donald trump was coming to chicago which is a fairly liberal city. there have been other isolated incidents of violence and confrontations at donald trump rallies, but nothing to this extent. so right now i'm going do toss it to my colleague john seigenthaler to continue to watch the crowd. hopefully soon n >> john. >> a disturbing scene here inside and you outside, the university of chicago. let's start with the scene outside because there are thousands of people. and what's interesting is, that many of them are protesters against donald trump. but what police i assume are trying to keep apart are the trump supporters who were inside who have now come identity to see this enormous crowd. tensions were high, organizers were forced to cancel the event

because of security reasons but we can look inside as well. if you take a look inside, you see it's pretty quiet now. but just moments ago fights broke out, people were screaming at each other. andy rosegen is on the scene. andy, how many were anti-trump and how many were pro-trump? >> reporter: inside arena, this holds several thousand, we didn't know how many anti-trump people were inside here. several people got kicked out but as it turns out there was a whole section i would say maybe of a thousand people at least who were eanlt-trump, who were trump opponents who when this announcement was made, very stunning announcement that it was going to be cancelled, suddenly they erupted.

they said beforehand there were a number who wanted to protest outside but wanted to come inside, quietly, unassumingly, and rush the stage. they didn't have to, because even before donald trump showed up, it was cancelled. they erupted in cheers. they gathered in front of the pit, by the podium, in stunned silence, they didn't say anything, or do anything at first and as the other side of the arena erupted in cheers from the anti-trump folks, started mixing it up a bit shouting in their face. we didn't see anything terribly violent but it got noisy but now we're digesting it because it is such a stunning event. >> maybe you can help me understand. based on the pictures there were precious few police that we could see from the cameras.

and even if you look outside, it looked like police might have been unprepared for huge crowd that was going to show up. i mean based on what you've seen were there enough police to handle the situation? >> well -- it's hard to say and i'll say that because usually uic, university of illinois, chicago, had planned plenty of security. city of chicago police and campus police, all trying to keep the peace. they ringed the pavilion before this started, and you would see them wandering around here, keeping things as safe as they could. they would hustle people out, protesters, but once it got rowdy in here, i didn't see as many as i saw earlier but then we saw strings, lines of them here basically ushering them out. doesn't look like there was

anything violent, overly violent, and then we are looking at shredded up signs and popcorn all over the floor. john. >> the crowd is large, there's one closer to the pavilion, seem to be separated by police and then one outside that perimeter which i would assume are the anti-trump protesters. do you get a sense that these anti-trump folks, how long had they been planning to attend this event? what do we know about that? >> well, the event was announced last friday, a week ago. so immediately, plenty of people on campus at uic and others, hispanic, african american, all mobilized. they started a web page, stop trump chicago. a move on petition to cancel this event. professors, teachers on campus

urged them to cancel but they said look he's paying for the stadium like anybody else, we take no position on him. truthfully a lot of these opponents wanted this event to go on, it empowered them to show them what they could do verbally in a national stage. so at that point ui said okay, protests will be so big, we'll set up a parking lot across from the pavilion where they can put up a stage and do their rally in a big sort of way and the police will keep them separate which they did. but there are plenty who managed to for lack of a better word, sneak in here. they made it clear -- >> we are just watching pictures of an anti-trump protestor, an african american who was dragged off the stage by two white security guards. let me stop you for a second, i want to bring in dante berry,

executive director of the million hoodi hoodies for justi. dante, you have been watching this on television. tell me what your thoughts are. >> you know, thank you so much for having me john. you know it's actually really interesting because just a few hours ago, donald trump was in st. louis and was interrupted for at least ten minutes at a time. continuously, so i think what is happening in chicago is continued to what's happening -- what happened in st. louis and what's continued to happen in communities across the country where it's a complete rejection of donald trump's rhetoric, also a complete rejection in a way to hold people accountable for the electorate that he's energizing and mobilizing around the scene, very dangerous and harmful

rhetoric. >> let me just stop you there. because you've seen this protest, you've seen other protests. >> uh-huh. >> and the real question is: what's the point of the protests? are these protesters trying to antagonize trump folks? are they trying to engage them in some sort of confrontation, in some sort of fight? >> right. so i think it's two things. one: we cannot go any further with a -- with an individual who's running for the highest leadership position of this country who has already said really dangerous things in terms of our own national security, and our own safety, as it relates to women, black people, immigrants, and other communities and muslims around this country. and so he needs to be held accountable to the rhetoric that he is positioning himself. and then the second of that: no

