is still forming no visible craters on the surface of what is now dwarf planet. i'm del walters thanks for joining us tonight. ray suarez is next with "inside story." you can check us out 24 hours a day by going to our website aljazeera.com. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> new york real estate developer and reality tv star donald trump says he's toid with the idea of running for president before but always backed off. this time he's in and he's far enough ahead of many of the other candidates in the polls to be included in the first debates. and now other republican candidates have to look at the hands they've been dealt and worried about the trump card. it's the "inside story."

>> welcome to "inside story," i'm ray suarez. between the first and 44th presidents of the united states, how many would you say have never won an election to public office, never served in an appointed government position, or in the military? if you guessed zero, you'd be correct. donald trump says he's going to be the first. he also promises to rev up america's economic engine, seal the u.s. border with mexico and make the mexicans pay for wall and be the best american jobs president ever. he doesn't need your contributions, has never had to finesse debate or build coalitions or make regular politicians pull their purchase,

make campaigns or painful promises the republican nomination is for president all 15 or so won't be able to ignore him. as loudly as they say they want to attract latino voters in 2016, donald trump talks louder. here is david schuster. >> for americans who want a national debate against illegal immigration, donald trump is the gift that keeps on giving. donald trump recently complete with families of victims killed by illegal immigrants. >> the legals illegals came in and the illegals killed their children and we better get smart in the united states. >> and in phoenix he drew thousands to a rally. >> they're takings our jobs they're taking our manufacturing they're taking our money they're taking everybody and they're

killing us in the border. >> as a billionaire developer beauty pageant owner, donald trump has never had a problem standing out but his presidential campaign seems to have broken new ground. in his announcement speech he described undocumented mexican immigrants this way. >> they're bringing drugs they're bringing crime they're rapists and some i assume are good people. >> that last conversation at the end did nothing to stop the fire storm. and other republican candidates pounce id. >> he did this to inflame he doesn't represent the republican party or its values. >> i think he's a wrecking ball for the future of the republican party with the his pan ig community and we need to push back. >> others showed trump some sympathy. >> i salute donald trump for focusing on the need to address

illegal immigration. >> it's been an awkward balance for some republicans because while gop primary voters generally support a tough stance on immigration most republican strategies believe republicans can't win the white house without more latino support. >> don't worry we'll take country back very soon. >> trump's position has sparked a wave of latino anger. >> donald trump is a clown but he's their clown. >> luis gutierrez says the back lash. >> donald trump is a voter registrations machine. every time he opens his mouth people register to vote and it is guaranteed they will vote next 2016. >> trump has softened his rhetoric and tried to offer clarifications. >> i have great relationships

with mexican people. i have many, many people who work for me who are mexican. they are phenomenal people, i love them. >> reporter: now republican establishment figures aren't sure whether to condemn trump or ignore him hypothesis. him. >> when joaquin guzman known as el chapo escaped from mexican prison, trump described him as everything wrong with the system and promised to kick his ass. el chapo promised to have him eat his words. republican party on notice. >> the word is getting out that we have to stop illegal immigration. we have to, we have to. >> david schuster. al jazeera. >> as a candidate the real

estate magnate donald trump has made a splash in a very short time and in some polls he only trails jeb bush. for how to become a presidential candidate how do you run against him? engage him ignore him embrace him denounce him? different campaigns as we've seen have chosen versions of all four. we've brought together a round table of ploaks watchers, including brad blakeman, jeannie zano, a professor of campaign management at new york university and jason jonas a professor ever political science at hyram college. brad blakeman let me start with you. when you are running a campaign you can't run it in isolation right? you have to take into account who your opponents are what the

temper of the times are and what issues voters are paying attention to. can you ignore donald trump? >> you can't ignore him and you should not ignore him and do so at your peril if you do. we have seen people leave contract wise his brand whether it's a restaurant in the hotel they are building in washington, whether it's macy's and its clothing line, the gop must protect their brand. the candidates who are running for office must protect their brand. when any candidate goes off the reservation either by going at odds with the party platform or the norms in decency of what the party stands for. so the party and the candidate in this race must protect that brand against anyone who seeks to denigrate it. >> jeannie zano when another candidate is something like a free agent he doesn't have to worry about the normal protocols of raising money, of kissing the

ring of various party leaders. he doesn't have to follow party discipline at all. does it make it tougher to figure out what your game plan is? >> absolutely. and you know brad is absolutely right. you have to protect the pretty brand. let's not forget, donald trump is not running for a particular brand post-citizens united, now the party chair the leader of the party the party out of the white house does not have enough of a stick to hold against somebody like this. he can't hold money against him. he can't hold organization against him. so you have independent candidates quote unquote like donald trump out there on their own and their interests are die metrically opposed to the party as a whole and unfortunately i think we're going to see a lot more of this as we go forward

