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show at 11:00 eastern. >> we start with breaking news. >> let's take a closer look. >> for years, the sporting world has struggled to find out which athletes are cheating, using chemicals to get an edge. now one of the long time sporting powers, russia, is staring at a ban from athletic competition. russian athletes are accused of being engaged in long-term systematic dope, and there's evidence that russian authorities knew all about it. from the olympics in rio and an olympic sized scandal.
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it's the "inside story." welcome to "inside story," i'm ray suarez. a young runner named julia should be celebrated for blowing the whistle on what is believed to be long-term doping inside of the russian track and field team. instead, she's being called a traitor and hiding out abroad in wake of threats. the russian authorities have denied the allegations on the blockbuster report on the use of performance enhancing drugs by russian athletes, and at the same time, they have promised to cooperate and do what's necessary to get out from under sanctions and rejoin international competition. it would be one thing if they caught a small, underfunded
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sports team trying to take a shortcut. but this is russia, a perennial world power in competition, and prowess with its nationalling strength and be virtues of its political system. all of that is now at risk. >> reporter: the world anti-doping agency voted to sanction russia for widespread cheating. it's a cheat being that could bar the russians from participating in the 2016 olympics. >> it is clear that they're non-compliant. >> reporter: the rote was unanimous. the governing body had documented long-term and state cheating in a scathing report this month. it comes as no surprise. >> you can't give me back my podium. >> alicia, an american track
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star, seized it as a long awaited validation. she finished 5th in the 2012 olympics, two russians finished first and second. and they recommended that they be banned for life. >> to stand there proud, and i was be able to represent my country in such a manner, you can't give that back to me. and at the end of the day, it's robbery. >> reporter: the bans were prompted in part by secretly recorded doping admissions by the winner, and the bronze. all told, they recommend that five athletes receive lifetime bans, along with five coaches, the head of the sports federation, and the lab director. the lab director is accused of destroying 1400 test samples, taking bribes from coaches for
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high level testing results, and he stripped the lab of has accreditation. the wadda commission wants to ban him for life, because they indicate that the corruption went to the highest levels of the sport. and the world track and field governing body suspended russia indefinitely, possibly through the upcoming summer games. >> it was more extensive than we thought. we had radio and audio records from people in the system. >> they need a complete cleanup. and in terms of 2016, i hope that we'll be standing in a 100% clean women's 800-meter final. >> technically, wada's vote is
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not final, but it's one more hurdle that russia has to overcome if it wants to compete in 2016. >> joining me now, richard pound, the president of the world anti-doping commission, and president of the international olympic committee. what was the smoke that first encouraged people to look for fire if how were suspicions raised that something was wrong in the russian international program? >> some of these things, everybody knew was going on, and we could never get actual hard evidence on. it was a he said, she said information, and then we got information from whistle blowers, that have been program. and this is documented proof, and video proof. and that gave us the basis for
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encouragement. wada probably didn't deal too well with the information personally. but eventually, it was steered toward an investigative reporter. last december, immediately, with that, wada established the independent commission of which i became chair. >> in the report that we just heard at the top of the program, it sounded like this was being aided, abetted, and made possible by the national federation and the very people who are supposed to be making sure these athletes were clean. does that slow down the detection of a problem? could this kind of thing be going on for knows?
