to the recent outbreak that killed thirty three people. the u.s. is planning to impose even higher tariffs on chinese imports upping the ante from ten percent to twenty five percent oppose levy will cover two hundred billion dollars worth of goods tariffs are already being imposed on thirty four billion dollars worth of chinese imports present trump accuses china of unfair trade practices is putting pressure on beijing to reform. california's governor is pledging to spend whatever it takes to contain the wildfires sweeping the u.s. state eight people have been killed in the past week and tens of thousands have had to leave their homes california has already spent one hundred thirty million dollars fighting the flames that's one quarter of its annual fire budget some just orderly one thousand two hundred square kilometers of land you have to say now with all the headlines we're back with more news here on al-jazeera after the street. a controversial liberal i am not an idealogue let me be absolutely clear to democracy

and international development doesn't cut inequality in fact the increase i was from a bestselling author and distinguished global economist you don't know because the greens like you do and i sure do many terms of one having read my book yet how many men might know a bit of the committee his son goes head to head we've done the same way you have been accused of being crazy i'm not back point the on al-jazeera. i am for me ok and you in the stream today why is the us government run detention center at guantanamo bay is still open we explore why years after nine eleven some people remain jailed at the facility despite never being charged with any crime imo they could be and we are now live on you tube still leave your comments in the shop for us to include in the conversation this morning i watch president obama talking

about get right. which by the way which by the way we are keeping open which we are keeping. and we're going to load it up with believe me we're going to load it up. that's why they say donald trump speaking in twenty sixteen about president obama's plan to shut down the prison complex at guantanamo bay in january of this year president trump reversed the bomb as executive order to close the facility he reiterated its importance to the so-called war on terror at the state of the union address. to ensure that in the fight against isis and. we continue to have all necessary power to detain terrorists wherever we chase them. where ever we find. and in many cases them it will now be one turn and. in july lawyers for a kuantan of inmates who have never been charged with

a crime in which the case challenging their detention joining us now via skype in new york is one of those lawyers potus is a senior attorney for the center for constitutional rights also joining us right here in our studio so watch me is an editor with the washington examiner lawrence korb senior fellow for the center for american progress he's also the former u.s. assistant secretary of defense and in london was a bank is a former guantanamo prisoner and now the director of outreach for cage an organization advocating for rights of people held unjustly in the war on terror hello everybody it's good to have you here party is this idea of who is left in guantanamo bay if the public are not following this if it's ages since they seen a headline what would you tell them he's still there it's largely. been. over sixteen years. people go. to great charges against.

crimes are very true. and men who are and shouldn't be released as a matter. of security was. larry parr just mentioned that some have been there for sixteen years i think one of the biggest topics of conversation among our community when we told them are doing this is what is the treatment like now because of course when you think of guantanamo a lot of people think of torture and i want to read you two tweets here says the conditions are in many ways harsher than those reserved for the most dangerous convicted criminals in the u.s. windowless cells no opportunity for human interaction and another person who is actually a lawyer out us says the u.n. human rights reiterated in january that torture abounds and detainees should be released for treatment torture is that something that is still going on here and on

and on fortunately it is and i think the real problem is that nobody's paying attention to it anymore we first heard the stories of torture back during the bush administration everybody was outraged in the u.s. and around the world but it's sort of fallen off the radar there's only forty prisoners left as opposed to like eight hundred we had almost eight hundred at one time and the real problem is that this is rather than stopping terrorism it's creating it because comes a rallying cry for people who say i ought to go against the united states because what they're not doing or what they are doing in guantanamo how do you know that larry how do you know it's a rallying cry well i think the way you know it is if you monitor what these groups like isis or the remnants of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula this is something they bring up now is not the only thing but the fact of the matter is that we had this struggle against you know terrorists we will only win when we could vince

people that what they are saying and why they want to go against sausan our allies is the wrong thing to do and one of the things the chemical larry's point is that when focusing on terrorism and the detainees who have not who have either for. serve the full term were charged convicted and are scheduled for release. this struggle is in the bureaucracy of government in trying to find detention facilities or even rehabilitation facilities are able to take on those really scheduled to be released detainees and you know we talk a lot about in washington about this concept of the deep state you know the overarching government this bureaucracy and there are many forces within the government that simply don't want to have these individuals released so i want to play a little clip from a film called a documentary film called the confession it talks about your story at the beginning it tells what happened to you what it was like for you because you've told your

