that so china is going to try to insert itself but we're not quite sure whether it's going to be helpful or whether it's going to be detrimental i think the other player in here that no one is talking about is japan japan continues to focus on the abductee issue prime minister abi has brought it up on occasion and i believe he's even been pursuing his own summit with north korea the north koreans are not interested i think the issued a statement something along the lines of well until there is a correct understanding of history that you know there can really be no moving forward with japan so the prime minister always going to continue to try to be active he's going to continue to try to talk to president trump and push the japanese interest but for the time being they are on the sideline and it's very difficult to get accurate information about how things work and north korea obviously you know the cia and such organizations have their ways but how difficult does that make this when we're talking about

a country that is so isolated so closed off from the rest of the world. well sure i anytime you're going to do an analysis of a government and certain policies you want to number one look at the people and we have a fairly good idea of the people who are on this trip we know their positions we know kind of a lot of their history there are some people out there doing very good work on this that track the north korean regime very closely but as far as the decision making process process and who is actually holding all the power who is kind of pulling the strings becomes much more opaque and that makes everyone's lives who are looking at this very difficult i think we tend to think of north korea in terms of of a monolithic structure that all decisions come from the top down and i'm not so sure that that's the case of the it's a big organization if you think about it in terms of that and to have one person making all the decisions is obviously going to be problematic so when i was doing the analysis on north korea is is very challenging in terms of looking at the power

structures and identifying how that's all are all going to play out and karl actually now we do have an idea of what kim jong il the dictator of north korea what he signed in the gas clip we saw the video a moment ago the a.f.p. news agency is reporting that he said new history began now karl he's very good clearly at. at stagecraft any clearly grasp the moment we don't know what the moments going to mean but he is certainly good at propaganda and painting a picture is he not. yeah absolutely i think that's a very touching sentiment and it certainly fits in with was i think what has been said here in south korea in terms of the english language where it's peace comma a new start so they must have aligned those messages and i would not be surprised if that is one of the things that was agreed upon before this took place you know they've even gone so far as to make sure the table measures two thousand and eighteen millimeters from from side to side and that is where the we where moon

gina and kim jong un will be sitting across from each other so this is being very carefully managed and i have no doubt that this was also part of the negotiations to ensure that this all went smoothly and that there were no surprises for anyone involved you are in sol how will all of this be we talked about how the messaging will be for people in north korea how will this play out in the media in south korea. so the media in south korea has been relatively supportive even the conservative papers who are generally opposed to the progressive governments so far i think they're on board everyone came to kind of the collective realisation that where we were twelve months ago was no longer acceptable it was not tenable and that something had to happen now the conservatives here certainly do not like the progressive government and so this evening you know we're going to see what is what is going to happen here in seoul after the big announcements are made and after this thing wraps up you know it could go one of two ways we could see some time an

outpouring of joy outpouring of relief and then we may see gatherings in the central square of. or it could go the other way and i think more likely is that we'll see kind of the hardcore conservatives pour out there doing their flag waving and opposing some of this that has happened they don't like the fact that were that the moon gene administration is meeting with kim jong un they have no no real love for kim jong un obviously and so i think that is one of the more likely outcomes that we'll see these kinds of conservatives come out to protest i don't expect them to be large scale and as of this morning there were actually very few people out there other than than people on their way to and from work and i think that is one thing that is somewhat missing if you're following this from from abroad if you're out of country you've never really been to korea and you're seeing all of this for the first time is just how normal it all is you know we tend to about people who work on korea we work on all of this and so for us it's a very big event and there's certainly a buzz about the city but nothing that you would really notice everyone's coming

and going out there on their phones when we don't know what they're actually looking at but it's just a normal normal day here so far karl trade off we really appreciate your analysis getting us through this storm stuart moment so right now we're going to leave you with pictures making history has become the first fourth graham leader should step foot on the south side of the border since the end of the korean war the gentlemen are now behind closed doors and moment. if this happened right there at that mark ation line dividing it much more to come on al jazeera.

