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♪ the last vote has been cast as the greek people say whether it's yes or no to the country's multi-million dollar bail-out deal. >> hello. good to have you along. you are watching al jazeera live from london. also in the next 30 minutes: >> we are yet where we need to be on several of the most difficult issues. u.s. secretary of state says agreement with iran is close but it it could go either way. as relatives prepare to mark the
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anniversary, the bosnia serb leader calls it all a lie. we look at some of the latest sites to be awarded world heritage status by the united nations. vote can has finished in terms of the country's international bail-out deal. i will give you figures we have just got from what they call an exit poll. spooishlth 52% say they are against the deal. >> that's a no vote. 48% have said they are in favor of the deal. it was a symbol for or against the bail-out put forward by international creditors. casting his vote in athens the prime minister alexis cyprian said agrees was determined to take its destiny into its own hands. jonah hull reports. >> reporter: from the country that gave the world democracy comes a referendum that may mean
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the world to greece. >> there is a program by germany from commission and so europe and we cannot continue with these rules. >> i want to be in europe. >> okay. okay. >> it is a simple yes or no that has set greeks apart between those who fear losing what they've got and those who feel they have nothing left to give. >> os face of it, this is just a vote about the terms of the new bail-out for greece. yes, we are prepared to accept the terms or no, we think we should go and negotiating and try for a better deal. it hardly seems like a matter of life or death. >> yet for some it is a defining moment. this is our only chance to give an answer to europe to say no
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to the bail-out no to slavery, no country ever disappeared because of bankruptcy. so we are not afraid to vote no. no to everybody. no to germany. no to merkle. >> a decisive no is what prime minister alexis tsipras was hoping for when he called this referendum one week ago. he and his finance minister believe a greek no will strengthen their hands in demanding a new deal from the country's creditors, one that will ease the debt burden greece simply cannot afford to bear. the greek people today send a very strong message, a message of dignity and decisiveness, the message that it has a choice in the hand. >> but what exactly is that choice? in the creditor cabtols, brussels berlin frankfurt and washington, the vote is being seen as an in/out referendum on the euro. >> what i don't understand and
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our government has not been clear about it is if it actually has to do with saying yes or no to europe or the euro or anything like that. we belong in europe. we need europe and europe needs us. >> all for one and one for all. the words in childish paint strokes at, at polling station. on this day, greece finds itself divided and alone. jonah hull al jazeera, athens. >> let us bring in the analyst with open europe joining me in the studio. we have just seen on the screens of one of the greek t.v. stations out with 52% saying no to the terms of the deal. 48% yes. of course, that is just a telephone exit poll. it doesn't give us very much except perhaps to say it's going to be pretty close whichever way it goes. >> i know. and whatever the result is the bottom line is there is no good option for the greek people because even if it is a yes and
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they, thereby, continue to have those talks with creditors, the fundamental problem is that greek debt is unsustainable. so any kind of deal going forward can only be an extend ant. it won't be long until greece is in the situation where it's been where creditors and the greek government is at odds about what to do again. >> let us assume that it is going to go the way of the note voters because we have had three exit polls which paint a pretty similar picture. if that happens, alexis tsipras has the backing but not a ringing endorsement, where do you think it happens after that? what do you think happens after that? >> it takes us one step closer toward a greek exit leading up to the referendum the eurozone politicians were very clear this is not about a package which already expired when the second bail-out expired but that it is about greece's future in the
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eurozone. some leaders tempered what they said today. >> includes the spanish prime minister and, indeed the french -- francis hollande said we will talk to greece even if it is a no vote that does not put our question our membership of the eurozone in to question but i think merkel will beg to differ and we will see what happens. >> so basically nothing has changed. greece is not paying the terms of the bail-out deal. it's not paying its creditors. the greek people are unhappy about austerity. the germans are saying you are not going to get any more money as of the imf and other creditors. you are pretty sure it is going to lead to sort of a grexit a greek exit or is there a pos possibility that europe's stanchion will soften? >> the counterpart to austerity in greece would be fiscal transfers. of course, that's illegal under eu law. this is what in the lead-up to
