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tv   Behrouz Boochani  Al Jazeera  May 6, 2018 11:32am-12:01pm +03

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for more than four and a half years iranian refugee to roost but charlie has been living in limbo on a remote specific element he was sent there by australia after he tried to reach its shores by boat for our. kids the prison it was a prison. even war on a prison because. the prisoner in around the world nobody porcher and you really see it as torture yeah of course you know it in the system i think torture. was a journalist in iran publishing stories promoting the kurdish language and culture of the colleagues were arrested and accused of undermining the iranian state who johnny feared he'd be next he fled aiming for australia. tens of thousands of others have gone before him thanks smugglers to take them across the sea from in the knees yet to the australian territory of christmas island between two thousand
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and nine and twenty thirteen more than fifty thousand people have made similar journeys most of them ultimately were allowed to settle as refugees in australia but in australia people were alarmed at the growing number of refugees coming by boat they watched horrified as some boat sank or were smashed against rocks on trying to land in the midst of an election campaign in july twenty thirty australia's government announced a radical policy. people who come by boat now have no prospect of being resettled in australia the rules have changed if you come here by boat will be sent to papa new guinea australia's government had done a deal with papua new guinea once it's colony but now an independent country in exchange for billions of dollars p.m.g. would accommodate refugees who try to reach australia until at the very least their claims to be refugees were decided combined with australia's navy turning back
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boats at sea the deportation policy was about to terence if settlement in australia was denied to anyone arriving as australia's government saw it illegally by boat who in future would try the chinese boat was see when the new policy was announced it arrived on christmas island four days later on the chinese thirtieth birthday four weeks later he was deported to mount a silent in papua new guinea he's been there ever since the nearly five years and it's from a man of silent that he talks to al-jazeera. for johnny thank you very much for talking to al-jazeera can we start with why you left iran back in twenty thirteen you know i fell in trouble with the government so. i hide myself or both more than amongst. you know friend. after that. i received some information.
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that's they are going through i just need. some action so i decided to leave iran so. i. came forth. australia's government says its policy was and is necessary to deter what it's called illegal immigration it is question the motives of those arriving by boat asking why they didn't claim asylum in countries they travel through before getting on boats to australia it is suggested that those who come by boat are economic migrants rather than refugees genuinely fleeing persecution that their refusal to accept a permanent life in papua new guinea or on the tiny island nation of nuru shows that their real aim is and always was life in a wealthy developed country not just a safe one it says the refugees lawyer or exaggerate with stories of poor conditions in australian run the tension centers on malice and the root ultimately
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australia's government says tough policies against uncontrolled migration unnecessary to allow generosity towards refugees through a managed process the strong support record numbers of people coming through the migration program and humanitarian programs when governments have proper control of the process i don't want to give up their process and the right to decide who comes to our country to people smugglers so you left iran and you decided to go to australia yeah i want to do that journey you know i float in the news your i phone the smuggler he told me that i am going to send you straight why did you not stay in indonesia you were out of iran yeah you were not going to be perceived by authorities there why not stay in indonesia at that point the first place you got to apply for asylum through the u.n.h.c.r. some of the refugees they were i rested by the police in the news you know and they
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deported them and they didn't ask them questions. just the us that them reported them because so many refugees learn that thing where in so the government want to you know and deported them went back to iran yeah they send them back to iran so you decided it wasn't safe to be an intern then you're working on three air really was not safe for me and. this is a little comparable it took about how much to pay for that journey i bought five thousand dollars here on the first votes in the boat after. forty eight hours song and i found myself on the ocean. that was very scary and a slump for a vote that there's the matter could be reached through wood that was on the ocean
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on the water after that. ship came there. fishman and they took me from the water. after that i was on the ship for about two days and they called the police and police came you know they put me in the jail i was in the jail for the night and after that i use a cape and they went to jack carter. after two weeks i started to come to a trail again so that was a very big decision. because the journey on the ocean is very tenuous sounds so many people today so i experienced i once experienced that then you know some of the refugees they don't know that one year but i want to experience so in second time when i started to come through the strait it's mean
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that i didn't feel. safe in indonesia and i thought that i must go to a strange one i must you know leave this country because it was not safe for me you landed on christmas island on the twenty third of july twenty third saying that was four days after australia's government changed their policy the rules have changed how did they tell you that news would be coming to us you know i didn't know that was strange i was on the ocean because i. i were both last week and we came to australia on sixteen july. what sop was to arrive to christmas island after two days what our boat get lost and we were lost for a week and when we arrived with cheney or was twenty three july exactly my best thing. when we arrived there they put us in
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a place like some crazy place and they didn't allow us to call our family we were there for about twenty day. after twenty. poor they just told us that you must go to. uni so for twenty days i thought that i arrived in australia as a. free country so i didn't know that after twenty days they said. we are going to examine your tall man sign and you must leave there. or you will back to your country do you understand why australia's government felt they needed to introduce this tough policy. i can understand you know i have been thinking aboard this for more than forty years and they cannot understand why they
