>> live in madison square garden, pope francis is celebrating mass right now for about 20,000 worshipers. it has been, as you know, a busy day for this pontiff. he addressed the united nations, and ground zero. i'm tony harris. we're going to begin with a major news out of washington d.c., the resignation of john boehner, and the white house dinner for xi jinping. here's the white house -- we don't have that, but okay, but

state dinner comes amid heightened tensions between the united states and china. and mike viqueira is live for us in washington, and he has the very latest. mike. >> reporter: tony, you're absolutely right about heightened tensions, and this was a formal event, not only a state visit. but a state dinner to go along with f all of the trappings for diplomacy, and all of thejestion tours for the united states' largest allies. the second largest economy, but these two countries have tensions, and much of it boiled to the surface today. president xi jinping went to the oval office with the president, and then they emerged in the rose garden. one of the top issues, cyber crime. and the office of personnel management, an agency of the federal government hacked. and many people suspect that china is behind it, though the administration is loathe to say it publicly, and they still haven't said it publicly.

that was the topic on the table. and the two help, president obama and president xi reached a gentleman's agreement. and they said that they agree to not knowingly allow cyber spying on each other from each other's countries, whether it be a corporate entity or each other's government, but however, president obama was sceptical, his line was seeing is believing. >> what i say to president xi and to the american people is, the question now is are words followed by actions? and we will be watching carefully to make an assessment as to whether progress has been made in this area. >> reporter: the other area of contention, tony. the south china sea and the sprattly island. no fewer than six countries claim ownership of those islands, and china said that they belong to them.

and they are building a fighter air base around the relieves around some of the islands. it is a major point of of contention, and the islands threaten be aviation and shipping lanes, and many believe that china is making a very bold power play there. and the united states has raised its objection, but in the rose garden, president xi was defiant. >> islands in the china sea since ancient times, china's territory. we have the right to uphold our maritime rights and interest. and we are committed to maintaining peace and stability in the south china sea, and managing denses and disputes through dialogue. >> tony, last night, a throw-hour dinner between the two men and their aids, and the differences remain. despite all of niceties, as they prepare for a fancy and ornate state dinner in the

white house this evening. >> it is a fancy affair. mike viqueira, thank you. and let's do this. another live picture now from inside of madison square garden here in new york city, where pope francis is celebrating mass. about 20,000 worshipers are there. and earlier in the day, the pope spoke at the united nations, and then he went to the september 11th memorial, ground zero. and we're keeping a close eye on madison square garden and the service there. and we'll take you back there. throughout this hour, a political bombshell from house speaker, john boehner today. he announced that he's quitting in october. and libby casey, what prompted the speaker to step down? >> reporter: tony, during speaker boehner's five years in the republican caucus and the speaker of the house, he had to deal with a fractured set of republicans, a lot of fracture from the conservatives, and we're facing another huge one,

a possible government shutdown next week if the republicans couldn't make a decision on how they wanted to proceed in terms of funding the republicans, and go to the matt to stop that funding, and shut down the government because of funding over planned parenthood. and he's also getting some challenges from those very conservatives, and as speaker boehner said today, he thought that he could fight off those challenges, but it wasn't worth dragging everyone through that battle. >> when you're the speaker of the house, your number one responsibility is to the institution. and having a vote like this in the institution, i don't think is very healthy. and so i've done everything i can over my term as speakerring to strengthen the institution, and frankly, my move today is another step in that effort to strengthen the institution. >> the timing is definitelying is. iingdefinitelysignificant.

it comes on the heels of speaker boehner pushed for a real capstone in his career, but the decision sounds like it was very spontaneous, tony. he said that he went to bed mulling it over and woke up and said prayers, and had breakfast and said today is the day, i'm going to equity. >> said some prayers, and mulled it over after seeing and visiting with the pope. so libby, what does this mean? you mentioned there's a government shutdown looming here. >> it's quite likely that that has now been headed off. nothing is over until it's over here in washington, but speaker boehner will no longer be beholden to the right flank, the conservatives, so he'll be able to work with democrats to get the government funding through a short-term spending bill. it's what senate republicans plan to do this week, and the house is likely to follow.