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russian letting us today. spring has really come on here. and not just the korean peninsula but the whole world is focusing on us today and we're not. i mean to hit on the people of the north and south and all people living overseas one for whom you don't get on the job. there is a big weight on our shoulders when you do when you and i are on church with all. the money. you have to moan when contenders for the supreme need across the u.s. the demarcation line yes and this historic moment. which i guess where you. are very much. on the used market on the. when you were younger you are there is immense expectation on nine eleven well. and i hope this

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after we just took in that moment the very beginning of the opening session between these two leaders the kim jong un and moon and striking a very cordial tone there saying that they have about ten years to make up for because in fact it has spent ten years since the leaders of these two countries have met this all coming just about an hour or so after that historic moment where the the leader of north korea kim jong un actually crossed over into the south korean side our our correspondent james faces been taking all of this in with us as well so james this opening session seems to be a cordial jovial tone to get things started what supposed to happen now. well the journalists are being kicked out because this is the bit they don't want us to hear and see because this is the real substance this is the negotiations two rounds of negotiations that will take place between the two sides but certainly

both sides have decided and there was lots of proprietary meetings to try and make the tone as pleasant as possible and you saw the smiles that you saw the comments from president moon of south korea saying that it was already a huge weight off our shoulders that the meeting was taking place and saying that we've got to talk to each other and make up for the last ten years because it's ten years since their last was a meeting between the leaders of the north and south that with kim jong un's father a meeting that took place in pyongyang of course behind closed doors the discussions are going to be about substance and they are bound to be more difficult than some of the comments we heard in that short photo spry a of the two man one comment there i'm told that we hope that you like the cold noodles because

that's something that's going to be served later on today cold noodles are a speciality in the north and pyongyang and a chef from pyongyang top restaurant has been brought in to serve them for the north korean leader one other thing to tell you just a small thing but you remember we showed those live pictures of the visit a book being signed i can now tell you what was in the visitors' book from supreme leader kim he wrote the new history is from now era of peace from the starting point of history so he i think effectively in those comments that's the translation i have from the qur'an is saying that the new era of peace begins now on the korean peninsula and as our diplomatic canadair. you cover summits and such for quite some time how do these things actually play out behind closed doors with the people that are brought in the back and forth how do these these things go.

well normally when there is a negotiation between various parties there is a long winded to process it take months it takes years look at the iran nuclear deal endless negotiations going over all the fine print all the details and then you bring the leaders in at the end to sign things will this is being done very differently the leaders are coming in at the beginning to try and create the political agreement and the tone then to negotiate all of the details pretty high stakes strategy of course because if any of these meetings go go badly if they can't agree on a key element and i think the key element here is north korea's nuclear program where do they go next does this whole process peter out and if it pretty to peters out does it mean we return to where we were before which of course was looking very much at military options i think the u.s.

will be pleased i'm sure very pleased by the tone of these meetings by the happy smiling faces that's what they want but they also want to see some concrete measures from the north they want to see some evidence that the north is prepared to negotiate about everything and that includes its nuclear program. the long range missiles that could potentially deliver those nuclear weapons as far as the u.s. ok james as you're talking we're showing our viewers what happened a little bit earlier that historic moment when kim jong un crossed onto the a south korean side and in fact let's go to south korea in seoul there as the moment fair trade off and analysts has been joining us is a fellow at the chicago council on global affairs has been joining us so as you can see there there was the moment that they have set a very town for this summit that is actually happening now want to ask about

somebody that it appeared to be in the room kim jong un's sister if i'm not mistaken and and of course she was put front and center during the olympics what do we know exactly about her role. in and i don't know if it's consulting with and helping her brother what do we know. so there's really not a lot known about her and how she's doing this she kind of came out of the shadows only a year or two maybe maybe three ago and now she's assumed a very prominent role of course she was the kind of person who visited seoul during during the olympics met with president moon here and has really helped pave this forward so it's clear i think the commission and puts a lot of trust in her and of course she is family after all and it seems like one of the few family members that can join them trust of course we talked a little bit earlier about the fact that he does have a half brother well i think there's still one surviving and one was recently killed in malaysia so the fact that she is still around i think indicates that she's a trusted adviser and she's going to remain very very close to can join on and be

perhaps one of the most influence influential people in the regime in a very historic early morning so far but the pictures they've been taking at these two leaders meeting what are your actual expectations for what might come out of this so again we will talk to talk a little bit earlier about how this is going to be cut into three tranches number one denuclearization that's going to be i think mostly off the table for in terms of because north korea wants to deal with that directly with the united states but it is going to be important for south korea to talk about denuclearization with north korea and then pass that information along to the united states but this is something i think has been lost a lot in the analysis that people in washington d.c. especially they see south korea in a lot of ways freelancing on this but i get the sense that there is a lot of behind the doors coordination between the united states and south korea across a variety of issues carl and i have to say when they are i'd say let me interrupt

