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accept otherwise there will be no peace in the region and worldwide without. condemning donald trump's jerusalem live palestinian president mahmoud abbas makes his position clear at a meeting of muslim leaders and stumble. and i may call out this is al jazeera live from doha also coming up in the program the threat of on groups in west africa regional leaders are in paris for talks on how to respond to attacks in the region. plus the philippine congress votes to extend that martial law on the southern island of mindanao. for president trump after his favorite candidate roy moore loses the alabama senate race to his democratic.
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so talk he says the world must recognize east jerusalem as the capital of a palestinian state the turkish president recip top to an address leaders at an extraordinary meeting in istanbul he condemned the u.s. decision to recognize jerusalem as the capital of israel as an acceptable he describes the united states as a strong nation but said it did not mean it could bully the rest of the world. stymie kill it although i would like to call all nations around the globe to respect international law to rise up and recognize jerusalem as the occupied capital city of the state of palestine we will never give up on our demand for a free and sovereign palestinian state the capital of which is jerusalem and as islamic countries we condemn the violence of israeli soldiers because of the our palestinian brothers and sisters protesting the latest. of the united states and the palestinian president echoed sentiments mahmoud abbas branded it trumps move as
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the greatest croy. all muslims all christians both in our region and across the world are in support to defend. and preserve it against the conspiracies are being played to alter its nature and character particularly those american recent decisions that are in full violation of international law and defiance of feelings of both muslims and christians worldwide. well this extraordinary meeting comes almost a week of the donald trump's announcement that sparked protests across the world king abdullah of jordan says his country rejects any attempt to change the status quo of jerusalem and its holy sites in all violence as a result of a failure to find a peaceful solution to the palestinian cause there is no chance for our region to enjoy a comprehensive peace without a solution to the palestinian israeli conflict let's talk was one of a duo who joins us from istanbul who has been following events there is the
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speakers have been sending their messages out across the world and we have it it's a unified front. so far yes nic they have shown a unified front and also they moved across all those teeth and smeared by those various leaders schools one of anger anger at the united states the collaboration of genocide in us their capital of is that our. president would up us one of this from the statements and he said they do more to recognize the united states as a mediator or honest broker in the middle east peace process i don't know who started the whole tirade against the united states also say that there must be a unified front with in the islamic world to what he calls an illegal by donald
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trump and it is dr unity we've got is being sold to here at this summit. from one. of his paws is what president of the current leader of the organization of islamic council is looking for how he faces an uphill task most of these countries are not reading from the same script from the level of participation is that you can understand how serious some countries the for. view the for example so that everyone has sent its religious affairs minister something out of the c.s.a. just shows that he doesn't see these as a very important issue also. i mean it's also say that there are countries that have very close relationship not only with israel but also the united states who would not want to risk the three national shift by going beyond that a total of position to the declaration by donald trump. and mohammed so what happens
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who else are we going to be hearing from and what are they actually hoping to achieve at the end of the day they can reach some kind of a stumble declaration. well actually we were surprised to see president rouhani speaking because he wasn't listed on the order of things here on the program here at the summit of course they have gone into a private discussion they are not going to be more speeches what we are going to wait for is the final communique which is going to be released according to the organizers about thirteen g. in about. less than a couple of hours and from that we would know whether they all had fruitful discussions on within the islamic world they now come on response but as present i don't say it is not just empty words that he needs he say yes any blocking any of
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these come on. response that he seeking has to be back with action. all right that's a picture of some bold muhammad let's speak to the habit he joins us from ramallah in the occupied west bank and this is a thing holder isn't it we have this common response from the islamic world but what happens next. well i think that's also the point of view of people here. who ever used to talk to were. tired and fatigued with statements and meetings and summits and coleman and leaders standing united but then it translates often into nothing more on the ground i mean people here certainly would appreciate this speech of mahmoud abbas more than his words just a week ago just after the announcement of donald trump but i think they will hold
