i know there are a calendar hog of the top stories here on al-jazeera turkey's president has vowed to defy what he calls u.s. threats to his country's economy but one speech follows an opinion piece of a new york times warning that the u.s. must respect archy's of n.t. or their partnership could be in jeopardy here but this country would seek a new friends and allies if u.s. pressure continues as president will trumpet out this week that he would double steel and aluminum tariffs on turkey so i'm considerably reports from istanbul. turkey as president for just a prior to an address this large rally and have this message for his citizens. if there is anyone who has dollars euros or gold. as you go exchange for lirot at our

banks this is the national domestic battle this will be my people's response to those who have wage an economic war against us turkey's currency has lost more than thirty per cent of its value so far this year at least fifty percent of that was just some thursday night the turkish going to be has been struggling for a few years of recombination of several financial and political factors the lira tumbled even faster after just presidential election which gave all executive powers to president our john i wish that. or mr and his you know eighteen would be very very ready to hear a robust economy program day after they have been elected it's all fortunately there a little bit later on that as a growing about fragile economy the lira was not protected against any current suspect lation especially after the two thousand and sixteen failed coup and

turkey's continued dispute with the united states over a variety of issues has not made things easy the most urgent disagreement has been is the tension of an american pastor named andrew branson who is on trial on terrorism charges there is a currency crisis kind of. by the geopolitical risks which is all new sleep used by the american foreign policy this is you makers another factor is turkey's unwillingness to join the recent us sanctions against iran turkey buys energy from iran along with john now the crisis is being felt approach with investors selling of shares in european things generally have bigger exposure to the turkish kaname the dispute was supposed to ease as delegates from both sides gathered in washington this week but it didn't and it went to went further turks say the united states is trying to beat them with a financial stick and some even believe it's just a political move by president trump head off november's critical election now it's

a question of how turkey will handle all these pressures while its currency is at ten all time scene up to solo al-jazeera a stumble a u.n. delegation has arrived in gaza for meetings with hamas officials are expected to discuss a cease fire proposal at least three palestinians have been killed by israeli forces during the twentieth friday of protests at the gaza border people killed was a medic who is attending to the injured russian forces in syria say they've shot down to rebel drones they say and defenses were deployed a moment base in the attack in a province no casualties or damage was reported for as a syrian state t.v. reports that an israeli drone was also shot down near damascus syrian army is threatening a major assault on the last remaining rebel held province dozens of civilians are being killed by intensifying as strikes bombing targeted parts of spilled over into

areas of western aleppo leaflets have been dropped warning people to accept government rule. jordan has confirmed an improvised explosive device was used in friday's attack in for his ministry of interior has said the homemade bomb was planted at the spot where a security bus was shuttled to park one officer was killed and six others were injured. the number of people killed in last week's earthquake in indonesia has risen to three hundred eighty seven therefore since eleven one thousand tons of aid to the badly hit island of long book food medicine tents and blankets will be given out to residents in affected areas. update now with all the headlines we're back with more news here on al-jazeera after head to head.

you know twenty seventeen the hash tag me two movement against sexual harassment and assault went viral and globe i have been silenced for twenty years. beginning with hollywood producer harvey weinstein a string of powerful men were named and shamed. and held to account over allegations of sexual offenses. sparking unprecedented debate on sexual harassment and violence yet millions of people around the world. it's a global movement that's grabbed the attention of the power meet in section today we are introducing the congress act from meet two times women and girls are calling buzy behavior my guest tonight is a feminist icon with a reputation for provocation never a stranger to controversy she emerged as one of me toos most prominent feminist

critics and caused outrage with her controversial statement on the break. so how should the issue of sexual assault be dealt with. this hash tag me to revolutionary. i'm in the house and i've come to the oxford union to go head to head with the writer and legendary feminist jermain greer to why she thinks the global me too movement against sexual harassment and assault has gone nowhere. tonight i'll also be joined by mina salami a feminist writer and speaker and the founder of the award winning pan african feminist blog afropolitan laurie penny an award winning journalist. author and feminist activist and. a columnist author and historian of gender and relationship .

