the leadership and minis thing to prepare a response and a peace march, and that will be occurring in the next half-hour. it appears as if, one high school emptied out. what can you tell us? that's the case, there seems to have been through social media, through some of the students at the highest school, the desire to create some unrest at one of the malls in the country. right here. and that's what seemed to have facilitated what's going on. most of those young high school students are nowhere to be found at this point as reverend has indicated the tragedy, that we're seeing now seems to have fallen into the hands of others, and that's what is happening. do you think this is outside agitate tors? that was the school of thought

about what happened on saturday evening? do you think they have moved in? well, what i don't want to do is speculate. part of the source of the problem was ill plan he had timing rush to action by the city. you dismiss a multitude of schools at the same time. the kids come out of school, and that's not to justify the actions and, they are tense and dangerous situation. so i think the leader ship of the city, why would you dismiss multiple schools as if there was impending danger, and that frus frus -- frustrated and we don't stand behind what is going on now and we'll do our best, for come together, to shut it down. we're just spoken live, to two remarkable young men who

were both standing where you are, 5-years-old and i asked them to explain what happens to them in baltimore. and they went through it, in a most eloquent way, they feel, absolutely harassed by the police the whole time and they say, this would want be happening if the freddie gray went off but it isn't, there are multiple incidents. there's no doubt but that, the citizens of our community especially young males feel threatened and without a shadow of a doubt. and that's historical. always been a fear. and our job our position, as clergy and as mentors as men who have come of age is to try our best to dispel a myth, but with reality. so what's almost like a double-edged sword we need to

have the protection of you remember police officers and, we need their support and, at the same time, the advancements of video, and, that has brought to light a whole lot of these incidents that may have been swept under the rug. the police said, that it was made without any incident and then we saw the videotape, do you think that information people recording on their cellphones, this could have, at the end of the day be a catalyst for change. they didn't believe when police officers were brought before them for beating to death, people, in their custody and now it's seen. everybody sees it. you see them, they do do bad things. i think it will put a spotlight on the reality. it will call into question the conduct and theoff force that police produce across this country, what what has to

happen, is that we have to create a punitive measure that don't allow cameras to be off and contact without a camera, leads to immediate expulsion. i was talking about cellphone. video is the catalyst, that shows us the cruelty, and the dialogue, and the exchange. freddie gray did one thing. he ran while he was black. the crime that he committed was a crime to himself because he didn't run fast enough. unless police have developed extray technology, that you can connect eye contact and determine, that somebody has a knife, and that's a reason to pursue, our argument, the community's argument is that we want a fair shake. they say, if you run from the police, that's a guaranteed beating. without a shadow in the doubt, it might not be a beating

but it is going to be some type of inquiry and may result in a beating. now, do both of you want to see a curfew in the city by governor? i'll yield to the pastor. i'm not so sure, that would be an end all. but on a day like today what we are witnessing, it's like something, that we here, in america, would see in a distant language it might be something that would be worth considering it's up to our city mothers and fathers and our mayor, to make that decision, we're looking at a lot of what seems to be young adults at this point, and not just again high school students it might be worthy. we're waiting for a news conference from the mayor. what -- what would you like to hear her say? i would like to hear her say that the situation is well under control.

that the responses to crime and violence will be immediate and that she has restrained the officers so they aren't attacking, and i think she's well capable and has the care, and concerns and the passions of the community on her heart. and we believe she'll do the right thing. it's difficult because would he have 7 officers very seriously injured and one unresponsive. that's bad. again, without a doubt. and, the concern of course is, that our mayor and those leaders will find a way to bring this to a peaceful end. the sense is, that we are spiritual people and, we'll be praying as best we can and we do have a press conference and we'll be doing that. when you have young men driving past us, shouting i bet they'll listen now. i bet they'll listen now. that implies that it's going to go on.

no you hear frustration. we may see the fizzle right now. it has the potential to be controlled. we are the websites that determine how it is controlled. and the police's response to what we see as wrongdoing will determine, the ultimate outcome. okay. thank you very much for joining us. thank you so much. tony, back to you. okay, that was terrific. very insightful. that was well worth a listen. we've got pastor bryant on the line and, we'll talk to him in just a moment, he offered a eulogy today. and i want you to hear what some of his comments were, at at the end of that service, when he was made aware of of it.

disappointing we're hours out of the funeral and, hours after putting their son to rest and, to come just a few blocks away and disappointing. and i'm hoping to bring some calm and bring our young people back into calm. it is one, this is not what the family asked for today of all days, this was a day of sacred closure in the funeral so for us to come out of the burial and walk into this, is inexcusable. and i'm asking every young person to go home and tomorrow we'll have a meeting and peace is the call and the order of the day. we're going for chop this up a bit. and the executive director, dante. and we know that area, really well, in baltimore.

worked there a couple years and, taught many students and most of my students hail from baltimore. when we talk about that frustration, that anger that, we see spilling out onto the streets we have to give it some context and, it is not what you saw, on television. you know this, tony, better than anybody. baltimore is two cities, inner harbor and the tourists love, and the orioles. and my students, i remember asking for 7 years, how many of you nobody somebody that has been shot 95% knew them. and dante is nodding his head and, most of them knew multiple people that have died. the anger is not only trying to survive high school and seeing on television, the american dream and it doesn't belong to you. dante, what's your thoughts?