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the referendum the creditors are clear any kind of deal wouldn't be much improved on what was their final offer. of course when the tsipras came into office they promised the people they could retain membership of the euro as well as cut austerity. given the no bail-out clauses and the fact the eurozone is not a transfer union, that's not compatible. so, the election promiseses they need. they cfo we are not compatible with eurozone but if it is a no they will try to use that as leverage. they don't want to leave the eurozone but whether the other leaders will accept that we will have to see. that would be accepting a massive liability for their taxpayers. >> nina thank you. we are going to talk to our correspondent correspondent, barnaby phillips on the phone from athens pretty close to whichever way it's going to go, barnaby but according to the polls, it does appear that the no camp has the upper hand at the moment. i would imagine this is an
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extraordinary sense of anticipation whichever way is going to go in greece barnaby. >> yes. that sense of anticipation has been building steadily throughout the week ever since mr. tsipras made his announcement last weekend and throughout the day. i have felt the tension go up a notch with every parting hour. as you said we are dealing with exit polls and opinion polls with a relatively small sample of voters and it's still within a margin of error. so we've got to be cautious. i can tell you that i have bumped into a government minister within the last half hour, and he was looking confident. he said we are winning, and when he means "we," he means that will be a no vote. >> will be an "ache as we say in greece. i have heard the yes vote may have been closing in on the no votes towards the ends of the day's voting.
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we will simply have to see. >> barnaby, if the no votes campaign does win -- and it's pretty close -- what kind of a mandate aid does that give the greek prime minister who we see on our screens now and what is he likely to do next in terms of talking to those people to whom greece 0 such vast quantities of money? >> well, i think it's important to say that if there is a no vote by any margin this is an extra overheard act of defiance by the greek people of what european leaders have been telling them to do throughout the last week. german governments, other government did have said quite explicitly that this is a vote between the euro and the dragma. this is a vote to stay in the euro or not. they have not heeded that advice. now, whether that was wise or whether that was principled whether that was foolish or not we will have to discuss. it's also a decision that the greek people would have taken in
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the face of pretty heavy media coverage here in greece david, which has urged people to vote yes. certainly the private commercial media which dominates in this country has drummed home that message, and so this would be a moment of triumph for alexis tsipras. if we take him at his word, he will be going back to europe, to brussels tomorrow on tuesday, with a mandate from the greek people and are they really going to close the door on him? we know that they don't like him. we know that they don't trust his government. we know that they find it incredibly difficult to negotiate with this government and, my word they wish it had fallen tonight, but if it hasn't are they really going to shut the door on him and effectively, the greek people he will say? the ball would be in europe's court, and that's where he would prefer it was. >> well it is only 10 minutes or so, barnaby sits those voting
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booths close that they started counting. we have had what is called a bre preliminary t exit poll and thank you, barnaby phillips to reiterate to our viewers. so far, three separate telephone poles, exit polls, opinion polls, call them what you will showing that 52% of those sampled have said no to the terms of the bail-out deal the multi-billion dollar bail-out deal. different numbers but all pretty much in favor of the no vote as barnaby said it would be an extraordinary act of defiance by the greek people to europe's leader. >> more on that throughout the course of the next you few hours here on al jazeera. but there is another story that's moving pretty rapidly at the moment. those negotiators who are trying to iron out a nuclear deal with iran are continuing talks in vienna days before their self-imposed tuesday deadline. u.s. secretary of state john kerry, we saw him limping out, talking to journists in vienna
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he says an agreement is the pretty close. iran has to make hard choices in the days ahead and that a deal could be locked in perhaps. trying to tell them what kind of nuclear research iran can pursue. james bays listening to what john kerry had to say, it appeared he was trying to tell the iranian negotiators, you are being stubborn, in his opinion about a couple of matters which could sort this out once and for all we are going to walk away unless you change it the tact and fall in line a little bit more. >> reporter: absolutely, david a last bit of drama in all of this as we come up to the deadline. we have had so many deadline and so many deadline have been extended. but the current deadline is tuesday. this isn't an interim deal.
