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this is the news hour live from doha in cutting up in the next sixty minutes chaos and the cattle on parliament as the opposition walks out demanding a secret vote on a declaration of independence. violence and low voter turnout in kenya's rebrand presidential election as virtually guaranteed victory the opposition says it is now the resistance movement. becomes the first country to leave the international criminal court. and the un says man maher has allowed it to resume food aid and rakhine state. there's been pretty chaotic scenes in the cattle on parliament in barcelona opposition parties walking out demands of a secret ballot to vote to proclaim and dependents from spain so the. senate and

madrid a separate saying they have at the same time been debating whether to grant the prime minister on a special power to sack the cattle on president and the regional government there headlining us president refused to hold early elections unless there were certain conditions that the central government agreed to they did not so speaking in the senate earlier or said that he planned elections in catalonia soon but i think you know what you know if you did nothing about it i mean. if the senate approves this the president of the spanish government will dissolve parliament and call elections within six months my aim is to call elections as soon as possible we also ask you to authorize the following decisions to remove from office of the president the deputy president and the cabinet members of the catalan government. so we have hoda abdel-hamid in madrid first let's go to andrew simmons and catalunya capital barcelona so andrew everything was leading to this moment of whether or not the

parliament and barcelona would specifically declare an independence leading up to this vote that is supposed to be happening and now there seems to be this breakdown about procedure about whether to have a secret ballot there's people walking out what what is happening now. well what's happening here is quite predictable really in that the opposition who are opposing this resolution are on a walkout so far the socialist party and the people's party of walked out we've just seen one vehicle drive off with members in the we can see spanish catalonian flags draped over the benches there has been a fierce passionate debate going on and there's a disorder really not of a violent nature but certainly of a verbal nature because this is history in the making this is colossal this is a resolution which will effectively declare secession and so when the vote takes

place and we're told now it's going to be a secret battle it's been a secret secret ballot battle might be a word politically but we are hearing that things are proceeding even though there is such an argument going on backstage and also front stage and we're going to be getting it will take time you'll have to bear with us we're going to be getting to the stage where the vote takes place what's happening now is that we're seeing m.p.'s address the situation. ok andrew so i think it's a great point that you made it seems a bit chaotic but so far simply of the verbal nature but how could possibly become a secret ballot at this point when this is going something that has been so public and people have been so passionate about and now this resistance to be public about where they stand on this. this is an extraordinary situation there are very varied viewpoints even though you would think it's

a simple yes or no to this situation but the situation is this that what is happening is in the terms of what druid has has laid out in very detailed terms of what the constitution lays out this is an illegal act going on so that is that is simple logic in. that some people are sensitive about being seen to be voting one way or the other and that will affect the result if it's a public ballot that's the thinking behind it that's the sort of briefing we've had but this is a last minute thing and we're not even sure at this stage whether it will be secret when it does take place right now we're seeing m.p.'s having their say on the resolution and what was also seeing let's get the camera to just pan over slightly what we're seeing is the most source arriving this talking going on people are working out how m.p.'s going to get how they're going to get out this bus is for it would appear. to actually get the socialists out

of the whole paula meant area and beyond that beyond parliament layer upon layer of security we have a very large demonstrations going on demonstrations that aren't in protest about what's going on here but in support of a declaration for secession a vote if you will for secession as far as the president goes we've not actually heard from him yet where we're expecting to at some point but the situation there is that a whole raft of measures have been before him in that legal challenges to article one five five and there's a helicopter above the spanish police above which always gets the crowds of demonstrators angry but picking up the point all these legal challenges of one

appeal to the supremes which hasn't really got legs at the moment which is actually challenging article one five five as not being legal in the way it's being interpreted is actually pranking crashing if you will of the articles of the part. so the legislation but what we're seeing now is a clear out really if you will a clear out of those who don't want anything to do with this vote whatsoever they do believe that it's legal they've said time and time again so enter let me let me ask you about this and i realize this this is fluid on this is procedural but if there's so many members of parliament that are walking out that want no parts of this will it actually be considered a legitimate vote if there aren't enough members of parliament who actually participate in this. well that's the key issue this is a parliament it was democratically elected it has a majority in favor of secession that's a fact it is a government it's

