>> the honor is mine. that does it for us at this hour. i'm jonathan betz. thanks so much for watching, but john siegenthaler is back right now. now. >> hi there jonathan. we begin with iowa, the first test of 200 2016, three days aw, defying all conventional wisdom. the candidates are fanning around the state. shaking up the rhetoric. david schuster has more. >> with the iowa caucuses only three days away, donald trump who skipped the last debate managed to be absent from the entire state. >> last night i did something a little bit unusual. >> the billionaire was the only candidate not campaigning in iowa, focusing instead on new hampshire. the candidate has not much campaigned in the state but

polls show he's ahead. his decision to kitchen th skipx news debate after a war of words. >> i wasn't treated right, i did something that was very risky, i think it did great, i'm getting more publicity than if it -- you know? >> on the front page texas senator ted cruz, not for the reasons he wanted. according to iowa's biggest newspaper cruz had a bad night. cruz instead tangled with marco rubio. >> throughout this campaign you have been willing to say or do anything, to get votes. you helped design george w. bush's integration policy now you want to trump trump on immigration. >> cruz appeared to even steal a page from his closest rival's play book but with a much different result. >> the last four questions about

been rapid please attack ted, chris please attack ted, marco please attack ted. if you guys ask one more mean question i may have to leave the stage. >> with trump absent from the debate and cruz the main target -- >> i don't think ted can have it both ways. >> some strategists say it might have provided a boost for rubio. >> i think marco rubio in the first hour of the debate had a very good night. >> i think i had a little more time than usual, somebody was missing so they had more time. >> rubio was trying to ride post-debate momentum, taking dead aim at hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton the toart day here in iowa you know what she said about 48 hours ago? someone suggested that barack obama should be appointed to the supreme court, she said what a great idea? can you imagine?

we're in a lot of trouble if she wins. >> as for democrats it's down to the wire between clinton and vermont senator bernie sanders who was feeling upbeat. >> another national poll she beat trump by seven points that's good we beat him by 13 points, that's better. >> as for clinton she's enlisting the help of her husband and daughter this weekend. david schuster, al jazeera. >> our senior political correspondent michael shure is in detroit. let's start with the republicans, are they doing anything different after last night's debate? >> i should say i'm on the microsoft center and this is where the results will come out after the caucus. david schuster talked about in his package just now marco rubio for one what he is doing right now is he is attaching himself to the religious vote, invoking god, the bible and jesus, saying

he's that kind of a candidate. the way he's doing that ask to take away some of the evangelical support from perhaps cruz, perhaps trump, but he thinks if he finishes a strong third here or possibly even second that gives him the establishment momentum to take into new hampshire john. and the other thing that you're seeing today is chris christie hammering ted cruz and pleuk on thmarcorubio on the issue of immigration. how can any of the candidates be trusted? that's what chris christie is doing, he's speaking more to the voters of new hampshire than of avoid john. >> what about the democrats in the final are stretch? >> this is really interesting. the democrats you would think of the debates and th donald trump show that the democrats are second but they are running really hard here. what you saw today is bernie sanders issuing an ad and this

ad is an ad that doesn't mention hillary clinton by name but goes after goldman sachs and hillary clinton implicitly. take a look. >> the wall street banks triggered the financial melt down, goldman sachs just settled with authorities for their part that put 7 million out of works and millions out of their homes. how does wall street get away with it? millions of campaign contribution he and speaking fees. our economy works for wall street because it's rigged by wall street and that's the problem. >> and john, you know to see an ad like that, that doesn't mention hillary clinton by name but forced hillary clinton to say, senator sanders has promised not to be negative but now he's nibbling around the edges of negativity. a poll came out from ppp, public policy polling, and it showed 48 to 40, eight point lead for hillary clinton but martin o'malley with 7%.

