hence pressure from the human rights organizations not to kill civilians and this paralyzes to a certain degree. the attacking army want to use heavy air power just to blow up blow them apart quickly talking about casualties and suffering it sammy is there a consensus about how what to do with iraq once this is over who's going to run it who's going to make sure there won't be another stage of chaos between other groups which take over up to up to now and a mother was to put in place what they call a civil administration and actually won several administration has means established for africa and played a part into a recreation of. the fighters so this is the mordred but now when it comes to iraq are the question is whether this

a civil administrator administration put in place would be a challenge by. the syrian regime because now it's backed and sponsored very there as the this is one segment the would it have and this is the most important would it have the necessity resources to rebuild iraq are because now iraq is a city that flies in tunes and it's thought that a devastated and this dropped a and so the question is once more who will pay for that and whether this city would have the resources to rebuild it sammy at some point it seems like the syrian army and the s.t.'s are geographically on the ground approaching they're getting close to each other is that an indication that there is an understanding between the fact that there isn't doesn't seem so far to be any conflict between them there is some kind of understanding about how the show should be run there.

up to now there is a kind of agreement between russian and american overlooking what's taking place inside syria yes one can guess that is the nation though there are area or small areas of these agreements given that critics of the russian equivocates of what's happening and that then us region at best see an iraqi border but after all i think that there is a kind of mega agreement between the two powers that the defining areas of influence and. that they're all got their heads of each of their players on the ground sunny sunny mentioned there you know the question of who's going to rebuild the areas which slip out of life was control and that only opens up a new chapter in the humanitarian challenges right. you're right it's not clear to

us how raptor is going to be administered once isis is defeated we hear about the iraqi civil council we hear maybe the government will go in and you know we're not really privy to those discussions i would just say reckless certainly not ready to have people whose back to it it's full of unexploded ordinances mines and bombs there was absolutely need to be cleared before anyone returns home homes have been destroyed public services aren't functioning you know it's going to be really critical that when people do go home when they all do want to go home that it's safe for them to do that and that sirius's are available so what happens to people so near until they can return home people are actually scattered all across northern iraq a governorate there are stem caps for displaced people they're completely stretched because there are new arrivals every day including now frontiers who are agencies on the ground are doing their best to provide some sort of temporary relief in the

terms of water and sanitation in student temporary schools but that's not a really long term solution there are other people that have tribal relations and relatives in northern iraq and so they've moved towards living with them there are others that are moving towards drought listener area hope you're trying to get into turkey so you really just see a population that's moving around trying to get support from wherever they can but they all do talk about wanting to go home. joshua let's pick up on a point which sammy mentioned that the beginning there and let's toss the question of does i saw reincarnate itself into some kind of guerrilla fighting force rather than a self-proclaimed caliphate. you know before i get that question let me just throw jump in here because this city of kolbein which is a kurdish city just north of iraq up is an example that city was taken back from

isis attacked it brutally and in two thousand and fourteen and the united states surrounded it and bombed it very severely in two thousand and fifteen destroying most of the city it's a city about two hundred thousand people forty thousand people have gone back there but they only have electricity intermittently perhaps two hours a day there are almost no services people are complaining like mad that they've been abandoned by the international community and this raises the question if you have one you know your phrase from iraq is who is in charge the united states has helped destroy and help arm the kurds to destroy these cities and drive out isis but the western powers have said they're not going to help syria reconstruct until assad is gone until there's a transition in power but who really want to handle that is this a model for more chaos than joshua well i think it is a model for more care because nobody knows who's in charge syrian government cannot

control iraq because it's not under its control so so who is going to rebuild this area is the united states going to stay with the kurds and help nation building mcgurk the head of the coalition has said no we will give aid to help people reestablish their lives in the beginning but we're leaving that's what he has said so this leaves a question mark hanging over this whole row shabaka area that's been carved out by the united states because clearly both erda one in turkey and assad in syria have said that they're not going to allow it to be a thomas the americans have said that they don't want. they believe that the the kurds should be able and that the whole region should be able to govern itself i think that america is going to get stuck in northern syria how much they will help to rebuild all it's not clear because they haven't rebuilt i mean yet they haven't put any funds in it you haven't heard trump talk about this in any way or the leaders of the american polish right so. this raises

a very important question i'll come back to you in a minute then with a question which i initially asked you about this is interesting sami now that are we going to see then is the vacuums have a nasty habit of getting filled though they are they going to be filled the vacuum if i'm following the joshua saying correctly here it sounds like we're saying there's a bit of a vacuum developing is there going to be filled by regional powers if the u.s. doesn't really have the interest in the appetite to fill it or is it going to be filled by some other reincarnation of some other eisel ask or al qaeda esque force that red you know that arises from the despair on the right a little aces like russia. i think both of them the regional power will stay at least for a while. namely iran and turkey i don't see even a seat in territory very soon. not russia and what's at stake in syria and iraq and.

