due to meet face to face, the white house doesn't want to describe it as a
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full formal bilateral meeting. they are saying they will be pulling aside on the margins. no question about it there will be the two have spoken by phone wednesday while the president was still in washington, barbara. >> mike viqueria in washington, mike thank you. >> as the high level talks are taking place in panama, in havana it seems like time has stood still. bus at daniel swind lir schwindler tells us. >> time moves slowly in cuba, centralize id government that only allowed change whether it thought time was right. but now change is the main topic of conversation here in havana. raising hopes and expectations plus some fears. >> there are dalg confrontations
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on a number of issues that are important for both countries and that's the way of building blocks to build trust which is one of the most important things that over the last 50 years has been lost. >> reporter: with washington and havana talk everyone has opinions and nowadays they're not afraid to express them. >> translator: the most important thing is to stop the blockade. that's what caused our people the most damage. >> the united states must establish relations with cuba to reach an agreement they must respect each other. >> translator: what i'd like to see is better human rights. more social justice and freedom of speech. that's what cubans want. >> it's been 50 years of hostility. we will see what happens. >> reporter: with the united states so close and the cuban compile community so close people feel they know their
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neighbors. if this prospers they'll get to know them a whole lot better. now it's only a matter of time before this well guarded u.s. interest behind me become the official american embassy and so long divided these two nations become a link between oneighbors. but there's still a lot of work to be done. firstly, fidel castro then his brother raul has made a habit of surviving through adversity. >> the arts of living together with differences. they have accepted that the united states has some legitimate interest that should be challenged. >> more than 50 years of animosity, the resentment that that breeds will not be eliminated overnight but there is cautious optimistic, a
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declared two counties disaster areas, today an ef 5 tornado caused huge damage last nights. rescue crews are still searching tonight. >> hillary clinton is expected to make a major announcement this weekend expected to announce her bid for presidency on sunday and expected to do so vie social media. the first democrat oenter the race coming up at 11:00 how other democrats are trying to make a name for themselves in the race. federal officials in kansas are accusing a 20-year-old man of planning a suicide attempt at a naval base. john t. booker, wanted to bomb the fort riley army base on behalf of i.s.i.l. >> a set back for iraq's government i.s.i.l. launched an
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attack on anbar province. officials are reportedly asking the prime minister to send in reenforcements. just days ago the iraqi government declared victory in tikrit and set its sights on anbar province as the next target to claim. >> reporter: sunni muslim in tikrit escaped from i.s.i.l. forces and the iraqi military supported by shia militia. >> i can't go back to tikrit, the destruction they did. after they looted them they burned it and pretended i.s.i.l. did it. >> the iraqi army, with the help of shia military, took back tikrit. the shia militia has told the
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people it's safe to return. it did with it the help of around 20,000 shia militia fighters. it is this group that some sunni residents accuse of burning homes looting and ransacking government buildings. many sunni muslims fled with their families to ir bill in erbil. >> we don't know exactly what's happening there. what we see on television that the shia militia has a negative impact. as a family that is not involved in any party we hesitate to go back. >> reporter: iraq's prime minister hardy haider al-abadi, pushed into other i.s.i.l. controlled areas of anbar province. this is aftermath of iraqi military shelling.
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medical sources told al jazeera at least three i.s.i.l. fighters and three civilians were killed in the attack. as the army and shia militia go on offensive winning the trust of people like kise will be difficult. charles stratton, al jazeera. yarmouk refugee camp, u.n. says the i.s.i.l. fighters must allow the 18,000 to leave. all must comply with humanitarian obligations. meanwhile, talks in moscow, russian mediators spearheaded talks were tarnished by
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disagreements on issue of trust and the release of political prisoners. officials say they were under confusion about solving all problems. >> translator: i can say that our assessment of what happened during the second meeting is positive. we managed to find a common denominator and secure our common approach to a number of key issues. >> he played with us talking about terrorism and what can you do with terrorism and et cetera. this was very disappointing. >> this was the second round of talks in moscow this year, left open the possibility of more talks bit butt did not say when. >> members of congress will find out more of the framework nuclear deal with iran when they return to work next week. secretary of state john kerry and other officials will move to capitol hill to brief law makesser ton agreement. told a iranian news agency the deadline could be extended past
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june 30th to satisfy new iranian demands. iran wants international sanctions lifted whether the agreement takes effect. the u.s. and other world powers want them to be lifted gradually. >> mourners gathered in the small kenyan town of gatundo today to bury a woman gunned do you by at the attack. down at the attack. al shabaab gunned down nonmuslim be students the garrissa university. terror attack in mumbai couple francois hollande told nairnd modi thatnearnd modi thatnairnd modi thatnarendra modi that he was
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indignant. >> he is a hated man but when he shows up his supporters follow. be indians believe he planned the mumbai siege. his trial has dragged on for years. >> we are very disappointed what pakistan has done with him. as its own neighbor and friendly relations should be maintained but the recent development is very unforeseen. >> six years from the siege it continues to haunt mumbai. over the course of 60 hours they attacked luxury hotels, a jewish center and railway station. nine of the ten attackers were subsequent killed. indians believe it was ea and his group that trained gunmen
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but according to his lawyer there's not enough evidence which is why he's now on bail. much of the case is based on the confession of the one attacker who survived, india executed him two years ago. the attack is a sensitive issue between the neighbors who historically have had a difficult relationship. a handshake between two prime ministers last year was thought to be a defining positive moment but the decision to release lakve on bail could be a set back. >> protestersprotests erupted in india today. police filed tear gas into hundreds of protesters who gathered to kashmiri uprising.