later gen please put your hands together for jermain group thank you for of the seminal feminist texts the female she's been a renowned public intellectual and feminist provocateur since the one nine hundred seventy thank. jim ingrid since the harvey weinstein scandal erupted late last year oktober twenty seventeen the world has been swept by the hash tag me to campaign against sexual harassment assault violence rape feminists around the world now see me too as a major shift some say it's a game changer you have one of the biggest names in feminism have said it hasn't gone anywhere and that quote it will be extraordinary if it makes any difference at all why are you so down. and down and it's just that our if all the

talk was kicking ass and taking names and talking loud and drawing a crowd then we might have got somewhere already it's not enough to denounce the abuse of women i mean think about this. the police the new york police department has brought a criminal prosecution against harvey weinstein. on three counts. one count of rape in the first degree another count of rape in the third degree and then another an account of a criminal act in which the woman who has complained of this is known to the public eye she's associated with me too now you may say who's the first woman what we don't know why don't we know because her anonymity is being protected by the court now this is kind of weird i've been against that forever i figure you want to put

a man away for seven years show your face don't you don't be ashamed i want to get into the subject of rape and limited but before that just in the big picture because you did say it will be extraordinary that makes any difference at all that is pretty negative and pessimistic many would argue it's already made a lot of difference you look around the world congress is passing me to legislation the european parliament is debating it the world economic forum in davos put it on its agenda you have outside of the us t.v. presenters in australia orchestra conducted in switzerland politicians in south korea the defense secretary here in the united kingdom the people of other lost jobs or been named and shamed or in certain cases prosecuted you can say that's nothing new. i look at what's happening now that we're now have women claiming sexual harassment sexual assault sexual this and that the first question to ask is what took you so long in most cases the statute of limitations has already passed

and these people who are supposed to have performed these acts cannot be prosecuted this already became clear even in the case of bill cosby they can only find one case which would already been heard in a civil case to actually bring against him now with the bill cosby was prosecuted in the in post to me to the first trial premier beattie was a mistrial a hung jury post me to he was prosecuted i watched a lot of interviews of yours preparing for this i read a lot of interviews with what you do is you're very good at criticizing your great critique i don't hear the solutions let's say what did you have to give do if you're saying the winds are all are right well well they never found us right out there in the rain the coroner going to i would argue your notes here at home probably do want to know are you saying that weinstein should have been prosecuted bill cosby should have been prosecuted because you're going to saying what's wrong with all these trolls but a lot of people see them as victories for me too and for feminism they haven't been victories for anybody sexual assault continues abuse of women from what's wrong here you get rid of all sexual assault we don't prosecute bill cosby it's

a bizarre going away a minute your persecuting a man in his eighty's who has been offending for sixty years but look what kind of a trial for said let's go to our panel laurie penny user award winning feminist writer all activist you jumping up wanting to come in there i just want to look it's only been six months patriarchy has been around for a very very very long time and this is kind of a assume as women start doing something together certainly is that why haven't you changed the entire world it is been only just over six months i think there's a long there's a long gap in the here but also you asked what took you so long write it is fear of a legitimate. fear of the social consequences of speaking up against rape and what has happened in the past few months is we've seen this see change where women and girls are suddenly able to come together and compare notes and support one another that's what's changed to me to respond to them i was spoken out about rape and about my own rape and i did it many many years ago when i was nineteen years old

i'm now eighteen it's not true we haven't been there we've never been here before we have been and we've got nowhere we've got nowhere because the most upside down the lure is if you'll pardon the expression cockeye the most important thing for it to do is defend the defendant against the malicious allegations of other people and there is a legal obligation to do that if the meeting was never just about legal solutions though i mean i don't know where to yes of course but look i don't need to have to have somebody convicted in a court of law of rape to say i don't want to invite that guy to my party i don't want to work with that project you know this is also about creating social consequences and creating new social norms and that is a big important thing that's changed is always trimble is a historian of gender and relationship she's a columnist for the sunday telegraph. well i definitely see what laurie is saying

