figure to them and now of course they're a very very compact and very close to it's like family of each other now they're like siblings and coaches sort of like a father figure to them so it's amazing if and now that we could finally hear from them directly and and step it's it's interesting isn't it that this event has been very heavily orchestrated as led by the authorities and understandably perhaps they've got psychologists with them as well because presumably i suppose there are some fears as is the mental health even though physically they might be. absolutely fine. exactly the government has been very very protective they've been in the hospital and nobody of course was allowed to to even get near them not not one of the journalists could get near them and of course there's a reason for that it's not only because the government of course it's going to is using this of course for publicity for themselves as well but it's also a concern

a real sincere concern for their mantel have not maybe not at the moment but maybe for the trauma that could come afterwards nightmares of their ordeal far also told me the father's actually the father of the goalkeeper and he told me that he is also concerned about that of course and he will watch his son very carefully said i'm going to have a new relationship with my son because i need to be closer to him to make sure that he is all right and the thing that he was actually worried about the most was that his life is not going to be the same anymore it's he really wants his life to go back to normal but he's really worried about all this attention of course there are already people from hollywood to him planning a film a movie about this ordeal there will be a museum and of course all this media attention for these boys and the father said that can't be healthy i really want my boy to be a normal boy they're coming from a very small town here in the rural areas in northern thailand and he really just wants to go back to that like. but it's going to be very difficult for them indeed

because they've just gone through what must be a life changing event for each and every one of them and do you think that the presence of psychologists then stepan and having this so heavily regulated and not a toll spontaneous is an effort by the authorities to protect the boys to keep the boys within a certain ring fence if you like so as to minimize any stress for them. exactly and they get there is this sincere concern by the authorities are now i have to say they're doing a really professional job on this because in many other countries maybe the boys would be subjected to all kinds of questions but they have been very very protective and it is indeed a life changing event for them it has been a life changing event but the father told me he hardly recognized his body not because he was looking unhealthy but because he was so mature all of a sudden they're basically grown up in two weeks inside that cave and he was like

different he said he could deal with things more mature early so of course it's been a life changing thing for them for ever absolutely and. with the with the days that have passed ever since these boys were miraculously rescued very bit by bit more detail has been emerging about the boys in the kind of lives they lead before this amazing event and tell us a bit about what we know about the kinds of boys they were the kinds of lives they lead the kind of families they come from. yes as i said very ordinary families coming from a very small town here in the north of thailand the father i've been spoken speaking to is basically an immigration officer some people working for like lower government offices very ordinary people and four of them actually are stateless there which means that they have no nationality and hardly any rights to the coach

and three of the players are coming from me on my hand they're basically from one of the tribes the tribal communities in myanmar and they have come here for basic education for better education and that some of the rights they do have here but they don't have the same kind of healthcare rights they're not allowed to marry here it's going to be difficult to find a job so that's a lot of the problems they are facing right now and of course this whole ordeal this whole story has put the spotlight on this that this fate of the stateless people here in thailand nearly five hundred thousand people in thailand are stateless and the government of course is trying to speed up the process for these boys because all the eyes of the world and now around them but many people are wondering what happens to all the honors now as you say this was a message draw very unfair and not only to cause the entire world but it particularly gripped everybody didn't it within the country within thailand and now offering the country an amazing moment to feel good now that works very well for

the authorities doesn't it because they seem to have done an excellent efficient job of rescuing all that all of these boys and presumably they're hoping that the sense of unity stays with the country. exactly it's that sense of unity but also yeah we shouldn't forget we're we're having a military government here in thailand and they have been under a lot of pressure also to come up with the election surged in the next year of course this event is very good for they are p.r. and they've been using it also for the. for their purpose quite well and that's something that we've been seeing in the last couple of weeks when they have been orchestrating everything minute by minute basically but they have done an extraordinary job and also the governor the former governor of china has been leading this whole rescue operation has been doing a really great job there's actually a mural made called the hero which is in chiang rai and i saw it earlier and of