matter whatever happens, regardless of whether or not donald trump becomes elected, he now has mobilized an entire base, an entire electorate of people who share his rhetoric and are actually taking violent action, as we've seen the last couple of days of different actions that have been taken. and black people in particular have again punched to the ground or abused in some form. this is directly related to the 14% rise of hate groups that has been formed since 2014. and so we really need for protesters -- >> let me stop you dante. you would say alt trump supporters relate to hate groups is that what you're suggesting? >> i'm not suggesting that they relate to hate groups but it is a correlation, particularly as it relates to donald trump refuses to denounce david duke and refuses to -- >> he denounced david duke after he didn't denounce david duke. >> that's after the fact.

he didn't know what the ceuks kx klan was or whatever, immigrants, black people, muslims to the point where it's actually scaring people. it's scaring the daily livelihood of a lot of people in this country. and so there has to be a point where we have to say: enough is enough. because we can't accept a president that is going to continue to use harmful rhetoric at our expense. the second piece is that people are risking their lives and their bodies to put themselves on the line to say if this is country that we hold to be great, then we cannot let this rhetoric go any further. so they're actually putting them on the line and engaging in nonviolent civil disobedience or

nonviolence resistance to protests and to demonstrate that this is the type of culture that we would be receiving through a donald trump presidency. >> dante stand by for a second. i want to go back to andy rosegen, who is inside the pavilion, pretty empty now but it was a violent confrontation, there were fights on the floor, i don't know how many you could see andy but we could see some fists flying on the floor and police moved people out. and to some people who can remember mai 1968 in chicago ate democratic convention, this is an eeri efertion requiremeneries

can become violent. have you heard how they're going to disperse people if they are? >> reporter: i haven't heard, initially it was a wall of officers. i'm assuming that's still the case but at this point here obviously it's dead and everyone's moved on and i think police would like to think that these trump supporters are just going to say look, we lost and we're going to head home, that's what police are hoping, obviously from the trump opponents, a lot of the trump -- >> i'm going to interrupt you andy because we're looking at a struggle appears to be between police and some protesters that's broken out in the middle of the street outside the pavilion. how long did people line up outside and inside before this rally was supposed to start, andy? >> well, the very first person, a trump supporter who showed up today at this rally, showed up

at 3:00 a.m., that is how popular this rally was going to be. the line naked around the blocks for hours and hours. it was pretty peatsful, there were.some confrontations between supporters and.protestors. >> police thought they were prepared for this, they thought they were? >> reporter: exactly. ui crrchluic is a fairly benign, not a hot spot. but i see officers running up these steps to go out -- >> here is what we would like to the ask if you don't mind. if you are not outside, if you could take your telephone and go outside and call us we'll talk to you in just a second. >> you bet. >> i want to go back to dante berry. dante, again i sort of made the

reference to 1968. obviously things are different. >> reporter: one of more thing do you still want us to set up outside with the live stuff? >> i'm still hearing andy rosegen. >> andy, if you could hear me you're still on the air just so you know. so you can hear the sound of in protest and what's going on outside. police and protestors coming together clark outside. and as people try opush their way through this police line. we're going to stick with this for a second because, again, disturbing images. and we've watched either the violence or the rhetoric increase over the last several weeks as donald trump has

focused on protesters inside his rallies, made fun of them. as he would say, have them thrown out. and in one case yesterday, we saw one of the trump supporters throw an elbow in a face of an anti-trump supporter on -- you can see it pretty clearly, of course whether he was charged with assault, away you see is people running down the street, trying to find a way across the police line. dante berry is standing by with me. dante, what goes through your mind when you see this? because it doesn't look like -- it looks like this could end -- this could be an ugly end. >> yeah, i think we're really seeing right now, this is just an interesting time to be

living, to be honest with you. with a really strong racial justice movement that has reemerged in the last couple of years, and a presidential candidate that has spewed off of the backlash of this movements. >> before you say anything, dante, sorry, these pictures are gripping. what is the source of the video that we have up tonight? okay, i was just trying osee, because we have very good close-ups of police wrestling protesters to the ground. they got their clubs out. and it has gotten very, very, very, very tense on the street of chicago. go ahead dante, sorry. >> no, i think what we're seeing right now is a -- a vision for

