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>> julian bond we sit here today, of all days, the 50th anniversary of the selma march, march 21, 1965. tell me that day about julian bond. i was. >> not in selma on that day but i was here in atlanta and obvious that things were going on, i was on telephone. my job was to publicize the student coordinating committee and let them know what is going on. i was letting them know what was going on and that to do something about it. >> you were sending out news and

information-- >> you could say that i was an early twitter. >> the first tweeter of the era. but tell me, let's talk about that. now, with ferguson. with tamir rice in cleveland with the horror in oklahoma of those fraternity brothers on the bus. how important are images, video telling the story. >> they're me another mustily important because they do show--looking public--what is going on, what people are doing what's happening here. in ways you could not show it before. could you show photographed pictures of things but it would take a couple of days to get them out. but today bam bam, bam, whatever you want to see you can see. >> so the selma march, the fact that the images went worldwide how much of an effect did that have on the work you all were doing on the ground? >> it had a tremendous effect. it's almost immeasurable.

you can't tell. here are these ordinary people innocent people doing nothing at all, walking down the street, bam, bam, bam, these policemen jump up on them, beat them in this horrific way, and all of a sudden the world sees it in ways that the world could not see such things before. it was just a magic transformation into way people learn of these things. >> is it a way to say look, we're not killing about this. this is really happening. >> that's it. this is happening. this is happening to real people and you can see it right now, of course, i hate to keep saying magic, but it is a magic. >> you're a veteran of the civil rights movement. you've worked at this all your life and it's 50 years on, same things are happening the same atrocities. you talk about emmett till a little bit his influence on you when you were a young boy. talk about that as it pertains

to that. >> emmett tells picture was put in "jet" bag and the pictures of the bloated corpse, just ugly ugly pictures. but to see them and know this is a real human being and this is the way he used to look, and the way he looks now just frightening. >> how old were you when that happened? >> oh, gee, i was one year older than he was. >> that was like seeing someone who could have been-- >> exactly so, someone like me, my age, who was the same age as i am, scary. >> getting back to selma getting back to the march. you all had a purpose. you wanted to get the vote. that was a tangible thing. is there in civil rights today still that tangible goal, or is it elusive. >> it's a tangible goal to get the story told, and get it told quickly, strongly, fairly, let

people know about it in ways they couldn't know as quickly they couldn't know before. in those records it's a little different. but at the same time it's the same bam bam, bam, now the world can see this happening in ways the world couldn't see it before. >> but now the world sees it, and they react differently. the reaction is different than it was back then. >> it was different, it's quicker. saying bam bammic bam in ways it couldn't be seen before. >> setting aside the pictures, just the way the community reacts to something that they find to be horrific, how is that reaction different. >> you see this boy in charlottesville, virginia, an university of virginia student. you see him and hear him saying i'm an university of virginia student meaning don't hit me. hit somebody else. if you have to hit somebody hit

somebody else, don't hit me. but this appeal he makes is so real it can be rejected and pushed away. >> ferguson, for example seemed very disorganized in the way they responded to both the actual event and the grand jury and then the justice department. is there a vacuum of leadership in black america and civil rights america. >> i don't think there is a vacuum of leadership. there is a vacuum of organization. these are not quite the same thing. in ferguson the leadership was there and was mobilizing people saying let's do something about this let's raise some hell about this. today things are not happening as quickly and put together as quickly as they were then. >> yes if today someone said we're going to make julian bond

the de facto head of ferguson response what would you have done differently? >> i would have organized people to march or protest in a particular way towards a particular direction. i would have them saying, we're all going to knock on these doors. we're going to make this joys. noise. we're going to do this right here. we're going to be a machine moving yelling and screaming and making noise. >> when you look back at the civil rights students, you see people like yourself, john lewis, martin luther king, we could have a long list. but when we look today we see very often jesse jackson and al sharpton. the young leaders where are they? >> they're around. you look at the dreamers who mobilized the sit-in at florida

state conference. that's youth leadership. that's raising hell and making a lot of noise and they'll make it again. >> is the raising hell working? >> it is. it's not working as well as it might, but give them some time. they'll give you some hell. >> it takes time. >> it takes time to get together saying we're going to do this. you can't just say bam we're going to do this thing. you have to be together. you have to figure out what you're going to do, what plans you're going to have, and you have to be organized in ways that people are not organized today. >> we all see the video of these fraternity brothers at oklahoma state singing that song. we all react in a certain way. do you react in a particularly deflated way when you see that? >> i think my lord, have these kids learned anything? where did they learn this? where does this ugliness come from? it's scary to be that these

young men who you expect more from or i expect more from, and they are college students, offer all. why aren't they better trained? why aren't they better educated? why are they acting like such idiots? >> can you answer any of those questions? >> i can't none, i can't answer why they behave the way they do. >> when you look at this, do you think, i thought we beat this. >> when i see it and learn that it's not done, it's the same bunch of idiots doing the same idiotic stuff over and over again, i think what the hell is going on? >> selma is--has come to mind for so many people because of the film that came out this summer. but at the time selma was a culmination of something. >> yes, it was a movement made up of many people working hard every day. some doing this. some doing that. some doing this.

