into turkey and get refuge here mr goodchild want role do you see turkey playing in what mr landis has said also in the stablish meant off as a deescalation zone. let me say this first time in the aleppo war russia has expanded after experiencing to other poor russian strategic decision makers i think come to conclude that siege warfare in syria is not working so right now they have an different plan right now and they are trusting on the ankara's mediating power on those. sunni armed groups in and around it there so i think this is the plan that they are planning to follow first they are coming with a. sort of proposal to daws armed groups right now in operating in and around to sleep if you want to live it sleep than we have and proposal for you

. for your families you know you can go to the north of here to resettle there to rehabilitate and to reintegrate meaning that at the end of the day if they accept this proposal and say yes then if we vote expect the expiration of your official packet so another option if they prefer to stay in it meaning that they also accept this is a grim truth for them they are the radical elements so i think. russia needs uncorrupt mediation not to turn it. into a siege warfare so they want to provide a my way out of those. sunni arab armed groups in and around so if they accept this proposal and say yes we can we

can see a sort of transfer of pause fighters and their families i'm talking about around fifty to sixty thousand people to do not of. and we can then see the expiration of uta frith shield and here is the case here is the tricky issue if this is the case then i think expansion of the universe should parker is unnecessary and i'm expecting the expression of to do rest so there is all ation of offering count on and off to day world work what foreign currency moscow saw expansion of your official pocket to the west and containment of affluent count on currently under the council of white pigeon forces will their demand of today make our car and my school happy it and if uncle and moscow are happy if they can establish these deescalation zones in the felde and how how far will what does that

mean for for the civil war how far do these deescalation zones god towards ending the war do you think. well the immediate success from the russian point of view of the coalition's live band central syria and southern syria is that all capable units can be concentrated or most of them in the roles or province where right now the main action is happening and where russia and the supporting the pro-us said groups hopes to take over are main the most important syrian natural gas and oil assets to give the assad government some kind of source of stable income which it doesn't have right now and fully depends on handouts from tehran and moscow so that's where the action is happening and here there should be right now

a cease fire that's very important so right now more or less the russian main opponents are not really the fighters in the province but the kurds the syrian democratic forces supported by the americans which are moving also into the arrow zoran also taking over partially some of those oil and gas assets and the main problem is there and the russian right now propaganda in the russian ministry of defense is actually. a claim ing that the americans are together with isis and the kurds are together with isis so there you have more or less russia and turkey having the same enemy and that same enemy seems to be the way p.g. and mr land is just how much of turkey's interests and backing moscow this nation for syria right now you know stands from the rejection of the u.s. backed kurdish forces and syria who of course turkey season is an extension you

know of the kurds that they're fighting in their country well it's very important and that's why turkey has lived away from the united states and towards russia because. the united states by choosing to enter in on the side of the kurds and called bonnie two years ago and then push it with the kurds down towards isis territory has of course strength that serious kurds and moved them just as american support for iraq's kurds get towards independence of some broad degree of autonomy and the kurds of northern syria are expected to come out of this civil war with a broad degree of autonomy if not independence and that of course has driven turkey into the arms of russia and caused them to look for a way to move together in provinces like italy or. so that they can work together with the kurds and keep the kurds firmly inside syria's orbit and we have we will

see how that is that would hurt from syrian foreign minister and want him lately saying that he can see greater autonomy for kurds in a post civil war syria mr goodchild and that is of course next to could is controlled often that we've been talking about does turkey also have that sights set on some kind of by the train move on off and do you think. the end of today i think this is the anchor our strategic objective for me. if our career has been moving its military. forces right now we are talking about then commando better than waiting at the border line and also mechanized infantry better than. involving around five to six hundred soldiers and they are there to be deployed to the city centers to monitor. the escalation zone but at the end of the day

i think uncorrupt primary target is our friend and according to ankara threat perception of incomes for our so the isolation and containment of aspirin to prevent the establishment's of p.k. k. or kurdish corridor or stretching from qandil region in northern iraq. since our region and also from those two continents in the east of your affairs syria and coburn you can't close and this is us in canton stretching from eastern military and so this is a worst case scenario for ankara nightmare scenario and kyra has been thinking that it's desperately in need of preventing peace to happen so for me nothing can turn is the primary target for ankara and therefore and how could turkey do you think make a military move on afrin without russia's approval. most likely not and there apparently

is some kind different tented if it were just understanding between moscow and ankara that afrin right now is going to be a separate case right now there russia has established a small. military mission in for him it's also important for russia to see that the african on quade controlled by kurds does not become a kind of american the americans don't appear there and so the russia would kind of try to keep the turks out of it for the time being and i think the un karrar agreed to that must work we are free and will be. surrounded to some extent but going in right now is not an option that's believe in that there's an agreement on to do it mr landis how do you think the u.s. is looking on at this cooperation between russia iran and turkey first of all in setting up deescalation zones and syria you know attempting to resolve the syrian

conflict which the u.s. has not been able to and also seeing moves possibly against the kurdish forces that they support. well there's two different issues here one is al qaeda. and there i think that the united states is very pleased to have turkey moving in and trying to address this issue along with russia united states does not want al qaeda surviving in northern syria as far as the kurds this is a very difficult problem for the united states i think increasingly we will see the united states remain in northern syria where they've been building bases but today there was a big fight within the american administration about how long and how much military support to give to the kurds and whether that was sacrificed relations with turkey because united states wants good relations with turkey they understand

the value of turkey turkey is date it's a big economy big military they want it as an ally but they can't abandon the kurds misako chon is turkey still interested in regime change in syria at all or has it given that up to fight the kurds and to fight the. to hottest on its border. i think it's inevitable rescind regime change change is all about foreign car right now. i mean decision makers are out there thinking that you know. should stay and unity of syria right now is extremely important saw and also ankara as i said before the primary in a more primary target these daws you know p.k. k. affiliated y.p.u. forces in the north of syria so unclear is in a sort of dilemma right now to play the enemy of my enemy is my france right a.j.