a regional government it may be devolved it may have powers outside of the central government's piles but the bottom line is that it is going to go ahead with this is something that kahless. house really pushed forward because he was expected to make a declaration or otherwise himself by addressing the nation that didn't take place and he said that he would leave it to parliament to decide so he isn't so much past the book as press that was quite explosive and it looks now as if it's going to detonate and deed in and a moment ago when we were listening and and to the proceedings andrew there was someone who actually used the word catastrophe when talking about this so let's actually listen in a little bit now to what's happening on the floor of parliament so they're taking a. bit of it looks like they're collecting ballots it's difficult to say we can say that they were having a bit of

a technical issue earlier with the voting but it looks as if the voting is going to proceed on the floor of the cattle on parliament a vote of whether or not to declare independence so we're going to keep an eye to that i'm going to bring into the conversation now hoda abdel-hamid who's actually in madrid and madrid where they have been having discussions and debates today because the prime minister mariano rajoy has asked for the authority hota the power to actually completely sack karla's push them on and the parliament in barcelona basically negating anything that happens there today so what is the latest that's happening in madrid. well the deliberations have been ongoing for the past five hours actually inside this building here this senate. started with. an hour.

because article. was written back in one nine hundred seventy. for example. have been ongoing. throughout the morning.

ok. the vote is happening. we had video. taking place in a paper ballot ballot. and barcelona so. go ahead. what. do. happen also here. article five and that should happen in the next hour or so but i mean if you listen

to the throughout the morning really everyone. including the. representative here in madrid. the only way forward really. have been. the only reason we're triggering article one. above the law. is that. the government. the way it's written is very broad without any kind of specifics. when i. need to be. clear. how far.

we will have that. vote actually happens and we have finally. the government. for example whether the parliament will be. earlier in the morning president the vice president and the regional government. has no right to discuss. anything that has to do. with the future leadership. now having very mind the fact that the. parliament. is voting for this independence vote change the position here in

mind also called for dissolving the parliament so far we do not have a confirmation of that ok hoda abdel-hamid standing by for us and madrid thank you let's let's cross back over now to andrew symonds who is live in barcelona where that voting is taking place and cattle on parliament so andrew when you hear things like we're bell again unconstitutional catastrophe those are the types of words that we have been hearing for quite some time in the language seems to be elevating when you have a vote a vote on whether or not you you want to secede is is there any sense that the people that are procession anticipated that it would go this far and in fact were prepared for what their plan would be at this moment came. well to some people this is a living nightmare especially those who fear economic effects and fear social dissent but to a very large number of people millions in fact this is

a dream what we're seeing here is history unfolding a dream unfolding what follows is holder was pointing out is the unknown and that is in the control of both madrid and the powers that be here but people people well how much say if they hadn't this well they voted for the m.p.'s who are in parliament now if they had a mandate they would argue and that is really where things stand right now all those m.p.'s are taking what they say is their democratic rights just as the opposition are saying it's their democratic right to get out of here and basically declare their position but this is an extraordinary situation if you look at the wide shot there it's quite ironic because the flag of an independent catalonia is nowhere in sight what you're seeing laid out on the benches is the flag of catalonia region and the spanish national flag left by the ruling party m.p.'s

and others who decided this socialists who are with them on this who also walked out let me bring in sonia dulls you may have seen it before welcome to the program sonia you're a political analyst of note and you have followed every single no can crowning here is this a revolution is this democratic procedure how would you describe it. calling it a revolution has man implications and i'd like to be cautious but definitely because it started from the beginning without permission of the state it is somehow of insurgency or somehow of a revolutionary movement we could definitely say we're seeing that the harder the state gets towards imposing the galatea and imposing the reason or the force not trying to negotiate or to dialogue not even negotiate but to understand what's happening they are definitely failing on that and and here we can see that the

movement just keeps growing and growing widening and widening and what today were saying is thousands of people going again back to the streets to support what is happening here for the rest of the spain is probably considered just an illegal terrible thing tell me this won't do you say to this move as we're seeing right now all these secret ballot papers going in as if they're voting in the election now they're m.p.'s surely the public should know which way their m.p.'s a vote it is very rare that it had this happens both undercut in parliament or the spanish one you listed as only being useful voting on moral issues such as on abortion or even voting for for building bullfighting events so it is very very few occasions where we use a secret ballot now it makes a bit of sense first as you just said to the audience it's because first many m.p.'s might face legal consequences and that is something we cannot just erase