and give us your context. yeah, as we see the headlines, and, i think, his comments just recently, just highlight what, the ultimate question, what is violence? and, baltimore didn't just turn violent, it was always violent. this was a response to violence, of black and brown people, that feel everyday because of the war on drugs and it affections black people and, not just law enforce men, and economic deprivation and, homeless, and not having good jobs. so, when i look at what's happening, right now, this is an ultimat uprise that go we see not only in baltimore but in ferguson and, the very conditions, that were around ferguson around the reason why they were up rising, exist in

baltimore as well. so this up rising right now is happening, and will continue to happen -- you believe it will happen. especially because right now, every -- you don't think that law enforcement, that the first african-american president and woman to head the justice department won't say hey let's work this thing out? there has to be somebody that they'll listen to, and the problem is, there is a us versus them mentality. and the person that you're talking about is the africa ann. president and it is still them. the skin color has changed and the sense that you are against us, has not and, that's what i heard. tell me what you see when you look at this picture. look at this picture. people are frustrated.

and everyday, they're hearing another black person, a black man, being killed by a police officer, may or may not be held accountable. what does -- cellphone. at this point, people are frustrated. what is the appropriate level of response to violence? what is the appropriate level of response to deal with a level of violence, that is hurt black and brown people everyday, not just in the form of police. two questions. i want to take it up with the reverend bryant. he may not remember.

this is not reflective of the call for justice. it does not reflect police reform and it does not honor freddie gray, we were very specific on this day. and make the wishes are that we would have a more my heart is broken into a million pieces because this is not reflective of the citizens of baltimore the movement, that we have been

pushing the last 7 days, or the drinks that we intend to go. i want you to speak, i'm going to have dante speak directly to you and i want you to speak to one another because we have a divide right here, because, what dante is saying, is what we're seeing here, is a reflex of years of frustration at the hands of what he describes as state sponsored violence against african-americans and, you make the point, better than i do. i think there's a distinction that we need to make, i think around, one, what does the family, define as justice and how do we support their effort? but, also, how do we support the community's effort, that have recognized that this is a systemic issue. that happened, to freddie gray, is happening to mike brown and

oscar grant and, all the people. so there's -- okay. so there's a distinks that we need to make. and let me suggest to you for racism and prison pipeline, i don't know in what union versus that that would line up for looting, and taking cellphones, and we cannot go to lawlessness because of opressing and because of barriers, that gives license, to completely abanto be the law. we have never, as a people, found ourselves in reckless undisciplined behavior to be a reflex of our way of overall change. and i think it lives us to a notion, that we are a lawless

people, with no standards and i oppose the principal. i didn't -- i didn't say anything about breaking a law and, condoning. and, what is your appropriate response, to state sanctioned violence, that has been per pitch waited and not just in this context of freddie gray but, what is, how do you respond to that? i think there's a level of respectability there that we need to equate, how do you best respond to violence, that's per pitch waited on people and they are just frustrate the. let me add another note here. we talked to two young black men she who expressed that level of frustration, that, he is speaking to, right now. they were simply saying, enough is enough.

you can't -- you can't run from the police, and 30 minutes later, be fighting for your life. they're going to kill us anyway. regardless of whether or not we'll be respected we can be respectable. take that on. i agree that we have hit what they call the tipping-point, to that end, i think, we're on the exact same page. but, i think that, absolutely, no conditions, that justifieses looting and rioting. and i think justice as dante has expressed has to be qualified. does that mean 6 people are arrested? does that mean the police commissioner is release sned. there's a complete overhaul? i agree. and all i'm saying is i think that rioting and looting is just

another form of injustice. there is no doubt that, nobody, in their right mind, would condone what they are seeing on the television. but, i want the audience to focus on what they may not be seeing every door that i'm looking at the right and left is, boarded up. it's block upon block of houses, in baltimore, that are boarded up, or bricked up with people still living inside of them and my question to you, as a community leader, did you think that, city hall, the police chief and even the white house did enough to answer the question to diffuse the tipping point, that we are at in the did they do enough to take the center off of baltimore because so much has gone so wrong. no, it has and, i think that while i'm out in the street, the mayor needs to be out in the streets and some answers have to be provided.