those martin o'malley voters are going to have to move elsewhere if he's not viable in order to have a percentage in order to get delegates. when polled, martin o'malley's supporters by a difference of 57 to 27 feel bernie sanders is their choice. john. >> thank you michael. elana plot is in washington tonight. let's talk about donald trump. what did he say about the fox debate and how it went in his absence. >> i think we're going to do really well in iowa. i think we'll be a surprise, leading in the iowa polls and leading pretty good. [applause] >> and cruz is in second place, he got pummeled last night. he got pummeled wow, they didn't even mention he was born in canada. >> he went on to say that cruz's

poll numbers are going to tank. and his will -- donald trump's will increase. what do you think? he's made a lot of predictions and many of them have been right. >> so what was so successful about skipping the debate for donald trump is he effectively got to put a pause on the polling when it comes to his front runner status. ted cruz like he said he's right he did get pummeled last night because marco rubio, jeb bush, chris christie got to train their fire on someone other than donald trump. and cruz going into monday he's facing a risky risky position because donald trump once again got to evade a public forum on questions like partial birth abortion he support, legal gay marriage, support of hillary clinton. because he can narrow those forums he doesn't have to answer caucussers that way.

>> it was a risky move for him not to go to the debate, he says, was it risky and did that risk pay off? >> john i think in an alternate universe that would be an incredibly risky move for a typical candidate. but what donald trump has done effectively is he knows what energizes his supporters, flouting the rules of the establishment. and he did that once more by refusing to go to a fox news debate where he felt he was being treated unfairly. i think there are very few people who supported donald trump on thursday who this morning woke up and decided that they didn't any longer. >> cnn's poll of polls have trump slightly ahead of cruz, cruz at 26%. do you think trump has the meticulous ground game necessary in iowa to actually turn the poll numbers into caucus votes? >> i don't necessarily and i think that's where i think a lot of people could make a mistake by just assuming that iowa's

trump's to lose. i think cruz has done the full grassley. by monday would have gone to all 99 counties in iowa. that matters in those rural areas where caucussers feel that nobody goes out there to give them attention. donald trump was in new hampshire bragging about his decision not to go to the fox news debate last night. iowans at the end of the day take this personally. these are sixth, seventh generation caucus goers. they want, at the end of the day, the candidates knocking on their doors. at the end of the day ted cruz has amassed a meticulous, meticulous ground game and at the end of the day, it is going to be interesting to see whether that lists him over trump in the end because then we get a better sense of who might win in nevada. >> can you help me sort out this media relationship or nonrelationship between donald trump and fox.

bill o'reilly had trump on the air and literally begged him to come on the debate and if we were to believe some of the stories so did roger ails beg him to come on the debate but he didn't. what's his relationship with fox, what's his relationship with the rest of the media, as a result of this? >> so reports show that donald trump refused to take roger ails's calls. he said i will only speak to rupert murdoch about this. trump has once again shown the media is his for the playing. i think it's jeb bush that says he plays the media like a violin. that's right. the media is his realm at the end of the day. and seeing someone like bill o'reilly beg shows that capitalism that trump has. >> let me ask you the numbers show, i forget the number, 20

million plus watched this debate or very large number of people watched the debate on fox. and he predicted that the numbers would plummet. i don't think they plummeted. he was simply wrong about it right? >> they didn't plummet but at the end of the day it's the second lowest viewership for a debate this cycle. we have had incredible viewership for this cycle but for this period of debates it is the second lowest. >> elana, good to talk to you. now to the zika virus. it is spreading. health officials warn of global health crisis and tonight, more cases are being reported in the united states. roxana saberi has the latest. >> it was all over my body like i was on christmas eve i was scratching like my whole system saw my chest and they're like wow. and you could see my lips, bumps

in my lips my eyes my ears. >> lizy morales is feeling healthy now but while visiting family in el salvador in christmas she contracted zika virus from a mosquito bite. >> all you want to do is lay down and sleep. >> since then the centers for disease control and prevention have confirmed at least 30 cases in 11 states and the district of columbia. the health officials say, americans shouldn't panic. >> having said that you don't want to walk away and say not a problem. we're developing better vaccines, better diagnostics, better vector control. as you are anticipating there is going to be an outbreak. >> the virus has spread fast, prompting the cdc to warn pregnant women against traveling