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this supposed to be the final dole that will will govern iran's nuclear program and is supposed to make sure it stays a civilian program, not a military program, over 10 years and the period the clear message from john kerry was that there have to be some very important decisions made in the next few days because this so far is not a done deal. >> it's now time to see whether or not we are able to close close an agreement n many ways this negotiation has been going on for literally a number of years. over the past few days we have in fact, made genuine progress. but i want to be absolutely clear with everybody. we are not why where we need to be on several of the most difficult issues. the truth is that while i
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completely agree with foreign minister zarif, that we have never been closer at this point this negotiation could go either way. if hard choices get made in the next couple of days and made quickly, we could get an agreement this week. but if they are not made we will not. >> we are not where we need to be. the words of john kerry, now he's talking, i think, about the very last bits of this deal but as we have been saying all along, through this long tort tortuous process, the last bids would be the hardest bits and among the problems we know in this last phase is the whole idea of policing the deal the iea chief recently came back from tehran, a part of the u.n. that deals with nuclear matters. they would be the ones
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inspected. where would they be allowed to go for years about iran's nuclear program. the other aspect of this which is causing troubleing trouble in the whole round is the sequencing of sanctions. iran wants sanctions lifted right now. the other countries say, no. we want you to comply. we want you to show that you are pursuing a civilian nuclear program. we want to shut down the centrifuges. that was agreed in lozanne and then we will lift the sanctions. i think the way they are working now is they will set a date in the future when the sanctions will be lifted but by that point, iran should have completely complied. that's what they are working on. but trying to finesse that has been a defendant difficult matter. what will happen is the foreign ministers from the p5+ 1.
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the other companies negotiating on the behalf of the international community with iran. they are coming back here. sticking points on sheets of paper. these aren't technical. these are political decisions that need to be made. >> just a few hours, dave left. thank you. for now james bays. dozens have been held in ramadi. the airstrikes hit a football field. ramadi is the capitol of anbar province which israel took full control up -- which isil took full control of at the end of may. >> there has been fighting continuing near fallujah and ramadi and a pattern of iraqi airstrikes including according to local sources, banned barrel bombs that have been increasing killing civilians.
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artillery and airstrikes against those cities. they appear to be in populated civilian areas. one was in fallujah in ramadi near a football field where young men had gathered after ramahdan. playing football in other games when airstrikes hit. the iraqi government says they were aching at isil fighters. locals say there were so some. they say most were the civil yajz. >> that was jane arraf reporting. still to come in this program . >> i am lucia newman in he can wad dor, the first step of pope francis's week long tour of south america where millions of catholics have abandoned the church.
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>> good to have you with us. these are the global headlines. voting is finished in the greek bail-out referendum with the first opinion polls showing a narrow victory for the no vote. john kerry says quote, the time is now to strike a final dealing with iran for violence in iran as dozens are killed in government airstrikes otis ill ill -- on the isil city ramadi. >> now some say, the genocide
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the biggest mass killing in world war ii 8,000 muslim men and boys were murdered in what was supposed to be a u.n.-protected enclave in july 1995. here is our report have vickdorey i can't gaten be. >> this is speaking at a commemoration service, serbs killed during bosnian's civil war. in 1995, it was not a genocide it's an oprijected by the international community as well as by the families of victims and survivors a search for the remains of her son, last she heard of 26-year-old nino was that he was wounded as he escaped from serbian forces. it's a long period of time especially for someone who is still searching. each year i have thought this
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july 11th, i will bury him. i felt the same the next year and the year after that. it's been 20 years now, and i still haven't buried him. >> it was a u.n. protected muslim town in bosnia surrounded by serbian forces throughout the war between 1992 and 1995. sush troops invaded the town on july 11th, 1995, forcing thousands of bosnian muslims to leave. united nations peacekeepers looked on as sushians looked on as they were murdered. maladich was indicted in his part for what became the worst atrocity in europe since the second world war. recently hundreds of bodies have been identified using dna evidence allowing some relatives to grief properly. many remain unidentified. >> i would be satisfied if i found a single bone so that i
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can bury him at the place i keep reserved for him next to my husband. >> during this week's commemoration, the new idea remains of 136 people killed here will be buried. for the families and the genocide survivors it will be another painful moment. she can only wait and hope one day she will bury her son millions, in fact billions of these and millions of greeks now saying whether they want to stay part of the austerity package if we go back to athens reminding our viewers that the no camp the group that wants to say, we don't want any more part of this package, this austerity package appears to be leading. early days. 25 minutes. as you said earlier on, i
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thought it would give tsipras a mandate. you have to do something about it. that's right. but can they do business with alexis tsipras. negotiations have got no where. there is no trust between him and the creditors no faith in europe that the government can implement the kinds of reforms they are demanding. all of this is taking place in the context of great urgency. banks have not been open in this country for a week now. are they really going to open on tuesday? on the back of a no vote a vote which we had been warned would be some form of financial catastrophe? so many questions.