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>> in general, this is the continuation of the old soviet system going back into the 60s, 70s and 80s. and it's not just a few renegade coaches here and there. it's built right into the system, and i think that it's not credible for anybody in authority to say he or she didn't know about it. >> would it be a mistake to let russia back into the good graces of world athletics without really being clean as a hound's tooth? would it encourage other national programs to try to skate by the rules if they see a very important country in the world movement get off with a relative slap on the wrist? >> well, it's not a relative slap on the wrist. this is a suspension of a country, the entire athletic base in track and field in russia, and also the doping
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agency has declared in a sense the country non-compliable. so until those shortcomings are solved, they're going to stay out. and what we have said, frankly, we prefer that you dump all of the bad guys, don't bring them to rio. and what's more important for us than punishing previous violators is to get clean athletes in the games in rio. and if they put their minds to t. i think that they can do that. if they delay and don't cooperate, then time is going to run out. >> but the way you're talking, it makes it seem that certainly in your view, there's time to do the necessary housecleaning by the time it's the morning the week, to get on the planes and head to brazil. >> if they put their minds to it, i think that they can do that. there's a lot of work to be
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done to get the laboratory reaccredited, to have the national anti-doping organization compliant and convince the af, and this is not just a self assess many. this will be supervised by international experts to make sure that it will be done properly. >> you were the head of the the olympic committee, and do you believe as someone who has been involved for so long that this sport can be cleaned up? >> i think that there are always people trying to break the rules, and you have to live with that. but you have to be smart in finding them. it's like society in general, and there are always going to be people willing to rob banks. they know which bank, but the detection is getting better, and i'm hopeful that having identified one of the leading
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countries in the world as being non-compliant, that will send a deterrent into the system. saying, look, if it can happen to russia, it could happen to a much smaller country. >> richard pound is the president of the world anti-doping commission, and the limb tick committee. he was wada's first president. why is it so hard to root out doping programs? and have some of the biggest names in the sports have their names tainted and derailed. are others still willing to take the chance? an olympic sized scandal. it's the "inside story." >> at 9:30 - "america tonight" - top investigative reporting, uncovering new perspectives. >> everything that's happening here is illegal. >> then at 10:00 - it's "reports from around
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>> you're watching "inside story", and i'm ray suarez. an olympic sized scandal on the program. we're looking at russian athletes susspelled from the competition because of doping allegations, and how the super powers are struggling to get back o'the field. robert adelman, professor of history and the history of sport at the university of san diego, and professor edle is the director of history in the cold war p.
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douglas, the director of the ale agency. let me start with you, as the tools get better for decks, have the drugs and the techniques to hide the drugs them? >> absolutely, it's always an evolutionary process, and as history will always dictate, the cops always chase the robbers, and in the absence of a report where we're unable to apprehend them before it takes play, we'll always be chasing the wrong to doers. in an effort to create interest in the field, when you go back to the 70s and 80s, the anabolic era, the more masculineas athletic. and there was really very little difference between male and female competitors in certain sports, the giveaways, the ben johnson and some of the
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east german female athletes in the 80s era, it's no longer a dead give away. the complexity and the nuances of the drugs have certainly evolved. >> professor edelman, you heard him say in his view, this was just the latest chapter in the doping story that goes back to agree? >> i do and i don't. i have great respect for mr. pound. and i've read the report and take it very very seriously, and i also support its recommendations. there's something different about this particular level. and that is, while there was certainly cheating in the past, one of the things about it, it was poorly organized to the extent that we don't know anything about it, but the reality, we don't have the confirmation about the soviet period that we do for the east german era, if you try to get into that with the soviets, you
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have no success, so there's a lot of guesswork going on. it's hard to say. but the blackmailing of athletes and coaches, the profiteering that this lab was doing, that's very striking and kind of a emblematic of thing corruption that we associate would be the larger space. >> doug eld , are some sports and areas worse than others? >> yes, and i think that you'll always see that. there's always going to be more drug use in track and field and swimming than there would be in table tennis, which is also an olympic sport. but there is also a history to support and substantiate the prevalence and abuse of enhancing drugs in others, track and field being chief among them.
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as an agent, we represent world record holders, and i was a division one track athlete myself. and i lived through the spectrum, in west germany in the 80s, and having a real boots on the ground dichotomy with east germany versus west germany, when we look at it, as the professor indicated, this is not anything new, and what we have in this instance is not just the scope of the scandal from a horizontal standpoint, meaning the athletes involved, but have a vertical tand point, it went up the food chain, and in some instances, blackmailed athletes to ensure a vacuum of silence. >> professor, quickly before the break, are the russians so anxious to get to rio that they're going to take their medicine, fall on their sword and comply?