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him accountable and they will still see many of the points he said translated into action for example he said that they would the police you know authority would not commit any more to the courts in israel doesn't do that either while he would palestinians would like to see that happening sooner rather than later because they have been saying for years that these accords were void date for them that the yield anything and that basically it was an agreement that helped israel expand and cement itself in the occupied west bank with settlements for example rather than anything positive coming out for do palestinians president mahmoud abbas is under a lot of pressure it's clear from his speech that he wants to garner as much international support as possible he actually called the ball upon older nations of the world who believe in the two state solution to recognize the state of israel sooner rather than later one hundred thirty eight states have already done that but
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he wants to have more on board there is a bid to try to isolate do united states on this specific issue he is strong of the fact that for example european countries among others are not very happy for the simple idea that the united states went against all you and resolutions certainly called for the status quo in jerusalem until a final status. we meant was reach so all of that has been reached the red line that the palestinians have heard about so many times where also that has been crossed and certainly it is a very difficult position and it is a time for the palestinian authority to really now find a different way they have expressed their frustration that says the anger they have expressed the fact that they will depart from the formula that has been going on on and on for the past two decades around a peace process but people would like to hear details about what exactly will
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happen. thanks very much indeed reporting these pictures in bethlehem where there have been some scuffles reported there is a change in the region still quite high after everything that's been going on also been hearing of some protests in ramallah you can see the pool of smoke possibly in front of the camera so disliked being set on fire and no doubt lots of protesters behind that smoke you can see through the security forces will not be very far away but speak tomorrow in kabul and he joins us on set he's the director of policy analysis institute for graduate studies imo and this is the thing is that we've had condemnation for many many years we've had red lines crossed before and this apparently is the ultimate red line. what can the palestinian authority do to take this on. and i think yes we still need to see actions accompanying the very
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strong words we have been hearing from muslim leaders over the couple of weeks since the president announced. actually did guys just see them as a capital of is about you but i think what we are witnessing is important in my view number one is not. we have and the reaction from the arab and islamic or even develop strong words we have been hitting actually we he did not. i may have expected them to been strong but actually the reaction on the street although we're seeing some some tensions flare up again though it hasn't been as much as one might have anticipated right about this but i think this is a very this is an ongoing. sort of process too that will build up in my opinion as the leaders of the islamic and arab world will be reacting to the decision of president tom we are expecting. an arab summit maybe in jordan sometime
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this week or next week after the summit of the islamic organization in in istanbul but what i was trying actually to see is that. to me the administration may have underestimated the reaction although we are still in the stage of condemnation and using rhetoric and very strong words but i think there are some muslim leaders that are trying to show some sort of leadership here we have been hearing from the president of the gun for the past few few days actually had been hearing very strong words from him and this is was a very good opportunity i think for him to shore to shore leadership in this particular case because as you see them and this is that important point here that although the ops the arabs and muslims are so divided over so many issues but the one issue that bring them really together and unite them is jerusalem and we have been seeing this actually in the summit and we have been seeing this on the popular level and we have seen even seeing this on so many levels in fact that this is
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a very important point in my opinion we will be seeing also or i mean this is also important we be seeing some arab and muslim leaders using the question of palestine the question of jerusalem in order to score some political points against their opponents within the same region who have been hitting blows until honey talking about this today in the summit and i think this is why. leaders will be trying to also have their own summit as a reaction to the summit which has been called to the by a president in istanbul so we have been hearing we have been seeing this sort of competition on the leadership in the arab and the muslim world and we are seeing also the you that the exploitation the political exploitation of this question actually in order to show this leadership in the region mahmoud abbas was very vehement in saying that they will not know it here to any agreements with israel from from all slow to right now and that poses this question what will happen if
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the palestinian president decides to cut security ties like a written agreement with i think this is what palestinians and arabs i mean i'm talking about the people of the arab world i'm not talking about governments force or jeans in the arab world this is what we are expecting for mahmoud abbas actually to to do next this is the sort of action that we are expecting him to do cutting all sorts of security ties with and if he does that what does it actually mean what would that actually mean physically on the ground for it will mean actually that there would be no more cooperation between the palestinian authority on one hand and the forces on the on the other hand because the. the the purpose the very purpose of the establishment of the palestinian authority from the very beginning was actually to control the palestinian masses you remember the fierce palestinian intifada from one nine hundred eighty seven to nine hundred ninety three then the peace process came the establishment of the palestinian authority
