jazeera london. >> the news continues now with del walters. gooersh, this is al jazeera america, i'm del walters. a sailor is the fifth to die on a deadly attack in chattanooga, tennessee the k.k.k. showing support for the confederate flag in south carolina. and members of the black pants theory -- panther party. iran say yes to the nuclear agreement, but no to being friends with america. and a deeper look at the worse human trafficking offenderers. we begin tonight in tennessee, where a fifth

american serviceman has now died. randall smith is a petty officer, dying from his injuries, and was a logistics specialists, dying three times in the attack. officers seized four guns connected to the shooter. mohammod youssuf abdulazeez had a handgun and two long guns on him when he was shot and killed by police. a fourth weapon, a rifle, was found when police searched his home. there are calls for change at military disappears. texas governor joining jed bush and donald trump calling for an end on weapons on bases. we have team coverage allen schauffler has the scory of how they are -- story of how they are trying to heal in chattanooga. first it bisi onile-ere, who has the latest on the sailors, the fifth to die. good evening. >> as you mentioned officer

smith was shot three times during the attack. his family was at his bed side - another blow to a community in mourning. >> navy petty officer randell smith wounded in the chattanooga rampage is the fifth victim to die. the 26-year-old passion said away early saturday morning. four marines were killed thursday in the same attack. it had been two days since mohammed released gun fire. later at a navy and marine center where all five servicemen were shocked. >> it was an i.s.i.s. inspired attack. >> in the chattanooga suburb where be blew up. he was known as an all american

kid. >> i saw two weeks ago, 100% normal. according to reuters, hours before the attack he texted a trend, a link to a verse including: authorities concerned that mohammod youssuf abdulazeez, a devote muslim spends months in jordan last year. >> we are exploring overseas acts. >> he had a fascination with guns, and is said to have frequented a gun range and weapons have been seized from his home. authorities said on the day of the shooting he had two long guns and a handgun. as the community mourns the lose of servicemen authorities

search for answers. we are learning that the gunman purchased guns from a website. it has been criticized for allowing people to by weapons without a background check. >> bisi onile-ere, live from chattanooga. thank you. allen schauffler on the ground in chattanooga has been locking at the way the shootings have been effecting the city what did you find? >> we see what we see in a lot of these cases, people want to find a way to get involved and connect with this kind of tragedy tragedy. we are at the stadium, the home field. they are letting all active military and veterans in to this play-off game. and the team managers know that that is not a huge gesture, and know that is can't happen it's

an indication of things they see over ground. people want to plug in join up and find a way to help out. >> at this bar in hickson tennessee, and others around the area it's a simple set piece, a tilled chair, unopened beers, last call. >> a former marine set it up. >> a lot of guests came in, and they wanted to buy a drink or shot, and leave it as a memoriam. >> on the city's bridge across the tennessee river, joe and his daughter find comfort just walking, showing the colours. >> people join as one. the growing crowds are proof that people want to find a way to connect. >> don't jump to conclusions as to what this is. this is not a mistake.

this is an attack on our military. >> for nancy, standing on informal honour guard is something that is called to do. the fifth death making it more important. >> i cried. i knew their continue. i cried. >> at the community foundation of greater chattanooga, it's a longer term preach. the -- term approach. there were pictures of six children left fatherless. >> we are trying to get enough funds to make sure that every child is covered. some of these kids will be in school 15 years from now. >> as from friday they have pledges of more than 25,000, as chattanooga looks for ways to keep on moving and staying

chattanooga strong. >> they say they have no idea how much money they may raise to put to the educational needs of the kids or the spouse but they are getting the ball rolling, he thinks it could be big and they'll need a considerable amount of money. as he said moving forward, they'll go to college we hope, in the next 10-15 years. >> allen schauffler part of a contingent of reporters in allen schauffler. lisa bernard has a story on how some say more needs to be done to protect the soldiers and sailors at the recruiting center. south carolina, the clan and members of the black pan thers meet today. the clan upset about moving the confederate flag. the black affiliation for justice there to protest the clan. more from jennifer london.