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>> chinese came under heavy criticism for aggressive military activity in disputed areas last year and now the u.s. is concerned about china filling out reefs to create artificial lands in the spratley islands. china shot back accusing the u.s. with hypocrisy. >> translator: you can quote the u.s. leader as saying, china is showing size and must muscle. i think you will agree that china has been a robust force for preservation of peace and stability in the south china sea. >> in recent dais the u.s. has stepped up its criticism of china's activities. patricia sabga explains why the area is a valuable prize. >> antonio and barbara u.s.
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allies japan and the philippines, if an armed conflict breaks out over disputed territories in these waters the u.s. could get sucked in. the u.s. also has a strong economic interests in making sure tensions don't flare. the south china sea is one of the area's busiest shepg lanes. of the $5.3 trlt of trade that passes through 1.2 trillion involves the u.s. as for hot spots the east china sea, five uninhabitated islands and three rocks yes i say rocks, have been the area ever conflicts. the south china sea acknowledge claimed by both being philippines and vietnam why all the fuss over these tiny specs of land? well the u.s. government estimates south china sea
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contains roughly 11 billion barrels of oil and 190 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. china's estimates owner ten times higher. asia's insatiable demand for energy is pushing exploration further offshore including to the spratleys, where china has been building artificial islands to anchor its demand. >> what if they held an election and nobody came? >> and chernobyl 29 years after the explosion. xplosion.
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is expected that the president will retain election. natasha guinane has the story. >> independent candidate hasn't spent one day campaigning. he tried to stage a strike with the other presidential candidates at the national election commission. his goal was concerns about the elections not being free or fair. but he was the only candidates who showed up. knowledge. >> translator: i agree with people who say that the elections are be rigged but i ran anyway for two reasons. to promote my plan offering practical solution he to the problems and to draw attention to the potential of election fraud. >> reporter: these three presidential candidates did find spend the final day of campaigning giving speeches. he would ensure the u.s. sanctions of sudan would be
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lifted within a few months. there are ten men and one woman running against the president. the only campaign signs you see are of basheer. we asked this group of men at a tea stand if they could name a single candidate on the other handother thanbashie rfertion. theybashier. they couldn't. in control of the media elections will be a sham. bashier, appeared, now in his 26th year of power after a coup in 1989, the leader has shown no signs of giving up. bashie rfertion told the crowd
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we'reier, told the crowd hehasn't registered to vote. natasha guinane, al jazeera khartoum. >> encouraging news about the west african ebola outbreak, the risk of the virus spreading to other countries is declining. the outbreak has killed more than 10,000 people since it began in december 2014, lowist number of cases in nearly a year. authorities have given green light to official shut down chernobyl power plants. >> nowhere near a total price tack for a complete cleanup. >> we focus on lingering health effects primarily on children
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born decades after the nuclear melt down. andrew simmons has the story from chernobyl. >> only three and a half months old, this baby is clinging on to life. his heart has been stopped. a machine takes over. >> without this surgery baby could not survived. >> this doctor leads the chernobyl heart team. most of these cases were late to the 1988 nuclear accidents. >> this baby was so big and so strange, not usual very high probability can be related to chernobyl disaster. >> after all this intense intricate surgery the tiny heart is beating again and there's now every chance this baby will survive. half an hour later and the mood is positive. >> blood pressure of baby is 96
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over 52, they have a good heart rate. normal e eg so we're happy. >> within an hour, the surgeon who carried out the operation leads her patients to care. dr. olga earns less than a taimpletaxidriver. she reassures his mother. she says touch him everybody is okay. >> a very big sense to those who did the operation. they have golden hands. >> they play have golden hands but most of the funding for training and equipment has come from overseas. a charity in ireland has been at the forefront of the effort. foreign surgeons are also flown in for more complex operations. but this doctor says that help may not be enough now.
