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comprehensive diplomatic solution. >> this deal won't change iran for the better. >> one of the most difficult and long lasting national security problems that we have face million dollars a very long time. ♪ ♪ good evening from teheran. negotiators continue to try to hammer out a deal in vienna, but that final deal is proving illusive. they have given themselves now until monday to try to hammer out the final details. but there is word that tempers are fraying and tensions are setting in. here is what we know so far. secretary of state john kerry has said they are getting closer and they have made some real progress and negotiateers will reconvene a saturday to see if they can get furthering this. to have something to take back to their countries by monday. there are six world powers and iran there. and iran today was the last friday of ramadan traditionally a day of demonstration.
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typically demonstration against israel and what they call its occupation of palestine. but hard liners in iran asked team demonstrate against immaterial peer control powers which she described as europe and america. big turn out in iran today across the country, but in fax, it does seem like the hard liners are losing ground and optimism is setting in about what iran can look like after a deal and after the lifting of sanctions. i'll have more in a moment from here. let me sends it back to david shuster in our "on target" studio in new york. >> the latest blow to the talks one of many missed deadlines has particular significance in the us. because by negotiating beyond 6:00 a.m. on july 10th in vienna the negotiators have given the u.s. congress 60 days to review any deal instead 30 that time could spell trouble for the obamaed administration once it smits a deal to the republican-controlled congress. many republicans and now some
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democrats have criticized the outlines of the deal as giving too many concessions to iran and crit sicks have been strategizing how to win the floor fight that may be coming. images today from teheran offered another remind are why so many americans and u.s. political leaders discrust the iranian government. today 10s of thousands march ed in an annual pro palestinian rally chanting down with america, and death to israel. protesters took flags to the united states, great britain, israel and saudi arabia yeah, wrapped them around pillars and set them on fire and stepped on them . iran does not recognize israel's right to exist and support hezbollah organized labeled as terrorist by the united states. they say it's simply meant to express support for fall spin vinnies and emphasize the importance of jerusalem for muslim . sites are set for monday now.
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the talks are growing in controversy thanks to new cracks between the world powers, russia has voiced support for lifting a conventional arms embargo against iran, the united states says that is a no one starter and has warned allowing iran to sell weapons wouldn't only help hezbollah and amass. at chance the talks fall apart. russia has began blaming the united states. on thursday the tweeted: meanwhile, republican senator tom cotton told bloomberg news that he cannot imagine any member of congress will support a treaty giving iran relief on the conventional arms embargo. so there you have the die familiar i objects i've smaller stands off within the larger issue. the negotiations are not just about ending economic sanctions against iran in return to guarantee that his their nuclear program is peaceful. let's know go back to ali
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velshi in teheran, you imagine in ryan there might be a humiliation factor for a country to be told no you cannot join the countries that very or are pursuing a nuclear weapon. what kind of opposition is there to a deal in iran? >> that's an interesting distypes, david. a lot people really cringe at that. the wider population is really upset at the idea that they can't join this club that. america is singling iran out. they points to other countries that actually have nuclear arms that are not excluded -- that have excluded themselves from the nuclear nonproliferation tray and don't get this singling out that iran gets. that is, there is a source of national pride in the fact that iran has achieved a nuclear program, but most people would trade most that have off for the lifting of sanctions. in fact, this preliminary deal. the first one that was made back in november of 2013, that has led to the ongoing deadlines, essentially froze the nuclear
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program and most people have come to terms with that. doesn't affect most people's lives. i have spoken to a few people who think it's a big -- it's a bad trade off. that iran shouldn't have to give up its right to be a nuclear power because america says so. and that comes, david, from a deep-seated mistrust, distrust of the america that goes back it the '50s when the real enemy here was britain, they were the colonial icing power, the commercial power here in iran. and what happened was that britain sort of developed the oil resources in iran. they gave iran 16% of the profits as calculated by britain. now, iran always felt that britain wasn't calculating the profits fairly to start with. but that was a time when countries were renegotiating these deals. venezuela was the first one they got a 50/50 cut with the oil it up. saudi arabia got a 50/50 cut. iran getting 16%, they tried and tried and tried to get the brits to convince them to give them a
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50/50 cut the brits said absolutely not. needed the money to pay for war reparations so iran elect aid prime minister he was popularly elected and ran on a platform of national icing the oil company. they finally did that, and within months the cia deposed him. every iranian knows this story. this was 1953. they talk about how america stole democracy from iran. and then you get to 1979, the overthrow of the shaw, the revolution. and a lot of iranians again talk about how america propped up the shah of iran and had this oppressive nondemocratic regime. america was behind, you know, the fact there wasn't democracy. so that's where the hard liners get their fuel from there is a deep distrust of america. that's why they want to be the masters of their own deft at this. this doesn't appear to be the majority of people. it appears to be a small vocal, very commune shall minority.
