that make a difference. that open your world. >> this... is what we do. >> america tonight. tuesday through friday, 10:00 eastern. only on al jazeera america. >> i'm david schuster in for ali velshi. "on target" tonight. the invisible threat, how hackers could seize control of american infrastructure and do serious damage. and different kinds of cops, what could change police departments for good. living in an increasingly wired world comes at a cost that's both be impossible and dangerous to ignore. more dramatic evidence of that be be involving an experiment

with a christ her jeep cherokee, changing the vehicle's speed and change its ac and radio by hack into the entertainment system. ultimately they disabled the brakes and transmission all from a remote location in st. louis. the reporter wasn't hurt in the demonstration and today chrysler says it has a software fix that will prevent hacks of its vehicles. if only it were that simple to fight the barrage of attacks. james clapper says the united states is now confronting. he made the statement when he said the governments of russia china north korea and iran have all infiltrated the networks. encouraging the government the private companies and nonprofits to share more information to fight cyber threats. he described what he thought was

one of the great pair dosms of ouparadoxes ofour crime. >> targeted from hackers of china and russia who go after our defense systems that are meant for our troops. >> at a huge cost, last year it cost the global economy as much as $575 billion. jungenuinejuniper research saidd triple, and a lot of that come on attacks in north america. to understand the threat of cyber criminals, the threat extends from your personal information to the utilities that supply the gas, oil and electricity that the world relies on. mary snow has the second part of the series of invisible threat

of cyber crime. >> this is one of the web based marketplaces on the dark web. this can you buy and sell almost anything. >> reporter: dan de phillipi a hacker took me on a tour of the dark web starting in chat rooms. >> date of birth social security number driver's license, people looking for credit card numbers. >> reporter: within minutes under the name on target we were able to start negotiating for someone named viking for negotiating bank accounts. >> he's saying it's $5 for dump. we'll see if he can give us a bank account. >> but an offer of payment is as far as de phillipi would go. there were times when he would turn those into thousands of dollars of cash a day. >> does it become sort of a game? >> it was a game absolutely.

it's definitely more than the money. easy money is great and all. is but the fact that i could go into the store and pretend i was anybody and get anything for tree was definitely a rush. >> reporter: a relinquish that has fueled cyber criminals and cyber spies, and turned consumer protection into a game of protecting our wallets as well as our infrastructure. >> cat and mouse game. >> always a cat and mouse game and usually the hearings are one step ahead. >> reporter: and moving at the speed of light the hack attacks are becoming more frequent, destructive and sophisticated. hacks allegedly by north korea on sony pictures to an alleged iranian attack on the sansdz casino to sensitive e-mail from our own president and data breach at the office personnel management. >> for the first time we've seen damaging cyber attacks inside the united states done for

political purposes. this never happened before. >> james lewis is a cyber security expert. he says russia china and iran have all done cyber reconnaissance on critical infrastructure networks that kind of preparation could lead to attacks like one at a german steel mill. a recent report showed the steel mill was hacked, giving hackers access to the mill's control systems. part of the plant failed, including a blast furnish as that could not be shut down as normal. >> the attack on the german steel mill was really interesting. there are only afew countries in the world that have a capability to do this kind of attack, right? only a handful of countries could do something like that. but it is fright thing because they were able to -- frightening because they could get into the control systems for steel milt and damage them and cause physical damage. this is an example of what a cyber attack could do if it was

used by terrorists or in a war. >> reporter: cyber warfare can be conducted remotely and anonymously as authorities at cymation demonstrated. >> we could cause a rupture in this pipeline. >> researchers showed how easy it would be for a hacker to take over the controls of a utility and cause gas and water tanks ooverflow and explode. for demonstration the pipe is filled with water but it could be filled with oil or even gas. >> there are safeties in here such as whether the isolation valve is closed we should also turn off this pump. >> reporter: but that didn't happen because the researchers were able to hack the controller. >> as an operator you are completely locked out. >> in the past year there have been 79 hack ago tacks against u.s. energy companies that were investigated by the computer

readiness team, a division of the department of homeland security. leaving utilities to spend on cyber security teams like those led by fred rika at kpmg. >> it is a threat that utility companies take very seriously and i can tell you that the utilities i have worked have taken a lot of countermeasures to protect themselves. their systems are not connected to the internet. they have built redundancy into their systems. >> but is it enough? experts say no, 1970s era technology that wasn't built to stand up to cyberwarfare. a new study of 500 security chiefs from 26 member countries in the organization of american states found over half have seen an increase in cyber attacks against critical infrastructure over the past year. the report also revealed that the attackers tried to manipulate equipment through an

industrial control system. >> we only have to think of real life examples. an air are traffic control system going down and disrupting flights or blackouts that plunge cities into darkness to imagine what a set of systematic cyber attacks might do so this is a matter of public safety. >> a matter of public safety and a matter of foreign policy. >> the top 20 or 30 hacker groups who are mainly russian speaking are as good as the intemtion services or militaries of most governments around the world. these are great programmers, great math mat itions megreat m. >> state sponsored hacking from china is to blame for theft of indulge property. >> in terms of sheer volume and in terms of economic longevity,