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ukraine's government is making more budget cuts. >> we might start to lose kids just simply you know we'll not be able to provide surgeries. life-saving surgeries. >> reporter: as this baby waits in line for next operation, the reality is, unless there's more funding the lifesaving surgeries may come to an end. andrew simmons kharkiv ukraine. >> series of mistakes that caused powerful explosions, fires, and two workers were killed by the explosions. 28 others including firefighters
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died within three months from radiation exposure. afterwards, officials closed off the area within 18 miles of the planned. ultimately 335,000 people forced from their homes a totals of 5 million in ukraine belarus and russia lost their homes. a concrete shelter was built to enclose the demands reactor. that is scheduled to be replaced in 2018. it is a tourist attraction since 2011. barbara. dr. roberts gale, coordinated efforts for victims of chernobyl. when it comes to long lasting direct medical effects what can
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we say is more prevalent because of the chernobyl disaster? >> fortunately, the news is mostly good. there were unfortunately little more than 7,000 cases of thyroid cancer exclusively in young people that have occurred in the 15 years since the accidents. that is essentially over. and we haven't really found any convincing evidence of any other health effects i'm speaking of direct medical effects, not psychological effects or the tragedy of having to move, but in terms of cancers or heart disease or things of that nature we haven't found any convincing evidence of that, investigations from hundreds of scientists from many countries. >> of course there are people who disagree with that, we saw in the previous report from
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andrew simmons chernobyl organization, staying with the leukemia or thyroid cancer, how is radiation causings these diseases is it in the food chain, sit in the air how does it method mast manifest itself? >> the seize yumg is seize cesium is going to be arounds for hundreds of years. the levels of it are no different than you might get from flying from los angeles to london for example in a commercial aircraft. >> does that mean the effects of radiation have faded away entirely can we guarantees we are not going to see an increase in these diseases or others?
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>> can't really guarantees anything. but our best example is the atomic bomb explosions. now we haven't seen any convincing evidence of leukemia after chernobyl so that's a good thing. but it took about 30 years and even extending up until today 60 years later for other cancers to be observed like breast cancer or lung scearve. cancer. so i wouldn't want to bet plief that nothing ismylife that nothing is going to happen. but to suggest we are not going to see an increase in other cancers i home that -- >> some people mites find it surprising that the area has been designated as a tourist attraction to each their own. people who go there actually have to sign a disclaimer. >> yes, i mean the amount of radiation a person would be
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exposed to by visiting is much less than you would get from crediting ahaving a ct scan. much, much less. there's really no risk. would i suggest investing in real estate, probably not. >> i guess not. dr. robert gale, leading expert on effects of radiation. thank you so much for joining us. thank you. >> it's a job that's both disagreeable and dangerous. >> ahead on al jazeera america some of india's poorest are picking through garbage dumps ohave enough to survive. >> and 36,000 year old cave painting the public's desire to see what's called the world's oldest art museum.
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of the garot chauve. scientists and artists spent years building the $58 million copy which is less than a mile from the real thing. in india many known as rag pickers digging through garbage dumps is the only way they can survive. at liddy dutt reports from mumbai, it is the only way to guarantees a good life. >> he can earn up to $five a day collecting plastic but to do so he says he needs to be drunk or high. >> translator: we have to use substance to work here, and then we become adictsed to them. when it gets hot and the sun hits the garbage the smell is
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overpowering. we get high to tolerate it. >> tolerating these conditions, in the hope of more opportunity. after years picking through garbage, he set up his own recycling center. this shed is his doarmings the live a better life. -- determination to leave a better life. >> my life has improved after i moved from the dumping ground. i make sure i save something from the little i earned. so from the ten years i stopped collecting garbage i progressed a lot. >> hundreds of people live and work where mumbai dump its garbage. where this mountain of garbage has grown so too do the people survive. rummaging for garbage is a job few choose to do but it's the
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only way to make money for some of india's poorest people. and because of the stigma attached to this type of work, most people who do its remain trapped in poverty. groups say the best way to change the community's fortunes is to invest in its young people. >> translator: we are working to ensure that the children of rag pickers don't follow in their parents footsteps. a opportunity to do something else. >> with the little he has he's trying build a safer and life for his family. this is a chance he says is worth fighting for. liddy dutt, al jazeera mumbai. >> in our global view segment we look at how news outleghts outlets are reacting to various events.
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under the headline twoorming havanawarming tohavana. it says cuba should immediately be taken off the u.s. list of state terror sponsors and cuba needs to show that its people will benefit with a new relationship with the united states. >> the conflict in yemen be islamabad should not compromise short term interest for long term gains. should not have to, be, quote sustained by middling in affairs of iran. >> the headline stones from glass houses. the editorial says that iran has foolingishly mistaken overtures for peace. it is going to have to stop
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sponsoring regional conflicts. >> that's its for this edition. i'm barbara serra. >> i'm antonio mora. "america tonight" is next. i will see you again in an hour. >> on "america tonight": sex crimes on campus. lessons learned after a groundbreaking year of reports. >> did you know that title 9 was something that could be applied that universities could be held responsible under title 9 before this happened to you before you saw oreport? >> i never heard of title 9. i was one of the people that thought oh it's never
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