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>> and ali, that sentiment that it was great britain that essentially stole the oil from iran and the united states perhaps later stole democracy. how deeply ingrained is that? it seems psych it's something a lot of americans don't quite realize about the average folks, you might talk to another streets of teheran. >> that'sable have yothat's abs. it's legend, it's lore here, kids that weren't life in 1979 can tell you what happened in 1953. everybody knows that legends, it's part of a culture here of oppression. it's part i've culture that is -- that feels this is an ancient culture that has not been allowed to flourish along with the rest of the world. iran has constantly been bullied by somebody else . that does dictate on the people feel. people that i meet at every level from government down to her commands and workers, tend to have an affinity for americans. they have relatives perhaps, who live in america. there is a good deal of intimate
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change between the west and iran. they do make a it's tink between americans and the american government. and that is something that is important. iranians are looking for forward to doing business with americans they would like a shift in american foreign policy. by the way that foreign policy extends to the fact that israel thinks -- iran thinks of itself as a super power in this region. and it's arch enemies around here are israel and saudi arabia. and it feels that i had reel and saudi arabia are the u.s. proxies in the middle east. this sort of has a lot of layers to it. but in the en, most iranians would like to get this deal done so that sanctions are lifted and they can move on. and speaking of the hostage cries i.when i come back i am going to interview iran's first woman vice president. now, you won't more know her name or much about her, but if you are old enough and you have a good memory, you will remember her as sister mary from the american hostage crisis in teheran.
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the year was 1979, 52 american hostages, bip mats, sit since, held at the american embassy by a group of iranian revolutionary students, americans were glued to the story and got to know a woman they knew her as sister mary. she wore a head scarf. to to some americans she looked like a nun, sit per mary went to to become a vice president of iran, the first woman to hold that distinction, she still hold that offers right now. i sat down and had a conversation with her. you are a face that will be recognizable to some americans. you were on tv constantly before i was on tv. as the face of the hostage crisis in 1979. and now you are a vice president of iran. and you have said that together the u.s. and iran could work against ey
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violence, radicalism and militias in this part of the world. you'll forgive me but some in my audience associate iran with these things saying iran can help solve that in this part of the world watch do you mean when you say that? >> speaking realistically, we have to see things in the broad of context. we have to -- we can't forget important parts of our history, our joint history, the united states had a long history of interference in this part of the world, particularly in iran . the coup staged in 1953 against the popular prime minister by the cia. it's still well remembered. not only in iran, but in this part of the world. we can't ignore those realities. but we also have to look forward, we have to look for the future. we have to see the realities that we are facing today in this part of the world.
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today iran has emerged as a major player. the islamic revolution has a lot of influence in many parts of the islamic world. there are a lot of different areas where iran can play a very prominent role in sorting out different conflicts, resolving ououtstanding issues, particulay in dealing with peace and security in the region. iran has always showed that it is a major player. and i think that is a reality that more or less is well understood today. today the government of dr. rouhani which was elected by a overwhelming majority to two year old ago, is promoting a policy of moderation, not only at the national level, creating a national platform for more dialogue, more openness, more
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economic reforms, political social reforms, but also at the regional and international level in dealing with different countries of the world, in dealing with the major issues that we have radical ism extremism, terror and violence, unfortunately in the name of islam, very wrongly attributed to the religion. and iran has a major role to play in these aspects. and i than for that reason, it's very important that the settlement, the negotiations of five plus one the nuclear negotiations come to a just and balanced settlement where all parties would feel comfortable with the agreement and would be able to work along those lines for promoting peace and security in this region. >> in terms of a just and balanced agreement.