course the government government has a big place in that mural but also we shouldn't forget the navy diver someone. who has passed away during the rush operation us trying to put oxygen tanks in place before this big operation could start and the international diving teams could take the boys out one by one and then he sadly passed away so of course he's also being remembered here today and he will get a statue he's been called a hero so it's a story of many heroes actually today absolutely and so do we have any indication i know it's early days or to have any indication as to what these boys are going to go on to do particularly of course the twenty five year old who by all accounts has been absolutely heroic and has been recognized as such. absolutely at the twenty five year old coach is definitely one of the big heroes of this story what we know so far of the boys is that they will be mumps and that's

a very interesting development of course looking at their experience in the cave they will be monks going into a sort of retreat from next week and they will stay there for around nine days they're actually too young to be monks here you have to be twenty years old and it's something that the thai boys have done a lot in the past to to spend some time in a monastery to manning tape so these boys want to do that quite early in life we shouldn't forget they're only eleven until seventeen years old but i want to do that to pay. tribute also to the cave di for the time a rescue diver who actually has passed away so that's one of the things that we'll be doing as well but of course they also will play a lot of football i'm sure because that's something that they are really passionate about and they really have missed that i'm sure and i'm sure they really really regret the timing of all of this because of course they they they were invited were they to the world cup and they weren't able to go they weren't well enough to

travel exactly. well they really wanted to go actually to far to separate really want them to go but then the hospital authorities and the government didn't allow them so i'm sure they were well enough to go anyway and it's interesting very interesting that boys as young as this are considering. going into a kind of rich a treat into a buddhist temple and you say that something that typo is quite often quite regularly do that something that you wouldn't find in the west at all wondering whether the spiritual qualities of buddhism will actually help these boys recuperate. exactly i think while they were in the cave and they were learning how to meditate they have totally appreciated the spirit the spirituality of this whole story of course also people who have been following it from outside the cave there was a lot of a praying for meditating they also believe that the cave had a very special powers basically so of course this whole spiritual side of the story

is very important for people here in thailand and it's very important for these boys i think to get more into that and get more knowledge of that i'm sure that's one of the lessons they have been taking away from their ordeal and finally step clearly this is going to move the hallmarks of making a wonderful hollywood movie has there and we heard of there being any kind of offers or suggestions put forward to the boys yet. well actually before they even were rescued the. already producers from hollywood as seen at the cave so it's that urgent apparently to make a movie out of this story but there's also word of a chinese producer interested in making a movie sort of it's going to be some kind of competition here i think who's going to be the first to actually release the movie of this unbelievable incredible story . service and thank you very much indeed for talking us through this remarkable end

to this stage of the story of the child ribal as the boys who were rescued from that extraordinary cave ordeal now google has been hit with another fine by the european union this time it's around five billion dollars and that's a record this is the e.u. competition commissioner margret vest argus she's speaking and she's just announced the fine in brussels search engines between it's been investigating contracts with phone manufacturers forcing them to pre-install google services on to android devices the u.s. company used by billions of internet users was fined two and a half billion dollars last year in a separate he used investigation into monopolies let's get some more on this from a correspondent paul brennan who's in london and be monitoring this so this is a fairly hefty fine a slap on the wrist for google but the e.u.

couldn't go much further couldn't they. because they could i mean they are and they will if google doesn't capitulate on this one the best the. threatening that if google doesn't. mend its ways and make amends within ninety days there will be further penalty payments. imposed over and above the approximate five billion dollar fine that she's announcing in brussels right now i mean the background to it is you as you hinted at there is google in the e.u. is opinion abusing its dominance in the smartphone market and imposing unfair conditions on smartphone manufacturers in relation to the google search engine google play store which is where you go to download your android apps and also the chrome. internet operating its google bundles all those together

it insists that they are pre-installed on android devices and it really doesn't allow access to those that would like to use what's called forked versions of android that is versions that you can strip out some of the google elements customize it yourself google all the publishers some of the android when it gives a new version of android it gives some open source code it doesn't give the the amount of code the detail of code that's necessary for full for versions to be made and what margaret said is basically google has obstructed development of rival search engines denied rivals the chance to innovate and compete on their merits and she said that is illegal under e.u. trade antitrust law and there wasn't this a similar kind of finding against microsoft some years back and presumably this is going to be a real warning to all the tech companies who want to ply their trade in the european union in future. well it's