but it's a classic case of kicking this down the road. and a lot of politicians are recognizing that this sets them up for bigger battles to come. some of the biggest praise from speaker boehner came from people he has tussled with over the years, including president obama. listen to what he has to say. >> john boehner is a good man. he is a patriot, and he carries deeply about the house, an institution in which he has served for a long time. he cares about his constituents, and he cares about america. >> reporter: even those two men have really come to standoffs over politics. the republicans weren't all united in praising speaker boehner, including some presidential candidates, tony. republican senator, ted cruz, was pretty harsh, saying that he thinks that the speaker has been working across party lines with democrats working to congress' detriment. >> if it is correct that the

speaker, before he resigns has cut a dl with nancy pelosi, to fund the obama administration for the rest of its tenure, to fund obamacare and executive amnesty and planned parenthood, and the implementation of this iran deal, and land a job, after joining with the democrats to implement all of president obama's priorities, that is not the behavior one would expect of a republican speaker of the house. >> being the place where lobbyist worked, tony, so you see that speaker boehner stepping down has done nothing to heal the divide. >> i'm sure that we didn't expect that it would do this. but libby casey, capitol hill, and it's always good to hear from you. the resignation of speaker boehner brings new opportunities and problems for republicans. and michael shore joins us from los angeles with that part of

the story, and let's start here, who is on deck? >> well, that's a good question. the hitter in the lineup, they can pull him back in the dugout, and however can we go with this? there are other names coming up. the majority whip, steve scalise is one of the names, and certainly for the leader's job, and not for the speaker's job. one of the things people keep talking about. how paul ryan, the former presidential candidate, from wisconsin, he said that he doesn't want the speaker's job, but if enough republicans want him, and if there's enough lobbying for him, i spoke to them today, and there was a handful of them, and they said that ryan would be probably listen. and if he wants the job. >> how this might impact the

race for president in 2016? >> it's interesting, what it will do in terms of impact is it may pave the way for legislation that boehner's deal making tendencies would have made impossible. and it depends on who the speaker is. if that's the case, then republicans and democrats will have legislation to run on or against, depending on which party it is in 2016. and it probably is a boon to people like ted cruz, who are looking for a little lift anyway. he's a at a voter's summit, and he talked about this being a victory. i don't know if it's a victory or not. boehner resigned. and he was not forced out and there was coup as we have seen before. but he had a tough time. >> michael, thank you, and let's get you back to madison square garden, here in new york city, where pope francis is

celebrating mass communion taking place right now. 20,000 people are inside to worship with this pope. you know, there is also a large crowd outside. and i want to go to bisi onile-ere, and among the people who are there, close to you, and close to madison square garden, what is the reaction? >> reporter: well, i can tell you that the crowd has thinned out a bit, tony, but not so much. people are waiting for the crowd to pick up outside of madison square garden. and people are here from all walks of life. the pope attracts all sorts of people, even non-believers, and i had the opportunity to talk to a lot of people, some of them have been out here for more than five hours, and they tell me that it's not every day that you get to see a pope. so it's very well worth the wait.

again, thousands of people waiting for the pope to come out of madison square garden after this mass is over, tony. >> all right, bisi, thank you. and i want to get to patrick hornback, the chair of three ol at the university of new york, and the homily from this pope. >> it was a remarkably short homily. 8 minutes top, gone is in the cities, and the church is in the cities. pope francis talking about the ways in which city life can be such a blessing, but at the same time, cities can leave people on the side. foreigners, people without insurance, and disabled people, treated like they don't have the right to be here. a sermon or a homily about justice or inclusion from a pope who has been so much about that all day today. a colleague of mine is inside of madison square garden right now, and i asked her what the feeling like, and she said its

calmly joyous. it seems to be a wonderful way of capturing the feeling of the evening mass, the last public event that pope francis has in new york. >> we should see the face of christ in the face of the homeless, essentially the dispossessed, right? is that more of his jesuit education in the church coming through? >> absolutely. latin american theology in the last 50 years has developed this phrase. the preferential option for the poor. not meaning that the wealthy and the middle class are not worthy of protection, but it should give to the poor and the dispossessed. we saw a wonderful example of that this afternoon. the pope went to a school in harlem, and 70% of the children receive free lunch programs, and children of immigrants. and the pope was there for an