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in simpler terms because obviously this is a complicated agreement. what do you think just and balanced means most iranians or at least for this government? >> it's important since the rights to peaceful nuclear technologies, peaceful nuclear energy is important for the iranian nation. it's important that we see things in a just manner in the sense that the rights of other countries have should not be undermined for the iranian nation. it's also important for the iranian people that the sanctions be lifted. the sanctions are detrimental not only for our economy, but also for the regional economy, for the global economy, even for the environment. because they are impeding our access to new green technologies, to enhancement and improvement of our environmental standards in terms of mitigation of greenhouse gases. it's very important for us that these sanctions be lifted, sanctions which we consider very
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unjust and illegal be lifted. and iran would be able to play its role in the current very volatile situation that we have in this region. >> may i ask you, because i have been asking people, specifics about the sanctions and thousand it affects their business. you are responsible for regulations around the environment. you just mentioned that the sanctions impede your ability to adopt certain green technologies, can you give me some example of how that works. >> yeah, the clear example is for example is the area of air pollution, take the necessity of our refinery to his upgrade their standards to provide euro four. this is the current standard that we have in iran, euro four petroleum this. requires certain catalysts, certain green technologies which are necessary and this has been impeded due to the sanctions because a lot of it is financed
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through trade through the different exchange that we have with different firms that are working on this area. but also the iranians have been working a lot in this regard. we have a emerging elite of technocrats, a i didn't know iranian, well educated iranians working in areas of high-tech knowledge, green technologies and so they have been able to to remove some of the to b the obstacles but te sanctions have an effect. iran is a major oil and gas producers, these open flares are not only creating a lot of air pollution in different areas where we have the oil fields but also producing a lot of greenhouse gases in order to be able to curb those emissions we need again as cesc to the new
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technologies . it's not that the sanctions have totally disrupted our economic or technological processes, it has created delays, but we are moving forward in spite of all the sanctions we have been moving take in the past few years, we hope that settlement will create a more favorable at atmosphere for trade and work with the global community on issues like the environment, because the environment is basically a global issue not a national issue. it's not only related to iran, it belongs to the whole planet. so we have to work on those areas together. >> that's just a part of my interview with the surprise president of try iran you can see the entire interview on target on sunday afternoon back to you, david.
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all politics is local. it's a pearl of wisdom that negotiators should remember as they try to hammer out this landmark nuclear deal with iran, congressional remember cans are threaten to go scuttle virtually any agreement, we know that much. but iranian leadership also faces its own sets of factions and they directly influence what happens at the bargaining table in vee an, to help break it all down from john hopkins university coauthor of iran's nuclear program and she says a
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bat is raging behind the scenes in iran where old school consecutives are pitted against more liberal minded reformers you have written that iran resembles post soviet russia, how so in. >> well, over the past two decades these two groups have gained significant political and economic influence. but they have divergent ideological beliefs and visions for the future of iran. so they are battling it out based on these differences with the reform assists seeking to liberalize the economic instruction structure to bring in more foreign investment whereas the conservatives and the revolutionary guard core have very entrenched economic interests want to keep things local and remain the dominant economic -- come naturally in charge of the economic ins tunes antunes and businesses in the country.