from the center you know they are doing something that according to the present legal system and illegal so they might face some charges judiciary sked charges now the other thing as you were also and we've been explaining all this past week. neither of them none of the groups i would say it's absolutely hundred percent cohesive towards not independence they are bought towards the care. unilaterally today in this way so it looks like they are trying to make their m.p.'s feel comfortable voting on whether they feel more comfortable let me jump in here who's going to feel comfortable when we get a situation if madrid and it's very likely moves in with force potentially this could be well i'm not going to use objectives to inflame the situation but this could be really bad the situation is from arctic that's for sure it's terrible and i don't think anyone or very very few people wanted this situation to be like this

but it seems that at least the radical left. could feel more comfortable facing consequences of this decision because for them it actually compensates with having an independent country that's what they've been fighting for from the beginning and they said they feel comfortable facing any type of consequences even judiciary ones ok take us through what we're seeing right now which is the voting process go warm what's going to happen next is it going to be straight over to the electronic counter to see the result is how long will this go on and take some minutes because as you are saying it's a manual thing so the secretary of. the room will have to go one by one counting which are in favor and which against in a very basic system and once we have the results they will announce that. forward hypothetically because this government it is a coalition but it's a minority government and it has the support of the c o p the far left parties.

bankers not. in the sense that it will declare it will declare secession because see you p.r. for independence the only exceptions you might see actually are from inside the government party which some of the people did not want to vote in this way now you're on board because that. might explain why. we had these false alarms about a deal with madrid but with the basques still involved worldwide up to the very last minute still potentially involved now we are trying to. somehow moderate somehow mediate and then we had to. push them all sort of call off the news. months and then a few hours later come back saying he was basically doing nothing and i'm going to here so what's the rationale behind all of that well as you just mentioned i think jim on has been struggling betraying powers inside his party not so much with the

radical left or the left coalition that he rules with which is our say those two parties are definitely more cohesive in terms of going ahead with independence no matter what but it was inside the ruling government which is kind of split amongst party thought he still had some people there were more cautious they were please try to the end to find a negotiated solution because we do not want to go unilaterally so the real struggle has been inside his party not with the coalition troops they have been claiming that the way they were not aware as extraordinary as there is a ruling party yet and here we have a declaration about to happen that is not only historic but potentially catastrophic for people but what about the people out there who don't want this who voted in the right way in the last elections twenty fifteen they voted for their parties did they really expect this to happen and how do you think they will

respond so i thing anymore the right person or in particular those of us who work in conflicts and an analysis no one wants to see a society that is divided not feeling represented by its own politicians so the fog than what the parliament is hiding here today might have really strong consequences without having the whole society supporting you i think it's so dangerous i'm not. we don't want to be. intimating anything just just sitting here now and counting the votes we can see them counts and we can hear them counting we're going to get a result at the end of this and it's going to take a while so i got a pop in another question while i do that count on an extraordinary scene. i don't ask you the player now because bush tomorrow the president couldn't be arrested what will happen how do you think this could play i know we're in the realms of speculation but you as part of your portfolio have security up there quite

considerably. you know about the security system here how will that play out will the regional police do what they did in the referendum and to face the goddess of you know the civil also the national police will they act in defense of this decision as police or will they take orders from madrid for this for this. police have been repeatedly insisting and the fact that they will fall or there is if they come from. an institution and that included madrid but they said they would follow up to the place where they would feel uncomfortable with the over there which is again a bit not clear and. you can hear the helicopters and you've seen the whole security protocol and we can see those protesters outside. but the spanish police

could enter here directly today but not so difficult that once outside the parliament facilities he gets arrested i would not decline possibility well not only him but the whole cabinet and then we so we have a rest so we have a situation where a parliament has taken what the spanish government is going to describe as the go outrageous action so if this parliament is. is really in place in food regional legal. rights then we should have a security force so all we in a situation where we could potentially have some force defended them such as the muscles to defend their decision it's difficult really to just guess but it looks like first they need a judiciary or they're from a trade saying like judiciary or they're off a rest to then proceed and rest the government and then they would need to either take control in a very authoritarian way which i don't think europe is ready to understand and to