hour, and he spoke spanish, and it was a validating experience for their parents and the people that they represent, to see the pope coming there, and literally speaking their own language and hugging them, and at the end, asking them to pray for him hat the end of the visit. >> the other thing that struck me, he speaks what, four or five different languages, and his english is getting better. you told me about a story when he spoke in korea four or five years ago, and it wasn't very good, and his english improved over the course of the visit. but it's so clear how comfortable he is in his native tongue, in spanish, right? and in that, he's able to go off script. >> absolutely. >> and we had wonderful moments of him going off script today. >> really really beautiful. my favorite, he was met to be in a golf cart to circle the arena, and he wasn't supposed

to stop and people weren't supposed to reach out and touch him. but he stopped and we didn't see what it was, but three disabled young people. two children probably under the age of six, and then a teenager, he stopped and held them and blessed them. and you could see the joy on the faces of their parents, just another beautiful example of a preferential option of a world that's somehow less tan. >> and he said paraphrasing, we're sort of done here with the official business, and how about someone sing a song to me. i just want to hear someone sing a song, and there were two different socks. that was a great moment. >> he's a spontaneous man, and because he's in a country that he hasn't been to before, he hasn't thrown away his texts like he has in other countries, but it's clear that he put a tremendous amount of thought into what he said to the people in the u.s., and then totally

ordinary folk, and folk struggling to get by. >> all right, patrick, you'll be back with us later in the program. and we want to get to other business. so earlier today, the pope took part in an interfaith ceremony at ground zero, and how mosque was that? about 1,000 family members of 9-1-1 victims were there to hear his message, and before he spoke, the pot i have met privately with some of the relatives of the fallen first responders. >> the family members show us the face of pain, leave us speechless as it springs to heaven. but at the same time, they were able to show the other face of this attempt. the other side of the pain. the power of love and remembrance. >> the pope also said the 9/11

memorial provided a sense of the heroic goodiness in all people. the pope's first stop this morning was at the united nations. he addressed what the officials called the largest collection of world leaders in human history. john terrett joins us live from the u.n., and john, what did the pope have to say? good to see you >> reporter: good to see you as well, my friend. and this was a different kind of speech than the one that we saw yesterday in the house when the pope was in washington d.c. it was a much more solemn occasion, and the pope spoke in spanish, so that slowed things down a little bit. he had two real themes on inequality and social justice. he called for everyone in the world to have a home, food on the table and boys and girls often get left behind. and religious and spiritual freedom. and the other thing that came out of the speech is climate change. he is passionate about it, and he thinks it's a problem and

mankind can do something about it. and today at the general assembly, he talked about humanity's right. [ speaking spanish ] >> in effect, the selfish and boundless thirst for power and prosperity leads to the misuse of available natural resources and to the exclusion of the weak. >> and an example of how passionate the pope is about climate change, he mentioned the word, environment or environmental at least 16 times, tony. >> and the pope mentioned, did he not, the recent arms deal with iran, correct? >> this is what he's passionate about. the absolution of all nuclear weapons, and he recently spoke with the 5 and the security council and germany, and he talked about that deal in no

uncertain terms today. >> the repeat agreement reached on the nuclear question in a sensitive region of asia and the middle east is proof of the potential of political goodwill and of law, exercised with sincerity, patience and couldn'conssee --. >> the ending of all global wars, and that's another topic that he talked about today. >> and last one, i like the way we say this, unhq. i like that. >> he met with ban ki-moon, the secretary general, and his wife as well. and they gave the hope flowers, and they went up. and then the pope came to the

ground floor and they do what they always do. normally the ground floor is rock stores like george clooney and bono, but today it was pope francis. and he said thank you for your work and i really appreciate it, and he went on a tour of the building, and i hope that we have pictures of this, because he went on a tour of the building in the u.n.'s equivalent of a pope mobile. it's a golf cart. >> oh, nice, nice, there's the picture now, we're seeing it now. there it is. it's pretty cool. >> john, appreciate it. john terrett for us at the united nations, unhq appointment. >> still ahead on the program, patrick and i were talking about this a moment ago, some school kids, it's a day that they will never, ever forget. the message they heard from the class and the pope. and these are live pictures outside of madison square garden, the catholic faithful receiving communion.