a difficult one because what has happened is there's been consolidation in the industry over the period of the years and there is a case that's going to be going to the u.s. supreme court for example our port the other big player in all of this you know the apple app store there's a course called a case called paul versus pepper and that's essentially whether the apple ice the apple app store is too dominant within its markets certainly regulators are very aware that these big tech companies have grown huge over the past years that consumers frankly have been comfortable to let them grow huge as margaret press there has been saying that consumers are all too happy to take whatever is pre-installed on their phones regardless of whether it's bad for industry and the regulators in our going to look at whether the they should be broken up in the interests of consumers all right thanks for that paul brennan correspondent live

from london now passage of flights between ethiopia and eritrea have resumed after two day decades of being stopped because of conflicts between the two countries the first ethiopian airlines flight to eritreans capital asmara took off from madison the former ethiopian prime minister haile mariam desolate and he's among the passengers on the first flight this is the latest move aimed at normalizing relations a week after base leaders agreed to if an embassy is to develop ports and to restart. the holiday has more from the runway and that is have a. the false media is here to witness what is being hailed as history the first flight in twenty years from august to the editor and couple of. the poster does on board this is more than a flight that is the mission of must. twenty years most of them were separated from their loved ones by the war on the eve of the war if you'll be expelled follow them

off that it turns on a trip to the same separating families now we spoke to some of the people on board the young woman separate them with their families for more than two decades and with the thing is that they have not been able to communicate with them save for just show up let us there was something through the international red cross and most of them out of really eager to get to where their loved ones on one journalist a european state broadcaster who got separated with these. two daughters told us that he wished that this flight took just seconds or minutes so that the company with his family once again. south africa is the one hundredth anniversary of the birth of the mandela the former leader who's known as the father of the nation the ceremony in johannesburg was held in remembrance of the n.t. apostate hero who tried to united deeply divided country former u.s.

president barack obama he paid tribute to south africa's first black leader in his highest profile speech his leaving office about people around the world to respect human rights and other values which he said were now under threat. in iraq protests a continuing despite a promise by the prime minister to create jobs and improve public services the armrest began in the all rich province of pastor last week and to spread to several other love cities in the south demonstrators are angry about government corruption and the mismanagement of the oil funds. in the paramilitary supporters of the government assumed a stronghold of opposition protests as at least two people were killed and dozens more were injured in the besieged city of messiah three months of anti-government protests that killed at least two hundred seventy five people president danielle taylor is accused of overseeing widespread human rights abuses. tens of

thousands of russian orthodox worshippers of monks a hundred years since the execution of the royal family are a challenge reports now on the modern legacy of the murders the one hundred years on russia's faithful still mark the date and in this sent ten or a year the crowds in here catherine burke are especially large first communion at the church on the blood standing at the site of the remodeled execution then a twenty one kilometer procession where the bodies were first buried for these worshipers rushes last saw is a martyr here he's an example of a highly spiritual man noble who suffered through all of this but remains a real human being nothing broken down to use force. or lucian descended into a chaotic civil war the captive imperial family were moved from sin petersburg to central russia on the night of july the sixteenth one thousand nine hundred eighteen they were awoken by bolshevik guards led down to

a cellar and was shot and benetta to death for much of the soviet period discussion of the remodels was forbidden now multimedia projects like this from a state broadcaster and the federal archive a publishing past. but the ultimate fate of the three hundred year denotes the that time russia from a fragmented northern european backwater into a pan continental empire still brings up disagreements. internal rifts mean the russian orthodox church is still reluctant to recognise as authentic what forensic experts have long believed to be the romano's remains canonized in two thousand there's his family and now saints and symbols the church uses to preach the conservatism and self-reliance it wants russia to adhere to unite. he says here we will no promises of a new happy life or support from outside allegedly by more educated advanced people