o22 countries in the region. the zika virus causes a mild illness in most people but there is growing evidence linking it to a birth defect called microcephaly, babies born with abnormally small heads and brains. cases are surging in brazil, on friday dilma rousseff announced that her country's has launched efforts to kill the mosquito. >> we are losing the battle because if the mosquito keeps breeding, we are all losing the battle against it so we have to mobilize for this war. >> on friday the international olympic committee assured teams traveling there thateamstravelie safe from the virus. >> we will do everything to

ensure the health of the athletes. >> roxana saberi, al jazeera. >> much more on the zika virus. "techknow" apri's phil torres wl have more. >> back duong was being held for trial on several felonies including attempted murder, he broke out of the jail a week ago with two other violent suspects. today he chose to surrender. >> book duan contacted an individual on the streets of santa ana and stated he wanted to turn himself in. >> accused of helping in the escape. now to oregon where the last few people holed up at a federal wildlife refuge are demanding

pardons for nearly all involved. ten of the people involved in the occupation including occupation leader ammon bundy are in court for a detention hearing. katherine. >> john with ten people that hearing is going to take a while. the headline we've had is that ammon bundy and his brother ryan have both been denied bail, denied relief until the trial. they were argued against that they were a flight risk because they do not have a tie to the state of oregon. in fact if they were released they could return to the malheu risk factor wildlife refuge. prosecutors argued in papers that they expressed their disdain for federal law and ability to follow federal law,

in the last month or so. the judge said had he would consider release of these individuals only if occupation has ended. that occupation has not ended, four people remain, it's going to be a very cold night up there on the refuge. the four people had been negotiating around the clock with fbi negotiators who are trying to get them to surrender peacefully. we have heard reports from oregon public broadcasting that the negotiations were ended, by the occupiers, they are making their own demands. new video that the fbi released showing aerial surveillance video the first hard evidence really, showing the officers' shooting of rancher and occupier la voy sinicum. >> there were no dash cams. statements of officers on the

ground, no one disputes the afternoon ended with the shooting death of robert lavoy finnicum. how it happened is hotly debated. >> there are variation versions out in the public domain, most of them inaccurate, some of them inflammatory. to that end we want to do what we can and as transparent aa manner as we can, to give the public as much information as to what happened that day. >> the planes follow the feds down a forested canyon road pursuing two cars carrying leaders of the occupation on route to a meeting in the neighboring town. a white vehicle leads a dark jeep follows. officers pull over the second vehicle as the white car carries on. it's hard to see through trees but from the dark jeep, ammon bundy and three others get out and are arrested peacefully. when the white vehicle is stopped just one of its passengers gets outs and is

taken into custody. then for nearly four minutes, the white car and remaining occupants just sits. >> throughout this time agents and troopers are providing verbal commands to the occupants to surrender. >> but with lavoy finnicum at the wheel, the car suddenly races off at high speed, nearly hitting an fbi officer. >> finnicum leaves the truck and steps through snow, at least two occasions he reaches the inside portion of his jacket. he had a loaded 9 million meter semi automatic handgun in that pocket. at this time, fbi, shot finnicum. >> desired to show use of force was justified. >> we can what we could to bring that to a conclusion.

>> the fbi is still work to bring this to a peaceful conclusion at the mallheur refuge. >> that is the talk of the town in burns, oregon today. some will hold fast to their belief this was nothing short of murder, but releasing the video, still not enough. >> everybody i've talked to says the video is unclear, a number of things could have taken place. and there's no way to justify whether or not he was actually a threat to those officers. >> now it's important to say that the investigation into that so-called officer-involved shooting is ongoing, conducted in the neighboring county here. and so we may get more evidences as the days and weeks progress. john. >> all right katherine, thank you. coming up next on this show, environmental results of the

worst natural gas leak in history. and forces, more boots on the ground to fight i.s.i.l. we can and as transparent

>> we're learning more about the methane gas leak that has been spewing into the air near los angeles. scientists say it could set back california's effort to significantly reduce emitigations. >> from inside his single engine plane, stephen conley gets a

look. what's undetected by the naked eye, conley's instruments record the natural gas leak near the los angeles suburb of porter ranch are sky high. >> the largest methane source i'm aware of in u.s. history. >> we met conley the at the at t as he was getting ready for his second flight of the day. >> our goal each time is we estimate what the emission rate is, you how much gas is coming out of the leak from our flight. that's the purpose to come up with the number each time. >> what are you seeing during each one of these flights? >> in the beginning the first three flights were somewhere close to 50,000 kilograms per hour. the next one was 3,000 compared to 50,000. >> that's enough methane to fill the empire state building every day.