support or call for elections but immediate elections otherwise all the other possibilities i think the international community are not going to constitutional law point here so state law says this is so if you broke that ballot box open right now and look to all of those who voted in favor this was they are culpable for a crime not not not an offense and a civil war but on the criminal law i'm told by some experts i know but experts are not agreeing even in this right now with all this past week what we're saying is the professor says if into of law so my saying it would be having a low but others are saying it would be administered to flow which is obviously. very much slower sentences and not even going to jail so because the judiciary and government not. the judges themselves which are in the pendant but the judiciary body is elected by politicians then again it's part of the

political game and that's where many are claiming the traditionally body the spanish one is not being in the pendant any more so again it's politics ok so. he's saying he's arrested say the ministers are taken out then what happens there we've yet to have the full details i know from madrid but you might then have political power. political control over the. regional police you may have control imposed like martial law to clear the corrosion of emergency i know it's that we're rushing through speculation here but it's all pretty educated guesswork and i thought it was the position because of two decorated martial law you just want to go through parliament and sign it and we've just seen today in madrid can do that because they are having the support of the socialist party and the citizens

so they do have the majority to declare a state or martial law right that said i think the state would really have a problem in catalonia because we would be speaking about a whole population that even if they are not going to plan and they would race to say this is not what we want this is not the state we want and we do not want the democratically elected people being arrested and our whole out front of me just being taken away so what can come here could be even worse we can still see like citizens uprisings and kind of very very dramatic decision even for muslims no one knows what they will do but definitely fighting against citizens again not nice where we're seeing here the whole proceedings perhaps moving. just looking thing is a pretty large the ladies going through should we have to listen in here. people as you reach are i can't and too blunt.

thank . you. so we did not get the final vote count and there were several members who walked out of the parliament in barcelona but it's clear by their it's clear by the reaction that we are seeing and hearing that the vote is in favor of secession in favor of declaring independence. from spain so that is the reaction that you are saying on getting the final count now it was seventy two yes votes and ten no votes and two blank so seventy two yes ten no two blank keeping in mind that there were several members of parliament who actually walked out and abstained from

voting but the overwhelming majority is seventy two yes and the news obviously trickled out to the crowds you can tell by the reaction there i'm sure that the air reaction will continue to reverberate so bat's what's happening in barcelona and just to remind you what has been happening in madrid throughout the day is the prime minister. mariano rajoy approach to parliament and rid asking for the power to actually basically nala fi anything that is happening and barcelona today making his case for that so obviously the two are clearly on a collision course it remains to be seen how this is going to play out but this is quite a moment actually that we're saying and as you can hear the crowd. is singing and quite salvatore about what this vote has been our interest simmons has been covering this for quite some time he is in barcelona now and andrew are you there.

i certainly am in there extraordinary scenes all the crackers going off having a. massive celebration going on this is an area just about. two three thousand meters from where i am right now outside the parliament they've been those crowds have been gathering over the three four hours mix of people not just students to a very very big on the ground. this day now you see masses of people all celebrating this secession now. this amounts to is a visual display. a verbal display on the streets which is quite choreographed in a sense because all of the pros the session parties how to encourage people to come out and demonstrate and support what was going on and you've heard that figure of seventy it is a resoundingly majority even though we've had opposition figures storm out in

a very public way it's still walls a certainty that there would be a majority and that's the way that the mathematics lined up in the last election because these people were quite straightforward about where they stood on secession there was only one party really that's that's divided. is actually a combination of left wing and center left figures that we're not sure what their votes comprised in the count but certainly not all of it is from the actual ruling coalition but really well now we're really trying to figure out richelle is is how particle one five five is going to be laid out on the ground. is in the process of doing that it's a certainty it will be become law now there are so many questions that abound

what about. the president of. a walk will he do will he go into hiding highly unlikely will he try to stay in his post of government in the center barcelona with his ministers and with his civil servants will he be physically removed arrested will the whole cabinet be arrested it's unclear he is certainly being accused of many things. a spanish prime minister who when he introduced article one hundred five in a process that. headed for the senate didn't even mention the the president of cuts alone by name so what is going to happen next is unclear one thing is certain and that is the mood of defiance it's fictive lee. legitimize