pushing the needle faster and faster and faster. i don't think you can quite have that any more. >> do you think we don't have that any more because we got the vote? there is not one thing. for example gay marriage. as soon as you get gay marriage it's a bit more nebulous what they're fighting for. when you got the vote, was it then scattered? >> no, there were things that we didn't demand in the way that we demanded these earlier appeals. when we learn how to do it, we'll be back in line again. >> let's talk about the film "selma." it was a hit. it brought education to people. what did you think of the movie? >> i thought it could have been better than it was. people in the civil rights movement like myself don't like any movie about the civil rights

movement. i don't care who made it, who is in it, we don't like any of it. i didn't like the portrayal of president johnson which i felt was unfair to him. in this regard he was a champion and he was not portrayed as a champion. he was portrayed as a nit. he was not a nit. he was a good guy. >> in your estimation did lyndon b johnson impede or help civil. >> right he pushed it forward. if it wasn't have been for johnson we wouldn't have had the voting rights acts. just a succession of things happened because of president johnson. >> what presidents aside from president johnson has had a positive history on civil rights? >> it's hard to say because none of them have had overwhelming effect on civil rights. if you take away president johnson, there is not a president who has been way up

here in my estimation. johnson is way up here. but none of the others are. >> is there someone who is surprisingly good that we don't think about too often who did good things? >> no. there's none. >> let's talk about president obama then. you know, president obama walked across the edmund pet does bridge. >> i've walked across that bridge several times and i hope to walk across it again. i was happy to see it. i think it meant something positive that the black president of the united states has walked across this bridge. this bridge was named after a

segregationist. and now a black president has walked across this bridge, and in my mind that's a step forward. >> president obama how do you view him through the prism of civil rights? >> well, he's had a difficult time because he's had a congress that has said no, no, no it almost everything he wants to do. no matter what it is he tries to do he can't do it because of the republican congress just says no no, no to everything he does. he's in a mess where he can't do what he needs to do. i don't know about president obama. we need to give him time. >> he only has a year and a half left. >> i mean even after that. see what he does, see how he behaves and see what he has done. >> in the past you've talked about the tea party as being essentially racist. do you

still believe that? >> oh sure, they know it, too. >> how has it been on race relations in the country? >> i think its bad. they're a native element of negativity and applying it to the american political system. that's just not a good outcome for us. it's not a good thing for the country. it doesn't signify that we're going to rise up. in fact, it makes us fall down. >> and do you compare them or is it possible to even compare them what you faced 50 years ago? >> they're not quite the same thing. they are wrong-headed people doing wrong-headed things. i wouldn't compare them to the klu klux klan that i faced. >> you talk about the klu klux klan that you faced. what was the scariest time you had in the movement? >> well, iic remember being in

downtown atlanta picketing department stores that would not serve us food, would not allow us to go in and get something to eat. i felt real fear that this spindly legged boys would poise a threat to me. luckily nothing happened, but the threat was there. >> you have said that obama is to the tea party what the moon is to the werewolf. what do you mean by that? >> i mean obama is to the tea party what the moon is to the wear wolves. >> thank you. we needed you to clarify that. >> i'm glad we straightened that out. >> julian bond talks about another movement the battle for lgbt quality. stay with us.

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>> you're watching talk to al jazeera, i'm michael shure speaking with civil rights icon, julian bond >> looking back at the movement even in the movie selma, but reading about it and knowing about it it wasn't all harrowing and terrible. and i've heard you in other interviews even talk about how it was a good time the civil rights movement. talk about that a little bit. >> it was a wonderful time. it was the best time of my life to be in the civil rights movement, to be doing this thing this thing

and this thing with this group of people. my colleagues, people who worked for the student nonviolent coordinating committee with me. people who marched down the street with me, who walked across the bridge with me. these people were just the best people, and i loved being with 'em and i can only hope i get to be with 'em again and again and again. >> and as you get to together with some of those people, as i'm sure you do from time to time do you shake your head sometimes that can you believe what's still going on? >> i say "not only can you believe what's still going on but "can you believe we're still going on?" that's the thing that's hard to believe. >> i mean, you're taking tours through the south teaching people about what you did then. you're teaching at university. do you feel moved to do that? >> oh, very much so. i feel compelled to do it because-- i think it's one of those things, "if i don't do it, who's gonna do it?" >> i'm going back to the vacuum of leadership, is do you see people and inspire

a spark and then know that "okay, one day i'm gonna be able to hand this stuff off to them?" >> sure. i see that. and you know it may be tomorrow morning. it may be next week. it may be next year or something. but sure, i see that happening. >> i wanna call your attention to a letter that you wrote also 50 years ago. julian bond democratic candidate for the georgia house of representatives. in it, you say that you wanna talk about housing, getting better jobs, getting better pay and improving schools. 50 years ago. and that was for the georgia state senate. has that gotten better? >> yes the georgia legislature and the state of georgia is a better place than it was when i wrote that letter. it's not a perfect place far and from it, but it's a better place now than it was then. >> so we're not post-racial in this country-- no, we're not post-racial. we're better we're better. what would define post-racial,