two different types of country. right? you have a country that woulde under this type of violence, through a donald trump presidency. like at his rallies people have been punched, have been bloodied, in response to both black lives matters or saying something else. and so i think that what we're seeing right now is really, it's giving people a clear choice, that is folks can make when it comes to this election. and if we're going to continue to go down a dangerous path or are we not going to go down a dangerous path? and i think that this right here is a clear demonstration of what might happen if we make a

decision that we might regret going in the long run. >> what strikes me is how little control chicago police seem to have over this situation, both inside and outside the pavilion, how quickly it has escalated in a very short period of time. what you have had was donald trump supporters coming out of that pavilion and then somehow they are trying to have this confrontation. and it has been ugly right -- getting ugh lit right now. peter matthews is a political analyst, former democratic nominee for congress. he is in l.a. tonight and peter what do you make of this? >> yes, john, this is just unbelievable but yet there were buildups to this. mr. trump has been using lot of incendiary rhetoric. he said about a protestor, that

man needs to be punched in the face. i've seen reports of his people actually punching people. this election should be about ideas, not about the physical aspect of things. and yet, the candidates have the responsibility here, especially donald tmp, and he did not disavow david duke right offhand. >> dante brought up this point the black lives matter movement, whate have seen across the country over the past year or so. do you think this is directly related to race? >> i believe it is related to race and class. because of course trump has brought up the racial side of it when he talked about block any muslims from coming to america, blaming all of them for being possible terrorists. and deporting1 million undocumented latino immigrants.

trump doesn't seem to care about undocumented people, and bernie sanders seem to be otherwise. this is seeming the go out of control, especially what's going on in chicago right now. >> can you talk about -- are there any comparisons to 1968 when we saw protest against vietnam war? and for civil rights? in the streets of chicago outside the democratic convention? >> 1968, definitely a comparison there bought at that tim because was a protest against president johnson's policies and the protesters were calling for social and racial and economic justice. some of these overtones are here tonight. these protesters see donald trump representing the billionaire, he claims to be a billionaire himself, to not

care, and quote the mainstream, no, america is inclusive. it has to give zig tonight and honor to everyone no matter what ethnicity, what racial and ethnic groups. >> peter, stand by for a second. i've got andy rosegen who's walked outside, in the middle of the crowd. >> john, it's a line of horses, police officers on horseback holding back this tremendously large hundreds and hundreds of antitrump folks, the mexican flak flying everywhere, all nasty signs about mr. trump. it's unclear at this point why exactly the trump campaign shut this rally down. was it because of the big protest happening outside and they were fearful of things happening outside or was it because of rumors or of things happening inside? or all of those people getting kicked out even before the rally

started? maybe a combination of both but for whatever reasons it was cancelled. we have been told donald trump will be in illinois at a rally in bloomington, illinois, on this sunday. he has not given up on illinois but he has given up here. >> andy, help me understand it. there is a crowd that's close to -- here is our picture again, close to what appears to be the pavilion and then a space and a line of police. are there trump supporters on one side and anti-trump supporters on the other? >> reporter: not really. it looks like the anti-trump people have said, we give up. the other line you are referring to, the line of police, there were trump supporters getting into it with a couple of opponents but the police that i'm seeing now are just in their classic hold-mode. they're all standing on

horseback. >> we're seeing a little more than that andy. police have taken -- put people on the ground. there have been some confrontations between some of the -- what appears to be anti-trump protestors and police and is the crowd dissipating outside? it seems to be pretty strong from what we see. >> it is still strong. the trump opponents are out here in full force, it is not a bad night, it's probably about 45°, warm enough to be standing out here. i apologize, john, you're probably seeing more than i am. if you are seeing fights break out. from what i stand on one corner there is a little back and forth going on. there are police just standing here watching over and on the other corner, wait, now a fight has broken out here, as i stand here. punches are being thrown between opponents and supporters, on the

northwest corner of the pavilion. yes, fight has broken out, there is punches being threen thrown. now they're moving in to keep the peace. there's a big mexican flag that's being carried around here. cameras are all over it and i believe you will see this, our camera manis from inside the pavilion, the police have moved in to clear it out. cell phones have been pulled out by people who want to record all this. they have called this one down. so john i think what you're seeing is little skirmishes breaking out here and there. this one has broken up. >> can you tell us, i mean what about the police presence? how many, can you get a sense of whether there's a strong police presence outside? and were there barriers to set up to try to keep people apart