you for just a moment because we're getting more now what john has been saying and the session i think this is important he says that we don't want to repeat of the past where we were able to fulfill our agreement so it seems to be obviously his acknowledging that they see things that happened before and nothing really fruitful came out of it. oh yeah that's great that he's acknowledging it but now it's the question of whether or not north korea can actually live up to its side of the agreement of course there is plenty of blame to be pushed around on both sides some people say that the u.s. in previous agreements didn't deliver on its and you know the prime example being the delivery of heavy fuel oil but there are a number of numerous occasions where south or north korea rather has decided that it was going to walk away from an agreement the primary example of this is the leap day deal which was signed i believe in two thousand and twelve or twenty thirteen that was supposed to put a moratorium on missile launches and then essentially one day one or two days later north korea launched a missile that it deemed

a space launch vehicle and because it was a space launch vehicle anything to put a satellite into orbit they claim that it was not an i.c.b.m. despite the dual use technology so there is going to be a lot of pressure on north korea to live up to its side it's great that he's acknowledging it. will see how these actions play out again we've seen this before so we need to actually see how this moves forward and you made it were about out of time which made a really good point as well that you could have all these agreements that are part of the agreement has to be a way to check and verify these things because as you said there really hasn't been anything any anybody to hold them to task for for these agreements so their hat has to be part of the negotiation track. right and you know when it comes to the very sharp end of this i think that's going to be the real challenge the verification if let's say we do move forward and we somehow get north korea to say that it's going to give up its weapons and declare them then we have to send in the in inspectors to investigate these sites that they have declared and there's

a real question about what they're going to declare if they ever get to that point and how many so verification along this process is going to be incredibly difficult and the longer they delay in my opinion the worse off they're going to be because the trump administration i do not think is willing to see this out over a two to three year process my guess would be we'd be looking at six to eight months and then we're going to to have to take a check and progress has been made karl we're going to join us again at the top of the hour al jazeera news continues. targeting plastic more than forty companies in the u.k.

and saves two cups a plastic pollution in the next seven years it remains is a first and others are expected to follow so is this a turning point in the battle to eliminate plastic waste this is inside story. and welcome to the program i'm jane if the current trend of pollution continues scientists predict by the a twenty fifteen there could be more plastic and oceans then fish that. an extraordinary prediction now more than forty large companies in the u.k. have signed up to an agreement the am to eliminate single plastic use or packaging that cannot be reused the goal to do it in the next seven years the move is a first and the decision is expected to be followed by companies in other countries

now a million plastic bottles are purchased every minute in the united states alone and approximately five hundred million straws are used and discarded in that country every day for coffee lovers in britain perhaps this figure will give you the kind of jolt a coffee won't even two point five billion disposable coffee cups are used each year we have a lot to get soup with i guess but first china angela has more in the u.k. company's decision to cut the plastic waste. we're outside tesco is one of forty two british companies and supermarkets that have signed up to the u.k. plastics voluntarily they are agreeing to buy twenty twenty five that plastic bags that food packaging like this covering but on those will be fully reusable recyclable and home possible that these companies account for eighty percent of the plastic packaging use in u.k. supermarkets so the impact could be in movements the prime minister to use in maine

has promised to eliminate avoidable plastic waste by twenty forty two as part of a national action the government is ambitious and it should be because the threat to the environment is so severe that this is a global problem and it needs a global response when you consider that the amount of plastic we produce each year is equivalent to the entire weight of humanity it's public concern about plastic waste that is driving the agenda it's being called the blue planet effect of the television series by so david asmer which is exposed the impact of plastic on our cities and wildlife and the critics say that this new tax is just bought and treat as a way of forcing it the public is limited to change already seeing people replacing their plastic shopping bags for usable close ones and taking their daily coffee in a reusable car that expecting retailers to commit to trains to.