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i am going to try to bring in my guest at this point, professor serafin of harvard business school from grease originally. let me ask you about the banks first. if we have had a no vote can you see some form of normality returning straight totaway, or do you fear more insecurity in the coming week? >> i think it will be practically impossible for the banks to reopen and have controls this week. everything tomorrow from the decision of the european central bank. if it doesn't extend more liquidity, there is no way it will reopen this week. actually, what you will find is that because the atms will have no more money even the limit of 60 lyras per day will be cancelled. people won't have the ability to withdraw any money. we depend on european central bank and my understanding is that the european central bank
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to extend assistance they need grease to be on the program with the european commission and the amf. for that reason, for the government to go really quickly back to the creditors and strike a deal it becomes extremely important. >> it's hypothetical but if there has been a defendant no vote as i was telling our viewers then there was a huge problem of trust. can they overcome it now in the crisis situation? >> i think it's going to be very, very difficult. i have been screaming my lungs out in the past five months. we need to build trust. we need to build trust. for the past six years, we have been given as a country more than 200 billion euros and we have implemented extreme austerity measures that have been unfair to the greek people. but actually what has happened is that the institutions have failed the greek people and they have failed to channel efficiently their sacrifice and work. it has been a defendant disaster. so right now we are in a stage
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where after all of the sacrifices, we are going back again, asking for more money. can we implement the reforms? i think from both parties, it has -- trust has completely evaporated. it will be very hard to strike a deal. i do really hope within the next 24 hours or within the next 48 hours, it is going to be incredibly important for the people of greece but this doesn't seem very likely right now. >> if mr. tsipras has won and there has been a defendant no vote and we most certainly saying if. he will be he will be demanding debt relief as well. is that something penal governments can live with? >> i think right now, the challenge of the european government is facing is that they need to go back to their taxpayers and ask for the debt relief. they need to go back to their taxpayers and say we need to spend your tax pairs' money. let's not forget back in 2012,
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there was a debt relief decree more than 100 billion eur on. s and the lots were borne by private investors back then. now, it's a different indicates because actually most of the loans and most of the loans are actually held by either bilateral loans from european government did or from the european financial stability firm or the european central bank. effectively the difference now is that the european leaders need to go back to their taxpayers and say, you need to step in and give us your money to direct to greece. i am not a politician but i think that probably makes it politically very very difficult for them. >> professor, from harv vard university, thank you very much a fast-moving story, david. stay with us throughout the evening on al jazeera as we bring you the results of the greek referendum? >> i intend to. i intend to. barnaby phillips in athens. >> the first lat en american pope is making a return to south
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america. pope francis on his way to ecuador and hundreds of thousands expected to travel from around the continent. the church has left rome for a week long tour of south american countries. politic tensions are high. thousands protesting to resign after ecuador with the pontiff moving on to bolivia and paraguay. in japan, the 40 tres island near nagasaki has been given world heritage status after japan and south korea resolved a dispute over whether to acknowledge the site's wartime history of forced labor. the announcement was made earlier in bond. >> japan is prepared to be measures. there were a large number of koreans and others who were brought against their will and forced to work.
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