until we get at least the spending issue under control and get a strengthening of our political parties which badly need it. we've seen this throughout the last several years in congress, we've got john boehner can't control the base of his own party. weakened parties create this kind of environment. as much as people are frustrated with party politics in washington, this is simply not the answer of making government work depends on parties that are strong enough to move forward and we are not at that position at this point and donald trump is what we're going to get if we continue in this direction. >> when jeannie zano says there's all these things you can't hold against donald trump don't we need the word yet in there? the deep are you go in the process at some point there are county chairman and state chairmen, there are valpredo access rules, there are all

kinds of piece is of the process that start to come into play no? >> yes there are but there is something we have to remember, with respect to jeannie and the other guests, what he is saying is what a lot of republicans feel. whether this makes sense, donald trump is saying what many rank and file republicans believe. they believe that immigration is a problem. they think that crazy dangerous people from mex are mr. mayor are mexico are sneaking over here, what really is going to come into play is not so much whether or not trump is going to affect the party brand but how many people, how many local party chairs, how many local delegates, how many local party leaders are going to say come august come september i think this guy is actually speaking to

us i think he speaks to our beliefs much more than scott walker or jeb bush. >> but i take it you disagree. >> he's getting 17% of what? we haven't even reached the important time of the primary system. we're in the infancy of a presidential race by a guy who knows exactly how to get earned media. he's not going to stick his pocket too deep to get his own money. he has no grass roots organization and to think that the republican party as a group as we've just heard supports this is absolute nonsense. we reject a lot of what trump has said. immigration is a problem. of course it's a problem. whether you are a democrat or republican you believe there's a problem with immigration. the question is how you solve it, certainly not the way donald trump solves it. i reject people painting the

party with trump's rhetoric. >> who are the individuals who are giving him super-large cheers? >> they are not the majority, they are a minority, not getting trump elected. >> please stand by. trump opportunity? it looks likely he will be participating in the first republican primary debate scheduled for august 6th in cleveland. we'll get a look at the candidates who don't make the cut. stay with us, it's the "inside story."

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>> you're watching "inside story." i'm ray suarez. how to play the trump card this time on the program. the veteran public figure and neophyte politician has made a splash in the large field of republican candidates. he zoomed to number 2 in early polls. granted it's a long time until the first real votes are cast in republican primaries. but he's bringing up a lot of oxygen in the room more than a year before the nominating convention. getting attraction, attention and most importantly money. jeannie brad are still with me. jeannie these debates coming up will feature a large number of candidates on the forum and a forum earlier in the day for those candidates who didn't make the cut. advice for those standing

shoulder to shoulder with trump and those who are going to be in that forum. >> the first to be as you mentioned august 6th ten members ten candidates who are in the upper echelons, then the forum before. in terms of candidates who are in the debate with donald trump. we all know that jeb bush has been practicing by all accounts very hard for this debate and preparing for however donald trump comes out. that's the big question mark. we still don't know how donald trump will come out. we assume he will be bombastic. we assume he will be loud, we assume he will be the way he was at his rollout. there are indications that donald trump has pulled back, by some accounts. in this recent interview in politico he was very mild from what was predicted. it could work to jeb bush's advantage and other candidates

if he comes out lard and if those candidates can appear the quote unquote grown up in the room. if they can take him on and they can make the point that they are the mature person that can be trusted, they have the experience, as much as people are looking for an outsider and a truth-seeker, they are looking for a person who can do the job and that is an aspect that jeb bush and others can bring to the debate. but the question is how does donald trump come to the debate. >> jason johnson same question. >> just make sure you don't pull a mitt romney. remember what happened when rick perry came into the race? he was swinging back hitting everybody and mitt romney got irritated and that is when he made his $10,000 bat comment. he'll say something salient many 71y, pro voksomesomething 71y funny.

>> brad blakeman, in the last round of republican primary debates. can audience was the 10th candidate, they were cheering, they were yelling they were pretty much the participant could that change the way the wider public sees a confrontation like this? >> which trump will show up? maybe there will be multiple trumps. if trump says something outrageous then you must meet that outrageousness with a come back. otherwise you are playing your own points as much as you can. the people who are going to be at the kids table the one before the debate, they also have to have a time to break out

and get to the grown up stable. the way you do that is by -- grown untable. the way you to that is to show likability and trust. that's what you have to do. they have to get on that next stage. trump understands that in order to talk about trump the next day it's not serious thrawmple show up buttrump thatshows up. >> if you are in that second tier event and you want in the big show do you even mention donald trump? >> no of course not. you are not reacting to anything that happened before. you can avoid the trump play. the people on stage -- >> they have the tougher job? >> yes. >> how would you coach them? >> i would say if the opportunity arises you have the obligation to set him straight before the audience. >> brad, jason jeannie stay

with us. it's no secret that latino voters are critical for the republicans to win back the white house and donald trump is not making it easy for gop candidates to court them with his tough talk. if brad suggests the real estate developer will not even be in the race when 2016 arrives will the damage already be done? stay with us, it's the "inside story."

>> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're not sending you. they're not sending you. they're sending people that have

lots of problems. and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists and some i assume are good people. >> that's donald trump on the day he announced he was running for president speaking critically about mexicans who come to the u.s. as he put it to live and work illegally. welcome back to "inside story." i'm ray suarez. there have long been differences in the shape size and complexion of the electorate that comes to the polls in presidential elections versus mid terms. but those differences have become even more telling in recent elections. many republican general election candidates have had trouble with the fast growing if still small part of the electorate, latino voters. it didn't make much difference in 2014. but it could hurt in 2016. while donald trump has gotten a lot of discussion about his anything but subtle discussions

of race, shooting skyward would that end up being a problem for him but for the gop as well, jeannie jason and brad are still with me. jason johnson that difference between a primary campaign and a general election campaign, is that one that's important to political people and not that important to regular rank and file voters? >> yeah, because most regular rank and file voters, they're only paying attention to the primary sort of casually. they really don't click in formula the sort of general election. but leers the thing this leers the here's, the thing. it hasn't been a challenge they're bright intelligent people they know the political process they know what they have to say. the problem is they have to play whack amole with the voters, voter i.d. to discriminate

against black voters or saying people from mexico may be rapists, that's what they have to face. the problem is you can't win a republican, a general election, you can't win a general election unless you have over 35% of latino vote. and if trump stays in at least until iowa he's going to sort of taint the pool and make it hard for a republican general nominee to get the latino voters. >> do you think he'll taint the pool? >> i don't think he'll taint the pool at all. but in addition to the candidates thoams speak out against if trump is outrageous about immigration more than he has been already and also to come one their own plan on action of immigration. everybody believes there's a problem with immigration whether it's border patel way to citizenship, vee is is visas or taxes or whatever it is. we need to make inroads in the

hispanic community to win. as a matter of fact not even the hispanic community all minority communities including women. women are the key independents are the key minorities are the key. you can't rely on your base. republicans are on notice, come up with a plan that people can have an affinity for and you will have less problem with voting. >> if he is gone by new year's day -- >> the longer he stays in, trump has to be outrageous in order to get news. number two he ain't spending his own money. he's put in like zero compared to the other candidates. he won't tell you how much he's raised, he says i have $10 billion, i can spend whatever i want. you need grass roots an operation, you need precinct workers and people who are going to go to bat for you and spend time and effort and money of

their own to get you elected. we have seen none of that. >> jeannie zano if donald trump is in it for reasons that have something to do with being president some day little to do with being president some day it's really hard to know but still, he has the potential in your view for having an impact on the republican race, in, out or speaking loudly or softly? >> he does. and i think the longer he stays in, the more of an impact he has. and just to go back to the issue of latino voters. let's remember, potato twefl the republican party did an assessment of why they lost -- post-2012, the republican appeared did an assessment of whether they lost, in a change united states, latinos hispanics, women's nonminorities, they weren't offering policies that attract those kinds of voters. that's why we have seen people

like rand paul come out as a new type of republican, kind of reach across to those constituencies that have abandoned the republican party for so long not historically but in the short term. that's what the republican party says itself it needs to do to win the national election. unlike 2014 the geography the map works against the republicans it works for democrats. in 2014 when so many states were up for red they are up for blue that doesn't help the republican party. they have an uphill battle already. and somebody like trump does taint that to a certain extent. if indeed this message isn't forgotten by the time we come to november of this year say after the summer. it's possible he burns bright and falls out in the next few weeks. if not it's long term and could have an impact. >> jeannie zano teaches campaign

management at nyu gop strategist brad blake comawn and jason johnson teaches political science in hyram ohio, the author of political campaigns one day to sell, thank you for joining us. i'll be back in for a final statement, stay with us, it's "inside

>> when i was starting my working life in new york, donald trump was always around. building new buildings saying something outrageous in the gossip pages. if he takes the oath of office and becomes the 45th president in january 2017, he'll be the only president who ever was the subject of a blaring new york

post full page headline, "best sexy ever had." dwight eisenhower never had a reality tv show, richard nixon never had beauty pageants. or had a slovinian as a third wife. or tumult in one of our two political parties has blended to create a free for all in the race for president and leave room in the race for celebrities. well-known people with only scant understanding of the messy business of running governments. we've got a year or so from separating the real candidates from the not so real ones. so fasten your seat belts. thanks for joining us on "inside story." see you next time.

i'm ray suarez. >> a car bomb attack kills at least 100 people during eid celebrations in iraq. hello, and welcome to al jazeera live from our headquarters from doha. i'm elizabeth puranam. still ahead. u.s. speaks to saudi representative on the iran deal.