story so many times i want to do it via this little bit of a trial as i have a look at this this is the beginning of the trial or the confession. it was midnight this. would. be my hands behind my back that was that i woke up. was him back from terming and was arrested by the cia is now being held at guantanamo bay in cuba. never being convicted of any crime and then you hear about this bureaucracy the paperwork we don't know where to put people this is sixteen years later was and what do you have to add to. the situation and get my right now how do you see it. well some of the work that i've been doing with my organization zation cage has

been documenting and speaking to a lot of that's what prisons around the world in clean clothing for example a very close friend of mine shakur armory was held for fourteen years without charge or trial lawyers only help the three so i'm a relative novice in comparison to him and the first thing i have to say about what's what's happened to these guys is you know there's all this issue about the definitions of torture that happened in the bush administration that if it wasn't organ failure or test according to the most senior legal advisor to the government then it wasn't torture and then you had obama coming along saying that even though we tortured some folks that torture those torturers would not be prosecuted united states did a senate report on torture which admitted bizarrely that they tortured at least one hundred one thousand people no prosecutions and that's why today you have a president who says i believe torture works i would want war and a lot more i want a lot of kuantan and more with more prisoners and and so you've got this return in fact you know the bush administration never said yes we agree would torture they

simply called it enhanced interrogation techniques what you have today is an administration led by a man who says he would torture and continue and believes in torture and the aspects of torture of course all the physical parts that we've repeated so many times but the greatest torture is to be held without charge or trial for a crime that you haven't been been told that you committed and in the midst of all of that you've got the destroyed lives of people those who've been returned and resettled of the of of amongst those i've come myself fortunate and british born and raised here but there are people like the weakest for example from eastern took a stand in china who'd been sent to places like el salvador palau. you know a place in the europe why in a place they have no connection to no language skills no ability to communicate no history no culture and they're supposed to so that pick up their lives and return to why. in children that have grown up without them in some cases not even being up to recognize their sons and there's no there's been no sense of redress in any way

by the united states of america produce destroyed life so like larry said when these images and stories go back to other people and groups like isis they say look what they did to these guys that's the land of justice that's london freedom democracy they have headless corpus and magna carta as part of the constitution but in reality they also have kuantan i'm. just asking a follower do you think the detainment of. a lot of individuals who have either been connected in some way shape or form to a lot of these terrorist organizations do you think that they're indefinite the tame in pushes people who are even learning on the wires of being on the edge of you know joining a group like isis do you think kuantan will be is the tipping point for that pushes them over the. the good the really good question i like the question the first thing i would say out of all the constant reasons i do them it's not meant but

hundreds since my release. i've not come across any perhaps one or two who support isis or the idea of isis and that's because isis makes al-qaeda look relatively tame. and the other thing is that what you have seen in iraq i've done it twice i've made appeals for hostages including british and american hostages to be released because i saw them dressed in orange jumpsuits and they were threatening to and did in some occasions execute these men now why did they dress them in orange that's not a natural color of prisoners in iraq and and and harnessed on and so forth the reason why was to show some kind of connection some kind of tangible link between their cause and the cause of the prisoners in guantanamo so you're both right in saying that it has been a horse of course elaborate for some of these guys but it doesn't detract from the fact that what you've got happening is something that that hasn't stopped over

fourteen years fifteen years sixty six sixteen years it's continued it's proliferating and with. with trump saying he's going to keep kuantan him open that's the only next step is that isis prisoners will be sent to guantanamo and if that happens you just turn the clock back and learned nothing over the past sixteen years where you know two former commandant of the marine corps general poor can hor they wrote an op ed saying exactly this that this is hurting our sin. well these are marines ok who have fought and died for the country and they they agree with that and that's why aside from the moral thing which is just a porn so we don't stick up for our own moral principles the fact is it's hurting our security and a lot of people that have been released there are like in the u.a.e. we don't know where they are what are they doing what are they up to so i mean it's even worse than you would think you know looking at the situation i want to bring