and i don't disagree but i just wanted to say that i think there's absolutely a place for jermaine to pour cold water on this movement that's you know if you're going to be someone who's sort of smiled upon by a kind of polite society you must say it's absolute the best thing since sliced bread jermaine's job is to be a critic and i think you should absolutely be criticizing it i also think that other kinds of threats that a lot of women encounter frankly on the street at night and is me to actually reaching those perpetrators as me to helping those women who are kind of facing domestic violence all the time so i think i think i think you're reading the right to question the efficacy and mina salami is a feminist writer blogger founder of the award winning pan african blog this for politan. talks about why did it take them so long and the whole anonymity issue where do you stand on that. the point is not wait so long or what a woman war or what her sexual history is which is which are not claims you've been making but i'm just saying that it's a similar type of question we're always avoiding focusing on the actual crime and it's incredibly unfair to suggest that me too has not been tremendously impactful i

mean for me too is definitely one of the feminist speaks and i think it's unprecedented in one way specifically which is that it is bringing home these conversations into our intimate spaces with me to unless you've been living under a rock you cannot avoid having these conversations with your partners with your father with our fathers with our uncles sons etc and that is really unprecedented and as a as in really unprecedented i think it is you're talking about oh we need to concentrate on rape as a crime now most of the people in this country do not believe that known consensual sex is rape they think it has to be violent wrong it doesn't larry think bill it is uncommon monstrous done by outsiders doesn't matter what they believe because in the court of law it is a crime accepted isn't you will not one car it's consensual sex is that right hang

on just a minute you will not find the millions of women who had nonconsensual sex last night with their partners fronting up at the police station it never happens and the longest struggle when it came to trying to rationalize the lore of rape which is amiss was the one on whether it was possible to rape your own wife that was not decided in some american states until nineteen ninety four but the fact is it hasn't changed the law but that's why me too is so effective because women are so as faking about again it's not affective what do you propose instead what is effective. i would i well there are many things that could be affected but we won't through them. we have teenage girls who have never had an orgasm who have no idea why they're even doing it because the pressure on them to have a partner is so great somehow we have got to rescue the institution of heteros sex

from the mess it is in and that is partly brought about by pornography prostitution commercialization and the cheapening of everything about a woman's body but i'm getting a lot of people who wouldn't disagree with you including some of our panelists but again i'm waiting for a solution yes we need to do something world white on dear boy i'm not can we start it's easy to be a bomb thrower i'm asking for what we need to you say it doesn't work it's not unprecedented i'm asking you what's come before me too that was similar in your view and b what would you do instead is two very simple questions and we are in is now unsafe situation we have unsafe convictions and we have other marauders like harvey weinstein apparently able to operate with complete impunity not because he is who in years but because he is surrounded by people who are scared of him and this is this is very much bigger problem so you have to rein here's what all of us

harvey weinstein the marauder is now facing trolls are real ask another one of my questions apologies do you support the prosecution of harvey weinstein and bill cosby regarded as too successes. for me too well they're not successes yet one was found guilty and one is now being prosecuted for the first time to say well having the army of people pretend they'll be in the pill in the case of cosby and you want to you want to have him in jail half blind him is a to use after sixty years of doing what he's been doing so they're calling that a victory i think at least belongs there just seeing the guy have to face some sort of justice is a moral victory in itself i think we shouldn't discount that in a way this argument feels incoherent it really does i feel like in the twenty first century we should be living in a sexual culture where we can get beyond let's not rape each other right let's not rape each other should be a baseline you know we can do better we can actually have some sort of understanding of pleasure desire in agency so you want to have