or not? >> reporter: yes, actually there were very long barriers on all the sides of the pavilion, to separate everybody. and you know this is a massive effort, at least by the looks of it, campus police, state police, chicago city police, the fbi and such to keep the peace. so they had the barriers up. barriers are keeping people from the entrance to the pavilion as are the horseback officers. but right now police seem to be doing what i'm doing right now, alonging for limb skirmishes breaking out, moving in breaking it -- little skirmishes breaking out. i guess trump supporters get tired and move in. >> i'm looking at a picture, what looks like a garage outside, people going up to floors of the park garage but unable to get out because it looks like the entrance to the parking garage is blocked by

protesters. if people wanted to leave, trying to get out of the area, doesn't look like they're going to get out for a while because the access is blocked. entrance or exit. i've got a retired nypd lieutenant. darren, what are you seeing tonight based on your knowledge of police, of how police handle a situation like this? what sort of job chicago police department doing? >> okay when you think about situations like this, because donald trump is a presidential candidate, the secret service are at the forefront of security in connection with this. and usually there's a coordination, usually there's a coordinated approach in that the secret service will give directives to the local pd. when i look at a situation like this it appears to be out of control. and that then the secret service

would have given green light to the quote unquote chicago pd to come inside. so when we reflect back on why did it take so long for police to respond, it was because it was predicated on the direction of the secret service. >> i mean, i don't know, but i would suspect protesters came inside to try to disrupt this rally, and by -- and there may -- you know we have a first amendment in this country. you have to let people go to a public event. but at the same time, you would think there would be a plan to try to keep the protesters and the donald trump supporters apart. >> right, wet it's a very difficult -- well it's a very difficult thing. when we think about the first amendment or our freedom to assemble it is not absolute. here we have a situation that's clear public alarm. where the demonstrators are positioned as opposed to the trump supporters it is going to be very difficult for organizers

to determine. because when they purchase a ticket, anybody has the ability to purchase a ticket just based on them appearing to be a supporter. so it's really difficult for the organizers to determine who's who. but when they came into the stadium so to speak and they started to organize, that's when the security was in the venue, had to put forth a contingency plan. now all large scale arenas and stadiums, they have a contingency plan for if there's a riot, a stampede and things to that effect. and that's what they'll roll out. so when we think in connection of where people are sitting and where the people are sitting it's really hard for you to determine. but the contingency plan that the stadium has is what's going to come into play initially. clearly seemed like that didn't work. the second piece to that like i mentioned earlier, the secret service they're at the forefront

of that and they tried to contain it as best they could. >> they're clearly going to have to rethink how to than situation in the future because i suspect they're going to deal with it again. stand by darren, i want to bring back peter matthews, the professor of political science at cypress college. peter, what's the impact on this presidential race in general of a scene like this tonight? >> it can go in any direction if you think about it john. i'm looking at the elections coming up on tuesday, on the states of ohio and florida. depending on what happens there will also determine what position trump will have in this whole scheme of things. but the people who support trump and those who oppose him are not going away and that's unfortunate also that, the next rally that he will be holding. trump himself and the other

leaders, who have power over these folks, have to tone down the rhetoric and get a semblance of reason, in terms of race relations and class relations and opportunities. so this particular event today, was completely unexpected this level. >> could it have an impact on the elections tuesday? >> absolutely. >> one theory could be that it would bring out more donald trump supporters because there are a lot of angry people. >> yes there are. >> they don't all support donald trump but maybe this helps them rally around donald trump do you think? >> it could very well do that. those folks who tend to support him are those what you call law and order supporters. now is the time to rally behind this plan, this could be one of them that brings in new people. on the other hand the antitrump people are going to vote as well, they're going to rally people to get out there and they're already ready to go. i don't know the if illinois has

instant registration. fit does, then that case you could have a surge of voters come in and registering in the democratic -- it is also an open primary anyone could vote for any of the candidates. >> these are live pictures on the right of another confrontation. >> another one. >> with police. let me just reset for a second as we watch these pictures. because we begin with this wild confrontation. as you can see happening right now, at what was going to be a donald trump rally in chicago. the tensions are so high that organizers were forced to cancel it just a little while ago because of security concerns. this is scene at the university of illinois, chicago, the pavilion inside just about a half an hour or 45 minutes ago was packed with thousands of people. some -- most of them were trump supporters but a good portion, maybe a thousand or more, were