i think that the chinese groups continued target being towards economic data, it's the ceo's e-mail around the m & a deal, it's the board meetings discussing which projects get funded. >> without clear diplomacy in place our cyber bullies are vulnerable and a cat and mouse game continues. >> mary snow joins us. when there's a major hack and another country is behind it what are the issues? >> this is a real dilemma. james lewis as he put it, edward snowden revealed that the u.s. is on the networks of other countries, right? so if the u.s. chose to attack i.t. would compromise its intelligence gathering because if it did damage it would be damage that. the question comes down to intelligence gathering or astack. that's the choice that the u.s.

has. >> are there any legal avenues that the u.s. can pursue? >> we've seen that protecting not only consumers but companies has become a matter of policy rights, last year the department of justice did indict five members of the people's liberation army, but the indictments went nomp. it'nowhere.it's a real challeng. >> we have another report tomorrow night. next, global effort to shut it down, we'll take a closer look at how it was done and why your information remains vulnerable.

>> cracking down on cyber crime causes a lot of problems for companies and governments. hackers are spread across the globe often with countries that will not cooperate with law enforcement. but our next guest says that's no excuse. david hikton made worldwide headlines when he announced that the dark code with stolen databases and other technology used to steal information, was shut down. the effort spanned 70 countries and 12 arrests in the united states. the question is how much of a difference will it reallien make, david hickton joins us

from texas. other sites like silk road were shut down only to reopen. so are we kidding ourselves that this will make a difference? >> no, i don't think so. i don't think we can expect the hackers to give up but i think it's folly to simply say we should let them have their way. i think these prosecutions like silk road and dark road are critical. >> what about the argument that it's a waste of resources, your offices took unprecedented step of filing charges against the china liberation army. with no extradition treaty it is a futile effort and what about the argument that that effort should be spent on other people? >> i disagree, i'm an advocate of using criminal law enforcement as one of the tools in the tool box in dealing with the cyber-threat. we have been very active here in

pittsburgh. u.s. forces wuang dong, we indicted five members of the chinese pla. it is vital we bring case like that. ugeni bogachef, one of the largest hackers in russia, to get his capture in conjunction with the statement and fbi. you mentioned dark code. if we were to step the fact -- >> i'm sorry isn't it largely a symbolic effort though if in fact all can you do is bring the charges and yes, there is a bounty and everybody would love for them to be arrested, but without the ability to prosecute them, it is symbolic right? >> i totally disagree. the same argument was made with regard to drug cartels that were

terrorizing the united states 20 years ago, some of them are now in american prisons. we are dealing with a new threat in a dynamic environment. we must bring the charges where the crimes are being committed. we must reverse the default decision of simply allowing these crimes to be committed. and the fact that it's difficult to bring them to justice here is no reason not to bring the charges. i fully expect and i've said we will bring those five individuals from the pla to justice. we may bring them to justice in another forum. 12 countries cooperating in the bogachef case and 20 cooperating in the dark code case, recognizing citizens are victims of the cyber threat and there is absolutely no argument that i ask accept that would suggest that we should simply stand down and do nothing about it. >> fair point. but as one of the countries that's looking at this and

seeing they need to be more involved does that include china? >> well i think we've asked china publicly, then attorney general eric holder said at the press conference that we've asked for china's help. i recognize that this is going to be difficult but we do it not because it's easy, we do it because it's hard. this problem of cyber intrusions whether you're talking about stealing the intellectual property of our companies, private data of individual citizens threatens the public welfare and threatens the liestlelivelihood of the citizef this country. we cannot do nothing about it. law enforcement and criminal indictments are one tool in the tool box. i'm proud to be opening up that level of attack. >> david hickton, thank you for being on the program, we appreciate it it. tomorrow, part 3 of the series,

where nobody knows your name and anything goes. >> the thing about the dark web is it's largely invisible to law enforcement. that means that all of the illegal activities that you see in the physical world have kind of moved to the dark web. human trafficking, narcotics, counterfeiting. illicit arms trade. >> teens, young naked girls, real rape. >> right. >> you find a lot of those? >> when it comes to sex ads you can find just about anything. >> that's part 3 of our special record, tomorrow. coming up, race and the police. the department of justice speaks out about a critical national issue. >> i think it's sometime for us to say it is an issue. and it is an issue because of our history. it's an issue because we're human beings. >> we talked with the guy at the department of justice in charge of reforming justice in america.

how he intends to deal with race relations, next.

