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ideologically, i was a just mess. i'd be around a bunch of people i would start acting like them and talking like them and just doing everything they were doing. and then they'd move me to a different place and i'd just adapt to the new neighborhood. >> they're obsessed with our shoes. >> all of us as physicians particularly as psychiatrists and as senior officers get too much experience with people who are highly manipulative. so i asked myself, when i met omar, where is the manipulation. not if there is a manipulation where is the manipulation.
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>> as he was being questioned by the americans, he was of course given water to drink. but then he was not allowed to urinate and he had to at some point, felt that his bladder was going to burst and he was told he had to urinate on the floor and then after he urinated on the floor he was told well now he had to clean it up and he was not given towels or allowed to take his
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shirt off but he had to in fact sort of roll around in it to clean up the urine on the floor. that's what has been described as the human mop technique >> and i just couldn't believe what had happened to him. you know and here's a young man, younger than my own children who's been there at that point for six years. >> if you were tortured like i was tortured you'd probably say more than what i said. >> tell me something that can help me...that can show my government that you're willing to help us...against a group of people who are being on doing bad things to us. >> do you want me to lie? >> i don't want you to lie i just want you to tell the truth >> i told you the truth. you don't like the truth. >> everybody recognized. the prisoners and the
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soldiers. those who were true to themselves. those who were true understood that there are rules of children at war that the american military and everybody else is supposed to study and know. >> we have over 1200 american soldiers killed in afghanistan and we've made a 15 year-old boy pay for that.
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he was the only sole survivor what would you expect him to do. >> when any kind of firefight happens, anybody who's still standing is fair game, because anybody who is not taking part in it is going to have to have cover right? >> i mean this is a war, you're shooting at him why can't he shoot at you? if you killed three why can't he kill one? i mean why does nobody say you killed three of his friends why does everybody say he killed an american soldier? >> we're going to hold terrorists accountable when they kill american military forces. he's a terrorist. >> when i took the job >> i came in believing the whole worst of the worst mantra. >> you'll see evidence when we get into the courtroom of the smiling face of omar khadr as he builds bombs to kill americans. >> for the first eight years there was the one memory that i had, and i just took it as being the fact until once we got into court and witnesses started talking. i heard different versions of
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what happened. i lost conscious for over a week and i got bombed out is my memory more accurate than a soldier who was actually there? on one side, i killed another person and on the other side i didn't. so it does make a huge difference. >> it's a mockery of justice. we had the fix in from start to finish. no evidence of torture was permitted; he was eviscerated of any defense. >> in order to conclude this is a rigged system, i think you have to infer that the president, the congress me my prosecutors the judge, the jury the convening authority, the court of military commissions review the dc circuit court of appeals and the us supreme court are all corrupt. >> i felt like mickey mouse at disney world. you know they wanted to call this military, to justify having a second rate process.
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and so in order to call it military somebody had to put on the costume. the joke we used to make was that you gotta lose to win cause if you get charged as a war criminal and convicted... there have been what 7 people that have been convicted and sentenced, five of seven aren't at guantanamo now. so if you actually get charged and convicted as a war criminal you've got a five in seven chance of going home. if you're never charged with a crime, you can spend the rest of your life sitting at guantanamo which is extraordinarily ironic. >> i persuaded omar to plead guilty to take a deal. he didn't want it. one of his first thoughts was 'the canadian public will believe i'm a terrorist.' and i said to him, if you don't do a plea you'll spend the rest of your life here.
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>> well that was the only way out. we tried to fight it twice and both times they just suspended it and - so i knew that i was never going to be charged in a military commissions. the only way to get my case resolved was to take a plea deal. >> eight years. one year in guantanamo and the rest to come back to canada. >> there is no injustice that was done up until 2010 when we went down there for trial and offered the plea deal bargain. well i thought that might be an injustice because that was what i felt was a political decision. they did not want him to be the first one tried. they didn't want the 'guantanamo child' as the first one tried. >> he as i said, will forever be a murder in my eyes and in my children's eyes. my entire family. >> omar khadr is a well-known supporter of the al qaeda terrorist network and a
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convicted terrorist. >> the khadr family was viewed as canada's first family of terror and no one was really rallying to bring him home. >> my family is, they are very opinionated and that's not always a smart thing. they have said things that was not very smart and they shouldn't have said. >> i'd like you to go and meet kids on the street who have nothing to do with anything and tell them would you like to die in your bed or die as a shaheed? >> as a martyr? >> yeah, and see what he'd answer you. >> any child. >> and muslim. >> even if simple, very simple and naive. yeah it's heaven. it's heaven, you know? >> i had been in guantanamo for 10 years and if there is any place where i was going to be brainwashed was in guantanamo.