anti-trump folks, protestors. and there were confrontations and some fights inside. police cleared the area, moved everybody out and this fight has continued out onto the street, out on the sidewalk, outside the pavilion. a large crowd that are complaining about donald trump and his rhetoric are fighting in some cases police, in some cases donald trump supporters. there's a huge parking garage which is right down from the pavilion where many of these people had parked their cars and are still trying oget their cars out. -- to get their cars out. that's a large part of the crowd thasd gatherecrowdthat's gathere that entrance. peter andy roast jen is outside with the crowd now and i believe

we have darren porcher who is a former nypd lieutenant. andy what do you see now? >> reporter: at the parking garage is where the whole thing was centered. i talked to police, cars can get out of an entrance or exit of this park garage so they are guiding now to keep people from going into the parking garage. really what it's become now is all these thousands and thousands of trump opponents walked off shouting back and forth, police lined up, no skirmishes going on now. they are shouting, who won, we won, who is city our city whose school our school. much smaller crowd right now, as the trump supporters are in gloat-mode. we passed one man, the trump supporter was giving them the nazi salute for the longest time, they shouted back.

it is at this point, the barricades are working and they're keeping the two sides apart but really john, the trump supporters are dwindling in some places -- >> not in others. these are not live pictures, that was just moments ago of a fight that was breaking out in the street. let me talk a little bit about the university of illinois chicago. give me a sense of how many students go there? is this an urban campus? >> yes, urban campus. and very diverse, very, very diverse. extremely diverse very democratic leaning campus. and so the folks here, the trump opponents initially right away, right when the rally was announced, mobilized.

social media sites, where everyone could rsvp, about 9,000 people said they would be here to protest. 9,000 is about matching the number of people allowed in the pavilion. about 45,000 people signed a petition on move on.org, about 200 teachers demanded the school cancel the event othe fears of violence but truthfully john a lot of people who don't like trump warranted this -- wanted this to go on. >> we want to break in for a second. what happens on the highway near pavilion people near the highway trying to block the traffic and in some cases able to block traffic. i saw this on the other streets as well around the pavilion right? >> right, that's a common tactic. they've been doing that back in -- well over a year ago now but when that video was released that touched off all the rioting

in chicago, that was a big thing. a lot of people took to the streets, they blocked interstates. i believe they're not going to let it go, their opinion, we're not going to let it go. there were trump opponents, a lot more who wanted it to go on even though they oppose trump, they wanted to empower their voices and get their voices out there and this was their way to do it. they're going to have a lot to celebrate here because they have done what no other trump opponents have done at there point, get a trump event cancelled. he will appear in bloomington illinois a much friendlier part of illinois but for right now he has lost this round. >> it seems to me peter, that donald trump is going to say something either tonight or tomorrow about what happened here. and in some ways he can fan flaisms of the angeflames of tht

of his supporters or he can caulk everyone down. yes. >> what is your sense of it? >> i would think he will try ocalm people down but you never know donald trump. he is very volatile and unpredictable. he plays to the fact that he wants voters. in hif he can be more brazen hen fan flames and get more votes, that can really work in the ballot box as opposed to this way. this is important to allow free speech on both sides, especially on the side of the demonstrators when want to make a point here. to have 9,000 go out there this is amazing, well organized through internet as well. you said there were something like 45,000 through moveon.org. that also supported in one way or another. but to have 9,000 actual people

out there is quite remarkable. it's not going to go the right way, unless donald trump says the right things this can go the wrong way in the election season unfortunately. >> we've seen protests in new york and ferguson and all over the country that have talked about black lives matter and protested police shootings of african americans. >> yes. >> dante berry suggested just a while ago that this is about race. as you look at these pictures, is this about black-white, muslim-latino, white-white, are we being separated by race? >> yongi don't think so john. donald trump's comments were directed at muslims and latinos. but there are multiethnic coalition that says that america

is about fairness and justice and inclusion and donald trump is wrong. if you look at this crowd you're not going to see just african american students. take a look. there's a multidimension of people who are speaking out. donald trump would do well if he calm things down tomorrow, attempt to become more conciliatory and repudiate david duke very clearly. >> stan by fod by for a moment. a community organizer for chicago, she was outside that pavilion, soror, thanks for talking to us. what did you see? >> it was pretty amazing i got to tell you. you know i heard you guys talking about the diversity. the diversity on our side, on the side really being able to come out strong about trump and everything that he stands for was amazing. people were united, students -- i'm not a student myself, it's