but the longer we go, with absolutely no resolve, and no answers, i think this is only going to escalate because, it is just compounded frustration. yeah. locks i got a couple of other thoughts for you. how do you move forward? how do you move forward because, dante is frustrated and he's been with us for months now, and the 7 -- the 7 months, since -- mike brown was killed. a report from the justice department about the police force and activity, and pattern and practice. and, cleveland ohio, i suspect you could offer the same kind of report for baltimore maryland. and you have been in that community for a long time, what needs to happen to improve

relations between this community, and the baltimore city police department? for one, i think there has to be some acknowledgement on the behalf of the police department, on what's gone wrong, we haven't heard any own enter ship and, that will begin that healing process we have not heard any apology or ownership. we are now nine days out and, we have not heard from the precinct captain about what took place, on that day? so, i think there's a whole lot that needs to happen, outside of a press conference, and some illusive investigation. but, these police are going to have to really turn all the way down humble themselves and be reminded of who it is they work for which is the citizens of baltimore. but, let me ask this question and, there is a group

of people, that are screaming at the television set and they are the people that are not breaking the law, and they want those same police, to come in and break up this crowd that is now looting the store who speaks for them? the representatives, and the police is, in fact, a specialty of fathers, and they represent all of the citizens, and so you have to do is dealing and surgery at the same time and we're, in the recovery, room of something has to take place. we have a situation, that is now he is ska lating that i have to attend, i have to excuse myself. we have gone up to another level. i have to give redress. reverend bryant. thank. i want to know what that is. i remember his days when he

was one of the youth leaders for the naacp. yes. and i think that's part of the problem, which is that, there are so many diverse populations, that are dying, to be heard and one of the problems always enters into the equation, who speaks for who? he speaks to the people of his congregation and the community. and the people that you are ceiling, spilling out into the street, right now and, this is where the professor had no voice, when you ask somebody, what did you see during the course of your lifetime? they have seen, five, six seven of their friends gunned down and, went to funerals, and that's the neighborhood that they live in, that nobody knew about it. 1999 nancy ray began said, let's say no to drugs and, for the world all is over. but, in baltimore the battle

still continues and that's what you are seeing. you are not seeing a struggle that began with freddie gray. i look at this, and, you know, as a kid of not that neighborhood but of that city. grew up in west baltimore, and i know the streets pretty well. attended douglas city high school and mall is right across the street. how many people have approached you young african-americans and, they say you work at al jazera, i'm going to give you my resume, get me a job. there's not a problem that we're looking at right now that isn't fixed with a better education system, and kids getting a better education and jobs. but they can't. they can't get the better education and, they can't get the jobs and dante is nodding. yes, look i did a film.

and i was able to point out, in that film, a pattern, of racism. against african-american boys, in that city. and, we know. he said education transforms lives and it is so true, and as i'm looking at these pictures and, these young men i'm thinking boy i have to get you in a classroom. i have to get an education system that works for you. i lost three students to violence. one brought a gun to class and, walked out after threatening, another student and, that weekend he was dead.

we all grew up with our grandmother smacking us upside the head, and, what i'm trying to do is, offer by way of explanation to an audience, that must be looking at their set and saying, how could this happen again? well, you know, dante, first of all, a couple notes and then i want for get to you. the president has spoken with -- with the mayor and has offered all the resources to her of the federal government. and things are in the works but the president has spoken to the mayor. we expect to hear something from the mayor soon. i have to ask you this question. this is a movement and i agree with you.

i don't think this is ending anytime soon. somethingstructure raleigh is amiss here, it seems to me. and where do you see this movement -- travon, there was anger and frustration, over travon martin's death but there's something about this dynamic with police involved, and, this whole question of abuse of power, and african-americans have been aware of this for years and years and years. but, now, it is getting its fullest expression, in my lifetime in the aftermath this time around. and i don't know that everyone, and you do, but i want you to explain, how this is internallized. and how really significant this moment is, to the people

who are watching because i think it is really significant. yeah so, this is not going to end. this is just another peak in the work in the movement. and i would argue that, this movement really started with the death of travon, and young people, i just turned 27, and so, i have grown up, in an america, that has killed troy davis and many other people like him. and women as well. so, troy davis and hurricane katrina and, all these names, names names. and travon martin. and. because this is the whole issue about policing. and when we look at the fundamental history around how police were created, they are

created, initially as slave catchers. the very same badge is the same badge, that slave catchers worry earlier in the 19th century. so, this is deeper than just about mr. friendly, officer friendly and, this is much deeper than george zimmerman. i want to pick up, on this thought. and, please, please, hang onto that. joseph is with us, with the paper. good for have on you program, first of all, you have been through something i understand you had a experience with getting pepper-sprayed while you were doing your job. tell me what happened to you? yeah, that was today. i was over at the police line, and i tend to get pretty close, and, they were deploying pepper-spray and pellets and so

i had to wander around for 20, 30 minutes until it cleared out. it was really, yeah, if was really like a war-zone over there. let me do this. it's not head area hype. walk me through the specifics of this, and what police line, where were you? i want to know where you were in the city? okay so, the just a little i'll give you a quick background we received information that a local school near where freddie gray, after his funeral they were going to have a walk out and the kids walked out at 2:30, and 3:00. and the police were deployed with riot gore and, they had bottles throne at them, and the entire riot moved to north avenue, and pennsylvania, and

passing through and the police became more militarizes. they have 7 down. and one seriously hit. he or she but they were unconscious. and i don't believe they have arrested any protestors yet and, it was a pretty hard line when they were marching and they have been deploying riot tactics today. which side were you on? police line side or were you in the crowd of young people who were moving in the drinks of the cops? yeah well, i take photographs. and i don't take sides. i was on the outside of the police line. yeah. i was on the outside. a lot of media were on the other side of the police line, and i managed to stay, right in the front lines of