>> reporter: an unexpected rain storm cleared away the clouds. earlier it was a different story. under a heavy police escort members of the k.k.k. and other self-proclaimed white supremist groups were cleared from the ground. it was a day when free speech as front and center. >> reporter: from the steps of south carolina capital, duelling protests. the loyal white knights of the ku klux klan joined by the national socialimovement. >> we are here in support of the flag issue now they are taking it down. we see it as an assault on white people. >> power to the people. >> and education of justice. >> it's supposed to be a nation of democracy. democracy is hidden under the banner of white privilege, institutional supremacy.

>> they claim ties with the panther party. >> we are here not necessarily because of clan are here they are not that important are they. black men and women are being slaughtered daily. we have run out of solutions, begging for senators to do for us. >> messages clashing among the cloud. >> the police are here and they are working to keep the piece. i don't recall when a gentleman waved the flag when he tried to approach the steps of the capital. he had to get back. >> what did they tell you? >> they got the right of way up there. that i need to come back over here. that is not right. i'm trying to honour my heritage, i'm not trying hate red. the lady hollering at me i got out of her way, i didn't do nothing for her.

>> after five decades, waiving on the grounds of the safe house, it was time for the confederate flag to come down the debate reignited after nine churchgoers. dillon roof was seen posing with the flag. angry about his renewal. it was a window back into the conversation. >> is it relevant for the clan. >> the clans are relevant. >> numbers are lower than in histedry. >> that's speculation. the numbers are here. the amount of people willing to get in the streets is a little lower. >> what does that tell you? a lot of people fear the system and the government. >> among the chanting and arguing there were fears for peace. on this steamy day it's clear.

the flag remains a divisive symbol taking it down doesn't eliminate racial tensions that made it so polarizing in the first place. >> it's estimated the crowds were around 2,000 people. five were ro.d seven treated for injuries and it was the police that decided to end the rally about an hour early. >> we talked to arnold a white superprem sift and asked what they hoped to gain. >> the element of white supremacy depends on persecution. the clan will take a lot of hate out of the confederate flag taken down saying it's an a affront to white heritage. they equate it. they'll spin it to make them and white people in general look

like victims, that's the purpose of the rally. >> additional police were sent to columbia in inspection that violence could erupt. >> the family of ashraf ghani asking the family to expedite an investigation into his death. they held a rally, demanding the new york city police officer be charged. a memorial is planned this weekend as well. mourners packing a mississippi for the funeral of a man choked to death by police. witnesses saying 39-year-old jonathan sanders, dying in his buggy died after a fight with the police. the in texas, the case of sandra plan a young african american woman winding up in gaol dead three days after being pulled over for a routine

traffic stop. the trooper that arrested her violates the procedure. video shows bland on the ground. the trooper didn't follow proper procedures and violated a policy and is on desk duty. >> in saudi arabia they stopped six planned attacks during a crackdown on i.s.i.l. 431 were arrested some seizing guns computers and cash. i.s.i.l. carrying out a series of attacks planning to hit a diplomatic mission, as well as security in the upcoming weeks. >> i.s.i.l. is trying to create a risk in the season. it included citizens from saudi arabia, and other countries. >> suspects are from middle eastern countries and won't limit the eighty to recruit more

fighters. the west gate mall in kenya reopened today. shoppers and business owners going back to the mall. the israeli owned shopping center has x-ray machines bulletproof tasks, gun towers. >> iran's supreme leader describing america as arrogant in a speech to hardliners. ayatollah khamenei made his first speech since the nuclear deal with world powers. he didn't criticise but said iran would not change its policies including as classified for the u.s. and others and terror of the organizations. >> we will not support what is happening in the region suppressed people of palestine. the people of iraq the oppressed people of bahrain, jihad its and palestine. >> u.s. and iran sharing common interest.