been a long time since i was a student but the energy on that side was really amazing. it was obviously such a strong message to trump that it's not going to happen in chicago and the chicago people spoke. it was great to have a part of it. >> what was the plan to shuttle it down? >> yes, the plan for everybody was to shut it down. moveon.org had a petition going out there where a lot of people like myself were signing up to cancel this, you know uic an urban campus, it's got a really diverse population, you've got urban people who go there as well. so the absolute goal was to shuttle it down and in this greatly city to have shut it down that way. >> donald trump though has his first amendment rights too. why do you want to deprive him of that? >> i don't want to deprive him of his rights. i don't want t him to deprive us

of our rights. where should he go, right? it's all about having equal rights but it's also my rights being able to be here. >> can you tell about this protest was organized, how long you have been trying to put this together tonight? >> honestly, i mean i came in, i'm not one of the leaders of the protest or of the organizing movement. i saw it about a week ago. it mobilized really quickly. a lot of people all of a sudden started bringing things together, all in the matter of a week. and honestly when you bring people who have good hearts and do well and have truly american spirit, anything can happen. this is a true testament to mobilizing to using your freedom of speech to be able to like protest and get your voice heard and actually have something happen about it. that's exactly what this country is about. >> so tell me what you think of what you're seeing tonight and how do you think the chicago

police have handled this situation? >> you know from what i was able to see, when i first came to the protest i was trying to get my way around there were a lot of cops everywhere and they seemed to have handled me at least well and handled the divide. it was a pretty clear divide at the protest. there were the trump supporters on one side, barricades, there were a lot of cops a lot of security to keep the two sides separate. so for the most part they were able to keep it. obviously as the day progressed and the night progressed it started to get more feisty and started to get whatever. but for the most part people handled themselves at that rally pretty well. >> sora let me write you a couple of tweets, donald trump spoke to msnbc. you have so much anger in the country, so much anger this the country, i don't think it's

directed at me or anything. he figured after half hour with law enforcement, it was safer not having get people hurried. rather than to mix it up i feel it would be a wise thing to postpone this rally. so that's really what people like you and the organizers of this protest wanted, right? >> yeah, absolutely. i mean to kind of counter that quote, i juts want to give you a quote that was on the poster that i held at this rally. it's a quote from mall come x. it was we need more light about each other. light creates understanding, understanding creates love love creates patience and patience creates unity. we were united in chicago, to speak back against bigotry. i'm just proud of my country now. >> sora, where are you right

now? >> i left the rally and often my way home. >> we appreciate talking to you. is andy rosegen still up? >> yes i'm here. >> before we go to andy, i want to read you more. donald trump spoke just a few moments ago about the events tonight. here is what he said. >> you know it all comes together and you see it all over. you see it here you see it in lots of different locations and there's a lot of anger in the country and it's very sad to see actually. saying we are going to postpone the rally we said be peaceful and go in peace. for most part they have chris. this was a lot better than if we have the rally go through. you have so much anger in the country it's justifies anger in the country. i don't think it's directed at me or anything, it's just been directed at what's been going on years and it's a double slip. you have people who are very,

very you know upset about what's happening in the country as a country and you have other people that just don't feel right about things. those people were outside coming inside and rather than having everybody get in and mix it up, i thought it would be a wise thing -- >> that was donald trump on msnbc just a while ago. andy give us a short synopsis. this started how many hours ak? >> probably around 5:00 is when the stadium really filled up. and for a good hour, hour and a half there were continually people getting tossed out. you have shouts of u.s.a. u.s.a, trump trump trump, then the cops would rush over and throw protesters out. yelling and screaming. after a while just had to calm down. it was weird, all these protesters were getting tossed

out even before trump arrived. then when it was announced it was going to be postponed or cancelled, we don't know if it's going to be rescheduled, stunned silence from trump supporters and a huge section of the pavilion erupted in tears. we were hinted at they might rush the stage during the event. i suppose trump heard wind of it, whatever, this huge section cheered like crazy then scuffles started to break out inside the arena, nothing too serious, didn't get too hot but then eventually everyone made their way out. these trump opponents spent the night gloating. trump, he would be loath to say it's him, it's not me, basically, others, but trump opponents say this is a victory for them, they are gloating and