a question why don't we in terms of your questions about solutions is there not a need to think quite pragmatically and simply about well women lack physical confidence that women are consider themselves weak men can overpower them physically after about where the rubber hits the road you know should girls be given martial arts training in school mandatory i mean are is that last kind of suite of options we should be turning to first. but in many i mean i mean it's a long history of them so let me pick up on the mark i mean you can vote carry on comedies nine hundred sixty comedies you said whether people should slap down the man who kind of harasses them instantly on the spot and stand up for themselves which kind of feeds into what is always to what do you really think that's a kind of solution yes how we got there how would that help the women who were drugged by bill cosby how would that have helped dylan farrow who was seven years old how would she have slapped down. wouldn't have helped everybody but it would have helped the people who themselves were in that situation as an ordinary woman

on the street in hopes of physical strength with the this is not. the meaning hurried out stranger rape is very rare most women who are. who complain of sexual assault know who their attacker was and is a friend of theirs and is a part of the doesn't mean they have the ability to fend off an attacker i mean harvey weinstein the case you started with harvey weinstein this it was pretty brutal with a lot of these women what are you supposed to do you're sorry i'm just wondering what were they supposed to do. where behaving as if susan brown miller had never written her book on rape and this she argues that men use the threat of rape to keep us all in continual submission and that isn't true we are all made afraid of rape and god knows why because we're more likely to be mugged then raped but isn't it strange we're not afraid of being mugged were afraid of being raped and the chance of being i was raped by a stranger and the funny thing was that i wasn't even annoyed with the amount of

zeroed stepped on the part of the bus i still don't know his name or else are suppressed it and it was nasty you know as being half unconscious and i said so that's about as bad as it gets but what i want to put away for seven years ok well this is this is where we get into church or where you can get in trouble recently some remarks people think you're downplaying the crime of rape. well yes you said recently the hay festival shouldn't always be thought of as a violent crime but as quote bad sex which many would say is not just offensive but inaccurate all for christ's sake non-consensual sex isn't always violent you can have non consensual sex with a woman who's fast asleep without even waking around what world do you people live in when i'm talking about passing people up we're talking about really destructive six where a man climbs onto his partner because he's in the bed next to him i'm actually passionately opposed to double beds they are probably more responsible for bad sex

and any other single piece of furniture. and most of the sex we are having is bad and what we know is not my the rape is bad sex. you stand by that comment it's non-consensual sex which is bad sex and it's not always violent no because many would argue that all rape is violent because it's a gross believe violation of a woman well you know yes you can argue that if you want but you're pushing a point really violent crisis in a well says this if penetrating another person's body without their consent is not an act of violence what is rape is an inherently violent crime regardless of whether external visit your beautiful injuries are sustained you better sit tell that to the traumatized women who turn up for a rape kit examination who are penetrated again and again who have blood taken have all kinds of liberties taken with them i mean and i'm about it's not about harvey weinstein masturbating in front of you believe me that's completely no we're

talking now we're talking about rape which is also accused of mean not all rape is violent and it's. sometimes violence does not just mean physically attacking someone violence is using force it's creating damage and you can create a lot of violent sexual damage when you force somebody to have sex with you i would hope that you would agree with that further when i can but you know something all the crimes in which injuries are sustained rape is the least impressive people get hurt all the time if men had to pretend to a woman that a painless walking down the street is more dangerous than a knife so it's just a knowledge you cannot just decide what one woman experiences as a great violation of her of her body and and you have been speaking about you know reducing the sentences for rape. and just a two hundred hours of community service there wasn't me when i wrote the law so

you also said to the letter are on there why not a tattoo is all right at least since it is go go out with this bloke he's got four but they're not it's interesting to clarify something you're saying you don't support reduced sentences for because you've been quoted plenty of interviews saying it should be the burden of proof should be lowered the terrorist ability to get more convictions why do you think juries can't convict. why do they sit there listening to revolting stories and when it comes to the point they can't convict one of the reasons for that is the extremity of the sentences we have them raised and raised and raised in the midst believes that more women will complain and more juries will convict the effect is the opposite you think lowering it would get more convictions well you haven't got anywhere near enough prosecutions but that's fine the speculation given you never know there's a cult lowering it would lead to more convictions might it mind you imagine we're going to make another big proposal based on nothing and no our have many would