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and the main actually purpose of the establishment of the policy already was to control the palestinian masses palestinian authority sees to cooperate as in terms of security with is likely a clue bishan i think that will be giving the ammunition for the policy and maybe to start another intifada and that is something a very important in my opinion there is another thing which is which is which is a really important here for the palestinian authority to do that. it will it can see actually that the beast process is now completely dead and as president said in the summit today that he doesn't recognize the united states as a failed mediator in this in this peace process that is another important issue if the palestinian authority sees to it in terms of the peace process of the palestinian authority cease to call bit in terms of security coordination with the is that it is and if the obvious states actually withdraw at the end of this initiative you know about the all of this initiative which was declared in beirut
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in two thousand and two and the obs they put it forward and they were they were offering is about a full recognition if accepts the establishment of a palestinian state if we withdraw that initiative i think that would be another blow for there is the ease and for the efforts what the united states is trying to make actually in order to revive the peace process in. between the israelis and the policy is working well as we talk and we can see that. the protests are still going on with great holes of smoke probably coming from burning rubber tires as protesters there are throwing stones in the direction of israeli security forces also a certain amount of tension ongoing in bethlehem. the fact is most. palestinians in the west bank and sick and tired of the situation there is no freedom of movement it makes life very difficult for them what will it take for things to change i think if the authority decides to as we said to seize the sort of scale to
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cooperation with the israelis and to give this sort of at the margin of freedom for the palestinians to express themselves to protest and maybe to start in about the two thousand intifada about the father of two thousand was in fact started by the policy never thought of it was started by yasser arafat that is that is a new this but he will be punished for that actually so the palestinian authority can actually start the sort of popular movement in the. in order to put pressure on there is about release on the international community in order to change the status quo that exists right now in the palestinian territories in a way this is not just playing to israel's hurt it's because if such actions are taken in able them to be even more authoritarian some people would say well i think there is no use they have actually they have they have guns they have used actually force to the limits that we don't expect a. protest if
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a peaceful palestinian intifada sauce today in order to. notify the decision which was taken by president trump i would say that there is a lot is what because this is different from gaza this is different from the confrontation with hamas it is they cannot actually accuse a palestinian authority of being some sort of extremist because we have been dealing with the palestinian authority for the past fifteen twenty years. and it's very difficult for the israelis to use the sort of force they use in gaza in two thousand and eight two thousand and nine or in two thousand to two thousand and fourteen i think there is a will be. in my opinion thinking many many times before using the sort of force they used in gaza so i think if we use a peaceful protest if we start this movement in order to. rebuild the decision of the administration in order to force that to respect the rights of the
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palestinians i think the consequences here are not going to be. i think the consequences for the israelis would be dire but for the authority that is. the best option right now to take in order to defend the rights of the palestinians the moment about also the personal president also said that united states has chosen to lose its competency as a mediator and will lose its role in the peace process we shall not accept any role for the united states in the peace process. on the other hand you have president trump and you're always vaunting this ultimate deal as they called it supposedly in the pipeline and will be revealed next year if and when such a proposal comes forward from the united states what will happen to it if the palestinians are prepared to negotiate first there will be no deal without a palestinian partner i mean this is i mean this is the strongest point that. can hold true. so if he threatens that he will not be part of any sort of peace process
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if he's not he's not going to be in this. vision i think that it will be no deal this is why we believe that the weakest side in this equation might also be moved to be the strongest one because of course you can all sort of brush up on me you can actually sort of decisions against me but you cannot actually have this process without me so it's it's me who is going to legitimize your efforts in order to build peace in this in this region or to solve this almost seventy years or conflict now so this is maybe if the if the palestinians of the palestinian authority a blade discard. i think they can they can get the things. changed somehow and they can put the pressure to sort of pressure on the common mistake because don't forget after all the administration is presenting itself. as