>> let's take you back inside of madison square garden right now, where pope francis is celebrating mass with about 20,000 of the faithful. it has been a busy day for this pontiff. he spoke at the united nations, the 9/11 ground zero memorial center. and then took a walk through

central park for tens of thousands waited for hours to get a glimpse of him. what the catholics are calling the most important event while in the united states. he visited a catholic school in east harlem, and roxanna. let's do this. we're going to roll pictures of the pope inside of that school there, but i want to know from you what it was like in the minutes before the pope arrived. you couldn't get so close to the actual school, but talk to me about the anticipation of this pope's arrival. >> right, tony, and we are in front of the school now, because of the barricades that have been taken down, but there was a lot of security today. there was a lot of high energy and excitement. and when the pope arrived outside of our lady of queen angel school, a line of children greeted him. and they yelled, holy father, we love you, and they took

selfies, what everyone was trying to do when the pope came by. inside, he met 24 students from four catholic schools. it serves mostly black and latino students, and after that, he went onto the gym where he met immigrants, and he encouraged them to dream big. >> today we want to keep dreaming to celebrate all of opportunities which enable you and us adults not to lose the hope of a better world with greater possibilities. so many here that have greeted and that i have been introduced to, they also dream with you. >> the people here who have been here since this morning, hoping to catch a glimpse of the pope, and they did, though it was only a few seconds, but they were happy to see him. and some camped out since last night. we met people from california and wisconsin and also from

this local community. and many of them told us that they feel the pope represents people like them. >> it's very important for me, he's blessing everybody. all the world has a lot of problems now maybe after all of this speech, maybe it's going to change. >> being in the area, of such a holy man. >> and an interesting point of the school, tone, the parish, and it used to be the school sponsoring parish, and it was shut down in 2007. but in the past year alone, it has it has had to shut down 27 parishes in new york, and the pope's visit has shed a light on some of the challenges that the catholic church is facing. >> well, that aside, there was probably additional significance. and is it right to say that for that location, that

neighborhood, what's the significance? >> there has been a lot of significance here today, tony, we're in east harlem, and like the school's students, a lot of them are minority. 75% of the residence in the area are either black or latino, many of them are low income, and there are a lot of housing projects around us, so this visit was really in line of the pope's focus on immigrants and poverty. and a lot of the people here told us that they feel his visit makes them feel like he really cares about them. >> all right, roxanna, be careful, someone is backing up in your vicinity. straight ahead on the program, it's back to washington d.c. do we have a live picture? here we go, and the state dinner for the chinese president. videotape from earlier today. it's all pomp and ceremony right now, but they tackled big

issues later in the day. and we continue to follow the pope at madison square garden. we'll be right back after this.

>> as quickly as we can, let's

get you to madison square garden, and cardinal dolan. >> st. john no, ma'amen, st. marianne culp. st. francis, st. patrick and our relatives. [ applause ] it is so dazzlingally evident this evening that the church is our family, and you, our holy father, thanks for visiting us, your family. [ applause ] >> well, patrick, going back, how good is this moment? we have asked that that be recorded because we were in a bit of a commercial break. and cardinal dolan, who is really getting this crowd going. >> what a stunning moment.

>> and a gift? >> a gift. >> yes. >> it looks like a lovely chalition to me. >> it may have been the chalice that the pope used to celebrate mass. this is a remarkable end to a beautiful and incredible day for pope francis, his last full day in new york, and tomorrow at 9:30, he goes to philadelphia where he'll be tomorrow, and sunday, before heading back, but you can just hear the crowd, tony, as the crowd is wrapping up mass, and he's about to give his blessing to the crowd that's there. he started the day at the u.n., and moved through harlem and back to central park, and he's now here. >> so let me ask you, how did new york treat this pope? and how did the pope deliver for the city? >> exceptionally well on both

counts, tony. he distinguished himself from his predecessors, and i think that the pope exceeded the expectations. we heard the roars of the crowd there, and he was interrupted at least three times during his homily at madison square garden, where he had a very simple message. god is in the cities, and the church is in the cities, and he punctuated that with a visit to the school in hardl harlem. >> he spoke spanish to third graders and hugged them and went around madison square garden and encountered disabled youth. and i think that the message that we all can take away from today is this is not just about the powerful people that he addressed in the morning from the united nations, but he's actually more comfortable in dealing with ordinary people. >> oh, my gosh, isn't that the truth? look, the processional happening right now, at every