the deal is seen as a victory for the president. be sure to tune in for an ali velshi report iran behind the deal. next - the state department gets ready to release a report on human trafficking. >> i'm thinking, well i'm desperate. i have nowhere else to go. he's threatened to kill me if i left. >> we'll take a deeper look at the worst offenders. >> later, california wildfires sending drivers running for their lives. >> secrets from outer space. the secrets of pluto, from 5 billion miles away.

it's saturday night, meaning it's time to take a deeper look at the human trafficking issue. cuba and malaysia expected to be upgraded. they are at the bottom of the list the bottom being the worst offenders. it is happening even they see no evidence to indicate either

country improves ights record. the reasons are political. >> reporter: the promises of a better life and job lure victims into a horrifying situation. me and the others were starving. they were throwing up as well. they left the village in bangladesh. i saw two people die. the bodies dumped. he thought he was on his way to malaysia. the state department was finalising the report tracking forced labour countries are rated. the lowest tear tear 3 plies to nations meeting the standards, are not making an effort to do so. malaysia meet the list with 22 other treats including thailand and malaysia.

sanctions can be economic and include armed embargoes. thailand is considered a hub. ed government officials are involved with the human traffickers. many local villages are involved. i don't think they benefit. >> reporter: if it remains on the t3 list it may avoid sanctions. the state departmented will not confirm or deny according to reuters, the u.s. plans to upgrade malaysia. 19 senators signed a statement saying that it would undermine the integrity of the process. and compromise efforts. many are exploited and attracted to practices. it's difficult to fathom how the

state department could upgrade. with the reestablishment of diplomatic relations between cuba and the u.s. cuba is liking it be lifted to a tear 2 watch list. a recommendation that the report made, was to pass a law criminalizing prostitution for teenagers, 16 to 18. who fall in an area of consent. >> it's unclear that cuba has to follow up. even in the u.s., it makes it difficult. >> it's a crime that is profitable on the commercial side of things. you can bring in a young girl. enter her into the sex trade and sell her over and over. >> a man showed up. i was desperate. he threatened to kill me if i

left. >> as you just saw in courtenay's report thailand, a regional hub, says it's taking steps to crack down on gangs engaging in human trafficking. they will avoid sanctions even if thailand stays at the bottom of the list. >> thai authorities are not concerned about sanctions being imposed on them by the u.s. over their action or inaction on human trafficking. as far as they are concerned. they are doing all that they cab. in a report released regarding the government's progress. they are clear to mention that convictions and investigations dropped in comparison to 2013, but are investigating in the two areas, to make sure that those involved in human trafficking are brought to justice. conviction rates were in 2014,

104. in the year of 2013 they were 225. the conviction rates or individuals that were incarcerated range from six months to 30 years, making sure that a clear message is being sent out. those that have been the victims of trafficking have been repatriated or given a leave of stay to remain in thailand. investment in human trafficking, as far as authorities are concerned is practically doubled. on a budget of 6.3 million, to 15.1. a clear message that the thai authorities want to get out to the international community. >> phil robertson is the deputy director for asia human rights watch and is joining us from cape codd, and david abramowich is the president of

environmental relations at humanity united. when we talk about the issue of human trafficking, paint the picture that the audience understands. we are not talking about grey areas, they are modern day slaves or worse, sex slaves. yes, we are talking about a system where trafficking or forced labour - there's a various number of issues. >> does the list include countries that turns a blind eye to slavery. if so, what age are we talking about here? >> children are in slavery all around the world. whether in the cotton fields or sexual slavery in thailand and malaysia. children as young as four and six can be found picking cocoa in ghana and other countries.