in a viewer and comment this is from a teacher a high school history teacher and sandiego who wrote this piece for teen vogue take a look at my screen here guantanamo bay explained he writes i think all americans should know what our country has done and to whom he sent us a video about what it is he tells his students about one tunnel based some of that many of them actually who were born after the detention center was set up and so therefore do not know about guantanamo and have never heard of it here's what he told the stream even if most people have heard of it the images that come to mind are usually orange jumpsuits barbed wire most people couldn't tell you the name of a single person was kept there it's a it's a dehumanizing place i had the opportunity to meet two man locked up with stuff here who were detained in guantanamo bay who later established their innocence when they're free and i make

a plan i think it's important that i share their stories that i share in their their pictures with my students and at the end of the day i would want them to my students to think for themselves about our policy toward want to know what our policy ought to be. but i think. it's important that they understand this isn't some abstract issue. what we're doing there we're doing actual human beings with actual families. whose lives are need to pay attention to their stories. and because he wants to share their stories he included two pictures he sent the people that he's worked with this one locked are in and another person most dear who were released just want to go to you because in this attempt to make sure that americans know what is happening in their country and being done by their government you are working on behalf of at least eleven men who are still detained

what are their stories what do you want the world to know about them. what i want to say is a sub the error code for the teachers all right i think all of this i doubt i'll never but watch how despite everything you know add all the gains we've had. you know the government still largely controls the narrative about the met brain and that was because it's what thomas a remote prison because of secrecy that still surrounds the prison because of the fact that reporters who've been covering this for decades for over a techie a still cannot meet face to face with the seemed to cheney or communicate and in person every time i go to the notes that i take my meetings are censored and still search a censored redacted version is what i can talk about publicly so it's just it's a crucial point that it's not only to humanize distance and secrecy and lack of access that's still surrounds the president has everything to do about you know

this narrative the government are proponents of for technical people who are in support of keeping it open and. who remain as the worst the worst how they are able to continue that narrative and how it's able to continue to take hold in the public because still in two thousand and eight seeing that kind of basic access to internet i mean it's not there and their stories cannot get out and so it ends up being it's a debate between what the lawyers say and what the government's lawyers say you know what the defense lawyer saying and the government the government versus us and in many cases it's hard for us to win the other governments were trumps in court often and in terms of the public. so that's just it's a really crucial point to understand where we are still in two thousand and eighteen and i'm going to represent i'll talk about some of them one is that are. i get me mad he's forty three his name a search area hans he's been in u.s. custody for over sixteen years for charge the government has long to determine if

it has evidence that he committed a crime and charge him because i know he's someone the government will probably never charge and according to its position in court it believes it has already told him perpetually are essentially for a place without charge but to this theory that the u.s. continues to be the same armed conflicts that it quiets seventeen years ago the time it was captured that extends world wide it extends to unspecified concentrate more seeing new or new groups new terrorist groups that didn't exist the time of nine eleven and they have nothing to do with them and they continue to consume the whole time for as long as the fighting continues which in its theory is when al qaeda or use terror is for certain enter the united states which just totally unrealistic i mean governments lawyer stood up in court or argument on our challenge recent right. and the government's lawyer searching for insight we could to change management how much or hundred years if we had this year we have had

a history so that's the position it's taking forever man who made a decision seventeen years ago when he was in his twenty's to go to afghanistan there's never been a way to approach spin it any actual violence he's never been alleged to have carried a weapon. against the united states or its allies but it could be a student who is looking at life a life sentence search so i'm thinking that part of the reason this is happening because no outcry from the american public. and it's not a particular behavior is not of my own that it's a priority is can you explain that right international right so with respect to national security and or the company ministrations says they you know come at it from a position of being very strong on national security. keeping a. facility like one town will be open is a symbol of that is this a level of significance and rebuking the obama administration agenda of trying to

close it and keeping it open and trying to fill as many people with as possible whether they are charged with an actual crime or not of course you know the obama administration ran into a lot of red tape with respect to closing it because there were not many u.s. prisons or any people that wanted them to be transferred to the united states remind people what happened to president obama. and then you see me twenty thirteen and you see me twenty sixteen have a look. the idea that we would still maintain forever. a group of individuals who have not been tried that is contrary to who we are it is contrary interests and in these distress true that i have not been able to close the door and.