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agriculture, it's not about earning a profit for those tending forms like this one, it's about sustainable farming, keeping people connected to the land, reminding them to take responsibility for the world they live in, and the one left behind you can keep up to date with all the news on the website. on target, i'm ali velshi, from high atop iran's capital city of tehran. >> the free world cannot allow iran to have a nuclear weapon. >> how much can the united states trust the iran. >> this morning the iranian accusations. solution. >> this will not change iran for the better. >> it's a difficult, long-lasting security problem that we have faced for a long time. >> reporter: another day, another deadline, iranians woke
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up to this, one of many newspapers. this is a photograph of foreign minister mohammad javad zarif in vienna on a balcony at the hotel, the headline reading we are victorious, it seems premature, another deadline passed. july 9th was not just another arbitrary deadline. mary snow joins us from "on target" studios in new york. to get the perspective about the battle, it's important to look at the time line. iran, u.s. and five world powers agreed to an interim deal in november 2013. sense then it's been framework, deadline extensions and deals to make deals. anything but that final agreement. as we have told you, this missed deadline will have consequences. as a result of missing the july 9th deadline, the u.s. congress will have 60 days to consider any final proposal, as opposed to 30.
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if you have been paying attention, the last thing president obama wants to give his g.o.p. opponents is more time to criticize and derail any deal. according to reports, the white house is reaching out to groups, mobilizing for a show down. but before congress and the president battle over a deal, there has to be a deal. bringing us to the latest on the talks in vienna. iran's foreign ministers seems somewhat nonplussed by the talks. who were hard but not rushed. saying: secretary of state john kerry also in vienna seemed to lack his colleague's patience. >> this is not open-ended. president obama made it clear to me last night, you can't wait forever for the decision to be made. we know that.
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if the tough decisions can't get made, we are prepared to call an end to the process. >> reporter: you and i have been covering deals, it's not unusual for deals to get it the point where one side is ready to walk away to get the other side to dot the is and cross the "t"s. does this feel to you like the heart of a deal or do you get the sense that there's concern that the deal could fall apart? >> probably a bit of both. i wrote up to an op edwritten by mohammad javad zarif, the foreign minister of iran. the president of iran is in russia, there's a brcs moting, and he's complimenting russia, thanking them for support. seemed strange he was off to russia, seems like brinksmanship. everyone saying they are
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prepared to walk away from the deal, maybe to force the other side to say hey, they may walk away from the deal. senior officials that i have been speaking to have been treating this as if the deal will get down. as you describe to the audience, the july 9th deadline was important to the obama administration. it's not of great significance to the iranians, there's a sense of discussion of what happens next. what happens after a deal is made. you referred to the preliminary deal in november 2013. in january 2014, i was in switzerland for the world economic forum where president hassan rouhani made a debut to the world. there were industrial leaders, c.e.o.s, who couldn't wait to have meetings and talk about what happens when this economy of 80 million opens up. remember, rain is an asian
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country, you know, a far eastern country, but it is industrial. it is a manufacturing company, a market of educated consumers. the newspaper that i showed you. this was zarif saying - the headline saying we are victorious. this head line is a comment made by the former president, a conservative at the time saying this is farcy for if he's president, the u.s. embassy in iran can reopen. you know the u.s. embassy, the sign of a 440 day hostage taking in 1979. it exists, it's a museum, the symbol of the enmity between iran and america. the concept that it could reopen and there could be a normalization of relations, this is what former conservatives are saying. there's a sense that we may be at a point where this could go forward. it may be brinksmanship or they
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have got to the end of the road and haven't been able to sort it out. unclear. our colleague james bays says they are not getting better clues than we in iran. there's definitely optimism here. if it opens, certainly it's an historic moment. i want to ask you about the newspaper. what is the mood like among the people of iran, do they feel the same optimism. >> i've been here 13 days, and i spoke to people from the vice presidents, workers and there's a sense. there's unity as you and i discussed before. that shouldn't be surprising to anyone. anyone subject to sanctions wants them listed. the underlying matter, should iran be bullied, as they say by the united states, does the
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united states feel and empathize with iran, feeling that the reference powers interfered for the entire 20th century. most people are prepared to get beyond that stuff. can we normalize relations with the rest of the west. can we travel. can we buy things legally imported into iran. everyone has apple phones, a lot of people do. people drink coke. wen products are available. can they be normalized. there's nobody who i met. no one i net that says there shouldn't be some kind of deal. iranians stay it shouldn't be a bad deal. >> two sides that do not like or trust each other, that's what lawyers are for. make no mistake. there's no love loss for america when it comes to hardliners.