argue that they're not convicted not because of terrorist but because i don't believe the woman and really we should be working on getting people to believe the woman well that's a problem because juries these days have women in their own no woman is ever disbelieved in the woman. who knows and now you know me better hang on a minute the really important thing to remember is that most rape if we're talking about you keep bringing this quote it's just hearing from you and you're on t.v. do you support in the u.k. in the us short of terrorists in prison maybe alternatives to prison for rapist for convicted rapist it would depend. they're not all the same you see the crimes are not all the same and the outcome is not all the same in one place or reduces another piece it depends but honestly it seems like this argument hasn't been thought through i think i see more coherence in some ways on twitter the heart of your argument seems to be that the legal system as a is is inadequate to be dealing with the problem of the problem of rape and consent and i agree with you on that basis but the meeting movement has never been

simply about the legal system the whole point is that if the legal system has failed women there is a. just that binary between doing nothing and only ever believing the guy in the shoeman that the woman is lying and you know put the guy in a box forever so yes i think we would all agree that sex is inherently full of gray areas because there are no witnesses it's highly subjective and i think one of the promise of me too has been that it's lumped a lot of things together and we've had sort of ideas of men to women and inevitably what happens is like as german so you get the you know we have such a flower centric image it's like terrifying penis is everywhere and then you get a sort of slightly victim narrative emerging for women so really just the sort of support the idea that we need to have a system in place just before it sensitive to difference is to pick up on that point for about to demean mean there's been this criticism of me too that do you.

see in too many different behaviors is that do you think that's a legitimate criticism to say well you know there's a difference between somebody groping your work and somebody raping you a lot harvey weinstein allegedly no because they're all part of the same conversation which is sexual harassment second rate sexual abuse toward women these are conversations that we haven't. historically been able to have out in the open and i become so confused with your arguments because they're completely contradictory like you say that on the one hand you have been pushing for women to come out with a first person narrative and to name themselves and surely that is what is happening with me too i mean for the first time you have hundreds of thousands of women speaking about sexual abuse that they have experienced using their personal name to. yes i agree and i agree that women should come out and take names and talk and draw a crowd and ostracize the person who is behaving badly i mean i have been teaching

in universities all my life and i know the sexual predators were in the universities i was in and there's many ways of abusing women they don't all involve the penis in fact the cleanest is the only part of a man i know what to do with frankly ok let me let me ask let me let me ask you this you say now you when you say to me you're welcome that's a good thing because come out and take names and yet just a couple of months ago you were on t.v. accusing me too of presenting women as victims and youth you should also for example if you spread your legs because he said be nice to me i'll give you a job in a movie that's tantamount to consent it's too late now to start winning about the women are winning in association to me too do you think they're presented as victims as you're quoted as saying and i mean there is a maria goretti aspect to it is i was a virtuous i forty miles and he punished me by not putting me in the movie and i'm thinking somebody stitched together for me he is the executive director of investor

in the movie he put the hard word on you you said no you didn't get a part in the movie how can you prove the things are related and the fact is you can't this is that's what the world is about people are negotiating using sexuality and using vague threats and using promises that are fake you said to him . that you welcome people taking names you said elsewhere that women are being presented as victims which is it all women being do you believe that me too is presenting women as victims or as empowered strong women coming forward to call for justice which is. well it's probably both and neither at the same time because we're not even allowed planning jail it's all in if you spend as much time working on rape as i do you know that we're not even allowed to call complainants victims anymore we have to call them survivors as if being raped was like the wreck of the titanic just fed up with the whole thing one will have to live with we're going to

take a break do join us for part two of head to head with a we're going to continue the conversation about feminism is discrimination. germany is going to be equally lively i'm sure and we've got a very patient audience here in the oxford union who are going to put their questions to so come back after the break thanks. through thanks. and new village committee has been. and is grappling with the arduous task of sustaining the community but the residents of this chinese village have grown impatient and have one concern inside . the reclamation of. democracy is complicated. to move the six party to see their window but five years. china's democracy experiment announces new. yorkers are very receptive to seeing because it is such an international city they are very interested in that global perspective that