iraq is very important for the american to repeat the same mistake of two thousand and eight a rapid withdrawal would. yes i agree with joshua that pressure is a position of the american and they want to engage in nation building but at some point they will be forced to now the second part of the question that resorting to isis or the irish i do believe that yes they will change strategy they will move into kind of. a style warfare because at the end of the day is not only a political military formation it's an ideology and as long as the reasons for the emergence of this ideology are not down to it i think that

this. it will continue its operation it will still be appealing. to a large chunk ok. for frustrated populations ok that's the interesting point let me let me quickly get a comment from joshua again before we go to sign the i do want to get funny in but joshua the whole idea of i saw and it's breakaway from the al qaeda elements was the idea that they wanted to establish an actual state or country or caliphate for themselves rather than the al qaida approach of guerrilla warfare until they bring down all the regimes in this area. if eisel heads back cole heads towards a more sort of guerrilla fighting force does it lose sort of resigned that's for its existence yes it does look that the isis capture the imagination of

the islamic world and the young radicals of the islamic world because precisely what we shouldn't be able to say to some young radical not the entire islamic world i think i think it would be fair to say that a lot of relief and then us tactics i mean quite the horror and absolutely the radicals who wanted to kill it who were attracted normally to al qaeda began to be attracted to isis because they were going to create the state and they did it in spectacular fashion they conquered an area the size of great britain in one year so it was spectacular now that it's being destroyed and dismantled in iraq and syria i think that it's going to it's going to create a real crisis for isis to reestablish an identity it's going to be very hard crisis to survive i think in syria in kurdish parts of syria or in iraq as a central government reasserts itself it'll be places like libya somalia and parts of africa where there is not strong central government that we're seeing that

recrudescence of isis group let's but that's that's going to be much harder for them to produce a new a new raise on debt as you say i think they're going to struggle so on it if this sort of process of perhaps fragmentation continues how's that going to impact the ability of aid agencies to try and fill the void and provide some services one assumes you can go all the way and provide constant electricity in places like the or else they would have had it by now right. yeah sure and those types of programs in terms of setting up and rebuilding the interest infrastructure isn't really the role of aid agencies were really concerned with the immediate impacts of the conflict on children as i mentioned the mental health of young children is of particular concern to us but also one of the most around the book groups we're finding in syria and specifically in this area is teenage boys who may be attracted

to isis whether for it illogical reasons or just just for economic reasons because joining isis and doing small errands for isis leaders is one way they can earn a little bit of money and support their alies so there's so many groups that are currently at risk in this area and that's what we're really focusing on trying to most wanted to leave those groups as well as doing the kind of a vicious circle if you can get some important basics going like electricity how do you get running clean water to help with malnutrition amongst children and so on and so forth. exactly so we are you know stressing that rocket needs to be rebuilt before anyone returns to it and we're trying to address immediate needs in the displaced camps as best we can that it's not a long term solution we need some stability for these families you know children

who have been living under isis control for the last four years don't know what it's like to have a normal childhood and that can only come where in their in a place where they're not afraid they're going to step on a line in mind where they can get back into a school and be productive and learn mean the number of children that just don't even know how to read and write is tragic you know so this is not syria that we know and so it's so important to or where it's going to be that's going to invest in rebuilding iraq and could i mean obvious other areas to do that but as we've heard from the panel that's easier said than done certainly if sammy if i saw is going to destined to become some kind of guerrilla force does that mean areas outside of syria now become more of a target they're going to free up their time to focus on other places but thickly perhaps in the west i think yes it would limit its operation to one