let's bring in our guests now joining us on skype from london agent maas a science and technology journalist in nairobi adie one z. deputy director in charge of field operation at kenya's national environment management authority and also on skype but from bergen in no way off rasha a twenty sixteen year environments champion of the earth one of who focuses on pollution in our oceans very good to have all three of you with us let me start off with you a.j. and mohsin is this. happen in your part of the world this agreement this pledge to put a stop to plastic plastic waste what do you make of it well i think a cynic and perhaps i am list would say yes this is although definitely a good move unwelcome by environmental groups. it's an attempt to avoid stricter government regulation what they're not doing is promising to reduce the amount of plastics they use they're trying to avoid. deposit on classed on

single use plastic items by government and other government regulation of course both of those would hit them harder in the pocket than making their plastics recyclable there's a lot of government there's a lot of public pressure on the government to deal with this they've already put a five pence that's about seven u.s. cents levy on plastic bags from large change of shops they're talking about a deposit on plastic bottles so they're returned a bill and burning plastic cotton buds and drinking straws which you know maybe could be argued tinkering at the edges but it could get a lot worse for the manufacturers so i think this is really to some extent laudable but to some extent an attempt to head off something far far worse financially and do you think it will buy them enough time to head off for that inevitable point

that they must surely reach at some stage and take that financial hit to do the right thing i think only time will tell of course there's a very good chance we'll see a change of government before this these talks come in twenty twenty five so perhaps partly it depends how they do. i think one point is that. the groups have a valid point that in fact ninety five percent of plastic surveyed by the end because of the foundation the woman who's. set off a record for solo navigation around the world new york. a survey by them found that ninety five percent of plat of single use plastic around the world are recycled so really i think the garment groups do have a point we need to get rid of plastics as much as possible single use plastics at least. and i don't think that pressure is going to go away but it'll help it'll certainly help but let's talk about this what adrian says is

a small step cynically points out what do you think of it. i think it's far too little. but i work on that the spectrum you know the narrative which we see in this world is the laws and the policies in the regulations must help us in cleaning the ocean protecting the ocean from being dusted field i think individuals must sooner you know the field which i work in mumbai. i think we all have littered we have turned plastic into modern day breeze plastic was not made in their bodies plastic is cost effective and durable product is how we handle plastic and if you don't recycle and monetize plastic you are in for trouble and that's what i see at my beach in mumbai of course this goes with the caveat that unnecessary single use plastic have no place in the twenty first century and that's what these laws and regulation must drive and they must drive it at a faster space and speed than what's been done now on marine species are in trouble the ocean is in trouble we have lost our beach citizens are not able to enjoy their

beaches i can go for a swim in my beach in mumbai and what do you expect that this fagen from the lawmakers in the governance model you know and i firmly believe it's more these individuals who are littering are responsible and i i speak purely from my experience you know i've picked up forty million cases of plastic from a single beach in mumbai us label this is the biggest beach cleanup and i after picking up i'll tell you it's not the plastic which is the problem our empathy towards plastic has got us where we have every person looters must own up this is because of the loss of sense of belonging you feel your home is your home your car is your car your office is your office your family's of your family but when it comes to your ocean your nature it's not mine the government must take care it seems we have become so distant from our environment and things that are important to us anyone say what do you make of this latest gesture i can put it that way.

thank you very much for that question here in kenya very happy. speaking from the standpoint of an environmental protection agency that the implementation of the plastic is going to solve one of our biggest problem and this is the sources of land based pollution into the marine environment and therefore. we are solving one of the biggest problems with the environment and we are going to have very much beneficial if impacts into the society and i think this is the way to go because we have a lot of alternatives in the park. environment and therefore not good. progressive activities by a group of people and the way to go is we need to stick with removing plastic. materials in the environment so that we can clean environment for the purposes of

clean and healthy environment for all people and the. marine life in general and therefore i think we're doing the right thing in kenya and we're very happy we have success let's talk about what's going on behind kenya if we lay gainey has now that kenya has imposed the world's stiffest fines on the use of plastic pretty draconian pretty hard for those who rely on plastic for their business tell me how it's working is it successful yeah we are saying it's been very successful because. we've seen the environment is choked with. plastic plastic flock to bugs in kenya. national strategy stipulated that we need to take action was cleaning the environment and it's been

a good thing that we deal with the plastic in korea because they are all eternity in the environment. if all of us embrace in the use of the packaging materials or bugs. everybody will be very happy about it and they're not going to lose. employment opportunities in the industry because you know very well that the manufacturers here will have to be a machine so that they can brace the new alternative packaging that is required and people could be working in the in the indices and people will enjoy a clean and healthy environment for all so we're not saying that the same but i can say that you make government two point so i may jump in and bring in aid and you make an important point when it comes to business you say that everybody is benefiting from it but adrian as you know it'll have businesses hard the pat plastic industry obviously won't be behind this those who use it to carry fruit and