and enough methane to increase overall emissions in the state by 25%. >> it's a catastrophic number we're dealing with, because we've never dealt with a quantity of methane this large before. also considering the fact that it is 25 times more potent than carbon dioxide in trapping heat. so we all learned that last year, 2015 was the hottest year in the longest time. and now, well, in 2016, it's even going to be a hotter year. >> so kenken are you saying that this gas leak will contribute to the warming of the climate? >> absolutely. >> infrared photography, this is what it looks from the ground. in the computer model the taller the red spikes the higher the methane leak is in that area. twice the normal levels as far as eight miles from the leaking

well. even after the leak is stopped methane stays in the atmosphere for 12 years. putting at risk the state's lofty genome to rice greenhouse gas emissions by 2030. >> so have this single leak increase our overall methane emissions in the state by 25% is not helpful and is moving us in the wrong direction. >> earlier this month when california governor jerry brown gave his state of the state address, he spoke about the climate change. but never mentioned the gas leak. this has led to even more criticism. >> jerry brown, shut it all down. >> like the methane spewing into the air, the governor's leadership dealing with the gas leak has also been invisible. he could have been more aggressive in terms of dealing with it. he could have visited the area

more, sooner rather than later. he could have made sure that the environmental laws are enforced, it's one thing to have environmental regulations on the books. it's another thing to enforce them. >> lawmakers have accused state agencies of negligence to safely regulate the storage of gas. at the same time, the state's air quality management district has filed suit against socal the company that owns the well. the impact of this disaster will extend far beyond usual southern california. >> this is going to become a global problem, like adding a second los angeles into the globe. >> regulators ordered the company to close and seal the well. it's also ordered to inspect 114 other wells.

the only way to ensure another leak doesn't happen again is to shutter the entire site for good. jennifer london, porter ranch, california. the economy grew at a annuallannualrate of less than n december. milder weather in december reduced consumer spending on utilities and winter clothes. for the year the economy grew 2.4%. president obama taking a crack at closing the gender-pay gap. joined by fair pay activist lily leledbetter, the plan would afft u.s. companies with 100 or more employees. coming up next, the effect that flint, michigan's water crisis is having on hundreds of

undocumented residents. plus, ending the war in syria, how both sides are approaching this weekend's peace talks in geneva.

>> michigan governor rick snyder signed a bill today authorizing $28 million to help deal with the flint water crisis. snyder said he didn't realize some state workers in michigan received bottled water, but

those in flint did not. bisi onile-ere reports from flint. >> reporter: just outside of flint, hundreds of city residents turn to a local church for short term relief from the city's water crisis. at our lady of guadalupe catholic church the majority of the congregation are latino, undocumented immigrants ultimately to spoke to us on camera so we spoke to the immigration lawyer, victoria artiega. >> they do a lot of farm work, agricultural work. >> she told us about one woman who came into her office this week. >> she came to see us with a one-year-old who had formula made with that water. so this one-year-old his whole life has been drinking the water. and who knows what that exposure

does? so we do have folks that are still just finding out. >> reporter: when the national guard began distributing bottled water this month some undocumented immigrants said they were turned away. under michigan law anyone without proof legal presence cannot apply for a driver's license or other forms of identification. >> the state has said very clearly, we give water to everyone, no questions asked you come and we take care of you. the folks don't know that and don't feel comfortable. >> reporter: when the national guard deliver water to homes, many say they are afraid to open their doors for fear of deportation. >> a lot of people have learned if someone knocks on the door they're an official you don't open the door. >> reporter: but the doors of our lady of guadalupe are always open. she will continue to reach out over concern that some in the