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the one which can actually solve this conflict so many u.s. administration couldn't do it and this administration this is what is giving the impression about this administration will be succeeding in resolving this conflict you cannot succeed the result in this conflict by taking action and one hand like that ignition of jerusalem as the state of peace about you and you cannot actually have this peace process started again without. and without a palestinian partner so i think this is where mahmoud abbas can really use his weakness and transform it into. into some sort of power bar point the policies of the president business with the united states then who can fill the void of the u.s. as a negotiating partner i don't think anybody can fill the void of the united states in this case there will be no peace process in the first place if the americans are not going to be part of this i don't think the peace process will be i mean because
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you need someone to put pressure on the israelis the only party to deal with that can put pressure on the israelis because without pressures on the israelis there is the balance of power today doesn't make the provide the sort of concessions that are needed for any peace process to start again so i think that medicare is essential here but by declaring that the united states is no longer the credible mediator is declaring in fact that these courses. and and that's it for him. mahmoud abbas also talking about the old work order to mention just that he will have from this moment they will adhere to nothing as far as the agreements with israel is concerned so where in your view. did the oslo accord fall short i think the oslo accord was from the very beginning. it was in fact the balance that many people expected to be for this conflict i think the accord is
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the thought of. as and there is meant to have a palestinian authority in the occupied palestinian territories to control the palestinian masses and withdraw from the local life of palestinians and try actually to control the land but allowing the palestinian authority to control the population so i think from the very. beginning it was a clear for almost everybody that the accord will not be to any it will not lead to any final settlement just and fear final settlements for there is likely palestinian conflict. actually into too many agreements. on the short and the short term agreements that have led in fact actually at the end of the day to nowhere so this is where we are today after twenty five years of continuous negotiations between the israelis and palestinians we don't have a policy in the state today we still don't have
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a palestinian state today we still don't have peace between the israelis and palestinians and the conflict is still going on which was actually that we need some other options in order to have to use all of this conflict other than the oslo process and other the negotiations which have yielded so far nothing for at least we've been hearing from several different leaders in the islamic world most of those was king abdullah of jordan jordan of course the custodian of the holy sites do you feel that the jordan could play a greater role in all of this i think jordan now. i mean the decision of trump to recognize jerusalem as the car with the refusal it was a big shock was a big slap on the face for jordan which is considered a very important ally of the united states in the region because don't forget that jordan is that is off. of. in jerusalem and when you when
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the united states legalize jerusalem as we did in fact it and mind the very legitimacy of the jordanian regime of the jordanian monarch and this is why we have been seeing the king of jordan moving. fast and visiting istanbul i think he did he did he did actually request. of the gun when he visited last week and he's a questing now by the arab states which means that jordan. alongside the palestinians of course is the one which is most affected by that decision of president tom and this is why we have seen the very hectic diplomatic. movement by the by the jordanian government in order to contain the damage which has been done by the decision of president tom. and on the legitimacy of the of the jordanian monarch and as we look at these pictures in ramallah of protests further protests
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going on and we can see that happening right now the use of throwing stones towards the security forces why is it you think that the the reaction on the street has not been as great as one might have expected i think the arab world is passing through very difficult times today we have we have four or five countries that are having their own conflicts in syria in yemen in libya in iraq egypt also is not in very good shape and egypt i mean in the whole this issue of jerusalem we haven't seen any leadership. egypt which is supposed to be the leader of the arab world so again a bia is completely sucked by by the conflict in yemen also by creating a bout of needless conflicts in my opinion such as the dispute with qatar such as the crisis and lebanon and also i mean other. decisions which have been taken by
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the saudi government in recent weeks which doesn't so in my opinion any sort of. of wisdom so i think the whole arab world actually is seems seems to me in chaos so and. people actually they have so many to deal with right now a despotic little moment but that doesn't mean in my opinion that the arab world doesn't care about just to them i still think that palestine is still the only issue that unites all together amongst all this division on so many issues that we talk about turkey we certainly talk about palestinian territory ginger in iraq or another players in all of this what role can they play in erupt in particular could they could they intervene will they document well i think the iraqi right now i mean the position of iraq and other countries i'm not really different because as i said the decision of president saddam was like was like a blow