vege in their plastic bags to favor one place or another won't be behind it how do you make this a successful business model. well. it's down to government pressure regulation if the demand is there for different sorts of plastic. one of the promises that is that they are going to increase the amount of compostable plastic which does to a great extent largely solve the problem but the technology is still very much lagging behind but if we can really crack that problem and get and use plastics that's the carry in the environment then it's almost problem solved overnight and i think eventually technology will solve it it's just a question of whether that's five years or twenty years or more there's about one one doesn't know how hard the problem is to so really intil one so but it's something people been working on for a long long time and it has twenty years to get rid of a shopping bag of plastic shopping bags i mean that's extraordinary isn't it and

that is really years about you could only reuse a certain amount of times as well as a finite that's right and it breaks down into increasingly small pieces that cause increasing problems to marine wildlife because many marine wildlife mistake it for things like fish eggs and other things folks can see they treat as food so as it breaks down it causes more damage than large whole plastic bags which are visible and unpleasant and it actually enters the food chain as well we consume a lot to mount a micro plastic and at the moment nobody knows if that's damaging our health or not so it is a very very urgent problem. it is it's frightening isn't law and i'm just wondering why it's taking us so long to get to this point what is it there the pictures of the swirling plastic in the sea is and knowing that eating plastic is going to damage us i mean what finally triggered this move this tipping point for us. even

when you when you see such a huge and humongous problem facing you i come from landmark my gun these are your immediate responses i have followed them all my life as a lawyer i did that in the courts in mumbai so you want to be part of the solution i always tell people up to my mind you know you can keep on complaining you can keep on blaming the governments you can keep on blaming the policy but an individual is at the center of the pollution the governments have not littered the institutions have not littered now you are looking for an institutional solution since the big boys in the big government and the court will step in to protect their mom and i think it should start with a single entity every individual must own up and that required before you know i am a should be my my phone be limited i don't think an individual i am at home so. we haven't seen any environment. it'll take there's no responsibility no one else left and we shouldn't do it but we didn't need much bigger global things that

forced people to do it and some people of course don't have the money comes to make the but let me show us is that actually cost more. but you can involve every share my camera sorry that's all that i have. had on my experience. as i must answer adrian i think that the new deal efforts i speak purely from my experience for three years i worked fifty sixty thousand people in mumbai are having a change of heart and mind you know if you have been told too long that these laws are going to take over our lives i mean if you have lost connect the basic is this what we have lost connect with the nature why do people litter there is lots of sense of belonging gave replastered is turned into a marine debris asking the poor people you know in mumbai i walk in the slums sixty thousand days the change of heart there they're making their houses you know garbage and it was a small small pep talk to them saying that can we do it together. this impossible

mccann ism of laws policies and i speak as a lawyer everybody here in the quarter of an hour and then defending government action i'm a constitutional lawyer and mumbai high court or court orders are passed laws are put in place and who sees the implementation and enforcement ask me when you see fifty million gauges of plastic at the beach there's a standard producers responsibility in my country as i speak to you there's a solid waste management rules ok but isn't that really funny point as well and if i can put this to you how do you want to alan's saving the environment. and possibly not sacrificing our economy how do you get people to understand that the two can exist that you can be environmentally friendly that it can be economically beneficial to you. this is a very good question i'll start by saying that. in action that we took. we normally fly in formation to support

a decision that is being taken and i would normally create awareness to the citizenry so that we can go together the citizen through that particular path and therefore when we decided that we need to ban the plastic the use of plastic bug in the country. we also found some information about the appropriate. alternative packaging for all uses in kenya and therefore. that we have the appropriate technologies that can be used by the manufacturing industry to be able . to sustain their businesses and serve and therefore or the decision was supported by information that was there and will continue to collect more information to support this particular decision as well as create awareness to this it isn't really about the availability of. packaging material which no. a long way

to guarantee. me to continue the way to used to be and at the same time serving our environment from pollution or took effect of the plastic carrier and the flight to bugs and therefore these two go hand in hand and be supported by information that is there from science and we continue to collect more information to support these decisions. are you going to see how trees like you have been incredibly proactive and they've decided to do something about it you've got people like shah who spend spend hours on the beach cleaning up getting his feet and hands dirty and thing is of up to you know whatever sort of disease and then you have countries the five asian countries china indonesia philippines thailand vietnam a dumping more plastic and then the rest of the world i mean does this negate