latino community still remain in the dark. bisi onile-ere, al jazeera, flint michigan. >> appearance comes as we learn about possible deliberate acts by officers that could make prosecution more difficult. diane eastabrook is in chicago to explain. >> reporter: john, it turns out that dash cam video that recorded chicago police officer jason van dyke firing shots into la kwan mcdonald didn't have audio for a reason but the question was was that microphone attached to the dash cam video turned off or did it malfunction? this troaive controversial video resulted in a first degree murder charge against van dyke. noticeably absent from the recording, sound. even though it's supposed to have it. on friday van dyke's attorney vehemently denied his client

tampered with the microphone on his dash cam. >> if this audio was tampered with, then it was tampered with by somebody other than jason van dyke. this car was not van dyke's car, he was not assigned to this car and audio would have been beneficial to us. >> other videos are also silent. neither of the officers involved in those shootings were charged. the chicago police department admits it has a big problem with malfunctioning dash cam equipment. it recently said about 10% ever dash cam cameras had maintenance problems and operator error is also a problem. a log from one quad ca quad squd

mitigatiomiksmics were not propy integrate. >> it's like the chicken hawk watching over the chickens. >> john escalante says he is holding officers responsible for improperly functioning dash cameras, police are required to inspect those dash cameras before their shift to make sure they're functioning, john. >> thank you diane. another deadly attack on a shia mosque, one suicide bomber blew himself up at the entrance, 18 others were injured. a second attacker was wounded and arrested after an exchange

of fire. no one has claimed responsibility, in october i.s.i.l. carried it a similar attack in that country. u.s. and its allies need to send more trainers more advisors and command erst. jamie mcintire has the latest. >> reporter: john, the pentagon is touting its success, saying so far it has trained about 20,000 fighters in iraq including regular army, police and tribal fighters. those security forces played a key role in the retaking of ramadi a few weeks ago, and now the focus is on building the force that will sometime later this year in all likelihood, mount an assault on mosul, i.s.i.l.'s de facto capital in northern iraq. pentagon official says it will take ten brigades of combat

ready troops to drive i.s.i.l. out of mosul. offensive force of between 20 and 30,000 troops. that spokesman colonel steve warren says an analysis is underway now to look at ways to speed up the training process, with trainers not just from the u.s. but other countries as well. >> instead it makes a question of do you make the pipe a little bit bigger so you can put more through pipe faster? that is working now on several levels obviously. at the higher level it's a matter of working with other partner nations to see what else they're able to contribute. >> and so while the u.s. is considering sending more u.s. troops for training and enabling iraqi forces perhaps as many as several hundred on top of the 3700 already in iraq right now, what the pentagon really wants is for other countries to step up and do more. defense secretary ash carter has been berating some of the other members of the u.s. led

coalition for doing almost nothing and he expects other countries to send trainers before the u.s. increases its troop levels. there's another consideration too. the ufsz is in iraq at the invitation of the iraqi government. it can't deploy any more forces without the permission of prime minister haider al-abadi. there is a surge ever effort that could possibly make 2016 the year the war against i.s.i.l. turned the corner. john. >> jamie, thank you. there was a glimmer just a glim are of hope today to end the war in syria. peace talks finally got underway in switzerland and the main group that said it would boycott the talks now plans to attend. diplomatic editor james bays is in geneva. >> the start of the syria talks but day 1 one side was present.

the syrian government delegation headed by the country's ambassador to the united nations, bashar al jane arraf. jafray. mr. de mistera said he was optimistic. >> i have good reason to believe they are actually considering this very seriously. and therefore to be in a position on probably sunday to actually start the discussions with them, in order to be able to proceed with the inter-syrian talks. >> one opposition member already in geneva later confirmed that her colleagues would be here in a matter of hours. >> we just want to let you know

that yes, we are coming we are going to start discussing with the u.n. about our two important fights humanitarian and political detainees. this is what is important for us, we are preparing the fight, the team is coming tomorrow and you will hear the details later. >> the decision has been a difficult one for the high negotiating commission. they say they've been given assurances not just by the u.n. but by the u.s. and russia there will be measures to alleviate the humanitarian situation and some of the concerns they've raised in the coming days. they said they will speak here to the special envoy and take stock of the situation before actually joining any negotiations. james bays, al jazeera at the united nations in geneva. >> new allegations that the u.s. and britain have been hacking into communications since 1998.

that is according to documents attributed to leaks by edward snowden. the u.s. says it's not surprised that the spice on everyone including its friends. near the u.s. nor britain has commented. a pl mechanic of egypt air s now a suspect for the downing of a russian passenger plane in september. there is no evidence that a bomb took down the plane, according to vladimir putin. the mechanic may have ties to i.s.i.l. which has claimed responsibility for that attack. still ahead, preparing for a major outbreak, the steps underway to stop the spread of the mosquito-borne zika virus.