saying they won tonight. trump supporters have kind of really dispersed and even now the trump opponents are starting to leave as well. this is a stunning turn of events, if you didn't hear it earlier, trump announced he will be in bloomington, bloomington is much more trump country than downtown chicago john. >> you say people are leaving. the attention is waning a little bit or -- >> reporter: it is waning. there is a big group of people who were at the corner who have gone, the parking garage where the hotness was is start to be calm down. what's happening now is the trump poandz are jus opponents g gloating. they won. i can't emphasize enough, as many people who wanted to cancel this before it got going as a way to send a message to donald trump, many, many many, many

people are happy it did go on, to shake the up even before it got started to get this thing shut down to as they see it kind of embarrass donald trump that he couldn't come here. they got their wish. it will be interesting to see what goes forward. this is not trump country. even cook county republicans voted trump a distant third among their recent candidates. so it's a blue state, a blue city. a very blue campus and they made their voices heard tonight. just to wrap this up, the crowdd is really starting to disperse. there is one group of people still in front of parking garage. >> we're looking at them sphwhrp >> the horses have started to arrive and disperse the crowd. >> good to hear from you. dante berry executive director of the million hoodies march.

we spoke about race to other of our guests dante. i don't want to put words in your mouth, you do believe it is about race. >> absolutely it is 100% about race. i think when we ignore the factor that many of the folks, many of the rhetoric that donald trump has exercised in his speeches and in his debates have been about immigrants, have been about muslims. and most likely those folks are also black and brown people. and we've seen how he's reacted, responded to them, to the black lives matter protesters and activists. both at his own rallies and in oarl instance he oother instancs comments. this is definitely about race, about the ultimate power struggle that poor white folks

are also experiencing because we're not necessarily talk about low incomes, communities that they're coming from and this has really been a response to the election of obama. i think we've started to see this rhetoric really form once obama got elected and now donald trump just kind of be the full complete iteration of this movement that has really been very violent and dangerous. >> in some ways do you think that donald trump has given new life to the black lives matter movement? >> i don't want to say he's given new life, but what donald trump has created is the idea that one, we're going to hold him accountable and hold any politician that runs for elected office that is going to also

represent black people and other communities of color, that we're going to hold them accountable for no matter what happens around their rhetoric and their actions and this is a clear demonstration of that tonight. regardless whether he becomes president he is going to have to deal with these sets of protts, as to hold him accountable for the acts of rhetoric that he uses. and second i think that overall this really creates a space for actual multiracial coalition building. and i thy you saw in the protest tonight that the people that are -- i think you saw in the protests tonight that the set of people that are turning out are actually black, brown, white, american muslims and immigrants, and so this is actually saying, all in against hate and bigotry and we're no longer going to take this for the rest of the primary season or the general election.

>> dante, good to talk with you. thanks for joining us tonight, helping us watch this, and give youros. i want to bring darren porcher, he is a retired nypd lieutenant. he's on the phone. in some ways darren it would seem to me, the secret service and every police department that has to handle a donald trump rally, this changes everything. >> absolutely. one of the things, let's talk about the prior rallies that donald trump has had. there's been a police presence and it's been clear there's a series of disputes within the members of the crowd. this should have been necessary for the police department more particularly chicago pd to fortified their forces as much as possible and ramp up personnel. i believe he's going somewhere else in the state of illinois. this is going to create a blueprint for what the security forces is going to be moving

forward. gradually become more and more intense, and now it's -- i think in connection with the police executives, they need to learn, this is a lesson learned for how you need to secure your facility, moving forward with the next donald trump raleigh. >> we have fazia murza ton telephone. antitrump protester who was inside the pavilion at the university of illinois chicago. fazia, tell us what you saw and what happened? >> i was there as, you know, i'm an actor and writer and i do comedy and satire. i created a character isha trump, supposed to be the illegitimate daughter of trump. we committed a satire and documentary, released monday. and part of it is is hfertiona g

to meet her father as a muslim trump character. we weren't even sure we were going to get in. there was a pretty you know wild number of people outside. and the protesters whether we were in line they were there, small but mighty. inside what was happening was, there was a massive group of other like muslims, muslim students, black lives matter, black lives matter people. and i was talking to one of the students who i know, and she was telling me that there's going to be an organized -- organizational uic student protest once she gets on stage. so that was something that i was planning on doing sort of as a -- as sort of a small kind of contingent, and we were filming it. i found out they were doing that as well, people were being kicked out pretty much immediately, as soon as you got