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a blow for all governments in this case it was it was a blow to the peace process which most governments in the region are hoping that it will yield something by this administration especially especially the so-called moderate arab states i'm talking about egypt saudi arabia and others and other gulf countries so i think the iraqi government has been hypes. hoping that this summit in istanbul and also if there is going to be an op summit in jordan sometime this week or next week that it will yield some sort of a strong decisions by the arab world as i said at least the iraqis have been calling for the withdrawal of the obese initiative of two thousand and two and the declaration of the peace process as that rising what the iraqis had believed we were only talking about them basically because it seems as if the record today is you have some of the u.s. ambassadors back. i think i think. a lot of the relationship with iraq between iraq and the united states in fact is as you know i mean it's very
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complicated here because you know i mean the united states has on one hand very strong relationship with iran but on the other hand iran also is having but it was which is leading the other side of the. equation because if you hear the president rouhani of iran at the summit today he was calling for a stronger actions and stronger actions by the nie those who are having that meeting today so iraq is in a very difficult position in my opinion as i said on one hand iraq has a very strong relation with the united states on the other hand they have also very strong and they are trying to balance between the two sons when we look at these these protests that are doing on in ramallah and bethlehem as you can see on the screen. to whom is this being directed is it being directed solely at the israelis or also the palestinian authority because you know they're listening to this conference has been a lot of words as we've been discussing a lot of strong words quite a unified front on the whole. to these people who are throwing the stage today they
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feel that not enough is being done nothing concrete is coming out. because of course i mean the anger is mainly against. the americans but i think part of it also is against the policy of not only the palestinian authority but also about again. because palestinians they have been expecting much more from the the islamic world on the. issue and if they don't teach anything to the. order and they expect a summit in in jordan i think we are going to see this anger building building up and we are going to see better more protests by the palestinians that's there's an awful lot of. strife that people have to go through within those who live within the palestinian territories latest figures showing that sixty percent of the west bank and ninety percent of palestinians in gaza. suffering psychological issues i guess it's not surprising given what they have to do i mean you have you have the
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q.b. action and incursions for for so many decades and i am not surprised actually to hear of these these figures about the psychology situation of the palestinians in the article by critics. and that is that is also i mean another another. outcome of their hopes of the situation of the entire region because as i said of course we have declaration palestine at all saw situation and the entire region doesn't i mean almost everybody now is having some sort of psychological and back to. the conflicts that have been taking place and and the region so of course i mean i'm not surprised at all by these figures do you think things have changed these these words have been said this conference is being called is it a different situation now that it was yesterday. i think i think it would be it will depend very much on the communique that is going to be. issued by the at the
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end of this summit if we are going to see more actions taken by the islamic leaders i think it might be different but if the leaders i mean this is what the president of the land has promised to do that there is there is going to be actions taken by the leaders of the islamic world today but if we don't see the sort of actions expected by the arab states and by the muslim estate i think it's going to be like just like the meetings we have been witnessing over the past over the past few days . thanks very much indeed there's plenty more to talk about there's plenty more dignitaries to speak at the conference in istanbul and we'll get your reaction to that when they do so and as and when we go to them so as we look at these pictures in ramallah and bethlehem you can see ongoing protests certainly in ramallah certain amount of time. in the street in bethlehem two in the in response to the ongoing situation with donald trump announcing that jerusalem should be recognized
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as the capital of israel we've had president mahmoud abbas the palestinian president speaking about saying that the united states has chosen to lose its competency as a mediator and will lose its role in the peace process we shall not accept any role for the u.s. in the peace process it's a story coming up. a mystery international says the european union is complicit in the abuse of refugees in libya it says european governments ignore rights violations and violent tactics used by the libyan coast guard so will this report.
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