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and the economic downturn. they are celebrating the promise of a successful games. much more on the summer olympics in rio on our website, www.aljazeera.com. you will find the day's other top stories there as well. >> i'm ali velshi. "on target" tonight. losing control. hackers taking your car for a joy ride while you're driving. how vulnerable are you and what other mayhem are cyber criminals cooking cooking up? plus 70 years after hiroshima, two survivors remember. this week, thousands of professional computer hackers are descending on las vegas for the annual black hat convention. the big topic they're talking about is cars. today's auto industry has
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transformed itself into one of the most high tech industries in the world. cars now have as many as 10,000 lines of computer code in them. one of the most anticipated announcements of the black hat convention, two infamous hackers, chris and charlie revealed today how they were able to hack into a 2014 jeep cherokee remotely. they hacked into it from their living room while someone else was driving it down the highway compromising the car's security and endangering the car's security. how dangerous our cars are today. while the feat was attempted before by academics, the information was never revealed as too sensitive. a major wakeup call for the auto industry, security patches that seem frantically thrown today. the federal government is threatening to increase its
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scrutiny of computers in cars. that's why hackers like chris and charlie are hell-bent in revealing their hacking techniques to the world. they want more people to hack more makes and models, not for r malicious intent but to pressure the auto industry to act. security experts say that the industry is about as advanced in its cyber-security as computer companies were back in the 1990s meaning it needs a lot of catching up. the likelihood your car is going to get hacked right now is remote but this is a big deal because the technology in the machines we drive is evolving. and self-driving cars don't seem like a far fetched idea anymore. what chris andcharlie have revealed is a growing vulnerability to safety and security on the road and as allen schauffler reports this is the first of many more hacks to come. >> it is a nightmare scenario. >> remember andy, don't panic. >> you're driving down the road
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and suddenly, your car goes berserk. >> your car goes craz crazy because i can't do anything. >> they spent the last year and lot of money learning everything they can about the 2014 jeep so they could lack the system remotely from charlie's living room. >> i didn't know what they were going to do at all. >> wired magazine writer andy greenberg was the unlucky guinea pig behind the wheel. >> i was really sweating, it was a really unsettling experience. >> we are killing the engine right now. >> reporter: charlie and chris killed the engine on a highway with no shoulder and a truck barreling up behind andy. >> i'm stuck on the highway. >> i think he's panicking. >> i joked with chris and
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charlie that i would never forgive them for this. >> i want the accelerator to work again. >> it won't work you're doomed. >> they were laughing, of course you're laughing it's hilarious. if a buddy shut down your car i would pow! >> chris is investigating automobile security for three years. it's not an imminent threat right now. they want to put the auto industry on alert it's time to crack down on security. >> we are able to control steering braking, turn off braking. >> through the 3d data connection, pretty much same technology inside we have on our smartphones to connect to the internet only not that secure. >> this is ada she's adorable. >> he invited us to his home in pittsburg to give us the item
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how they did it. >> it says carrier sprint it's wireless does 3g. this is called like a dogger board, since they are coupled together and they communicate in a very primitive fashion we found ways to use that communication to our advantage. and reprogram this chip from this chip. so we said hey, seller stuff, reprogram this stuff. okay. what do i reprogram it? our bad firm wear that we're giving them. >> it sounds kind of easy but it isn't. >> the barrier is so high it takes the energy and effort that it is not commoditized. you can't make this happen, there's a lot of steps and work involved. >> imagine someone turning off your car and calling you up and say hey for $1,000, i'll turn that car back on you.
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osh foor for $24 a month, that r will always be available to you. >> behind the scenes i think it will be a growing threat. >> fiat chrysler has patched the vulnerability in the jeep just one week before his article went to press in wired magazine. even though they alerted the company of the bug nine months before. >> security website that they posted with a press release on their website. what they did to fix this incredibly dangerous problem that could endanger people's lives. >> days later, chrysler issued a recall for 1.4 million vehicles. >> i don't know how quickly they moved, i suppose really slowly. >> fiat chrysler said in a statement, similar to a smartphone or tablet, vehicle software can require upstairs. for improved security protection
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to reduce the potential risk of unauthorized and unlawful access to vehicle systems. and that's part of the problem. as technology advances, cars are becoming slick computers. that are connected to each other. and outside networks. but without the sophisticated computer security that comes with things like our iphones and tablets. >> as we look into the future of how cars are designed there are more and more computers that are being placed into the network of the car that are not tested in the same way for security flaws, the same way as that physical mechanisms are tested. >> most worrisome there is no universal fast way to fix a software vulnerability with over the road are vehicles. that probably won't change for a while. >> car makers and automotive in general are locked into these long equipment cycles.