there's many efforts, there's young children that are involved and put into forced labour. >> nine senators signed the letter send to john kerry, why if the united states is a beacon of freedom, is there a debate in the country about whether a country does or does not engage in human trafficking? >> i think this issue came up at this time because of the trade debate that has been going on in washington. malaysia has been a country taking steps, but you don't see change on the ground. in malaysia - that's why 19 senators, and a separate letter from the house of representatives sent to the secretary of john kerry saying don't undermine the report. the report is so important, if you don't tell the truth in it

you'll weaken the leadership in our ability. is there any chance in your mind that this is about politics. >> it's clear they are about politician in the rates. they may include a record in any way, shape or form. victims of trafficking, we are seeing little support. it doesn't result in prosecution, an exportation of migrants for forced labour sex traffickers. >> mr obramowich forget about trafficking. we like the cheap clothes that we get from those labels and looking at those, and cheap

technology, are we to blame for what happens? >> there's no question that the consumer demand for products and products with a low price point is fuelling the need to try to find the cheapest possible labour if you look at the attitudes of the american people, they are prepared to pay more, in order to have a product that is at least products that are made by companies of zero tolerance. we have to be aware of this and companies are slowly starting to respond and think about their supply chains and responsibilities. if not slave free there's a zero tolerance for. >> do you believe that the american public will develop the con shens and demand change because we have been talking

about this issue for years. >> it's going slowly i will say that in many countries the organization that i work for, they are trying to take this seriously. it's in part because they are afraid of their brand, and in part because they are in a war challenge, and young people want to work for companies that take these issues seriously. i'm not saying that they are at the place we need to be. if you look at the supply chain transparency act. there's a way to create transparency. the president of the united states president obama put forward a slave free or trying to ensure there's no federal procurement involved. he has a ways to go. those are good signs that there's a start going on here.

>> stand by. we'll give you something literally to chew on. most of the food comes from asia. would you eat it if you knew it came from slaves. and the workers in malaysia forced to work for little or know pay to keep you with demand. a life of hor jor we have never imagined. working in a remote corner of indonesia. >> they suffer in silence. they came to investigate claims of human trafficking and slavery. fisher many say they were forced to work without pay. >> you can call this slavery indeed. when they were sick. they'd be called by the captain. when they were tired they were treated inhumanely. yes, this is slavery.

>> these pen say they were sold to the fishing country by an agent in thailand who promised them a job in a restaurant. instead, they were given a job far from home. they escaped. >> translation: maybe some on the boats wanted to be there. not me or others. they told me to accept the situation. i didn't. i wanted to go home. >> the prison company used a cell to lock up fisherman, desperation written on the walls. >> for sure i'll get hem one day. -- home one day. if there's a way in there should be a way out. the way out has come. after listening to testimonies, investigators take them to a better place. >> this shows how desperate they are, as soon as the government

announced they were going to bring them to safety. they are living a life they recall full of fear and horror and going to a life of uncertainty, most importantly, they are going home. the victims of human trafficking are a small group of fisherman stuck in indonesia. this person is glad to go home after four years, the fate of others hangs in the balance. mr robertson, i'll start with you this time. i have seen sometimes that there's between 20 and 30 million human slaves. 80% are women, is that true. >> it's a hart thing so say, you have difficulty estimating a hidden trade, a trade that

prides itself on the long numbers. we stayed away because pacific cases - we don't need to look at large numbers. people that we saw, they are trafficked under thai fishing fleets. they are heard in an evasive way. and that is what is happening now. >> is it true that there are more slaves now than ever before in human history? >> with the numbers that the international labour organization put out. 21 million slaves at any one time that is the case there's more slaves now than ever. if you look at - going back to malaysia, in one of your set up pieces, there's an estimated