territory because the idea of centrally will be abolished and we are about to see or to witness another fighting maybe they will resort to that style of warfare that al qaida was i don't think meaning the north central meaning . they played ignore caliphate but trying to appropriate as a network and hitting the weak point of what they consider the enemy so i won't be surprised if there is a return to a card just tired of warfare. does that become joshua another vicious circle no if we see attacks expanding abroad that continues this cycle of dragging in. other armies and countries into conflicts around the muslim world yes it does and you know underlying this is the economic problems and the political problems of the

region and that's ultimately where a solution has to be found in growth jobs and good schooling and that's been the crisis in the middle east and so many of the arab spring countries are hanging on a threat and if you look at egypt you look at jordan with the refugee problem it is their systems are screened the schools are strained there aren't enough jobs and this leaves a lot of young people as as sami was saying that are available for recruitment from these radical organizations that ultimately it's through development education jobs right that that that that this is going to be cleared up and let's hope. that that will be the way forward and thank our guests because we are at a time says thank i guess very much sami now that sign you couche and joshua landis and thank you to four g. you can see the show again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com and

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them joined up and the top stories on al-jazeera clashes have broken out between the iraqi army and kurdish forces near kids cook the iraqi army is advancing on the city with state television saying that they've already retaken vast areas in the oil rich region the reuters news agency is quoting iraqi live ten and colonels saying the objective of the advances to take control of the k. one air base and oil fields waste of this city charles trafford has more from a bill in northern iraq. the iraqi military saying that this operation is being spearheaded by the ninth armored division the federal police and counterterrorism units they saying that the thousands of shia militias are very much in a supportive role we understand that this offensive is focused on oil fields to the north the west in the south of that oil rich city of kirkuk and also the k.

one a military base k. one military base was taken control of by kurdish peshmerga in two thousand and fourteen after the iraqi army fled and eisel offensive kirkuk is hugely important for the k r g and for the iraqi federal government is one of the two main oil producing areas of this country believed to have around four percent of the world's oil resources and it was taking control of by the peshmerga as i say after the iraqi army fled that are still offensive in two thousand and forty and it participated in the controversial referendum on future session from iraq last month's kurdish forces in and around that city have vowed to defend it to the last man we hear that the kurdish governor of kirkuk has called people in the cities are saying anybody with a weapon should defend the city prime minister about the seeming to try to calm the

situation by saying that the offensive was not aimed at the people of kirkuk and that they should cooperate with the iraqi military but a very worrying development it seems as if all diplomatic efforts have failed in the build up of those troops that we've seen towards peshmerga positions despite repeated dolls' by the iraqi army that they were going to move on into the city and retake these oil fields it seems very much as if that is happening now. kurdish leaders met earlier to discuss tension with iraq following last month's a session referendum they have rejected the iraqi government's demand to stop any push for independence. we are ready to start a dialogue with to solve problems between us we were just the use of weapons according to the iraqi constitution weapons can be used as a means to solve internal problems we hope that weapons will not be used in any areas including in kirkuk at least two hundred seventy six people have been killed

in the largest suicide bombing in somalia's history no one has claimed responsibility for the blast in mogadishu on saturday. the somalis and marched in mogadishu to voice their anger at the bombing some say they have lost faith in the state's ability to protect citizens the final soldiers began to root out the last i saw fighters in the northern syrian city of raka u.s. backed syrian opposition forces say almost all civilians in about two hundred seventy five eisel fighters have left iraq under a deal brokered by tribal leaders on saturday between two and three hundred mostly foreign fighters are still thought to be inside you know our government forces have retaken the town of meyer deen in eastern syria after intense fighting with i saw my dean had become a refuge for the armed group after it was forced out of several areas in syria and iraq the syrian army now controls several roads leading to i still controlled

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on the night of the twenty fifth of september twenty seventh the last bull fight took place at the moment a ring in barcelona. twenty fast on spectators from spain and

around the world witnessed the end of over six centuries of spanish history in the region a forgot that no new. on human rights campaigners had lobbied for decades to end the sport in the region and in july twenty seventh the catalan parliament voted by a narrow majority to bow to the band came into effect on the first of january twenty twelve. spain's top three matadors took part in this last show but bullfighting polarizes got along society. its opponents hailed the ban as a victory for on human rights but some also saw it as a symbolic rejection of central political power in madrid.

catalan separatists that found controversial expression in the independence referendum on the first of october twenty seventh to. back in twenty left bullfighting supporters believe the band took away any age old part of their culture. and they carried their matador heroes aloft in the streets of barcelona.

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