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there is a resistance, because when you are buying a car now chances are that car was designed four or five years ago. >> senator ed markey proposed legislation that would set standards for onboard security, called the spy car act and it would also create a rating system so the consumers would know just how protected they are. >> one of the things we absolutely need is the federal government to make sure that car companies are as accountable for cyber-security as they are accountable for the physical security mechanisms of the car. >> but the auto industry doesn't agree. the alliance of automobile manufacturers told us in a written statement quote what auto makers need now is not a new regulatory scheme. in fact, some of the bill's proposed requirements could provide consumers with a false sense of security in an ever changing data-driven technical world." about.
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>> here's the think, technology is moving so quickly in vehicles, the federal lawmakers, nitsa is having a hard timekeeping up with it oop mp i don't think a regulation like senator markey is proposing is a solution. >> a way to protect the consumers without the help of the government. >> we are in uncharted territory, a software security vulnerability had a recall of physical product of that magnitude. so it's really need to see that hackers like us that are out there trying to do good can actually make a real world impact. it's cool. >> we may have started with that jeep chai cherokee. we are talking about other things. the internet of things. what was athat other thing. >> the internet of targets.
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>> the internet of targets. traffic light systems to water delivery systems, a baby monitor you've put next to the crib, your refrigerator if it can be linked to the internet it may be vulnerable to hacking. >> andrew is a security analysis, where iosec is their director of security. his whole job is to preexively e preemptively hack almost anything. >> trying to find the same bugs and use them to further national security. and there are people like us trying to fix them. >> how do you know how to stay ahead of these people? >> it is difficult at times. but really it just comes down to having better hackers, having more time to work on things. and hoping you find the bug before someone hurts someone with it.
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>> it will take years and cost millions to just develop more systems to help cars. allen schauffler joins us. you have the very model of jeep, twice. this is not just an issue of jeep or chrysler. most of the new car makers have the same vulnerability. >> not just one make or model, not just the 2014 jeep cherokee. general motors issued a software update, apparently a hacker revealed vulnerabilities, so somebody could have turned a person's ignition on and off, track where it was doing, track where it was going, and so forth. people driving on the highways are not likely to have their cars go crazy on them as it did in the story. things will definitely get worse as technology improves ali.
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>> we're all about autonomous cars, driverless cars. we don't readily think about the other side of that thing, that someone else can be driving that car while we're at the control of it. i'm a big proponent of the internet of things, but this is a vulnerability that goes way beyond cars into our infrastructure, there are some people who say that's really the challenge of the time that we live in now. >> well, and you call it a bridge. we just have to remember that it's a two-way bridge and people are definitely out there thinking about how to get across that bridge the wrong way. the hackers never sleep it seems. we just have to find those security holes and fill them somehow before the hackers get to them and it would be nice if the people designing these products found those vulnerabilities and fixed them first and also let people know who are buying them that those systems exist.
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>> "inside story" takes you beyond the headlines, beyond the quick cuts, beyond the sound bites. we're giving you a deeper dive into the stories that are making our world what it is. >> ray suarez hosts "inside story". only on al jazeera america. >> right now in las vegas, computer experts and hackers are meeting at the black hat convention. for the most part these are the good hackers that want to expose the threats that bad hackers pose.
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car hacking may not be a huge deal now but as technology evolves very quickly in this industry experts say it will be. senator john markey of massachusetts has proposed legislation for car safety. but our next guest says mandating security would not work. john ellis was a former global technologist at the ford motor company. john good to have you on the show. thank you for being with us. let me ask you this. if the answer isn't enacting laws to have the auto industry take this seriously, why don't the biggest ten auto makers encrypt and use the seam system we use in online banking? >> first off, thank you very much for having me. a number of different reasons, the biggest reason is the automotive economy is a big
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economy, not just auto makers but second and third parts, they are conscious of the impact you have on the broader community. your ability to take your car and get it repaired by anybody at any time could be impacted. they are cautious with how they fix it, the alliance came out with the statement that regulation is not what they need. >> i get it i know these ma and pa repair shops need to get up to speed, we faced it with abs and air bags, guys like me would say, good, if it costs me more to get my car repaired, rather than being like that wired reporter driving my car down the road and having someone take it over. >> you're absolutely right. trying to figure out how to have that conversation. the auto industry has traditionally been very competitive. other than regulation the auto
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industry doesn't necessarily collaborate in that way. i think this is going to be a unique challenge. the form he former nhtsa director, talked about that, the need for computer response team, group of professionals like chris and charlie that you reference earlier that get together and have open dialogues how to achieve that how to repair it. again you made a comment about maybe 20 or 30 years in the past in terms of where the industry is at today for the auto industry, they're learning and this would be one of the natural evolutional points of learning. >> the car industry which started in the double digits, the early double digits of the last century is a car industry that's a technological industry. you say more car companies needs to be like
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elon musk's company, tesla. he can do upstairs to his cars like we do to our computers or our cell phones. how do we find the middle ground between these two? >> the term i've been using and write about and speak about publicly is the auto industry is a ship and forget. a historical widget type industry, a ship and foresight. forget. what tesla does is they build it to be shipped and remembered. from the ground up they ship the product to be remembered over time, the constantly evolution of software platforms on the vehicle. is there a middle ground? i don't know if there's a middle ground. if anything it's a journey. whether they hit the middle ground, the oems are considering, 1 10 in some cases,
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shipping and remembering. it's not an easy transition. >> i hear you at this, you were a senior at ford. why not have senator markey push the buttons and regulate this, even the idea 3 there should be a rating how susceptible your car is, that changes on a weekly basis right depending who the hackers are. but at some point isn't the threat of regulation going to move these people faster than they're moving on their own? >> you know what, possibly it would be. i'm reluctant to comment on the legislation. but that all said, the pressure you are right, pressure needs to be applied and continually present. but i think more importantly there's education that needs to happen, right? software, people think software is something they build and ship and forget about it. software is only as good as the
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mind is today. as we learn more, our software needs to think differently. their thinking evolves like tesla, that's what the industry and regulators need to get to. in the past when you shipped the physical device it didn't change. software only represents a mental model in a point in time. unfortunately, our think changes. the mental model deteriorates. >> i'm frustrated that on my old car, i have to take it in to get an update. doesn't happen on my phone or computer. if you let it happen over the air waves, i'm muddled more, john you've scared me more. john ellis is a former global technologist for ford. president obama makes his case for the iran nuclear deal, just as japan remembers the last time a nuclear bomb was used in war.