>> a top health official says the zika virus is not likely to spread quickly in the u.s. however dr. anthony fauci at the centers for disease control. "techknow"'s phil torres is an entomologist and he joins us from culver city, california with more, phil. >> hey john as you can imagine this is causing a lot of attention with the general public. but from my colleagues in entomology, the stakes are high, the pressure is on.

they are looking to see if other mosquitos can spread zika virus but the target is on aedes egypti. the female mosquito, easily one of the greatest possesses of alt time. ands this one of the itemmest pests of all, the culprit blamed on spreading dengue, chikungunya, and now the zika virus. >> these are the males, they don't actually bite.the females, oarpd, are ion the other hand, s box and if you give them a blood meal them be feeding. "techknow" has come to the laboratory about an hour from london, england to learn about a

very interestin interesting mosa genetically modified mosquito that's showing promise in the fight against dengue fever. derrick is a project manager, they are a biotech company that first developed modifications that showed promise in controlling the aedes egypti. but to understand what the oxitec mosquito is we're heading to the lab. >> micro-injection i'm guessing that's a very tiny needle. >> that's right. we can use that needle to peers the outside of the egg, the egg will still hatch. >> can i give it a shot?

>> absolutely, please do. >> they make it look easy. it isn't. >> that's it. that's it. and keep pushing, the needle will pierce the egg. there you go. >> just like that i might have potentially genetically modified a mosquito. >> exactly. >> these mosquitos are receiving a gene that would inhibit production. offspring will not be able to reproduce so will die off before they can produce or pass on disease. john whether it's genetic modification or conventional pesticides, something has to be done and the key is controlling the population in the wild. >> what is the explosion with regard to the virus? >> a lot of experts are pointing

the finger at el nino. it is hot out there, there are drought conditions and people are storing water in their backyard. they are opening up their windows to allow a cool breeze but it allows mosquitos to come inside and find a human victim. >> how do you actually prevent the spread of this disease, is there a way? >> yeah i mean they're trying and there's a lot of experts out there that are trying basically two different techniques. one is through education. basically, talking to people saying don't leave still water in your backyard because that's where mosquitos can breed. put up screens on your windows, wear deet, that's one side and the other is targeting mosquitos where genetic modification can actually shine. >> has aquatech's genetic modification been tested in the field? >> they've done released in brazil, cayman islands and

panama. oxitech said it's 60 to 70% but when you compare that to conventional pesticide which only reduces the population by 50%, 60 to 70% still very good and better than humans have done for centuries. >> phil torres, thank you. "techknow" airs tomorrow at 5:30 eastern time on this channel. next, bearing witness, the holocaust survivor's story. the horror he experienced and the hope he spreads, after this. .

>> wednesday marked holocaust remembrance day, 70 years since the liberation of the auschwitz death camp. gene lost his relatives in

auschwitz, i talked to kline this week he's made it his life's work to talk about the horrors, that the world needs to know. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much for the invitation. >> on this day of remembrance i think it's valuable for all of us to hear a little bit about your story. you were 16 years old when you were sent to auschwitz. >> correct. >> can you talk about what you remember about the time? >> i remember everything. actually, i do a lot of speaking. and it brings back all the memories when i talk to people. but today, my first thought is with my father, who was murdered in auschwitz upon arrival, we were the hungarian jews who were the last to be sent to be killed. of course we didn't know about that. >> your father was sent to the gas chamber. you were sent to the labor camp.

