specialized areas and i think those trying to stimulate the growth of those sorts of companies as competitors and allowing them to have that level playing field may be as effective as any sort of move to break up the very large tech giants so i'm trying to trying to stimulate the sort of new emerging solutions that can be become themselves sort of many platforms and over time compete with some of the existing tech giants as you plot the future how do you think the founders of the internet would view what it's become today well i know that i think i think some of that would be and i think it's second it's not black and white i think there's a lot of very positive things have happened and i gave a presentation but through three years ago going back to there the late eighty's and i had in front of me a team of my stuff were all ages and some of them were born when i when i was starting from about one nine hundred ninety on words and some of the changes that have happened are very extraordinary when you do that by truck you say well we

didn't have a mobile phone we didn't have smart wife i we didn't have and so on in the end of the two thousand so these are incredible changes as i said they're having huge changes to mobility that will be true we weave around health sector and so on so it's benefits photos i think the internet and the internet of things if you chop locations of artificial intelligence these are all things that should be enablers for a better society and not only about making profits i think that's where we have to get that balance right in the future thanks so much for your thoughts thank you. still to come on counting the cost the commercial hunting of fin whales is under the spotlight in iceland after the death of a rare mix. the chinese president says they'll be no winners in a global trade war he's urging unity among brics nations that's brazil russia india china and south africa. has more from the annual brics summit in johannesburg.

leaders from five of the world's leading emerging markets say they are united when it comes to trade they say protectionism which is being pushed by u.s. president donald trump should be rejected. what is constant is the flare up of geopolitical conflicts and the escalation of protectionism and you need actual is a better rickly effect emerging markets and developing countries. should. we must work together with the united nations the g twenty and the world trade organization to safeguard the rules based multilateral trading system liberalise and facilitate trade and investment and reject protectionism outright. it's the first time presidents from the brics trade bloc are meeting says donald trump threatened to impose tariffs on chinese imports economists say the trade could also hurt smaller countries some theer transplants will stifle global economic growth

leaders at the bric summit say increasing global trade encourages economies of all countries to grow but emerging economies could be damaged if the u.s. imposes tariffs on certain goods but it's. impose tariffs have given brazil russia india china and south africa more reason to increase trade cooperation between them it's also force china the world's second largest economy after the united states to look for other markets to buy and sell its products china has been the most important trading partner with the u.s. so as u.s. to china on but now with leading trade tension we care in certain bad in the next few years to trade between those two countries will be heard for a wad along with a very volatile exchange rate market exchange market. for china to extend or to strengthen other relations are europe and africa is top

choices because of the share share size of those markets brics leaders in south africa have suggested and never need to be held world players discuss the differences and perhaps prevent a global trade war but that to happen all parties have to agree to come to the table and try to find a balance between promoting national interests and those of the global community al-jazeera went to visit a technology harbin sao paolo to talk to experts who believe brics can provide an alternative way forward for emerging economies daniel schorr and the reports. brazil believes it has the solutions to many of the problem shared by its fellow brics members such as in medicine and aviation all major developing economies home to forty percent of the world's population with a vision that most would agree is straining to fulfil its potential the world is becoming less western what less concentrated less homogeneous and it would be

better even for the world to leave space for breaks countries to make visit friends and even have more power and control this transition to a world that is still as westernized all five brix members are looking to their strengths to see what they can best contribute to the growth of their alliance brazil has this technology hub outside sao paolo. believe that to have many benefits were explored. more deeply this is globalization an example is the surveillance balloon operated by one person for monitoring large spaces big events and to our surprise even our own interview with one of the project developers it is brings up a zillion produced and by no likes i believe the olympic games we have other olympic games that have a word curbs and a lot of evidence a persistent monitoring. to do the survivor stuff to do it with a bullet absorbent skin it's also ideal for monitoring illegal deforestation and

poaching while we were here it spotted the nearby fire it's manufacturers believe it can thrive in south africa india or russia brazil's technological future is here developing the technological innovations that they believe will be of interest to most sell for their partners in brics and beyond. all five brics members have their problems brazil struggling to emerge from recession china in a trade war with the us all searching for a shared solutions when we start working together i think we can all grow together and the thing that i think i see brazil offering for this is the talent and the flexibility and the open mind that brazil has. now perhaps the tenth bric summit all members will play to their strengths and embrace common interests. africa's blue world is our focus next it's a world made up of vast lakes oceans and rivers the african union calls the blue

economy the new frontier of african renaissance has been a lot of talk and forums focusing on it over the past year all of the branding around the blue economy states africa is suffering from sea blindness or not sufficiently developing its extensive marine resources lying on the ocean bed a potential sources of metals and oil and gas seabed mining however would destroy critical delicate and little understood sea life and it's those concerns about the lack of data which still persist as the efforts get underway to exploit the ocean ecosystem. thirty eight of africa's fifty four states are coastal look at the island nation of nourishes for example is one of the smallest countries in the world but it has territorial waters the size of south africa the blue economy is not confined to fishing and tourism it also includes things like transportation deep sea coastal mining and energy but there are environmental concerns