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>> president obama today pressed his campaign to sell the iran nuclear deal and he started by calling the upcoming vote in congress the most important foreign policy decision since the decision to go to war in iraq. at a speech at american university, the president basically told the american voters they are voting for war or peace and if they vote to restrict iran's nuclear program they will destroy america's credibility. >> if they destroy this deal, for the situation we have built, we will lose something more precious, america's credibility
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as a leader of diplomacy, america's credibility as the system. >> the deal is going to be a tough sell for the president. even democrats are expressing doubts about it. steve israel of new york already says he will vote no. it may not be a coincidence that the speech took place 70 years after the u.s. dropped atomic bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki. the bombings are credited with ending world war ii but they left two cities in ruins and generations suffering in the aftermath. al jazeera april roxana saberi is in hiroshima and has the story of two survivors. >> it was a great into day with a blue sky, hot and humid like today. was a night days. >> reporter: she was 13 when the enola gay dropped an atomic bomb on her home town of hiroshima, japan.
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she saw a bluish white flash and the walls around her came crashing down. >> then i had the sensation of floating in the air, obviously the blast just was collapsing the building. >> reporter: a mile and a half away kenji was at school. he was playing the organ before class when he saw the same flash. >> translator: it was followed buy bang bang. then came a huge blast. i hid behind the organ but all the students by the windows were instantly burned to a crisp. >> i realized i was pinned under the collapsed building. >> translator: after a while i regained consciousness. it was pitch dark and i could hear other students screaming. >> mother help me, help me. >> i managed to dig my way out. >> by the time i came out it was
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burning. that meant most of the girls who were in the same room were burnt to death alive. of course i didn't know it was a nuclear weapon at that time. >> reporter: three days later, on august 9, 1945, the u.s. dropped another nuclear bomb on nagasaki. within a week japan surrendered and world war ii was over. seven decades on, hiroshima has been rebuilt. so has kitagawa school but in the backyard sits a reminder of its dark past. i asked him to explain what it means to him? >> it honors the hundreds of students and teachers killed there after the bombing there were hundreds of corpses and bones here, it's important for me to come and pray for them. >> reporter: does the u.s. owe you and people like you an apologize?
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>> that's a normal expectation when somebody does wrong against you. we've waited 70 years. it handy happened. >> what about the argument that using nuclear weapons on japan helped end the war sooner and maybe saved hundreds of thousands of lives? >> that was an american myth. it was obvious to many people it was going to end soon because japan was already incapable of fighting. >> reporter: historians debate those points to this day but she has spent her life determined that nuclear weapons should never be used again. demanding that countries do more to eliminate nuclear weapons. >> we have been telling the world what we experienced how horrible it is and so forth and nothing is happening. >> reporter: now as japan marks 70 years since the bombs fell -- the number of people who can describe their memories of
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that devastation is dwindling. >> translator: i do sometimes feel powerless that the world doesn't really care what happened here. but as long as i have time on this earth i will keep spreading the world about the dangers of nuclear weapons. >> the bombs could be university again. if they forget our experiences and the meaning of hiroshima and nagasaki. >> roxana saberi, al jazeera, hiroshima, japan. >> trafficked labor on the front lines? >> they're things, they're commodities... >> we go undercover... >> it isn't easy to talk at this base >> what's happing on u.s. bases? >> the tax payer directly pays the human trafficker >> fault lines, al jazeera america's hard hitting... >> today they will be arrested... >> ground breaking... they're firing canisters of gas at us... emmy award winning investigative series... fault lines america's war workers
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