to defiance in the sense that apollo much has broken the law in doing this in session you've got here in spain the most decentralized one of the most decent allies countries in the world seventeen regions all with various degrees of all told to me under calls now we have this something that to with the spanish government is that it will never have a tolerates michel an answer ever manes to be seen actually just how this is going to play out over the next few hours is the word spreads how this vote has gone if the crowds will indeed get larger because when you speak about that defiance if you go back to when this referendum actually happened a few weeks ago what seemed to sort of galvanize the newman andrew is the way that the police reacted to people that were casting their votes that day so if there's a lot on the line here for i think how these crowds are managed how their emotion is managed because this is obviously

a very emotional moment this is something that that some people have been wanting for quite some time and actually never thought that this day would come so clearly what we're saying now there are people are stay out in song there are fireworks and again i anticipate we can probably likely anticipate that the crowd will gather but there are still so many questions about how madrid and the prime minister are horrible actually respond to this he has spent the day he has spent the day of parliament and and madrid actually just asking for permission to to handle the situation as he sees fit which would basically be to dissolve. women and fat karla's puts them on who you just saw there and leaving parliament but the word that we're getting now is in the immediate aftermath of this prime minister oya simply asked for calm at the very least so that this moment that so many people wanted and others didn't now that it's actually happening. there are

a lot of issues that are going to have to be addressed but in the immediate see immediate moment what the prime minister is asking for is a simply calm and so andrew what what is what's happening there were you are or how how close are you actually to the crowds i know that you can hear them. well i can hear them from the hip i can't see them and you've got a range of passions here you go to elation and disbelief that this moment has happened and evil so you've got a fear i don't dare lying fear among some of the people celebrating it has to be said and it's important to point out it's who you're not seeing that's one of them big missing aspects of this whole story because there are millions in catalonia who don't want this to happen who really don't and they know all the right wing unionists they're people who just simply don't believe in independence they like their culture they love their own language that catalan through and through but

they don't believe in independence and they feel that secession is the wrong thing they want to be catalan first and spaniards second now what are they saying what is their vehicle of expression well they have their own pays a lot of those have walked out that so that is really one of the real aspects that you can't put in three d. you can't put it in h.d. for that matter you can't cover it because they don't want to speak subset that's not surprising but those who do want to speak. may in the main union is very vocal and often quite right wing or indeed as some of the extreme left as well but what you're getting. now. is. go between a country. visualized on t.v. news but developing as i speak because this decision will resonate will resonate not just to get the lumia but right across spain and to deed the european union as

well because the european union is a major player in all of this and the so and so and you know it hasn't intervened to enter to that point i'm glad you brought us there actually because the european commission right now is declining comment right now on this about obviously at some point they will have to say something but in me and media aftermath of the referendum vote a few weeks ago there wasn't a whole lot that was coming out of the other countries in europe if only if and if they did or something it was simply a reference to the rule of law the rule of law this vote is unconstitutional but now that this is actually happened the european commission has has declined to comment because this is quite an unusual situation that is happen and when you say that there are people better i mean very passionate about this have wanted this and of course others who haven't has there been discussion about what the actual ramifications would be the people that are process session has there been any any

discussion about what it is they they actually want the effect that this could have on their qana me how they would exactly how they would actually exist as something being completely separate from spain. will there are a lot of people i mean i spoke to warm a member of one of the alliance groups and he started off as a young man voting socialist he didn't believe in secession just give you an example of of warm trial you know he is a software operator he is an intelligent articulate young man and he was telling me that as far as he was. the way this had been handled the way the government had and also retiring way made mention that he felt yes i should focus procession parties because where all we now it's just going to fall however on the other hand he

thought that well business is going to be devastated by this move and when you look at all the indicators right now well we've had this sort of. business with bricks at you know all these figures coming up and being messed around and i'm portrayed as either for or against a political move but the bottom line is that the spanish growth forecast for twenty eighteen has already been lowered because of unrest here and we're also seeing toryism affected one agency is reporting that fifteen percent loss is is happened since the october the first referendum we're also seeing would you believe sixteen hundred companies already shifting their minister and minister to headquarters outside of cuts aluna because the european union doesn't want anything to one thousand six hundred. they have not physically removed themselves are sure