al-jazeera is. hello again the oracle and over the top stories on al-jazeera turkey's president has vowed to defy what he calls u.s. threats to his country's economy but one speech follows an opinion piece in the new york times warning that the united states must respect the sovereignty of their partnership could be in jeopardy he wrote that his country would seek new friends and allies if u.s. pressure continues u.s. president donald trump announced this week that he would double steel and aluminum tariffs on turkey a united nations delegation has arrived in gaza for meetings with hamas officials are expected to discuss a cease fire proposal at least three palestinians have been killed by israeli forces during a twentieth friday of protests at the gaza border one of the people killed was

a medic who was attending to the injured more than three hundred others were hurt russian forces in syria say they've shot down to rebel drones and they say air defenses were deployed at the her moment air base in the town here province no casualties or damage was reported it follows a syrian state t.v. report that israeli drone was also shot down near damascus and the syrian army is threatening a major assault on the last remaining rebel held province dozens of civilians have been killed by intensifying as strikes the bombing targeted parts of its lip and spilled over into areas of western aleppo leaflets have been dropped warning people to accept government rule the un is urging all sides to deescalate. jordan has confirmed an improvised explosive device was used in friday's attack and food has the ministry of interior has said the homemade bomb was planted at the spot where the security bus was scheduled to park unit was guarding an annual

cultural festival in the city it's act of one officer dead and injured six people. number of people killed in last week's earthquake in indonesia has risen to three hundred eighty seven the air force has delivered ninety tons of aid to the badly hit island of lombok food medicine tents and blankets will be given out to residents in affected areas or those three hundred ninety thousand people are now homeless or displaced jory u.s. has asked chemical giant monsanto to pay two hundred eighty nine million dollars to a school groundskeeper as the first lawsuit to go to trial alleging life phosphate linked to cancer. you have taken out with all the headlines about more news after head to heads. thank you but thanks to head to head my guest here in the oxford union is the legendary feminist writer

intellectual author germain greer jimi we were talking about some of your more provocative claims in part one just to continue in that vein in twenty fourteen you wrote women persecute other women humiliate them and discriminate against them and that while they may not threaten to rate them quote women have more effective ways of doing other women in you yourself some of your critics would say a pretty well known for humiliating of the women you said on national television that the prime minister of australia julia gillard how do you big god and you said the nice thing about hillary clinton is a rear end quote because it's big and fat and close to the ground. i said that about hillary clinton. have no notion of her being hillary clinton's ass it's not the faintest and i don't regard it is humiliating a big arses a wondrous thing if you're the one who has trouble with the idea you think i must it's like oh some sort of blight on the one but junior prime minister of australia said your comments reinforce stereotypes of women and it frustrated that you of all

people would catapult into that kind of conduct you think it's right to judge female politicians a lot of heroes a part of a much longer conversation about clothes and prime ministers female prime ministers well seem unable to reason is loads and close male prime ministers tend to or wear the same thing and they all look the same in it so they get a pass for me no it's not important talking about it it's totally going to last effectively so you can talk about the prime minister's appearance clothes. and. i am allowed to say that if theresa may would give as much thought to break said as she gave to a necklaces. you know that you have to leave that out then we might get somewhere she must be carrying around this enormous case full of very heavy thing they look like the things the donkeys wear outside temples in india these big wooden beams just do without them get on with the job jump out of bed maybe be easy to get on with the job with some in this like yourselves weren't

focusing on her clothes appearance i don't think she gives a monkey's you rightly pointed out the ages m and sexism in western societies like the u.k. australia us and of course across the world but you've suggested also that feminism has been quote infected by ages and as well why. it's a very curious thing i spent nine hundred seventy travelling in india looking at how women lived to see whether you could grow in or thirty power and dignity as you got older as you cannot in our society even mrs thatcher got slung out like an old rerig and left government in tears no man has ever had to do that then she had to go on the elected trail while tony blair the great liar blair is rolling because he's got so many directorships and seats on boards and so on and it's always got me that we mostly identify with young sexually active women and we don't think about