and is it possible? >> i think it is possible, but i think it's something you know you're just-- some dreamer-- some dream-- dreaming you're having. and if you're-- understand this dreaming then you understand it's a dream. >> can you recount for me any interaction you had with dr. king that-- kind of inspired you to keep doing this? >> i can't say we were best friends or buddies. but i had-- some association with him this time this time, someplace else. i remember one time he and i were walking across the morehouse college campus and i said to him, "doc, how you doin'?" his friends called him "doc." he said "julian, i'm not doin' well." he said "unemployment is high. racism's everywhere. segregation's immovable." he said, "i feel awful. i have a nightmare." i said, "doc, turn that around. try, 'i have a dream.'" >> so really it came from you. you were the, "i have a dream, guy-- >> i wouldn't say that. i wouldn't say that. >> but what brought you to the movement in the first place? what made julian bond wake up one day and say, "i wanna (cough) put myself in

harm's way and make it better?" >> i was in-- going to morehouse college in atlanta. i was sitting in a drugstore having lunch. a student came up to me and said "have you seen this?" held up a newspaper. newspaper said "greensboro students-- sit in for third day." said, "have you seen this?" i said, "yeah." he said "what about it?" i said, "it's great. it's good." he said, "don't you think it'll happen here?" i said, "it's-- it's gonna happen here." "don't you think we ought to make it happen here?" i said "what do you mean, 'we?'" he said, "you take this side of the drugstore, and i'll take the other." and we did. and we started the movement. >> and so you-- the-- and that was where? that was in atlanta. >> atlanta. >> and then you were hooked? >> i was hooked. i was-- i couldn't-- couldn't turn back. >> you see the lgbt community as fighting for civil rights, too, and you are a proud supporter of them. what draws you to that fight as well? >> well, because i worked in the civil rights movement with many gay people-- many lesbians. they helped me, and why should i not help them?

they helped me push the needle forward. i'm eager to push the needle forward for them. i wanna help them, and i hope they wanna help me some more. >> what would you say to counterparts in the gay rights movement about what they're doing right and what they're doing wrong? >> i don't know what they're doing wrong, but they're doin' somethin' so right. it's just amazing the speed with which the movement for gay rights has-- has-- has come to the country. bam bam bam bam bam. good for you. keep goin', brothers. keep goin', sisters. keep at it. >> people look at the civil rights movement, people in that community the gay community, the latino community they look at you as a hero. who were your heroes? >> well, i have many, many heroes. lot of people i served with in the student nonviolent coordinating committee. the names are just too numerous to mention now. people i marched with, people i went to jail with people i did this or that or the

other thing w-- these are my heroes. and the people who came before me. w.e.b. dubois is a big big hero of mine. >> tell me why. >> he's just one of the smartest people in the world. and-- to read what he wrote and to understand the th-- thoughts he went into, you just think "wow why can't i be like that?" and someday i will. >> do you think the media is doing a good job of covering racial-- >> no, not doing a good job of covering these kind of things and i'm not sure exactly what it is or why it is. and it seems like they're missing something. they're not telling the story the way the story should be told. they're not telling it all. they're leaving something out. i'm not really sure what it is but i know i'm missing something. >> do you feel like you had that something before and it's gone-- >> yes i think i had it had a media that told the story more clearly in the past than is true today.

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>> we have an exclusive story tonight, and we go live... >> i'm michael shure this is talk to al jazeera our guest this week, julian bond, long time veteran of the civil rights movement. >> 50 years from now julian bond, where do you imagine when you close your eyes race relations will be in the country? >> i'm not really sure. where i hope they'll be is people will be saying, "well, we've come forward more than i thought we would." i hope we-- somebody will be saying that. and if they say that that'll be okay with me. >> so that'll be a hundred years from selma. >> right. >> somebody says "what do you want julian bond to be remembered for when it comes to civil rights?" what would you say? >> i want people to say, "he was a race man." that's a man who cared about his race and

wanted to help him as much as he could. >>you've said, "race is history." or you've said "history is race not, "race is history." >> right. >> what does that mean? >> it means-- history is race because we're always learning history. we're always reading history. we're always seeing it-- what's happening in history. and we wanna look at it more and see what's happening. >> and you're a race man-- >> i'm-- yeah, and i'm a race man. >> thanks very much. >> thank you. >> sunday. >> we're pioneers. >> the head of america's space agency charles bolden. >> we take science fiction and turn it into science fact. >> addressing nasa's critics. >> we are the best nation in the world when it comes to exploration. >> and mankind's next giant leap. >> we can become multi-planet species. >> every sunday night... >> i lived that character. >> go one on one with america's movers and shakers. >> we will be able to see change. >> gripping... inspiring...

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