i'm david shuster in for ali velshi "on target", the in visible threat. we take you in the darker corners of web where no one knows your name and anything goes. reforming america's cop. it's not about guns and badges, it's about building trust. from amazon to alibaba, the internet revolutionized how we buy everything. check this out. global retail e-commerce sales

are projected to double from $840 billion last year to more than 1.5 trillion in 2018. helping to fuel the surge is an explosion in mobile divices making buying on a smartphone or tab let a breeze. it's a breeze. it makes it easy to reach consumers and their wallets. including businesses run by criminals, like ross you'll brick, the founder of -- ulbricht, the founder of silk road. it helped buyers purchase heroin, cocaine, ls d and other jobs. prosecutors said it generated more than $200 million in illegal drug sales when the fbi shut it down. at a sentencing ulbricht said his goal was to empower people to make choices with privacy and anonymity, something that customers of silk road tame

called tore, the door that opens the dark web. the onion router, it includes features that resemble the layers of an onion, making the dark web an invisible threat. it's somewhere where those outside the law engage in commerce that men consider illegal or immoral. mary snow took a tour of the world where anything goes in, everything is for sale. >> on the dark websites advertising everything from heroin to hit men, sex to automatic rifles, are hidden behind layers of anonymity. >> so they are selling tasers, knives. something they have at oozy for

$9 or $10. >> reporter: is this typical of the background threats. >> yes. >> so anyone could buy this machine-gun, as long as they had money. >> that's right. >> created by the u.s. navy, the administration of the dark web was to protect confidential military secret and have open source intelligence, using a programme called tore, a labyrinth of virtual tunnels, by avoiding a connection, tore allows individuals to share public networks without compromising privacy. it was adopted by journalists and activists in foreign countries like iran and syria, where information is censored. it was not long before nefarious characters found marketplace they could operate without beak discovered. >> we saw sites where drugs, guns were for sale. stolen identification.

no one is going to come and police us. how is this able to happen. because people can't police you. because the way that you find a computer is through the ip dress. when you go in, there's no ip address. you could enter from anywhere in the world. how will find you. >> and tore created by the navy, envisiononing the dark side of what they were creating. this is a problem of a lot of policies, that we never imagined and done what we called crime proofing, where we thought about how what we developed could be misused and abused by non-state actors. it's like pandora's box. it can't be shut back in. dr louise shelly is a founder of terrorism transnational crime and corruption center, and leads

a team of researchers monitoring cyber crime and the dark web. >> it takes your ip address and sends it around through a software and spits out a different ip address on the other side, making it difficult for people to find out where you are from or who your. >> they showed us how easy it is to get set up on the dark web. in a matter of minutes he changing our if from virginia to new york. >> i can say we are from seattle. switzerland are, i can say what i want. now we are - dash you know, we don't know where we are coming from. >> now we can slip into another world. >> to operate in this world we need to set up an encrypted email. we'll need cipo currency bitcoin so purchases can't be traced. the first stop is the hidden wicky, a guide to sites and

products. this is the most up-to-date collection. >> so these websites, the links change often. and that's because they are shut down or busted. >> case in point, the infamous silk road. it was the largest marketplace on the dark web at the time it was seized and arrested. ross you'll brict in 2013. days later. a new commerce site 2.5 went up and the buying and selling of illicit its continued. >> they can higher a hacker, experienced hacker, never had a real job. had the time to get good of hacking. and made a good amount of money. this time last year, it was believed there was 18,000 products on the dark westbound. today there was 9,000 listed

across the black market. there's weapons, stolen credit cards, human organs, and as we found out kidnap for higher. solutions to common problems. we are an organised criminal group, former soldiers and mercenaries from the fsl. high ranking political. someone missing in access, $240,000, death by accident. $300,000. to par allies them, as much as $120,000. we don't know if it's real. >> we don't. what they say on here, how do we know you are not scammers, we don't take prepayments. >> hard to believe this can't bepoliced. >> very difficult. the dark web is a good place to engage in this criminal trait. james wrote the best selling cyber space, and said many of those running the site are in foreign countries where the u.s.

does not have extradition treaties or a foreign policy in place. >> the dark web is largely invisible to law enforcement. that beans that all of the -- means that all of the illegal activities kind of moved to the dark web and human trafficking, nar cot, counterfeiting, illicit arms trade. >> teens, young naked girls, real rape - do you find a lot of those? >> when it comes to sex sites you can find just about anything. >> there are 50,000 of these human trafficking sites on the dark web with the traffickers spending $250 million posting $60 million advertisements. between encryption, bitcoins and the dark web, prosecuting crimes is difficult. unlike a crime scene which has tape surrounding a street corner, the internet is the 21st