what happens to all the women i mean i could i went on good morning t.v. the other day and they were talking about you know mr genea nastiness to women i had to say try playing an old woman everybody treats you like an idiot and some younger feminists while agreeing with you on this point they would say the problem is that you are may be out of touch with some of the struggles of younger feminists today in the feminist movement and they point specifically one of the most controversial issues as you know associated with you is your position on transgender women and trans rights and the idea of excluding these women from the modern feminist struggle you said i said they should be excluded from the modern feminist struggle well you're right i got used to being you've been accused of being a bit because you said they're a good quote ghastly parody driven by missile genest it believes. they're not women how is that not exclusionary one of my exploiting them from i don't understand i mean i'm i'm not a do i'm not an aborigine i'd love to be one or other or both but i'm not.

that happens to be just the way people are organized or are there i don't find your position your excuse i don't believe in a vote how many can say to me you are not a woman you're a cease woman i'm the real thing i'm very happy to believe that men make better women than women do because we know from the what it takes to turn you into a woman we used to call it conditioning nobody even mentions that anymore where you learn how to dress how to speak how to love pink and all the other things that make you a girly girl we had to learn all of those things and they are psych and they are a masquerade you've been with now we have to accept the masquerade as the thing that is more real than we are at this point as the author of i can't do anything else but surely not if you only exclusionary put aside the rights and wrongs of the issue to my excluding them from the other women when you say they're not women by definition that is exclusionary going to question that definition as well i don't

know what's the group that they're being excluded from but you stand by the position that they're not women yes i do larry plenty want to come in well i think this distinction this idea that it is some offensive to draw it to say you know you were assists woman people used to say that about the word straight people used to say oh i'm not straight people to call me straight i'm just normal those people over there are weird i think what what the trans movement today is concerned about is making it clear that there is a spectrum of gender experience and just because gender is a made up construct and is that our defective conditioning doesn't mean that it's not also a real thing that people suffer and affects people's bodies you know most trans people are not living in this stereotype you call them pantomime danes that doesn't actually reflect reality most trans people do not live like that ok let me put it stereotypical offensive to suggest that they do come in here and there does seem to be this incredibly strong reaction to the definition is this person the woman is

not and germane to. it's huge the reader no platform for sticking to one definition which other people who is very interested people when it comes down to are actually obsessed with the definition of woman i think i would also say you know i just i really worry about the fact that those there's no platform in culture and i love this conversation because what you're doing is what you're supposed to be doing which is a gauging you theoretically as feminists and you know i you can see the damage that no platforming type of thing really to the women's liberation movement nine hundred seventy s. shut everything down so you know on the issue itself the question of. exclusion do you think she's guilty of excluding people from family. absolutely when you say that they're they are not of women even though they are trans women and furthermore if you never read or heard or come across a trans woman say i have the exact same experiences assists woman they're very aware of the fact that they have unique experiences and strands women just as i am aware as a woman of african heritage that there are certain experiences that i have had that

none of i do you have had that is what runs women are saying so to to dismiss that and to dismiss that they can be women with a set of you unique experiences is absolutely exclusionary and it's don't you find it somehow dreadful that we are doing this work of exclusion and oppression that we as feminists are fighting at the same time. you know. one of the things that's been happening over the course of my life is that women who had a raw deal when i started out a getting an even worse deal now but nobody talks about it you know we can't run maternity centers where they open and close like lambs where we get sent here and yawn we can't explain miscarriage so common a catastrophe why don't we understand men a pause why don't we have a little bit of trauma as women is it but nobody says a lot about the problems over here no no what can you do with both the point is i'm