a new offshore deep sea mining industry is already taking shape in the mid be a for example vacuuming diamonds from the ocean floor proponents see a sparkling future in the ocean as on shore mineral deposits dry up while the blue economy has the capacity to provide desperately needed jobs the challenge is all about how to exploit water resources in a sustainable way environmentalists are warning more research is required to shape policies joining us now via skype from the city of mombasa in kenya is david oprah david is the director of coastal oceans research and development in the indian ocean cordier as it's known east africa good to have you earth david so a lot of focus right now on the so-called blue economy is it more than just the rebranding of marine exploitation. yes it's a it is much more than that. the glue economy is we trying to get his word

sustainable because really the economy is about using utilizing that ocean because also this sustainably without damaging and this is really there are waves of huge deep sea mining of hydrocarbons diamonds for example still problematic right yes it still problematic but you know it's still a long time into the future particularly in our region the west indian ocean deep sea mining i think the technologies and the incentives of the prices to really extract those minerals as far as the feature it's most closely with national gas in mozambique while there are huge lines of national gas and several companies moving . theirs but that has transparency implications countries around mozambique and very strong and most of the or the there are many systems in that resources so there's a lot of talk about it the fishing hogs i think experience

a step change or transformation and awareness around economic planning to really make a difference but there's a lot of also pushing in that direction put it into perspective for us david taught extent does africa's marine resources have the potential to completely transform life on the continent as we know it. well it's a hard thing to convey. the african union is taking that very strong weight which i think is right you know fifty years planning asked twenty sixty three that the relevance of the concept should come from the sea and can happen to see. it can happen because we today as i said it's a transformation we need to really transform the way sex is each other and the freedom of speech and also appreciation by the economic corpus powers that the values generated. systems are assets that can be taxed and you need to manage sustainably just like that manager has found some sort of catalyst so that you

don't destroy it while you. where will the massive investment come from i mean a lot of this needs a lot of money pouring into infrastructural projects in an environment where reform is really needed political regulatory even legal right yes it's very nice to be i mean the legal systems and regulatory systems are not really up to sachin in most countries and we build a major search area assets like railways or our quarks and things like that without really appropriate strategic assessments of the environments and other assets that are part of a simple structure for that and they say the money is there to invest means things into china or other sources as well. but to have that money invested in the ways that image major assets important to their projects as well as for the set it's

a very nice change we need to change in the next ten to twenty years otherwise a lot of damage. and finally what about on the educational level is enough being done to reeducate people on how to manage and even to regard one's marine resources . or education from it's enough isn't there i mean see so on there you know behind a lot of other parities most africans minds and mentalities countries down to individuals and we need to transform that i think awareness about climate change and the ocean connections are aware of plastics and oceans lucian's is really all fronts in the last year so we're trying to ride this wave get better awareness and then get the education. bill americans the regularly and sounding from a feel. or act which i think you thanks so much david.

and finally iceland's whaling industry is under the spotlight once again after a cross between the protected blue whale and a fin well was killed them brought to shore for processing hybrid whale meat cannot be exported now there are increasing calls for the industry to be finally banned in the country nick clark reports from reykjavik. iceland has much to boast of when it comes to natural resources its dramatic scenery and geothermal springs draw tourists in their millions and there's the marine environment to tens of thousands of people go whale watching every year there's even a whale museum where you can immerse yourself in an ocean of life size whale replicas the one thing iceland tries not to publicize too much is the fact that whales are still killed commercially here which in rage is a big sector of society doing these they are going to steps backwards into the biking times and the whaling nowadays especially well not just in iceland but the

whaling in iceland show that people is not doesn't have a low buzz they really think to show the world that they are so it's something of a p.r. disaster when photographs like this appear what is suggested to be a highly endangered and protected blue whale killed and brought back to shore for processing d.n.a. sampling has since shown the whale was in fact a rare hybrid between a fin well for its icelandic whalers do have a quota and the ben and blue whale kristen loves him he runs the company that killed the whale says his whalers acted in good faith their way is working for us they've been doing it for decades and to be. here and when we approached them received. in which. they went after news one i think for one hour there is no question in my mind. nothing else when it was taken but turned out to be a hybrid these are images of

a fin well being legally processed at the whaling station most of the products are exported to japan the killing of the hybrid well which is banned from export has led to more coolness for the industry to be finally halted in iceland this hunting is very inaccurate they cannot know the difference between a high powered bluefin wage and in which they cannot make a distinction that's what they say between the two so you know for that sake they should absolutely stop it. so this is workable as to where the ships come in from the ocean with their catch and take it up the fuel to the processing plant. one hundred days between june and september and this year they have a quota of one hundred sixty one fin whales it's an activity that has drilling support among so icelanders ten years ago about seventy percent of the population were in favor of whaling today that figure is more like fifty fifty and as tourists seek out whales alive in the wild still there's

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