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there's a lot of reason for the anger and distrust. extending to the leadership. the anger over the harsh economic sanctions and u.s. support for israel is ever present, adding instalment to injury is -- insult to injury is leverage and willingness to walk away from the deal. that's a view of a korean , an associate at the carnegie newt, - institute. he says america wants the deal more than iran. you said u.s. wants the deal, iran needs it. how does the dinalic affect whether or not it produces a side. >> if a deal is not signed, few
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americans will feel the difference. there'll not be protests against president barack obama. it's more significant. the country has bled hundreds of billions because of sanctions at a time, because of the drop in oil prices. sustaining the regime. certainly from a financial perspective. the pressure is on iran. with a difficulty for the top leadership. the supreme leader is one who for years the united states say it can be trusted. nothing good can come out of the relations. there's a risk of alienating the political base by signing a deal. we have seen street scenes, heard about the anti-american stance. how does that factor into the negotiations.
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and if there is a deal, what is that likely to mean among hardliners and the anti-american sentiment that we are seeing. >> so, historically, and in a few instances in which iran showed signs of compromise, they have clamped down internally to send a signal to the population. the external flexibility doesn't mean internal weakness. it's seen increased depression. moderate forces, they are so eager to see the deal happen. so eager to emerge from political isolation. they will feel emboldened. it's unpredictable how this will play out. i think you have competing forces to emboldened.
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>> we talked about the supreme leader. how much bargaining power does the foreign minister have at the table and who is in charge. the supreme leader is in charge in iran. absent his blessing and the blessing of the revolutionary guards o who over sea the programme, and the leaders. no deal can be signed. the foreign minister is not one that decides policy in iran. he's an implementer and a spokesperson. the challenge that the hard line forces that the supreme leader has, they need a deal. it's iran's economy, it is not sustainable as long as the sanctions remain in place, and
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the oil prices are low. politically it is a risk for them to, you know, after years of telling the political base that america can't be trusted, america is the great satan, there's no point in negotiating to america, to dismraip to them that a nuclear deal is signed with america, and, you know, perhaps there's greater room for cooperation, potentially alienates the base. >> you said you find it unlikely that the talks would collapse altogether. let's say a deal is reached - we don't know when the time line might be. is there really a resolution? >> well, i don't think that we are - that the choice is between successful negotiations or failure of negotiations.
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i think it's a choice between success are stalemate. if a deal is not signed in the next couple of days or the next couple of weeks i don't think we'll tear up everything that weigh worked for. i think they'll continue to negotiate. president obama and secretary kerrry want to keep the momentum going, hard line forces may be concerned about political risks, but the vast majority of the country is expecting the deal. >> thank you for joining us. the senior associate, the middle east programme, the carnegie endowment for international peace. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> let's head to tehran, where ali velshi is standing by. >> it's hard to get people to talk politics. they talk about a lot of things.
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when i bring up politics some self sensor. when you mention the name of mahmoud ahmadinejad, you get a reaction, good, bad or a smirk. he was president for eight years. i interviewed a former iranian ambassador to the united nations and made mention that while he was here, mahmoud ahmadinejad was in power. >> when he came to power, he fired me. i happy to be fired by him.
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this morning i spoke to a doctor, the ambassador from iran to the united nation, and then the ambassador of iran to france until mahmoud ahmadinejad came to power and got rid of him.
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i spoke to him about his aspirations. he founded a reformist party movement hoping to run candidates in the next election. those are in february 2016. he has aspirations to be the next speaker of the iranian parliament. a topic i touched on with him is israel. he's one of a few senior people in the environment, who use the word israel, most refer to it as the zionist occupation. >> you are one of the few people that sis israel. is there any way that rain can come to terms with israel. >> today, no. if the israel attention to democracy, back to the lands of palestine, everything possible. nothing is impossible. >> if iran is going to be a power in the region, it will be
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a power. if it makes a deal and is a power, it must be about fighting. they'll have to figure out a way to co-exist with saudi arabia and israel. do you believe. >> iran believes in stability and peace in the middle east and the region. they never wanted to occupy any country. we have too many problems about peace and stability. the terrorist groups, destabilizing the region, there's too many groups. >> what do you say about the hezbollah? >> the fighting, fighting for identity. hezbollah never occupied any land. it never was in other places in the region.
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hezbollah is fighting. >> you worked on president ahmadinejad. >> when it came to power he fired me. i was happy to be fired by him. >> that answers my question. let me ask you about this country. the terminology describing the factions. i hear about conservatives and hardliners, i hear about moderates and reformers and liberals. where do you fall? >> i'm a social democrat. supporting the hassan rouhani and the reformist. >> some of the people criticizing negotiations are hardliners, conservatives. in the west people have the impression this conservatives and hardliners dominate government in this country, is that not true.