4 million migrants in malaysia, and one suggested that up to 30% of those 4 million are in a diseefr labour exploitation. these are huge numbers, and the cases are shocking. i agree with phil that the numbers ask the painful experiences that people have which is why we need to make sure that the trafficking person's report by the state department is as honest as possible so we can increase awareness. >> there are reports i have seen, and mr abramowich we'll stay with us because we are working on the audio of mr robertson. we have seen in horror movies people bought and sold for their organs. is there evidence that that happened. >> there is evidence that that does happen. it seems less pervasive or worldwide. there has been cases where there are indications that individuals

are told that they are going to get a medical procedure, and then it turns out that there is organ trafficking. this is an area that is difficult to quantify. there has been serious reports and ones that have been confirmed. >> we have re-established communications with you. i understand that a sex trafficker quoted as saying you can buy an woman, for as much as $10,000, if she's pretty you can make your money back in a week and then everything after that it profit. have you heard those figures? >> it's happening around the world. people are getting away with this. a lot of time officials are involved in looking the other way or directly involved in

making the money from scams in the trafficking networks. we see this where it is based on a regular basis. and malaysia is not much better. the situation in both of these countries is why it is made. we have not seen significant improvements in either of these countries, meriting the upgrade that some believe malasha deserves. we disagree. we think it's about u.s. politics and is connected to the trade deal that president obama is trying to keep malaysia in and legislation in the progress saying that a country on tier 3 will not be part of a deal put to congress. >> thank you both for being with us. we apologise for the technical difficulties. the information was too

important to ignore when we come back new concerns for safety at recruitment centers in the u.s. >> there's a high amount of communication between individuals friday in targetting the government at the recitement centers. >> next, the call for changes in the way that soldiers are protected. and the f.i.f.a. scandal. a key offender enters a plea in a brooklyn courtroom. >> and what happens when an out of control wildfire gets a little close to a busy high school. very daens temperatures. -- dangerous temperatures. all that when we return.

welcome back jamar, here are -- al jazeera america, here are the top stories - ayatollah khamenei described america as arrogant. the followers channelling death

to americas. . he spoke for the first time since the deal. he didn't criticize the deal, but said no others would be made. hundreds rally in south carolina, the k.k.k. protesting the removal from the state house, another group, black educators for statement justice, associated with black panthers protested the clan a fifth sold we are, randall smith, died from his injuries. he was shot at the navy support center in chattanooga. this is not the first time military recruitment centers have been targeted. they have been open to the public. service members inside are unharmed. something that many say needs to change. >> reporter: open for business, but a sombre mood in american

canyon california. the attack that killed four marines and injuring three others in a recruiting center it is on their minds ass they work quietly. few people walk through the doors, and yet rubin says sign him up. >> i like the concept of being a superhero, saving lives. the closest thing i'll get is joining the military. >> reporter: the 24-year-old is not afraid to stand outside. and veterans came out to support soldiers in chattanooga, and elsewhere. >> it gives me more drive to want to go get the guys. >> the officers are vulnerable. >> because of a location in strip mauls. most of the access is walking. there's a lot of foot traffic. difficulties to which you create

a hardened tart. >> reporter: david teaches at university. >> we have a high rate of communication that goes on. and in those interested in targetting the government. >> there's a history where those inside are unarmed. in trial date a recruitment center was bombed. a year later. they were shot and killed. >> recruiters get training for shooters. they train to take account of their training. following an attack on marines in chattanooga, he wants to be one of those protecting the u.s.a. the first top soccer official appearing in federal court, jeffrey webb pleading not

guilty to racketeering. he is one of seven f.i.f.a. officials arrested in may. >> reporter: here on the island nation here in the caribbean, they know jeffrey webb better than everyone. he was almost unmatched. number one he is from the nearby kaman islands in and beyond that he was the president of c.o.n.c.a.c.a.f. the regioning body for north and central america and the caribbean. web's power was unmatched. he had visited this island of anguilla most recently in 2013 where he stepped in on construction work, and was showered with prays by local official. web's influence went beyond the caribbean region. he was considered an up in