who must tempt our people. but while the states has venerated other russian princes an emperor has recently the symbols of a strong and resilient russia i'm list maria lipman says this last is one of the reason falls out. that nicolas the second is not an achiever he's a failure he lost his hand parker lost his family lost his life old russia was no war so to put in he is not an especially. attractive or a proper hero disagreement over the remount of this is one of the many examples of the difficulty russia has in reconciling with his bloody past will reach alan's al-jazeera oscar. time to take a look at the top stories here at al-jazeera the thai football team this went

eighteen days underground speaking to the media for the first time they've just been discharged from hospital after moving a week of assessments by doctors the boys trapped inside a flooded underground cave on june the twenty first third until they were rescued last week. if i do say that's how residents are describing the latest syrian government offensive in the southern province of durai have been dozens of ass strikes and shelling targeting the city of now wa a hospital is among the buildings hit now as the largest urban center the cylinder rebel control in the south of the country seventy deca has more now from the nearby israeli occupied golan heights. what you're seeing in the distance which is there strikes is the syrian government. along this border you have peace they cannot get any they can't cross so they're hoping being this close to the fence that they're at least safe from airstrikes but certainly from what we've been seeing play out here in the last couple of hours is that you are also seeing military

action probably about a kilometer from where those people are so that certainly must be absolutely terrible for. the e.u. has announced a five billion dollar fine on google investigators have been looking into a contract with phone manufacturers which folsom to pre-install and google services on android services u.s. companies used by billions of into that uses find two and a half million dollars last year in a separate investigation into monopolies who says it will appeal. in iraq process a continuing despite a promise by the prime minister to create jobs and improve public services the armrests began in the old rich province of bowzer last week and has spread to several other lost cities in the south demonstrators are angry about government corruption and mismanagement of oil funds and the. government supporters and police have stormed an opposition stronghold at the center of protest against the president at least two people were killed and dozens more injured in messiah months

of anti-government protests have killed at least two hundred seventy five people and widespread human rights abuses are alleged to have occurred right up today those are the latest headlines from us here at al-jazeera coming up next inside story. a step towards a brighter future that still trump's assessment of his summit with plotting their roots in helsinki but he faces strong criticism over his stance on annexing meddling what will be the summits legacy and is there a new world order being formed this is inside story.

and either welcome to the program on oracle direct open and deeply productive dialogue that's how u.s. president donald trump describes his controversial summit with the russian leader vladimir the two men said they touched on a wide range of international and regional issues during their private meeting in helsinki on monday but one particular topic has overshadowed the talks russia's meddling in the two thousand and sixteen u.s. presidential election which has been confirmed by the u.s. intelligence community and congress will begin our discussion in just a moment but first is out of. space in helsinki. face to face ahead of a solo meeting a meeting that lasted over two and a half hours but if you were hoping they would solve any of the world's problems

you'll be sorely disappointed instead when they spoke to reporters their comments were dominated by their views on the most toxic political issue in the u.s. an issue that just got more controversial as they seemed mainly to agree on it during today's meeting i addressed directly with president putin the issue of russian interference in our elections i felt this was a message best delivered in person spend a great deal of time talking about it and president putin may very well want to address it. and very strongly because he feels very strongly about it and here's an interesting idea putin then explained that idea he'd get russian authorities to interview the twelve hackers even though the allegation is they were working on behalf of those same or thoughts is or he said they could set up a joint us russian investigation team with one condition north of the witness which

was this kind of reference should be a mutual one and then we would expect that the americans would reciprocate and they've they would question the shoals including the officers of law enforcement and intelligence services of the united states whom we believe who have something to do with illegal actions on the territory of russia trump called that an incredible offer he was then asked a straight question every u.s. intelligence agency has concluded that russia did. what hu my first question for you sir is who do you believe remarkably he answered by switching to a completely different subject which is not part of the investigation hillary clinton's e-mails what happened to hillary clinton's e-mails thirty three thousand e-mails gone just gone i think in russia they wouldn't be gone so easily twenty two

months after the election he still seems determined to reaffirm the legitimacy of his win i beat hillary clinton easily the electoral college is much more advantageous for democrats as you know than it is to republicans we won the electoral college by a lot one last question was simple yes important president putin did you want president trump to win the election. yes i did because he talked about bringing the right us relationship back to normal i've lost count of the number of times over the last eighteen months that i've described comments by president trump as extraordinary but this what was supposed to be a summit between the two most powerful leaders in the world was taking things to a new level the president may have been trying to robustly make his case about the twenty sixteen election but there seems little doubt that he's only made matters worse for himself james al-jazeera helsinki.