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>> the answer to that is initially definitely no. there was a nationalistic resentment that this was a plot from the west. and then when it got up to the highest level of the president of the russian federation, he's part of the olympic movement in his way, and we got a more measured response. we're going to put our house in order. and i think that the things that dick pound talked about are doable. and he has probably given orders for that to happen. blue certainly at the level of the minister of sports, that he didn't know about this, but russia, not terribly symptomatic, and when the concept of doping comes up, it raises models of totalitarianism, which are outdated and even from the
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soviet period to the present period. these are athletes now who can make millions if they're successful. that's russian athletes, and they also have agents, and some of them are not even russian. it's very much an international problem, and the level of agreed that is on rating in this global system, which some of my friends have called it, a global mono culture is such that the rewards are very high, and as my colleague said, it's always going to be there. >> gentlemen, stay with my. sidious, alfie us, fordious. faster, stronger higher, the motto of the olympic games. lifters and throwers, weights and distances have grown, and it training and nutrition are better, and so is the chemistry. cheating with banned substances
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>> justin gat lip in olympic sprinting, and again and again, prominent athletes are caught cheat, and the doping so prevalent, being discovered in so many sports, the fans, the followers, and the customers, at some point are they going to turn away? i'm back with bachmann and eldrige, based here in washington, and doug, can there be a regime so all embracing that you can cut way down on both cheating and the temptation to cheat? >> no, the temptation, that's the core of had human nature. and the prevalence of cheating,
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i believe that you can, but what concerns me as an athlete representative, is that high-profile widespread schemes like this shine an improper and often inaccurate light on so many athletes doing it the right way, and i have to commend former president pound and the work that he has done with lada and wada and here in the united states, on your cellphones and seeing your family, they have done a lot of things to compel the athletes to compete clean, so wada, and any time that we paint with an overly broad stroke, and almost speak on bordering on stereotypes, is there corruption? will there always be an element of it. so too in society. with our technology and surveillance, right? as it relates to what we're
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discuss, i don't think that we're talking about the sport of track and field or the game of football or baseball as you said in the intro. we're talking about the business of sports, and in the context of the olympics, you're talking about 10,500 athletes, competing in 200 sports from 300 countries , billions of dollars, and this is the business of sport. >> and yet professor, at the same time, the cold war is over, many athletes, and a shocking number really, compete for countries that they weren't born in and it didn't grow up in, and they fly almost liberian flags on their backs like a freighter, and at the same time, nations are willing to take that risk of disgrace and banning, and there's an inquest into kenyan long district runners, who were thought to be a world model for how to do it right. it seems that countries are still going to act like
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countries and still have rivalries and the bragging rights. >> you know, the last vestige of the nation states in this global world is the olympics, and world cup soccer, and some of it is trying to be good sport. and other aspects, they have made it, such temptation, are driving this thing in ways that even go beyond the question of nation and national pride. >> so the russians, could they actually be tem to fight so hard that they jeopardize their rio appearance? jeopardize participation in big sporting events, even further down the road? >> i think that it's an ongoing battle as has been said here, and they might be, and they might not be, and as much as anybody else, i would say, but
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i do think that what i heard them talk about the clean threat is what speaks to me so much. in this world where there are so many threats and the few that are actually caught, and the others, it's probably still a minority, there are good things in this world of sport. it's both good and bad. and it's what a very famous star of sport, described as an empty vessel, what we put into it, and what we get out of it is what we put into it, as far as morals and values, and one can only hope. >> it will be interesting to see, doug eldrige, if they restore the titles and the records and make comdition, as they did in cycling when the lance armstrong scandal blew up. and mosque up the podiums as the people ahead of them cheated.
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>> winning is great, right? big bonuses, better endorsement contracts, and shoe deals, it's all very enticing. no wonder some people will take such risks to win. listen to the complaints of clean athletes, and it strains your ability to understand why the dopers do it. the drug-free talk about the immense pressure as the other competitors recover more quickly from injury, and improve their times and win. the people who pay their way into the world of international competition want to win too, and that's what they're paying clean athletes to do. but yet the athletes feel muscled by putting things with bad long-term if consequences into their bodies to win today. and it's much tougher for the regulators when they cheat too.
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instead of being on the same side, the sports federations start running into interference and their greater power become cheating partners with the athletes. but russia is willing to host expensive international competitions, so it's tough to see a scenario where russia is completely locked out of athletics until it comes clean. will an embarrassment, and contrition be enough to stair a sporting power straight? and will athletes who missed medals behind juiced athletes ever get the laurels of fair competition? it stay tuned, i'm ray suarez, and that's the "inside story."
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