century crime scene. the evidence that we need to find is found historically. >> being able to track the digital footprint was nearly impossible until recently. the u.s. defense advance research agency built a programme called number of emex. right now, it is only in the hands of a few agencies. manhattan district attorney sex trafficking unit was among them. what memex does is trawl the entire web, not just the crust. as it crawls the web, it's alt look for with specialised technology, things like photographs or match phone numbers that are embedded in different photographs and to pull them up and put them in a

manageable database, when we can access rerue. the technology lead to indictments in new york city. >> i heard law enforcement refer to this as waca mole. is that how you describe it in terms of trying to shut one side down. and the problem is that many of the people working in government are not as flexible as the criminals. we are dealing with a nimble opponent. >> and we are losing. >> yes. >> mary snow joins us in studio. in all the extensive reporting that you have been doing, did you expect to find this kind of stuff? >> we expected the stolen information for sale. what is disturbing is to see how many of these sex trafficking sites are on the dark web, and we made a reference to one talking about rape.

also the volume of sites that are the so-called hit men for hire sites that are there. the sheer volume of illegal goods for sale, and the speed at which we could communicate with the help of a hacker with people selling. >> coming up, we'll talk about the dark web with a man that calls himself an ethical hacker. we'll tell you what it means. that's after the break.

we have seen the dark side of the web and black market biz areas that it encourages from stolen data to drugs, human organs and hit men for hire. why do we need the dark web. joining us is charles, who calls

himself an ethical founder. he joins us from syracuse. so many of us team to scratch the surface of the internet. why do we need the dark web? >> well, thank you for having me, first. the dark web is meant to interact people on a level where it can get a little scary. it's not necessary, but the people that do the services seem to get pushed further and further down because they've got, well, something to hide. as you saw, there's a lot to do with things you can't do in the real world. if you are caught in the real world doing it you'll spend a lot of time in gaol. >> that's the point. they are having to hide because so much of the activity is illegal. given that, why have the dark web provided them with protection. >> it's not that it is providing them with protection, it's what it was designed for. it was to help people

communicate anonymously. to traverse proportions of the outer level. as you call it, the crust of the web, for people not to worry about people tracking them. same principle that people turned to witness protection in the real world. there's someone, somewhere, whether it is for an ethical reason or a general privacy reason. >> yes, there are the criminals that will do it. you can't have the technology and not have both sides of the coin. >> you compare your hacker for higher to ebay with trackers on the one hand and people wanting to higher them on the other. you say the company patrols users for legal activity, what is your definition of legal? >> i'm based in the united states, i'm a certified hacker and bound by the laws of united states. i have to go through and verify and my staff is trained to do

this, to make sure it doesn't violate computer laws in the jurisdiction of the buyer. we look at credit card, ip, and compare it to what we know to be legal and illegal. >> what about those selling things. whether it's sex acts or certain types of weapons. just those kind of advertisements can be illegal. >> it can be. if you go through a hackers list, we don't have any, where people sell the information or most acts of a sexual nature. if you want to compare it to someone. look at the community of craig's list, we allow people to post what is appropriate on the hacker's list. we allow community so see it, flag it. >> are you encouraging hacking. by and of itself, it's something that seems ethically wrong with it. >> that's a problem. hacking is not illegal.

that is the general misconception that hackers are bad. hackers are people that design technology that we use. without it you wouldn't be able to use the internet or get your coffee. the bottom line is there are hackers out there to do good things. consumers need hackers. >> student need hackers if they want someone to break into their school and change their grids, is that illegal. >> that's what people think hackers are used for. >> can people use that system on your website to do that? >> no, they won't be able to complete the transaction. they can ask for the service or find someone willing to entertain that idea. when my staff sees it, it's disappeared. they arriving the questions, if we find out it's illegal or grey, it will not pass.

>> you heard the piece that mary snow did, given your knowledge and experience on the dark web, is there anything you can think of that the government could do to make sure that those like yourself, your business, is working fine, yet we have an ability to weed out people that do want to engage in nov airious activity. >> the problem of modelling that we have is it's an all or nothing. the government and, you know, institutions have the ability to monitor traffic on the internet. it's too much information. as they dig deeper, they'll have the bad guys on one hand and the vast majority of people using it who are not doing anything illegal. you are going to scoop and collect the information on everyone. if you want to remain private, which is what the biggest deal is, you'll have a problem controlling it and monitoring people for the activity they do. >> charles, thank you for coming on the program. we appreciate it

in theory, our legal system is designed to prevent people from inheriting debt. "on target"s correspondent reports it's not working. >> i believe my parent didn't know there was anything wrong >> reporter: his parents abandoned their ability opening one had his name, he was 12. >> did you inherit debt. >> i did. and i knew i was inheriting debt at some point. i was a teenager and we needed the lights on. >> that's "on target" tomorrow at 10:30pm. coming up, the alarming drop in trust being cops and the communities they serve. >> i think what is happening is through the use of technology, some of the tragic incidents, it's bringing to light that there's a lot of mistrust. in the communities and communicate wris of colour. paul beban talks with the guy at the department of justice,