well let's introduce our panel now and joining us from washington d.c. joel rubin former u.s. deputy assistant secretary of state and paris. an associate fellow at the french institute of international and strategic affairs and moscow. a former russian diplomat a very warm welcome to all of you just start with you because this is being called by people in america the worst summits in the history of the u.s. russia relations would you agree with that. well yes i would and i think that's an understatement as someone who served in national security positions for more than a decade i felt like it was a humiliating experience to watch the press conference yesterday the president didn't stand up for american interests or values he kowtow to vladimir putin he essentially threw the american intelligence community under the bus and said that

our intelligence assessments are not important as long as the person who committed an attack against our democracy says he didn't do it so it was a very depressing moment for those of us who've worked in national security and for the american people across party lines this is a very confusing day for americans i've got to have the very strong reaction that we're getting there from america humiliating experience jill says what's been the reaction there in russia. well in the rushes they considered that it was a very great step ahead. in concerning our russian and american relationship first of all the second russia under american to be relations degree outdated below zero. decayed so i think that this meeting demonstrate in new approach from american side and russian side.

getting pushed back for developing at this by letter liberalizations in favor or of international law in fire or world order in favor of interests of both sides i cannot say that meeting ended by that we can all of ending. by by about by trump because this. achievement is far in the interests of all humanity i think that in russia they look at this and not waiting very much from this meeting concret deals are made the latest on the grain on any other sanctions and your other regions of the world but in the russia looking at this event as a by do you need a door of up what unit is that opened by two presidents i don't even hold him on it see it or not his hand is open to some hairy hats and russia how exactly does this

benefit everyone in the wild oh. our reaction is push it if it streamed it positive and it is. going seeing was in russia and by a foreign policy is. affected by our now our position in. in the world because of the. extremely. tense tension in by letter relation we deny that states or all of the united states in world policy is that all of us for all in economy in politics and in many other things so i think that it is a big big step ahead but not mom there is no deals there is no agreement there is no some concrete the results of this meeting but it's not so important

then then seeing remy let me tell you it is made on time he then let me tie let time they listen come i do in a manner let me just move on to randy on the one hundred had that it's a humiliating experience for the u.s. on the other hand a big step ahead in the sheepman for humanity what's your take on it. well donald trump's show of defiance has been seen well as some criticism and maybe some irony on the parts of some european governments and media commands but small generally does one thing ness among european countries especially in canton intell europe to somehow appease tensions with russia it's been quite clear the past few years and these developments and sems of europe's and their policies especially in germany with the plank construction of the north stream two pipeline so at the same time europe pays for maintaining. sanctions

and trying to somehow mend size and have a two to develop economy relations. with russia and russia also has become another ments in the rising tensions between the you and the us. don't has accused germany or of being under the influence of the kremlin well obviously germany the german government also has been critical of trump unease approach to what to russia but also refusing to broaden sanctions to include d.n.a. adjacent to the larger tensions between the u.s. and e.u. and includes russia in a quite products a cool manner but more generally does does this willingness to to somehow appease tensions i mean we see trump as somewhat of a disruptive day or a one one hand in one week grammy we saw him blasting naysay and then just

a few days later busting up persimmon that's got to alarm the e.u. . well the certainly a big political game at the moment with trump criticizing european governments for their relates of low defense expenditures at the same time. getting closer to russia so there's also an economy excited to do this to this political game was put the tramp has been very critical of the was. especially of germany's traits plus. you can see that the german government is trying.