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where i only had only one source of influence and that was not necessarily the healthiest and i think i did okay. here i live in canada, my family is only one source of influence but i have a million other influence so i don't think people should worry about my family. if anybody is going to be affected i think they might be affected by me. and not the other way around. i hope so anyways. >> his notoriety or his fame or infamy or whatever you want to call it in guantanamo is one that has been created for him by those who are holding him. he didn't do it himself or nothing that he has really done in incarceration in custody that has made his case more prominent than anybody else's his circumstances are what's made that happen and his
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treatment and who he was when it started, i.e. being a child, the child who grew into a man in guantanamo knows nothing other than that. >> you raise your children to own up to what they do. accept responsibility for it. ask forgiveness. and we don't conduct ourselves that way as a country. and it really just bewilders me. there's a saying that's attributed to gandhi it's 'through our suffering, they're going to see the error of their ways. through our injustice they'll see the error of their ways' and it was through omar's injustice that definitely i started to see the error of my ways and that was definitely - he already helped me in that sense of regaining my humanity was partially because of him. i guess i want to thank him for that.
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>> after a decade-long legal battle omar khadr is back in canada. >> this whole transfer has been quite a shock to his system. at least in guantanamo he had some camaraderie from fellow muslims. and the moment he's arrived on canadian soil, there was an attempt to stab him in milhaven prison and then i was able to negotiate his transfer to edmonton and since he's arrived in edmonton his life has been miserable. this white supremacist has threatened him. i have never met anybody who has been so abused and so abandoned
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by so many who should know better than omar khadr. >> this guy came up to me and he told me ' you killed a soldier and my family is in the military and i'm going to punch you'. there was a mistake and my door got opened and he got that chance and he kind of punched me in the face. >> i try not to dwell on the past. it was either that or be engulfed in hate and misery and think of how bad life is. but that's not going to get me anywhere. i tried to think about things that will hopefully make my life and hopefully the life of people around me better. >> one more question. >> what do you have to say to this man who's been with you for a long time? >> he's an amazing man and i really appreciate him working
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for the last 11 years. i'm surprised he's not sick of me yet. >> wait until you get your bill. okay goodnight. >> the problem with what i'm saying is people are just going to think that i'm fake you know you go through a struggle, you go through a trauma you're going to be bitter you're going to hate some people it's just the normal thing to do and this guy - not having these natural emotions is probably hiding something. >> it's exciting and he's just trying to find his new balance so i'm sure it will be great for him to have a chat with you. >> hey you give me a hug. how are you? >> hey this shirt looks nice you found it? >> so what time did you get to sleep? >> you don't want to know. >> like 4:30? 5? >> 5. i could've stayed up all night. i said i still feel that i'm on a
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freedom high i can just go on a - i'm tempted to see how long i can go without sleeping. >> don't. you've done that once before years ago, it's not a good thing. >> now it's a different situation. >> how much do you want? all of it? >> no no well i'm with you. >> well i don't eat breakfast. >> that's enough. normally it's not pork. >> no it's halal beef. >> oh, i thought you said you don't eat pork. >> no, i said i don't eat breakfast. >> really? >> not very much. >> this is the meal of the day. >> i know. >> it has to be greasy too. >> greasy? that's not my style, thanks i try not to. >> get out of bed you lazy bum. oh he's up. >> we've been waiting for you forever. it takes you forever to get...