so here who is the enemy. to play with. fighting against the other enemy so i think at the end of the day what we will see is a sort of initiation of negotiations between ankara and this is inevitable saw ankara needs such support. how can i say to contain this. expansion and consolation of dollars carefully edited by peter forces in the north of syria i saw her i think it down there to say we will see initiation of negotiations between south and i'm sure that this month is going to be very soon as a falcon how and just last question to you what role do you see russia playing in this engagement in shaping the future of syria right now world the russian strategies career and rather watch a call so right now this the most important thing is the military operation in

their roles or against the u.s. over services to take in the main target this not just simply to destroy isis which one cycle and three years a kind of or get some kind of grew organization there in the syrian iraqi border area but to take over and control the gas and oil assets to give the mask a mask. income money for them to begin to rebuild syria and then there's going to should be different kind of negotiations to somehow integrate parts of the sunni opposition groups into a reformed pro i said or i said government which was more or less restored the control over syria may be a bit federalized but still more west united syria and russia would keep a strong military bases permanent bases in the coastal tartarus

and in. me me i'm that's the future that russia sees mr felgenhauer thank you very much for that thank you to all our guests met in gold challenge pavel felgenhauer and joshua landis and thank you for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a.j. inside story from elizabeth rodman the whole team here by for now.

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is al jazeera live from doha i'm fully back people also ahead spain's government insists the country will not be divided as pressure grows on the catalan government after a huge march in boston on a against independence plus how one of the middle east eternal way shoes water has become a factor in the kurds drive for independence. welcome to the ancient cheap seats the probably would have offered the best view of the regular bloodbath below but they do offer a sensational view of the city and new parts of rome's colosseum are being opened up thanks to financing from wealthy residents. the united states and turkey have imposed visa restrictions on each other in an escalating diplomatic dispute over the arrest of a u.s. consulate worker and his stumble he's accused of links to the u.s.

base cleric who turkey claims was the mastermind of last year's failed diane estabrook reports from washington. the u.s. fired off the first volley in the diplomatic dispute on sunday issuing a statement saying it was suspending all nonimmigrant visa services at diplomatic facilities across turkey by the end of the day the turkish embassy responded in kind to the u.s. the visa suspension war started just days after turkish authorities arrested a us consulate employee met in tokyo claiming tokyo's was fine for an exiled turkish cleric the u.s. says those accusations are baseless oh look i was a look are retired and basswood her and former principal representative to the european union says the u.s. is sending a clear and deliberate message. from the army to come say. already there warning. at all what's going.

on in talking to the american interests the exiled cleric fedele a good one has been a bone of contention between the u.s. and turkey for nearly two decades turkish president to want claims that masterminded last year's bloody military coup attempt from his compound in the u.s. state of pennsylvania he's been pressuring the u.s. to extradite the cleric goole and has repeatedly said the claims are baseless following the failed coup attempt former vice president joseph biden traveled to turkey to reaffirm friendly ties with the nation president donald trump did the same thing when air to one visited washington last spring turkey remains a valuable nato ally is home to the incirlik air base a strategic military tool in the us war against eisel besides the consulate employ a dozen other americans remain under arrest in turkey but so far efforts to negotiate their release have been unsuccessful dian estabrook al jazeera washington

. tensions between the u.s. and turkey started when the u.s. began backing kurdish fighters in their fight against in syria that was under the obama administration turkey considers those forces an extension of the kurdistan workers party p.k. k. which wage an insurgency within turkey for over three decades more recently a u.s. grand jury indicted fifteen turkish security officials over a brawl with protesters during president wants trip to washington in may describe the indictments as scandalous now not even a letter by seventy eight members of the u.s. congress any personal appeal from president trump has convinced her to want to release any of the dozen americans locked up in turkey simcoe see who is our correspondent based in turkey we're lucky enough to have her here in doha for more on this story sin and relations have deteriorated on a number of issues recently between the u.s. and turkey this latest incident how serious is it in the overall deterioration of

the relationship well fully actually let me first start by saying that this is the first kind of new events and i'm talking about the suspensions of. services for turkish citizens this is the first ever in turkish american violator of relations history and united states has the same suspect suspension decision for other countries like yemen libya. but for turkey this is the first time off course like in nine hundred sixty s. and seventy's during the coup years turkey had same suspension suspension decision from other countries but are they have been both allies they're both nato members so this is very distinct to actually turkey retaliated by retaliating back last night by it's also suspended be suspending these us u.n. services to the foreign occupier it is the government governing party his

spokesperson market and also that really spawned them. on the same level by our embassy in washington because a u.s. decision was released by the u.s. embassy in ankara right we are trying to be a call and you know so we want everything to be settled by diplomacy this is what he says but we are reading from the news reports and i also had some confirmation from a source as an anchor at that what triggered united states for taking out this the situation to suspend service is that right arrested one of the employees in u.s. consulate he was a translator working for the american consulate in istanbul and he was accused of being a mediaeval between two lucky.