coming power player, and part of the powerful executive committee since 2012, and served on sub committees he was on the transparency and compliance committee. ironic because it's web himself that is accused by the u.s. justice department of taking part in massive corruption and fraud. the key allegation against web from the justice department is that he received a bribery money, along with others totalling more than $40 million, according to the accusation for the broadcast rights for the copa america tournament. so the football world watching this case and the entire corruption case against f.i.f.a. closely. no more so than in this region. the caribbean where they consider jeffrey webb almost a native son. >> doug is a sports attorney

and is a managing partner at the dle. thank you for being with us. jeffrey webb has been extradited to the united states. did you believe it would play out that way? >> i did. when you look at the swift nature of the may indictment. the 47 counts the file for extradition of several individuals, mr webb was the first of seven. i imagine there would be six that follow. >> is there something that the audience is missing in the story. the f.i.f.a. officials are being indicted. jonathan betz went to an island where one official was hailed as a hero because he, i guess in a way of putting it brought home the bacon. if this practice has been going on, are these men the tip of the iceberg. will we get to the surface of what has been going on for so long. >> there is a certain robin hood

element to what you are alluding to. some officials took payments for reasons, but some bled off to the third world country men. and there were ancillary benefits to the general populous. it's more the exception than the rule itself. what the d.o.j. investigation revealed was 2.5 decade of conspiracy dealing with racketeering, wire fraud, money laundering and a variety of other malfeasance. it's a global issue. done by the department of justice, in concert with their sister organisation. it was an incredibly details investigation. this truly is the tip of the iceberg. this is not the closing act, it's the opening sequence. this will lead to greater detail greater, unfortunately

damage but within that an unprecedented opportunity to improve the organization. i said that when you are facing a crisis like this this is a chris sis situation in f.i.f.a. you are faced with the choice you can cut off the arm to save the body. and believe that you will beat it through sheer will power. that will not happen. they have to make the amputation. >> six officials are held in swits. what do you -- switzerland, what do you expect their fate to be. it turns on an individual basis. each individual has an opportunity to contest the validity. as we saw with mr webb. he oible, will be the -- i believe, will be the first of

seven. it is judged on an evidentiary basis, case by case. the swiss court will take their time and review the evidence as assembled. if the first case serves as a precedent. it will be in truce. >> what about f.i.f.a., do you get the feeling they get it. coca-cola wants to oversee reforms, do you think f.i.f.a. is listening? >> i think you hit the nail on the head. that is the question that this conversation centers around. here is what i mean. you can come in and replace the leaders, and turn the organization on its ear. that will not create change from an individual stand point. what will is turning off the financial spigot. let's go through a couple of

numbers. from 2010 to 2014, f.i.f.a. did 5.2 billion in revenue. for the world cup, 6.2 billion in profit. 6.4 billion in broadcast and 1.5 billion in media. they did 1.6 billion in top-level spoon or. coca-cola and mcdonald's. this is a large skilled organization, most of which are publicly traded. they feel the pressure because of responsibility. as all of these things came out. coca-cola's consumers, and i'm not talking about their stockholders, but they are putting pressure on the organization and coke is in a position to see f.i.f.a. - as they pull others will follow and the f.i.f.a. tent will collapse

the money will go with it. other marketing collapses. >> sports attorney and managing partner of dle from washington. in southern california rain and cooler weather helped to calm the wildfire crossing interstate 15. it was contained but it burnt. 5 square miles were caught. firefighters focussing on protecting a few hundred homes in that area. southern california getting relief. kevin corriveau is here on that. >> not too soon as well with that situation. that could have turned bad quickly. i want to show what is happening. we are looking at the rain and temperatures, cooler because of the rain. you can see an area of blue. 67 near san berna dino. it's warmer but cooler than