>> exactly. exactly. it was only choice. >> i can't -- it's hard to imagine -- >> right. >> -- watching that happen, experiencing that. >> it's just a total nightmare. the trip from home in cattle cars, that holds 80 human beings and anything from babies to grandparents, took three days and three nights. and they arrive at this place, we have absolutely no idea where we are what's going to happen to us. and i am in a different cattle car with my father, mother and two sisters. because the nazis being so meticulous about numbers when they counted off my family, my father, mother and two sisters were in their first car. i was number 1 in the next car. because they only took 80 human beings in a cattle car. and not 79, not 81. that's it. so i was 16 years old and i'm in

the cattle car for three days and three nights. people are crying, babies are crying, people are praying, we don't know what's going to happen to us. and finally after the three had totally familiar ishetotally fag of thirst because the water in the car was gone within a day. we arrived at this place we don't know where we are. the doors opened, the ss guards with attack dogs, screaming everybody out and i hook up with my family and we have no idea where we are. but an interesting thing happens. we see young men in blue and white stripe prison uniforms approaching the cars whose job it is to clean it up because it's going to go back to hungary to bring another 430,000 hungarian jews to be killed.

we didn't know that. >> what did you think would happen? >> we didn't know. we heard rumors that families would be together, sent to german occupied territory to work on farms for the war effort because this was 1944, in the spring. the war was still going on. of course it was total propaganda, just wanted to keep you calm, you know, that was the whole idea. we didn't understand that they're going to be killing you. this was -- you know a well-planned plan that the final solution, as we found out you know years later, that the jews of europe will be killed. and they're going to be now part of hungarian jews were the last to be sent of auschwitz. we'd never heard of auschwitz. >> as a teenage boy how do you cope with the grief and trying to survive?

>> i was part of a very loving jewish family. we were very sheltered about bad things, you know. and in fact, my mother and father spoke yiddish, if they wanted to speak about something they didn't want the kids to hear about. and here i'm in a situation where my mother and two sisters are going with the women and the children. and my father and i are on the side of men and the boys from mid-teens up. and you are going ahead of this line, everything is beautifully planned, something that should take hours and hours and hours because it's thousands of us. it takes minutes. and before i know it, my father is next to me in the rows of five and all of a sudden there is a line of ss officers, with the very, very flick of a finger pointed to my father, you this

way, point to me, you this way. why is my father going this way? i have no idea. why am i going this way? i figure i'm going to meet with my father later. so here we are. and then the rest is just a nightmare, you know, everything cut off your hair, spray with disinfectant, take a cold shower, everyone was standing there with mouths open, we didn't have water for three days and three nights. next thing we have the same striped uniform that young men who were whispering to the young mothers upon arrival, give your babies to an older person, why would they do that, why would they say in yiddish which is the language of the jews, give up your baby, some did and some didn't. but then you get to the point that you all of a sudden realize

later that if you have a child in your arm you would be sent to the gas chambers. we never heard of gas chambers. and if the woman was by herself, a young mother then she probably was chosen to go to slave labor. >> each year, we get further away from 1944. many survivors still are alive. but many have died. what is it you want people to know? what do you want -- what messages do you want to keep alive this year? >> i think it's really, really important that never forget. that's the slogan. and the sad part of it is, that since the holocaust during which time 6 million jews were murdered, in some smaller amount of different holocaust has happened in the world. former yugoslavia, concentration

camps, people who look like skeletons, now what happens in africa and everywhere else, where people are killing each other because of their religion. that is totally unacceptable that innocent people should be killed for any reason. i want people to be aware of the fact that it can happen. it can happen anywhere. and sometimes, i get extremely upset about the fact that you hear comments by our politicians, against the certain religion that is so parallel to what the nazis did in the '30s about the jews. and it's really, really upsets me. >> gene kline, it is an honor to meet you. thank you very much for coming. >> thank you so much. >> that's our broadcast. thank you for watching. i'm john siegenthaler, i'll see you back here next week. ali velshi is next. next.

>> i'm david schuster in for ali velshi. "on target" tonight. count down to caucus day acknowledge the course of this country's political future. just three days before the iowa caucuses and the democratic and republican establishments are scared to death with donald trump leading the gop and bernie sanders on the verge of an upset ns