a seat, people started holding up signs and they were escorted out. kick them out. the kick them out was balanced by the let them stay. >> so give me a sense of what your message -- what was the message of the protest movement tonight to donald trump? >> well i think you know, the point i mean, he's coming -- donald trump is coming into chicago, the illinois primary is coming up. doesn't matter whether you're a democrat or republican i think the chicago message is that you know we expect more from a politics anpolitician and we wam a politician. >> doesn't that depend on his point of view and the ability to speak about it? >> i completely do agree but i believe there is a difference between someone who is representing, if this were ted cruz or kasich or marco rubio it wouldn't be happening but i mean

look, if hitler were running, people go back and say well, you know we should probably have done something earlier and seen the signs. and i think this is an attempt at people saying we see the signs and we're not going to -- we're not going to put up with it. that being said, there are plenty of people who are donald supporters. i stayed there until the police -- they didn't put their hands on me and i respect what they were doing. they literally had to force me to leave. i said look i didn't do anything, i was peacefully here. they were yelling at me and said you muslims need to speak out to what you people are doing to the christians. and i was whoa, wait a minute. >> this was ugly and there were fights inside and outside, fazia, i want to wrap this up and we thank you for talking to us. thanks so much.

>> you're welcome. >> and peter matthews, you heard what donald trump had to say. >> let me put it in a larger context. i had a lecture in my class this morning, about the maintainer like george h.w. bush and the protecting leader, who uses scapegoats, scaring the public into submission so the public will follow them blindly and they blame problems in the economy on different groups like ethnic minorities who don't have as much power and trump has done that by vil fie vilifying the mm community and undocumented immigrants should be deported, 11 million of them. this has resulted in a terrible situation that arises as you know. hitler was the par excellence

leader like that, that be resembles like that. for him to not disavow david duke in a strong forceful way, that was telling, very telling. >> what did it tell you? >> that he might have some sympathies to that extreme right wing -- >> said he doesn't have any sympathies for the kkk. if. >> he said it after a day or two? >> yes the next day and he said he'd done it before. >> if he said that, that's good, he didn't say it right away. the way you vehemently disavow something is you do it right away. i appreciate he did that. >> based on what you heard him say tonight on msnbc do you get a sense that he's going to tone down the rhetoric? >> i do, i really think he did. what he said tonight was quite conciliatory in some ways, that was good, a good start, how we need to heal the situation. >> let us play this one more

time and let our folks throirch it. >> sure. listen to it. >> stand by one second. i caught everyone off guard. sorry. >> it call comes together and you see it all over. you see it here you see it in lots of different locations and there's a lot of anger in the country and it's really sad to say actually. to say we're going to postpone the rally we said be peaceful and go in peace. for the most part they have. this is a lot better than if we had the rally go through. you have so much anger in the country i mean it's just anger in the country and it's not directed at -- i don't think it's directed at me or anything it's directed at what's been going on for years and it's on both sides. it's a double -- it's a double slip. you have people that are very, very you know upset about what's happening with the country as a country and you have other people that just don't feel right about things. i mean those people were outside

they were coming inside and rather than have -- rather than having everybody get in and mix it up, i thought it would be a wise thing -- >> that's what donald trump had so say on msnbc. andy rosegen was outside the pavilion, i got less than a minute andy. what's it look like now? >> reporter: if you can see it john right now all the cars from this park garage are finally getting out on this one exit where all the trump opponents are. as each car comes out well a lot of these cars are people that are trump supporters because they drove here. >> okay. >> finger yelling and such. >> no, that was our guest, go ahead andy. >> reporter: i was just going to say that a lot of the trump supporters drove here a lot of the trump opponents are actually students on campus. so as each car comes out they are screaming and yelling as the cars go past.

>> andy, thank you very much. events in chicago cooling down. we're going to continue to monitor what's going on here. i'm john siegenthaler, "ali velshi on target" is next. . >> i'm ali velshi. "on target" tonight. addiction in america. a frightening firsthand look at a growing drug epidemic. it's the new high you can buy at the corner store. america's heroin epidemic is not this country's only drug problem despite the impression you might get listening to presidential candidates. there is another newer drug plaguing america that goes by