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august 9th marks the one year anniversary of the police shooting of michael brown, an unarmed black teenager in ferguson, missouri. across the nation - it fuelled a year of unrest, anger and distrust of police. what a year it's been. not just because of apparent police brutality in ferguson, baltimore and mark, but what happened afterwards. there has been sweeping reforms. the goal is to rebuild trust

between police and angry community. ronald davis is the director of the cops programme at the department of justice - community altered policing. he has a mass itask - reform police, change the way they deal with the community and build trust. paul beban sat with davis to find out how he plans to accomplish all of it. >> hey, you guys want to fight, do it some place else. the policing industry made a lot of progress. we know that there's a lot more to go, and there is a lot of mistrust in the communities. focussing on establishing that relationship. once the policing community had the relationship, there's few problems that we can solve together. >> given the deaths and ferguson, south carolina and other areas, would you say trust in the splitting community is at

a low point. >> that's too general. there's an area where police and communities do noteworthy activity, there's places where trust is at his lowest. what is happening is through the use of technology, is bring to light that there's still a lot of mistrust. a lot of generated mistrust in communities, commounies of colour. whether that is in the last 20 years, we can make sure that the mistrust hurts public safety, putting communities at risk, public safety at risk. we need to address is in general. as we look to address it, we can turn to the field and see if there's great activities going on over the country. >> how do you address the fact that in some communities where trust may be at a low, there's a

lack of respect for law enforcement. there's a sense that they are not legitimate in those communities. you have a whole generation of people that think disobuying place command will be the way out of some of these situations. >> i don't know if people think disobeying commands is a way out. research is showing that i think you used the key word, legitimacy, that people are more likely to comply with the law and orders of police officers, if they feel those laws and orders are fair, that they are being applied without bias, and when people believe that, you see compliance. we know this is procedural justice, why people comply with the law, why you stop at a red light when no police officer is near you, why you comply with the law is not just because of the fear of police or incarceration, you believe in the law, recognise the necessity

and believe it's fair. >> to the extent that the criminal justice is bias three, to the extent that people see the legitimacy that you talked about. the noncompliance that exists, in many cases people have lost faith in the system, and the system is not serving them. how do you respect or comply with something you think is discriminating against you, targetting you, count to your own well being. >> and you mentioned research, and a thing that we here a lot about is data, tracking outcomes. trust is not something you can put a number on, right. how do you measure when trust is restored in ferguson or baltimore or philadelphia. >> i think it's not a single number. i think there's a combination of factor, and that is one of the research questions that a lot of my colleagues at the institute of justice will grapple with.

a couple of members that we can look at, when trust goes up, the compliance goes up, you would want to see use of the force go down. complaints reduced. litigation could be reduced. community celebrates with satisfaction. people's involvement may go up. case clearance, the rate at which we saw murders, because people are likely to help you if they trust you. >> there are indicators that in the absence of other problems you read it as trust addressing. the system is functioning better. >> you could. for example, if people had trust in the system you could see issues of reporting crime, because people believe you'll do something about it. if people have confidence in the complaint process, that you are willing to investigate your officers. >> you mean complaints against officers. they'll complain more. >> they'll complain more, and it will go down, because you have a

relationship with the community. >> paul, it's interesting that complaints might go up as trust is rebuilt between police and the community that is counterintuitive. >> when people start to trust the police force, they'll complain more because they feel their complaints will not be ignored and they'll get a response. at the same time when relations improve between police and the communities, police report more job session and less stress. as the dynamic plays out. you'll see more positive interactions, happier police force and community. that's the process we hope for. is there proof that the cops division informs police that it is building trust, he's working. >> community policing isn't new. >> it is knew. >> it started in 2011. the first city that went through a programme, and the number one

thing that we found there. after the programme, shooting went down. there is anecdotal data there, that the community is more satisfied. we'll wait and see there. one of the biggest things. they didn't want that programme audited. and try to draw broader conclusions about whether the cops programme working on a national level. >> we'll follow up and find out interesting stuff. >> tomorrow, part 3 of paul beban's interview with ron davis. we examine the power of saying "i'm sorry", what happens when police apologise and own up to what they have done wrong. >> the minute communities - you have people in the community, we are talking that history suggests that there's time law enforcement played a negative role in enforcing discriminatory

laws. many are live and well and living in the community. >> part 3 of paul beban's community tomorrow. that is our show for today. i'm david shuster in for ali velshi. thanks for watching. theatre shooting - a gunman opens fire in a louisiana movie theatre, details on the latest deadly mass shooting. campaign stop... >> there's a huge problem with the illegals coming through. and in this section it's a problem. >> trump brings his tough immigration message to the boarder. >> uphill battle. >> it's not a better