turn, he seems so much more comfortable when he was in a position to talk about this business, and sometimes really good at it. >> and it seemed to me at every turn, he was sending a grand message. >> here's the thing about it, you don't hear pope francis and feel like you're being criticized. even a few days ago, he spoke to the bishops of the united states, and he had a message to them, don't be harsh, don't be divisive, and in some ways, it was a critique of the way that many have carried themselves over the past years, but people walked away from the address feeling loved and supported. he said very famously, i'm not here to judge you. and there's something about non-judgmental love that the christian faith and other

traditions around the world hold as a transformative thing. when people can love each other in a non- judgmental way, the trick is going to be when the pope leaves new york, will the catholic church be able to continue to ride this wave of non-judgmental love? >> and how quickly people go back to their trikes. their tribal ways of thinking. okay, that was great. and the pope, he's gone now. >> wasn't that so nice? >> wasn't that wonderful? kumbaya, and all of this about the homeless and the capitalism. and can we get back to work now? >> and next week, congress has a major decision to make because of the government shutdown. >> and the question becomes how long did the good feelings last? what's your thought on that. >> it's a tricky question. francis, the exciting thing about catholicism, that's only going to last so far as someone

walks into a catholic church, and they find there or don't find pope francis. so the question is whether ordinary parishes or bishops in their own towns, and whether the religious community, catholic and non-catholic, are able to celebrate the sorts of virtues that made pope francis into a rock star. it's not about him. he's pointing to something greater than himself. and in this area outside of celebrities, that's attracting people to it. >> this seems to me to be an opportunity to do serious recruiting. i've heard others say it, and this is not an original thought for me, far front it. would this pope, this spanish speaking pope from [ arguinfromargentina, there's this opportunity to reach out and recruit more spanish priests, or priests of

any sort. >> we had numbers before that showed that the number of priests in the new york arch diocese has gone down 40% from 1982 to today. and many of those are older men who have served with distinction, and the numbers going into priesthood are down. and it's a problem for catholics. it requires priests to be male and celibate. and these are difficult things for people to commit to in the world that we live in. >> i want to bring jennifer london in. and jennifer is on the next stop for the pope. and that's philadelphia. talk to me about the preparations made. and you've seen the scenes in washington. what we just witnessed here in new york city, and what's to come there in philadelphia? >> reporter: well, tony, as i like to say, the city of brotherly love is eagerly

awaiting the visit from the holy father. he's scheduled to touchdown tomorrow at 9:30, and i've been in philadelphia for two days, and the preparations are in full swing. they have locked down a number of streets, and security is incredibly tight. everything from philadelphia pd. and the fbi, and the bomb sniffing dogs, and it's very difficult to get around the city because of all of the security perimeters, and the pope is scheduled to have a private mass here, the basilica, and then he will travel to independence hall where we expect him to talk about religious freedom, and then we expect him to speak again about immigration, and a lot of the people that i spoke to here in philadelphia are very eager to speak more about immigration, because what we have seen at his stops in philadelphia and new york, it's a recurring theme of the pope's.

and his visit in philadelphia is timed to coincide with the world meeting of families. and it's the largest gathering in the world, and it's also called the festival of families. it only occurs every three years, and it's the first time that it has happened in the u.s. when you hear the pope be speak about immigration, he often talks about families, the importance of keeping families together. and when you cover the immigration debate. and you cover the families that have been separated by borders, and families torn apart and you hear the pope speak about this, it resonates with a lot of people, who are doing just that, trying to keep their families together. i just spoke with a nun who traveled all the way from chicago. and she said that she has been so inspired by what the pope has said so far, and particularly when it comes to immigration. because she said immigration is not about politics. it's about people. >> i think it reminds all of