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>> not true. it doesn't give them permission to change something. only things can change the people. >> the president mahmoud ahmadinejad did something damaging, having a conference about the holocaust. holocaust. >> the holocaust is not our business, it's between the christians, second world war, and judaism. we are never recommending or refusing any crimes, even when people are killed. even when they want one killed or the community mixed the hollow cost crimes is a crime. unfortunately at that time, i believe it's a disaster for iran at that time. never supporting these.
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>> what attack from the doctor's conversation with me is that some things sounded like hard lines, or as they call it in vienna, red lines, as a politician, his answers ended with an idea that anything is possible if different sides work in good faith. that is a bit more of the tone i've gotten from everyone over the last two weeks in iran. >> all right. thank you very much. guns, bombs and missiles are not the only threats to global safety and security. coming up, how cyber criminals are wreaking havoc across the globe and stealing someone's identified every three seconds. a hacker that used toe about on the dark side shows us how it's done, and why you are at risk. >> they can sell access to your computer, to someone can use the computer you own. >> how much does that go for.
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>> $20 to $50. >> and you can take over my computer, and i have no idea that you are doing it. >> that's right.
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not everyone is convinced technical problems caused wednesday's computer meltdown to the yooupt
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united airlines, "wall street journal" and other. it's not been ruled out that hackers may have played a role. there's reason to be suspicious. today, federal government's office of personnel management said hackers stole information of more than 20 million americans, more than first reported. chinese hackers are suspected. the question is what could be done to fight the people and forces hacking america. the first step is for all of us to steal and sell valuable information that belongs to you. it's like an ebay of stolen data. the sitesar complete with reviews. what sa sold here is some valuable information that you possess. how much is my social security worth. it could be worth more than a couple of dollars. >> depending on the information. >> reporter: dan, a former black hat hacker took us on a tour of
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the dark web. there identities are hidden and whereabouts invisible. they can sell access to your computer so someone can use it to steal information. >> where does that go. >> anywhere from 20 to $50. >> that's it, and you can take over my computer. >> that's right. >> once they have access to the computer, everything on it is vulnerable. that is sold for pennies on the dollar, because it's plentiful. it's a result of data breaches, like those of target, only six months into 2015. there were 100 million records breached. a 25% increase. credit card numbers, bank accounts. paypal accounts. so much information that hackers sell what they can't use.
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>> where are most of the hackers, do you say? >> a lot are in russia and europe. states. >> experts say russia has been an expert for thieves. there's little incentive in russia to police political hacker groups. in the fullness, we have a lot of people with high tech skills that came out of some of the leading universities, there weren't any jobs for them. no jobs. you have to look for those that earn money. russians bring in money, they'll do political favors, why would they throw them into gaol.
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in the past two years, there has been an increased in state inform sponsored hacks. one of the main culprits is china. this is a government effort, sitting in a government office where there's a clear mission to what they are doing. >> laura specialises. and her team traced some hacks to chinese military unit, and says the groups are often assets. >> it's the c.e.o.'s email. it's the boardroom meetings discussing which projects are funded. this is about taking the information to replicate the business models, that are successful and put them in place else are. >> hackers don't just target companies. in a recent case of cyber espionage, millions of u.s. employees had the records breached at the office of personnel management.
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the u.s. has not laid blame, but cyber security experts link it to china. officials in china deny it. the threat of cyber attacks led to a cyber summit with every major tech c.e.o. in silicon val ci. president obama spoke about cyber threat. >> the same information making the military the most advanced in the world are targeted from hackers from china and russia, going after defend contractors. he ended a speech, sing an executive order signing on tech companies to share thread information. in hopes of preventing an attack like the sony hack. exposing salaries to emails. it supposedly was in retaliation for the movie "the interview", which obtake place a scene why
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the north korean leader is killed. >> movie reel: you want us to kill the leader of north korea. >> yes. >> reporter: it is the suspected motive behind a hack at the sands casino. the target she'del adelson, a donor and supporter of israel, iran. >> russia, china, iran, north korea felt like they could do cyber attacks against the u.s. and get away with it. >> that is what they are struggling to push back on. i don't think they can cross the line again. >> that is the show for today. i'm mary snow >> al jazeera's investigative unit has tonight's exclusive report. >> stories that have impact. that make a difference. that open your world. >> this... is what we do. >> america tonight. tuesday through friday, 10:00 eastern. only on al jazeera america.
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