>> i've been asked to keep my voice down cause we are so close to the isil position

>> there was a historic moment today in ferguson, missouri. the embattled city named andre anderson as its second interim police chief. the first action was to restore trust between the community and the police chief. after an 18-year-old black man was shot last summer. at the helm of all this trust building is, the community oriented policing, davis is working with troubled police

departments like baltimore and philadelphia on voluntary reforms. that's different from ferkz fro, where mandatory changes are taking place. to change a culture of policing, it sounds like a tailor order you about he tells correspondent paul beban, this is the right time for change. >> hands up don't shoot. >> can't breathe. >> i think this is one of the most transformational moments in community completing. we have an opportunity to bring policing and communities together. we have had an opportunity to advance community policing like we vice president been able to in 30 decades. but advantages come in small windows, defining moments when we do have a national attention, we have captivated the attention of the country. people are very concerned and

very committed in advancing it. and so what would make me lose sleep is the idea that we don't move forward. that i would finish my service and we would be in the same place as a country as we were you know yesterday. >> that's a phrase that we hear a lot this is a transformational moment, there is a window of opportunity. is that a polite way of saying, things are really bad and we need to fix things now? >> no, but i would say if things are just bad and there's no context no history of success there is nothing as transformational as you're just trying to start something or do something new. >> triage. >> trying more triage is exactly right. it comes up with a history of police plan playing a very significant role in enforcing discriminatory laws. advancing community policing over the last two or three decades. i think as we come to the table as you now have support from the police, for the need for change, the community, recognizes the

need for change. i think elected officials, this is also a bipartisan moment where people are looking at the need for the kind of systemic changes, for the best changes of the current. what makes it trfnlingsal is not the size otransformational.but e need it. >> we will work with the department, helping them to implement the recommendations. >> how do you ensure when you make recommendations these things get done and you see real change? >> that's a great question. we are not the special litigation section but attorney general lynch has made it clear, we will not litigate into police reform. we don't have the enforcement of court, we have the enforcement through the court of public opinion. that we believe that we can empower the community to hold

its own department accountable. have the information what's work, what's not working, what it should be engaging in and to require the department to provide progress reports of its activities. >> you said elsewhere there are 18,000 police departments in the country. we're not going to sue our way to reform. >> that's exactly right. >> do you think or with that in mind is it your sense that we need sweeping reform that really every police department across the country at this moment of opportunity as you pointed out needs to change? >> well, i -- may push back on the phrase sweeping. it depends on wha what you are saying. we need to have changes in some of our operational policies but i think it would be naive to think that the changes that we're talking about are limited to the police. i think what you're seeing everybody recognizing is we need reform in our criminal justice system. charging, sentencing reform, right? the system itself how it serves

the community how we look at public safety and over the last 20 years i think in many cases we focused on the statistical reduction of crime and we in many cases ignored the collateral damage that those strategies had. so crime rates are down but even when crime rates being down communities are very concerned, some feel very disenfranchised, they seem disconnected from their own government, from their own police departments. so we need to make sure the strategies we deploy do more than reduce statistical crime, that they're fair, that they're legitimate, that people feel they have a fair shot in the system. >> how big of an issue is race between police and communities? >> i don't know if i would say big or small. i think it's time for us to say it's an issue and it's an issue because of our history. it's an issue because we're human beings and i think what i would say if i could put it in a phrase that in policing, we should accept that race does impact policing.

but there is a difference between race and racism. so to acknowledge that race can cause implicit bias that i have as an african american, that you have that alt of us have to protect against those biases, is a moral obligation. >> you didn't show up yesterday. >> i know, i forget about it. >> show up tomorrow. >> okay. >> to say a community racist is wrong. we need to do with racism through disciplinary process through the accountability, holding people accountable for their behavior. but we need to accept that race in policing is a much larger task as you're saying and it goes to who we ar are as people, you need to acknowledge and identify them when they show up and build systems to protect against it. >> paul beban joins us. he wants to measure it and work with it but how do you do it in

practical terms? >> well, david, what they believe in is training and data. training training, during that training they are measuring what police officers are going through. a great example what i did while we were in spokane, the use of force lab there where you go through simulations on the big screen like this and you are looked up to all kinds of telemetry. when police are confronting this kind of situation people of different race people of different sizes, people in different level of aggression. once they have that data they can sit down and say look here's the thing we need to focus on, here are the problems that are problematic, on a individual level and attack those things. in other words, plurg but in a different way. is it a challenging way as you saw? >> for me the experience was extraordinary. imagine someone going through

this day after day after day, this is uncharted territory, trying to track this data and retrain police how they're thinking how they are approaching the situation, the biggest problem is training and data, we are talking about cops and police departments across the country that are strapped for cash in the first place. they are looking to the government for training for assistance for grants to try to get these programs into place. >> paul beban, thank you. tomorrow we will continue with part 2 of paul beban's interview with iran ron davis. >> given the distance we've been in ferguson, and south carolina, would you believe that is the a low point. >> the revealing answer tomorrow. and that is our show for today. i'm david schuster in for ali velshi, thanks for watching.

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