us that we are all sons and daughters, or grandsons and granddaughters of immigrants, and that we all suffered some persecution along the way, and maybe we should learn not to repeat the mistakes of the past. >> new. and others that i have spoken to say that they are hoping and really praying that this pope can do what wash so far has not been able to do, and that is push forward meaningful immigration reforms. >> jennifer, that's good, and before i let you go, boy, we have set you up in what looks to be a really nice location. describe where you are, and what's behind and around you, because frankly, it looks lovely. >> well, right hind me is the cathedral basilica, and this is where pope francis will arrive tomorrow morning at 10:30, depending on the schedule. and he will have a private mass there, and the roadway bank account me is ben franklin

parkway, a famous city in philadelphia. and this is where we expect some part of the motorcade to go. they have been blocking off the streets, and as i look below me, i see the jumbotrons, and the crowd can't get close to the staple, which is the very very end of the parkway, and they will be able to see the pope at the very end of the parkway, the art museum is the final stage for the culmination of the festival of families, and the culmination of the pope's visit, not just here to philadelphia, but the historic visit of the pope. and areth aretha franklin and aa bocelli will perform. and the city is preparing for 1 and a half million people to be? >> wait a minute, i have a credential, and aretha franklin and andrea bocelli on sunday. >> it's not too late!

>> jennifer london for us in philadelphia. and let's take a look now, and the state dining room, do we have a shot -- here we go, the white house, president obama is hosting, as you know, a dinner for his chinese counterpart, xi jinping, and earlier today -- let's roll some of these pictures, and the two leaders agreed not to engage in cyber theft of business secrets. and here are the arrivals for the state dinner, and also in this visit, china unveiled a carbon cap and trade program. and that was big news last night. and that program is aimed at reducing emissions as you know. mike viqueira is in washington d.c., and if you would, set the scene. >> i'm just checking my notes from the white house press pool. and for you who are interested, michelle obama is wearing a vera wang gown tonight.

but as far as the substance, last night, it was a formal dinner across frat whit white fe house, and she and president obama, and the ambassador, and john kerry, secretary of state, and three hours, another hour or so in the oval office today. there was an elaborate ceremony, and rituals involved. but there were disagreements. climate change is one area of common ground. and there are security issues in the east china sea between china is japan with the united states officially on the side of japan. and as the chinese continue their buildup, they're building airstrips on top of reefs on the china sea, and the area is claimed by six nags. a lot of attention and a lot of open disagreement in the press conference today in the oval

office, but we have the second story of the living quarters of the obamas, and the two couples posing for their family portraits. >> that's lovely. >> i would have to agree. >> yes, president obama in a tuxedo, which is something that you only see on these occasions, and then over to the state dining room, where shortly, we expect to have another format, a nicety, and a formal event, a toast between the two leaders where they will praise each other, each other's nations, and so a lot of formality. and tony, perhaps some of it cloaking some tension beneath the service. >> i know you're keeping an eye on that, and give me a heads-up if you want to upon in. jennifer harris is with us, she's a senior fellow on the council of foreign relations,

and she served as a member of the planning staff at the state department. and as a staffer at the national intelligence council. a lot of hats there, jennifer, and good to have you on the program. let me start here, the former national security director, keith alexander, called cyber theft to intellectual property to benefit china, the greatest transfer of wealth in history. and if he's right about that, how significant is the announcement of this cyber crime truce between the u.s. and china? >> as to the quote, it is certainly big enough to warrant action and more than words from the u.s., so it's good to see the administration finally toughen thing its stance, and moving monday the heated rhetoric. and as for the announcement

today any agreement is better than no agreement. and you heard that. but i would add two questions to that. one is urgency, and how much progress is enough progress? and do we have clear benchmarks? even within the executive branch here in washington to figure that question out. and the second is measure ability. and this gets more vexing, because of the secret nature of these activities. 5 million americans have unwittingly turned over their fingerprints to the chinese government. and i'm not going to hold my breath. i'm going to wait to see progress. and i'm pleased that the administration has stepped up and publicly sanctioned.