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are you know torturing people. they say australia's government more than fifty thousand people came just before you more boats were coming all the time as you say and you almost experienced more than a thousand people drowned at sea that had to stop and this policy has stopped that people no longer come by boat so while. every sympathy for you in your situation can you understand the need for the broader policy now i can understand because i think that sending people to the island like not on montana or you know even prevalent about complex radio but it's a main lobby then thought yet the main reason was that they send back the boats to indonesia a slightly summit say and i push them away so the people in indonesia or the refugees in malaysia or in middle east or their countries they are not watching us
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that when we get freedom. they come to australia the main reason is that they then bank the boat. then bang the boat down the people. they the refugees they think if we go to australia we will lose our money and we will you know have a very risky journey and maybe we arrive there. and they sent us back so the main reason is that the main reason is not them they send people to. a monastery and you understand why australia feels it needs to control its borders a former prime minister of australia famously said that we will decide who comes to our country and the manner in which they come that was john howard back in two thousand and one that is a very reasonable thing to say isn't it in order to be an open country in order to
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have high levels of immigration as australia does it needs to know that it is controlling its borders that's fair isn't it you know i am not in a position to make decision two or three in your heart or give advice to them you know i am a refugee so i don't think about this that was three years trying to protect its borders the main important thing is i myself and these people that we have been in the prison camp in this island for more than forty years for their first three years on manis the refugees were kept in what australia's government called a processing center half an hour away from the island's main town with high fences and god's refugees weren't allowed out no visitors in those inside considered it a prison in twenty sixteen happy new guinea's opposition leader took a case to the country supremes court arguing that the refugees detention was
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illegal under the constitution the court agreed and to comply with the ruling the government made the center an open facility refugees still live there who could come and go freely in october twenty seventh seen the sense it was completely shut down guard medical and support staff left power and water supplies were disconnected but most refugees refused to leave the three weeks they lived in the former prison surviving on rain water and food. smuggled in by sympathetic locals. no one feel. they are ready for the refugees the siege was a protest a chance to make a stand but in late november papua new guinea and police a victim by force some refugees were hit with sticks and dragged on to buses. that was your home for four hundred years since and has to know it is very a strange feeling when. what he's played australia as governor has always said it
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was never a prison it was a regional processing center what was it to you for. it is a prison it was a prison you know their policy was to create hate you know they were happy that people in man was free zone helped australia to forget those here so the established this policy and they were running the prison camp late these are interesting thing i would like to say one put the request and ask them to give me and i'm after a strange young enough i want to put me in the war because of my work i understand no. you cannot have with radium i can't go to australia because yeah that's the i don't want to go through you're just saying one four hundred they would like. they've been wrong what was life like in the three weeks off with when you were
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refusing to leave really as a protest more than anything else you know that was. wrong and you know i myself i experienced that. because i was born in war. and was like oh war zone but in some ways we were happy. because we were out of. the systematic torture we were in the you know there are officers who were not there. you know there were there was a little tonally you were in charge of your own lives and yeah yeah we were constantly in. our life during the siege and the of action he tweeted in fact ever since being sent to mount a speech on his campaign relentlessly against the policy that sent him there and has kept him there he's kept up his journalism using mobile phone credit paid for by sympathetic or straightly and he tweets prolifically he writes an online
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newspaper column in the guardian which in november one him an amnesty international media award but johnny has even shot a film on his phone edited by a dutch director the resulting movie about life a man of silence has been shown at film festivals around the world he's now working on writing a play and a book they were very successful years become prolific you have a column in the guardian newspaper your tweets are read by many thousands of people you do a regular interviews in the australian and global media including many times on al-jazeera do you feel more a journalist or a refugee i don't think a more myself you know as a german news or refugee i feel that i am human i am human and them fighting for humanity i am fighting for these people you know the people that i feel they have suffering and they know them for a long time i know them you know i am living with the refugees and i hear their
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stories i know their stories so it is very important for me but on the first day i know that understand i am thinking like this that it is my duty as a journalist it is my mission. it is my duty to work on this issue. it is my duty to tell through to people and all saw important thing is that i am working to record history of this. recorded history of this prison camp for history for the next generation the deals australia reached with papua new guinea and the room where the refugees would stay in those countries permanently after the stories of persecution were confirmed australia's government says if refugees were genuine they'd happily accept life in any country why not take the option on the table which is resettlement in pop when
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you go you know first is that we didn't come to peace and second is that. doesn't. get to protect the refugees and accept the refugees and the refugees. and they are sure that if they accept to leave. they will lose everything and they won't have any clear future in peace but millions of papua new guinea and have clear futures they live here yes country is not at war why not stay here you're not going to be persecuted here in our. country. tribal culture we. poor economy and our store is not safe for the refugees so they're refugees cannot accept to live in our saw they are saying if you accept. after eight years we will give
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you a passport so. how can we accept that some people may have families but people wanting this will think this is a man who was fleeing for his life yet if fled to iran because his life was in danger your life is not in imminent danger here why not accept that and stay a lot of people refugees were attacked by the. people. why because you know the. people are very kind people but they cannot accept they cannot accept that they are living in a poor condition the government accept some people on try to protect them they cannot accept that. believe that the refugees cannot live in peace. you know some of the refugees.