what we saw earlier. in the relative humidity. we are looking into the mid '80s. we have another problem with rain coming into play, we are talking about flooding. warns are issued across southern cafl your, and flood warns, and that is because it's so dry, when it reigns, the rain has no place to go and makes it dangerous for a flash flooding situation. you want to be careful. as we go towards monday things will calm town a bit. the other problem is on the eastern seaboard. temperatures here across parts of new jersey and peninsula. the heat in that will be about 100 to 105 across the region. as well as heat vise ris along

the eastern seaboard. what is happening is a gold front is coming down. that will bring source. anything to the south will be warm. washington is 97 degrees. it does not include heat index with humidity. it is we go towards monday the threat goes down as you see towards the south, we are looking at temperatures to memphis, temperatures 98 degrees. rainy, 96. dangerous situation, you want to stay inside. >> sorve, thank you -- kevin corriveau, thank you very much. secrets about pluto. the first pictures that took nine years, and yes 5 billion miles to bring them to life - up next.

scientists were fascinated finding high res photos of plouto saying ice mountains and canyons. pluto and its moon show no look at tidal forces and they are baffled by how it was formed. we have the former commander from international space station. thank you for being with us. when you saw the images back from pluto. with them 720 million, nine years to get there. i ask you the rhetorical question - was it worth it? >> absolutely photos are stunning. the science coming back surprised everyone. we have discovered as you mentioned, 11,000 foot peaks. ice on the water. gas. we have a look at an interesting

formation. there's a 12 mile irregularly shaped documenter, a plane in the heart of that heart-shaped area. scientists are baffled about what that is as well. >> there are those that say if we can't put a man on the planets or mine the minerals or natural resources is this just an extension of the telescope? >> i don't think that is really a valid thing to say. you are getting a close look at the furthest planet dwarf planet in the solar system. this will deflect back and us learn about the formation of our home. you can ask about the value. knowledge - you don't know where the knowledge will take you. this is definitely worth it it's an amazing tech namal feat operational feat to get to the planet.

9.5 years of flying at 31,000 miles per hour. it's pretty fantastic that we hit our target. >> do you think the public grasped the concept that for the first time in our lives we visited all of the planets in our solar system. >> it's an incredible achievement. when i was a kid, it seemed like wow, the time it would take to get a probe. we are not sure if it's more than an icy ball. i'm glad the new horizons team had a vision to put the proposal together and have it executed. 9.5 years of flight. it took many years to get it approved, built, tested and launched. it was incredible. >> the shuttle fleet that you commanded is no longer flying. president kennedy said that we should put a man on the moon. does america miss the boldness

of leaders that want to reach for the stars, among the few that we were able to do. >> i remember i was a little kid when he made the speech. i remember the excitement and energy managing to great the goal of landing a man on the move before the end of the decade. it's hard to imagine something like that happening. toll ticks was different. we were in a space race with the soviet union. our sworn enemy at the time. things were urgent. i would like to see a leader step up saying i will commit to exploring space. i'm optimistic that we'll see that hopefully in the not too distant future. >> do you think the modern politicians are afraid to tackle this mission. missions to mars et cetera are fraught with peril.

do you think we are so politically correct that we are afraid to take reveningss and -- risks and reach for the stars. >> i said it's a problem in society today. we are afraid of being risk averse. not that we shouldn't. we need to take risks. expirations have changed. while we see fantastic things. now horizons and others it's tile to take a fuel look at the phrase as well. >> i have another question to ask, when the deep horizons reached pluto, what was your reaction? >> i thought it was fantastic. i was waiting with everyone else to see the images correct. it was a journey fraught with peril. there was debris and there was a

chance that the spacecraft could be touched i was... >> we'll have to leave it at that. thank you for being with us. i'll be back tonight. see you

on "america tonight" the weekend edition, cosmic cash buying in on the most valuable souvenirs from space. >> you orbit the moon or did it go to the moon and land. if it landed on the moon was it taken out. >> "america tonight"s adam may with the lowdown. and gearing up... ..the pentagon's most expensive weapon system. should it be cleared for take off. >> thing of it as