they've shifted registrations and what's more you're getting the banks doing that as well the banks are still here but the national banks they don't want any registration here otherwise they'll have complications with the european union the european union has indicated that they you or i will no longer be a valid currency here if there is secession and we're not let's remind ourselves we're not seen break away yet we have a decision but we don't have an actual result in the terms of what the national government so who knows you know you may find the coming hours might might mean that if there were there was a fast moving. situation that puts things in a totally different place but now we are saying a while back in the unknown it's i wouldn't use the term dark but was certainly in the unknown and we're not sure where this is. of course events often dictate history and that's the worrying aspect you know what is going to happen on the

streets what will happen when the security forces all ordered one way or the other particularly if they are ordered to break up demonstrations. that's the most use which is the regional police force seventeen thousand offices a big force a regional police force the one you mentioned which stood between the national police and the crowds defended the crowd small say crowds they were elect actually voting in a in a referendum they defended that they made sure it happened but what will they do will they obey orders will they actually take that the way we know that the top brass of the most are going to be fired we know that they're going to be controlled well politically effectively with a small piece by different commissioner and a different range of chief offices but one of those individual office is going to do it by no means all in favor of secession is

a split down the middle of the certainly a split among so forth and so what are they all going to do some going to resign some going to get charged some going to take their own actions at the end of the day the spokesman for that federation said categorically that all professional police officers they've got a good record they handled the terror attacks recently in a very exemplary way they were heroes to the people in the way that they acted and they are they are people who will always do the right thing well we will see that what happens there how will that how would it be for example if there was a move now i can't. all of these protests as we're seeing to try to move them in in a certain direction or whatever where with the most is standard if they were ordered by the true break this up now with force what would happen well i can only hazard a guess but that based on the actions of the past who knows it will be

a situation whereby they may become effectively supportive of what they may regard as a democratic decision here in the parliament the regional parliament. so let's remind people and andrew we're going to bring hoda into this is well this vote that has just happened seventy and favor ten no two blank votes this vote to actually declare and dependents from spain madrid views what happened as a crime as rebellion as something that is either legal but something that they knew was likely coming so let's go to hota who is in madrid where the parliament in madrid spent the day deciding whether or not to give the prime minister more out of the hallway the authority to actually basically fire them on and dissolve the

parliament and cataloging where this vote just happened so hota clearly they knew that this moment was potentially coming is there a sense that madrid has a plan of what to do now. well the plan is really triggering article. five now the deliberations are still going on. from what we've heard throughout the morning from the different speakers is that you have the government does have the backing of the various political parties here and i think. those positions have hardened ever so over the past few hours when it became clear that the. government. was going to vote for independence actually. prime minister has been going in and out of the chamber and following closely on television. unfolding.

the only thing we heard from him. and happened in barcelona through a treaty called. spanish people to remain calm and he said the. back in catalonia very shortly we understand we expect to hear from him once more before the senate goes ahead with voting for this bill that should happen any moment now. that could be because the prime minister here wanted to see what was happening in barcelona before going ahead with the vote here you know article one five five very broad and basically gives a prime minister kind of power. political move the way of military force now we heard over the past two days actually over the past week actually what they were planning to do once they triggered article one.

government removing the president and the vice president. they wanted to take control. of the regional public that they had stopped short of that after the social socialist party here in madrid. to step back from that however there was always that idea that if the authorities. had called for elections then that would be a way out of article one five five and even a way to reverse one five five after. being triggered now it seems that that option is not on the table anymore so we'll have to listen and hear to hear from prime minister the point once more you know if those steps and measures that will be taken as soon as the article one five five is triggered a remain the same as he added more steps to it if the time frame remains the same

for example we hear that we were. supposed to meet tomorrow saturday draft of the bill now we are hearing is still not good for that it actually made my meet as early as this evening about. fifteen seventeen hundred g.m.t. so this is you get a sense that the government here now is trying to go as quickly as possible to catch up and after that meeting of the cabinet well then at least from the madrid point of view prime minister will be in charge of catalonia ok hota stand by live for us there in madrid let's bring someone else into this discussion now francisco de boer at the european council on foreign relations right now he joins us on skype from the hague as we continue to also dip into these pictures of the crowds in barcelona reacting to this vote so let me get your reaction to this vote. count on