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are really try to live in peace and where they couldn't so because of you know cultural reasons because of economy reasons because of you know so many reasons because it is not safe country for the refugees because their government cannot protect them they cannot start the. simple life in peace and it is under you know of that but you haven't tried have you you haven't tried you saying you could you say you couldn't just go in when you can if you haven't tried it you know you're asking a question from me that. if you ask the. government. they answer you you know in my way. they are arguing that. they cannot accept the refugees and they are not saying that they we want to accept
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refugees neither papua new guinea's prime minister nor is immigration minister responded to requests for an interview but another government minister speaking in a personal capacity did talk he says life in p. and g. is possible for refugees who try to make it work but if they want it's not for his country to force them what they do want is resettlement in a country that they feel that they will have a proper chance of integrating into and i don't believe that's possible that's for a stranger to sort out that's that's a strange problem the stray needs to resolve that quickly it's not a pup a new problem a stray is created an issue to solve it do you want them not really we really don't need them simple or man aside into most locals think it's time the refugees moved on which he now is for an obvious almost five years. i would have thought by now you know so that's that's that's my view i question is did the
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maid hang loose you know if they make freed on the suicide bombing and so like that it's where they had industry they may do something west like we used to hear t.v. and radio suicide bombing was able so that they considered terrorists. much attention in. the issue over there but that's what is seeing on the street. and then make this ng be careful just be careful there. australia has done deals with other countries to take refugees during his final days in office president obama agreed to settle as many as twelve hundred fifty of australia's refugees in the united states president trump has called that a dumb deal but has said reluctantly. but an offer from new zealand to resettle others has been rejected by australia's government which says as new zealanders
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have the right to settle in australia refugees would use new zealand as a back door into australia going back to the broader policy australia's government says rightly that there are millions of refugees around the world needing resettlement a year when the other men here any more deserving than any of them of resettlement in a rich country like australia what makes you any more deserving than someone stuck in a refugee camp in lebanon for example i know nothing to remember. crisis in the war but when we arrived two or three was not known when we arrived to australia there was no i.c.'s when we arrived to australia. there were still many millions of arrests so it's not even that you know it's not mean that. he was through no government has this right to porch or us is the way you see it as tojo's people a very strong word you feel tortured yeah it is a port sure you know we have been on the torture scene they are torturing us you
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know we have been on the porch we have been under a systematic torture you've been fed you've been housed nugget how is that for you know six people already night. six people are leaving this polythene this prison camp six people six young people one of them killed by the. staff four of them they because of many call neck legs at least two killed themselves you how that was. tortured them for a long time. after that they left them. with protection. we put protection and they and i was so. suspicious way. still we don't know that they killed them or they killed they they. you know.
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they those guys you know they were with psychological illness for a long time and his phone call with the american president australia's prime minister malcolm turnbull described most of the refugees here as economic migrants you obviously now know them all quite well is he right are you and some of the others economic migrants rather than genuinely genuinely fleeing persecute you know . that was stolen government and in the process people. you know by international. more than one person off the people. of a few gene but you got money all of you paid five thousand dollars to get on a boat to christmas island in london did refugees not mean that you love the morris to the pole though you just desperately want to meet yeah it's not mean that you are a poor you know through the poor what are your hopes feel future you
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know i hope that. no so many people in australia are fighting for will stop or think. i hold out with him go a month. make so little from a real solution. let us go there was with johnny thank you very much thank you for talking to others see. travel off to. my tranquil forty's and forests a broad level. talks of knowledge. like. the. valleys and scotland's. this adventure. sculpture the chairs
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because faraway places close it. going since together with cattle i always. of all my friends and coworkers who were detained i am the only one who survived they were all waiting for news of their menfolk was only one word a limits too much for those saw a boy killed in his father's all i saw my. son i have only once in my life seen men who are scared to death a bit to civil war was dark secret bosnia the camp on al-jazeera. i really felt liberated as a journalist was. getting to the truth as i would say that's what this job.

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