>> there was that warning between president obama, that if this anonymous -- my word -- if this anonymou nonsense doesn, there could be sanctions here, and how tough is the sanctions card here. >> well, it's certainly qualitative stuff here, in so far as they're willing to move beyond the talking points that we have seen for some years now, that's a point, but they did it at a time when the chinese economy was faltering, so the timing and the willingness of the administration to go ahead and flex that muscle, even given a lot of the jitters in the chinese economy, i think together was a large part of the progress that we have seen here. >> one more for you -- well, maybe more than one -- what's your reaction to mr. xi

introducing the cap and trade, greenhouse gas production? when the news broke last night, it was on the new york times website, it sounded like a big deal. >> it certainly is, between these two announcements, it's a far bigger story, and it's a happy one. we have seen for the last years, these two countries struggling to find a ballast for this relationship, while being frank about the specifics. their willingness on both sides to look for a common ground. and climate has been that. >> so today's announcement was good news, and it was another point and a pretty promising trend of progress, and i think it's important for the market mechanics on how cap and trade programs need to work. just as with any other market, you need a certain amount of depth, and certainly a market the size of china's will be a

lot of progress. >> we have to change that out and explain that a little better, so it's just -- we can grasp it a little more easily. but yeah, it does feel like a big deal here. one more for you, on the human rights front, the two presidents, face-to-face. and president obama, i thought was pretty strong here -- talked about china's habit of preventing lawyers, journalists, and others from operating freely. and what did you think of that moment? >> it was important, and at least saying that the u.s. is not going to back down from publicly calling china to task for its human rights shortcomings. realizing that there can often be unpleasant consequences for the relationship. one thing that i would stress here is there increasingly are points of convergence between

the u.s. economic limits, and human rights in china. and on facebook, obviously, facebook, important economic interests of the u.s., and that's why you saw in seattle. and the meeting with mark zuckerberg, but it's also a social networking tool, and it's as much for activists and dissidents, and activists for free speech in china. >> jennifer, good to see you, jennifer harris is a senior fellow on the council of fore relations, and she has an extensive cv and i don't have time to tell you all about t thank you. live pictures inside of madison square garden, emptying now, where the pope just wrapped up a mass for the faithful. let's take a break and take to you the top of the hour.

[ chanting ] >> 131 iranians were killed. and iran blamed the saudi

government's poor management for the stampede. omarasalla has the latest. latest as the pilgrimage winds down. >> after the worst strategy in two decades, the pilgrims continue to perform their rituals. the deaths of several hundred hajjies on thursday provided stress and sorrow. more than 160,000 tents set up. close to where pilgrims stormed one of the final rituals of their journeys. in a section like this one. on average, pilgrims stay here for three to four days. >> we were walking in only one direction, and a man in uniform told us to go in another. and the stampede happened. i kept calling for help, and nobody helped me. >> others say that the government has been doing a good job. >> god help the authorities. they have been dealing with big

numbers. it's the pilgrims that cause the problems. people have to have some organization. >> he has ordered a full review of hajj plans, and how seriously this incident is being taken. in 2006, the saudis completed construction of a facility to better handle the large influx of pilgrims. the effort, once the pilgrims are inside, they will go straight to the pillar which represents the -- [ audio difficulties ] they will have to throw stones in occasions like this, and the other two are further down. there are a lot of stewart arranging it. >> nearly 2 million pilgrims are performing the hajj for this season. controlling them and organizing them is a logistical nightmare for the saudi authorities.

two weeks ago, they crushed workers just days before hajj started, and now this. the process of identifying the dead has started. the ministry of health has set up telephone lines for pema broad to check on the well being of their relatives. performing hajj is the journey of a lifetime. and for some that journey has ended here. >> for a look at what's coming up at the top of the hour, adam may is here. >> tony, thank you, coming up tonight at 8:00, with pope francis in america, we're going to look at the very serious controversies facing the catholic church. >> the church's first concern as an institution was to protect the priest. and secondly, to try and blanket the facts with silence. so there would be no scandal to the church. >> it was years of abuse of children by catholic priests. the coverup and those who try

to do something to stop it. and the church assets up for sale. the huge amounts of money being paid out in sexual abuse settlements has caused some dioceses to file for bankruptcy. those stories in just a couple of minutes, tone he. >> about 20 minutes ago, pope francis wrapped up the mass in madison square garden in new york, and 20,000 people were there. patrick is here, and patrick, we promised folks that we would turn that tape around. he really got the crowd fired up. let's listen. >> it is so dazzlingliestestally evident this evening, that this is your family and you are our holy father, and thanks for visiting us, your family. >> what do you think? we're going to get to the big hug in a second. but your final thoughts. >> it has a wonderful day for

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