parliament seem to be on this path for quite some time but now that this vote for independence is actually happened what is your reaction to this. it is a ruby. dition of the settlements that we saw early september they got a number of them and with the suspension as majority that has now wait for thin majority of seats for a number of votes went forward the so-called disconnection laws that included to a simple referendum and on the broken mission of five got on a republic and this is what we've seen there today because if you look at the got the environment you will notice the fact that the bar element is called n.t. and is confident it because their position in bloc didn't want to take part in this vote and also there were some of those who took part and voted no so you have seventy and these out of one hundred thirty five which is a simple majority i personally believe this is hardly hardly democratic and this is certainly at the root of the current crisis and is really bad for for about dylan and for catalogue it was only plain that explain that what you mean that this is at

the root of the crisis how so yeah because there is support for independence and got the lonia holders their own forty percent thirty eight percent according to some experts but is true that these decisions and you're a majority know that unlike scenes in poland right now so at this point were seen is rather down the river in the we've seen a plebiscite tailor mostly for these decision is and receiving how wafer thin majority takes decisions without the numbers needed to even change they got on and started with autonomy for which you need two thirds so we are heading for very tough times there will have to legalities this new legality and the other part of got the money that was stick to the to the current low dollar eighty you describe the i believe if i heard you correctly you use the word sad when you were talking about the referendum that happened a few weeks ago what about it saturday why did you describe it that way. well

because this was never this was never there was no intention to out of group or refer and. didn't as a resident of some kind of couple of his or as the lefties leave their to do to got their own parliament mention the school be ill mobilization but i'm a listening for decision is going that is truly mobilize so unless you have significant majorities and an agreed upon river and the most don't think this is a service to the motor city because we're seeing the imposition all the proof earns wealth a big part of the electorate and not a majority on the rest all they've got on public and this is where you see their content in parliament semite and. the some of the people that are pro secession do you think. that they have anticipated or tried to think of what the ramifications would actually be of this and dependence and

let's just say if they were granted independence has there been a really truly healthy robust discussion about how catalonia would even exist separately from spain. this is a very good discussion very good question because it does remind me a lot of bricks it were by you had a simple and very compelling message take back control that at some point to silence a reason and silence the pros and cons of having going don't we and you've got the only other one thing that was not discussed during the socal referendum was independence and as you saw in the reform there was no no company because the opposition didn't declare it a there so there's been a confluence of grievances fiscal grievances with the big sure enough perfect country denmark stole that i think the thirteen hundred roughly companies that have left got the money and will not agree with so i'm afraid to do it in two or so a shock in the bend this will not happen. and we will we will see an employee

retirement of only take census not the got the money and which is very front or no i actually want to add something to what you just said francisco we're talking about the the companies that are already saying that they may move out of catalonia we're also hearing that bank shares are falling as well so there is already seems to be a financial and economic impact from what has happened here said the spanish prime minister mariano rajoy actually tweeted i asked for calm from all spaniards the rule of law will restore legality in catalonia francisco what what when prime minister who i assume will speak will address the public at some point today what can he what does he what should he say. well. i'm not i don't think i'm entitled to say what i say but i think it's it's important to say that we should all stay calm that it's important not to school late and it's important to to restore common sense and it got to this to have this fantastic term

samia which means common sense and common sense has been insisted upon by the main cut down amid tauriel as the main business leaders that you shouldn't go to war with you know not during the pendency and really hoping that we can be scholarly but at this point i don't see any alternatives to some of litigation of article one hundred fifty five by the way it doesn't include authority to military force as you are my previous history in discussions that there is no actually i thought is not and no there is no it is not on the table there are measures to restrict the the political autonomy but not not just started now they're gone but this is what they want and what we think we all want is the elections we've got alone we have to even up this question and start proper negotiations so what what has. what has happened at least according to those in madrid is is that