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>> do you know what a 10 o'clock curfew is? >> yeah. >> it means you've got to be in your bed by 10 o'clock. >> he blew that one. leave him alone that's his. >> no, no you can have some. >> and what is this complaint i hear about you that we're not feeding you enough? >> that's why he wanted 3 eggs. >> what did you say to my wife? you feel you're on a hunger strike here? >> you're just blowing everything eh? no secrets. >> i'm sorry i'm sorry. there are no secrets here. >> oops i just about pulled the thing with me. >> you just about what? oh boy that's not going to be fun. >> i have to plug it in once a week 24 hours, for 2 hours.
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>> but i never get around to - i plug it here and there. initially i was really opposed to it, but its part of life for the time being anyways. you just cover it up and go about your day. >> i don't wish people to love me i don't wish people to hate me i just wish for people to just give me a chance. >> even though i don't like to think of myself that i've been institutionalized but in a lot of ways, in certain ways, i have been. >> i've been accustomed to just staying on the path, not deviating, doing the same thing day in and day out. like in guantanamo buildings are very close so when you look up there's always building around somewhere so i almost forgot how immense the sky was.
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right now it's even larger. >> i would like to be given a chance. punishment i don't know i don't - i've done 13 years and... police is here. yep, the cops are here they're going to want me to stand out there and show myself. >> hello. >> welcome and to let you know that again, we do know that you're here and we wish you all the best. our hope is that everything is going to go very well and i guess to reassure you as well there sir, that i know how you're feeling
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about your experiences but we are here to help. >> so if we go away for a week's holiday, we'll just send him down to you? >> oh well don't know about that, but - like i said, if anything arises where someone is less than friendly or you do encounter someone where...here are some bumps that come up, please do let us know and we can help you out as best we can. >> thanks. >> people were saying cops are bad. >> we're here to work with you. >> thank you very much. >> alright mr khadr good luck to you >> thank you very much. best of luck to you guys. have a good night. >> thank you very much. i'm patricia. >> for the longest time, all i would tell to anybody is that i wish that i could just get out of prison and just be the next joe on the street who nobody knows and nobody gives a second look or thought to. that would be my ideal life.
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>> it's carbonated water? >> ya, i'll show you how i make it. >> you have to show him how to wash dishes too. >> don't you worry. >> you gotta love something in life and i love soccer. what do you love? >> it's abstract i don't have anything materialistic yet. like i like goodness i like peace i like happiness i like joy. it's all abstract ideas. i'm still new in the material world so - i'm still going to have to figure out what i love. >> what about people? haven't you interacted with human beings in the last number of years? >> yeah, i like people. >> those are beautiful things that he just said. what? just ignore dennis. >> my glasses. >> we live in a different world, me and dennis.
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>> i wouldn't wish this experience on anybody, but i have a hard time thinking about wishing that i haven't gone through this experience like people say 'hypothetically if you could go back would you change anything?' i would change the firefight maybe, but wouldn't that change a lot of things? like i've come to know wonderful people i've come to know myself because of this experience. it's a very hard trade for me, but things happen for a reason and sometimes you have to fall to be able - or to appreciate standing upright. >> it's been an incredible journey between me and dennis. and it's just the beginning.
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>> this guy's not gonna be easy. you know he's a khadr. he's got a stubborn streak in him. >> that's what kept me surviving. >> i'm gonna - oh - it's stuck. oh there we go. so that's one of the basic skills i'm going to learn, is how to open my window. >> my problem right now is i'm trying to do everything all at the same time. i don't know if i'm worried or subconsciously worried that it's not gonna last or i'm just
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hungry to experience everything all at once. in a few days, i'm gonna cool down and start taking things a little bit slower and try to enjoy the small things around. >> the effects of the incarceration, i don't think they manifested in day to day life. they manifested at night when you're alone with your thoughts and they all come rushing back when you're not busy. and that's when it happens and it still happens from time to time, the effects of that. but most people don't get to see that. i think for omar it might be quite different because for a significant portion of life i think probably now the majority of his life, he's been more a prisoner than not. so he will require a great deal more support. >> i know this is real
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but i've been living in prison for 12 years or 13 years and i've been carrying myself in a particular way for that long and it's going to take some - hopefully not too long it's going to take some time to kind of ease up and let that guard down. you know one of those days i'm just going to jump under the bed or crawl under the bed and just cry my eyes out. >> the cops is a legalized gang... it makes me scared for everybody >> fear and distrust in baltimore...
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