everything that's been done and how can you rein those sorts of countries and. well there's no question that individual action is valuable we also have people who voluntarily clean beaches and although that doesn't solve really the plastic problem at sea does improve the local environment for people and for animals that use the beaches. but it's not really a solution and until we find i think much greater scale are the technical or regulate tree solutions the problem will continue. it's very difficult to see how you can persuade countries what made a huge difference here was as you are a package said it was a documentary by david attenborough called blue planet that actually showed people what the reality is on the surface of the ocean under the ocean and that really really shocked people it's incredibly incredibly popular brokaw stay here and that

made it more of a difference than years of campaigning and regulation and suddenly there's a huge call for action so that it's not only just willing this when people know the problem to have something done to do something about it's not just plastic that's harming the environment scientists say so-called healthy foods could also be damaging our planet they say eating lettuce is over three times worse in greenhouse emissions than eating bacon for example that's because lettuce has so few calories that you'd need to eat two whole iceberg lettuce heads to get close to the calorie intake of two rashers of smoked bacon almonds are being blamed for water shortages in california where eighty two percent of the world's arms are produced each one takes any four liters of water to produce and the low fat high protein can what is having detrimental effect in the field of prue and bolivia where it's found the rise in export has made it too expensive for locals to buy it for us do you think you know this sort of information plastic falls into that do you think it's just overwhelming for people to know that the i'm trying to do my best i've given up

plastic water bottles are monta glasnost i'm trying to get fit and ken was bad for the you know for the planet i mean where does one start. still tell you the whole learned to verb when you discuss problem of plastic environment we as humans we want solution now if you remove the assumption that the solution is in the near future then things are ok be each one of us as i firmly believe we'll have to start our personal journey the problem is we are looking for solutions we have not even understood the problem of plastic a notion why people litter from where it is coming why are these buying habits why is consumer promoting this when you have more purchasing power you get more plastic in your house you know what i mean and then you later so this whole concept about solutions solutions solution i think it's too far fetched at this point of time what we need is simple basic things you'll have to teach everybody in the country i am doing that in mumbai maybe more afro's is should stand up everywhere in my

country and tell people up get your life to life of existence this move away from the life of convenience we want solution we want convenience this can be it all our bonds have been snapped let me tell you you know i'm in norway now cleaning the beaches here in remote island now norway is supposed to be very sustainable country and mind you yesterday i was at one of the remote island full of plastic what do you respond to it ok let me bring in early yet and i should imagine hearing statements from donald trump's administration for example where there seems to be rolling back all the strides made against the environment doesn't help on a higher level should plastic pollution for example be in the same league as emitting greenhouse gas emissions should we be taking it that seriously getting the cloud behind it that it needs. thank you thank you. i tend to

believe that this would be put in the same league because the consequences of plastic bugs in the environment pose a very big threat. to the life of both humans and marine life and the world animals as well and therefore the cause the issue of the greenhouse gases into the. into into the environment again also causes similar consequences of impacts into the human i mean a human life. should be debated at the same level so that they are tackled at the same level consideration of the resources that the simpson party level what would be different probably be the other one we talk about the global level because the gus's do not have a bone disease but with the pollution its government need to put of measures so that they can tackle the issue of plastic bug menace directly through the last

question to any environmental action if we don't tackle this now if we don't deal with our. actions on our plastic addictions or whatever else is harming the planet what are we looking at. well i think the point you've raised is that it's complex. a little while back in the u.k. we moved away from gloss milk bottles that were little returned and washed out to plastic bottles and the argument was that was reducing c o two emissions so environmental issues are incredibly complex and balancing one against the other is very very difficult i mean clearly global warming is the greatest threat to the planet bar none at the moment but you know if we destroy the oceans veyron other means in order to mitigate that then it's not great and it's very difficult that to balance the two really we need to work on the both similar tamia three it can't be

the rule and we can all start taking our own steps country afros sharlee one c.n. adrian mars very good to talk to thank you and thank you to you for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera dot com for further discussion you can go to our facebook page at facebook dot com ford slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle as for my new at a.j. inside story mine is at change that and thanks for watching. beneath pink skies by the time hot. or is the sun sets in the city of angels.

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