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>> where does the iranian president fall in terms of did he have rains to these two iranian oligarchies. >> he is a pragmatist or a moderate. he doesn't identify himself as a reformist her say but his cabinet is made up of technocrats, moderates and some reformists and he was elect ed in to office with the backing of a large number of reformists. along with a majority of the population. but he does stand in the middle and he positions himself in the middle. as an effort to sort of moderate and balance these competing tendencies. >> and given the way negotiations have gone so far in which it seems like they are stuck on a number of issues, perhaps including the arms embargo impose odd iran do you get a sense of which of the oligarchies, integration assists that want a better relationship with the west as opposed it hard
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liners do you get a sense which is having more influence at the negotiating take right now? >> it's rouhani's team. his foreign minister, the head of the nuclear agency in iran, the oil ministry that have all been very active in the negotiation, so his team is in charge and has had the backing and the blessing of the iran's supreme leader. however back at home this team has to answer to the pressures of iran's conservative parliament. and make sure that they are defending iran's interests so that iran doesn't come out of these negotiations in a weaker position. >> and as oppose -- suppose iran does come out stronger in internationally, suppose rouhani and his team are able to reach a deal what does that do in materials of his ability to fall in other issues promises that he has made to iranian people? >> well, rouhani is bank on the
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ground this deal because iran will hold parliamentary elections in february 2016, and he and his team and the reformists are looking to gain greater political representation in parliament. and have a greater -- stronger position within iran's very complex political institutions. and with in advance of the elects he's going to be pushing forward to maybe liberalize the internet some more and trying to liberalize human rights issues, a lot of his liberal eyeing efforts have stalled. because of the emphasis of the nuclear negotiations and the priority of removing sanctions, if he gains a nuclear deal, he will come out with a strengthened happened. but he will meet significant challenge from conservatives back home that do not want him to come out in a stronger position. >> does he come out in a weaker position if it seems clear at least to the international
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community that iran will be kept from develop a nuclear weapon for at least 10 years? >> well, the conservatives at homer going to try to sell that to the domestic population, but ryan's population in general is very much supportive of this deal. they are tired of living under sanctions. and they are tired of being economically and politically isolate the. they are looking to this deal as a sort of hope for the future, a greater economic opportunities, employment, and interaction and integration with the world. >> given these competing interests, and internal pressures on rouhani and his negotiators in iran, do you have a sense or a belief yourself too fast how this deal, whether this deal is actually going to happen or whether it's going to get scuttled? >> i am hopeful that it will happen. really because so much time and effort and intention, not just on the iranian-american front
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but internationally, there has just been the timing is right. so i remain optimistic that by monday we will have a deal. i think it's going to be hard to walk away from this very unique moment where the timing just seems really right. >> so interesting to talk about the domestic political pressures on the iranian side. the professor lecture you are of middle east studies at johns hopkins university. thanks for being with us. let's now go back to a teheran, iran an and get some final thous from ali velshi. you went to someplace where young iranian men do the same thing that a lot of young american do and that is cruise for girls. what was that scene like? >> it was great. it was thursday night which is like friday night in the u.s. and it's a little area around here small, windy streets, people selling ice cream and various things, little restaurants, there were people on dates, you know, holding hands walking down the streets. some of them seemed to be
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accompanied by their parent or younger siblings chop chaperoning them. there were single girls walking around sort of dress ed in their thursday best. there were guys riding around sort of young toughs on motorcycles, trying to impress the girls. there were people with fancy cars driving up and down the street. i think for the purpose of showing people their fancy cars. it was a scene you could see in any city in america, probably any city in the world, it was young people celebrating the end of week. by the way i was trying to interview them all about this, they weren't all talking about nuclear talks, they weren't giving me opinion on his the government. they were all talking, they were having a great time. grills were going, they wei grilled some meat and ate it. it was a piece of normalcy in teheran. it's so different than the impression we have when we only talk about what is going on in vienna, when we only talk about the nuclear threat that ryan is seen to pose to the last the would a lot of that was real,
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but what was really interesting is seeing how people spend the night at the end of their workweek the same as they do all over the world, david. >> ali velshi reporting from teheran, iran, thank you so much. safe travels back to the united states. and that is our show for today. i am david shuster, in for ali velshi. thanks for watching. ♪ ♪ you may remember abigale fisher, a student denied entry to the university of texas at austin, she says there was no room for her at the school because less qualified applicants were given an edge during the admissions process. the supreme court has agreed to hear her case, a case that could end the consideration of race and ethnicity at public colleges and universities.
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