a legal vote right this is an illegal thing that they have to write a sham what you're saying that you know one fifty five doesn't authorize any type of military action but could there still can you envision a moment still war karla's push them out what actually be arrested. yes just one clarity is not only so good between brackets imagery the lawyer said they got done in parliament of war no good and that they shouldn't go for this vote because contrary to gatorland parliamentary rules first and foremost do they got on a study of autonomy into this and its constitution so we see they're already in row sure of all the of the got done and started to rules as well no i don't want to speculate on. these worst case scenario really interact force we will see though. i'm afraid we will see though. nurse the big cheers because you need to understand what these specific branch of suspicion is and want it's confrontation and they need to confront they should do their supporting got only had claimed that it would

explain that a little more you're saying that they pushed and pushed and pushed and this is what they wanted to happen this type of dramatic situation is that what you're saying. it is exactly this thirty two behind and it consists of putting the state there going to the wall on conditions that they know very well that russia cannot accept the you know after independence of thought the lonia prayer to course the different form etc so eview if you push things up and you branded under the luck of the madrid the return from good cetera. you sort of his collision the ninety's your base mobilized and this is where you see growth around the continent barnum and other did belong to the got the national assembly the cheese sorry for the comparison balloon related tea party in the republican party this is not the tradition got alone they sent this is a more hardline version of that got the longest and who are what is in

a position to. to tamp this down to escalate this if it is that somebody from the european commission which at this point they're not they're not commenting as or somebody from the outside who is in a position to take get everybody to remain calm. well it depends it depends how you frame it there's been. there's been demonstrated personally to. them and or negotiations in the last few weeks but they've been ruled out you have to the regional premier from my own region the bus country appealing to to the. premier not to go who are you noted in the question of independence they need to understand that there's a high level of populism in the movement now so they i mean they will be trounced if the don't before with wi fi independence and us as regards history the asian i

think it will be extremely damaging and i think that when they used to you know bujold be reminding everyone. of all the rule certainly which in this case of course edition of three words rule of law and political system and both of disputes and i refer to the speech of the beauty president of the commission france demands of the moment of three weeks ago but we need but i think really with some other people driving the movement of fruit. research at this point it doesn't work so we will really need elections and new negotiations yes francisco could all of this have been prevented at some point. this is something that it's these guys now are in in spain there's a lot of criticism of government of prime minister a whole array. of the political level for you know have been weak to you know way to do to provide as

a bouncer but i'm not sure this could have been prevented their way it is actually happening where you have a regional government full in control of t.v. polices the two shoes of the patients the tra label in your opponent as the nemeses friend good cetera. so that is very hard to do to have a proper discussion on constitutional reform is on the table it was broached at the spanish parliament two weeks ago up on request from the socialist party there is that the rhetorical mission but if the surgeon is don't want to go to the commission those the moment has been asked to go to the senate just that he displaying his most rejected it us has to go to the parliament he rejected it so that's it's very difficult to have out there look if there's no no willingness to use this to do shows which is why any mediator will remind the british to go back two years to do sions so this right now at this point i know there's been a lot of talk of the rule of law right but this really what's more seems to boil

down to a political and emotional issue at this point it would you say that. no i mean i don't want you to distinguish i know this is the perception but i don't do the singer's rule no because we're talking about basic rights and political rights is a certain position and i don't want to appeal to the constitutional court for infringement of basic rights and the list goes on honestly didn't get they're going to refer to i didn't see their status change i don't want to this because the rule of law and politics rule of law is this really believe it goes to chile in a democracy means that we can change the constitution i personally think that we should change the situation but it needs concessions from all sides and at peace point my criticism and i have to be very frank old girl exclusion on us but i don't want your independence even if it doesn't represent the majority of the lonely and so that's a very that's going to approach i think for negotiation francisco it's really been

great to have your voice and your insight on this so stay close we're going to keep covering this we're going to come back to you francisco de borussia flechette us at the european council on foreign relations a really fantastic and put there francisco thank you so what is happening now let's reset the table catalan is parliament has declared independence from spain the vote fell this way seventy in favor ten against and there were many m.p.'s who actually walked out in did not that there are people celebrating right now and the streets of barcelona but as we said there were m.p.'s who demanded a secret ballots and the did not want to participate they had let so the senate in madrid at this point has at the same time been debating whether to grant the prime minister mariano rajoy special powers to sack the cattle on president to sack the regional government that just voted for.