being told that i'm being exclusionary because i'm not taking on board caitlin jenner's problems i can't take them on board i'm true concerned about the woman who died in the back of an ambulance when during a crisis of post-partum psychosis because they can survive what a lot of germany in one thousand seven hundred other why not when interviews like me or others come up and say well what's your position one also you know i want to talk about why you make gratuitous offensive remarks now you can't you know you do i want to. know you can you know stuff you said i can't even say here but. that happens to be a quotation from a book called the whole woman written years ago i have not been going around making these statements that is a quotation from a whole chapter about your brain i have quoted from you from two thousand and two thousand and fifteen two thousand and eighteen when you regret for the way you've talked about this issue given this is a community which in the words of many human rights groups is facing an epidemic of

violence no one saying you know in total to abuse but the way you've expressed yourself in the day of any regrets i have to had to listen to so much stuff about an issue that doesn't interest me i've been forced to talk about transgender as now not once not twice but a slauson times and i think that the male to female transgender community is very good at talking about itself very good. reading the headlines appears all over the place and is caressed by all and sundry that's fine go right ahead but don't expect me to join in i'm not someone here that's a really good self description as well but let's go to the audience here who have been waiting patiently to come in raise your hands if you want to come in and asked a range of questions here in the front row thank you i'm from some us women say we work with women who've experienced domestic and sexual abuse and one of the things i want to speak to you about or ask you about is the lifelong experience of trauma that very many here have gone through what happens is that the blame that they

experience from the courts from the police but also from people around and society is obviously catastrophic me to is part of a culture of change and we need that culture of change and i'm asking you as an icon of feminism to stand up and to name such a knee and to challenge that rather than what you're talking about in terms of rape and the courts well. i'm for ever attacking misfunctioning and trying to get people to believe or understand how pervasive it is and how unconscious it is now to we're going to learn it from the time they're small. and i think i do understand about the lifelong state of a basement there can result from extended abuse from childhood on about the traumas you talked about you've been quoted as dismissing some of the trauma that for example rape victims of have experienced absolutely not true the idea of them

suffering p.t.s.d. for example oh listen when somebody tells me that you're more likely to suffer p.t.s.d. as a rape victim then you are as a veteran of foreign wars something's gone seriously wrong in your you say that in your position as a leading psychologist now i say that in my position is the right thing. i mean every rape victim would certainly be what have you was a horror but it does know you on a minute for all women what men there been studies done just. says p.t.s.d. is associated consistently with sexual violence in the most traumatic event you know more than the w.h.o. . yes i think so and. we will think about it the first thing that happens to you as a rape victim is you get told that this is ruin your life this you will never get i want to learn how to make sure it's not what happens you know that before you even have a look at well here's a couple here's a here's a study in the us study that in the first two to three hours after an assault

before the people even gone to the police ninety six percent of victims experience physical shaking trembling in shock you know there that it happened if you were run over by a bike. really and truly this is you're saying this is getting silly. and being run over by a bike and on the silly one note simply turning over the turning into something that happens every day we've already talked about the fact that rape is universal right because in practically every house and in the land but non-consensual sex is everywhere and then you want to say and it will drive you mad. about to be doing a reprint is going to hand over a face i'm sorry just the idea that the idea that when you are when you experience right the first thing you're told is that you're meant to be traumatized for life as somebody who has also been raped with the first thing i was told when i went to try and talk to someone about it was that i was a liar and you know nothing it happened to me and i swallowed that for ten years even though you know i experienced pain and trauma and that's what these movements

are trying to do they're trying to actually make violence and trauma visible and normalize them because it's not just the case that rape is universal it's that we think it's ok we think that these behaviors are normal and we put the blame and the shame on our women when we should be putting all men i know very with you not see that i agree with this group let's go back to the audience the lady. in regards to your feminism how would you address someone who can simply say down i saw women who were oppressed by. ability sexuality in fear of losing a job. or in a vulnerable situation like a refugee camp anything like that the principles of your feminism feminism are supposed to be an income the scene field of study and income seem way of living i'm not entirely sure that i quite understand the context of that i mean i understand what you're saying i'm saying people slapping it down dealing with it instantly not being victims some people are not in the same situation don't have the same

privilege what i was actually talking about when that particular statement had a context was the fact made who has brought up these cases. after two as much as twenty years when the statute of limitations means that there can be no criminal prosecution now when it comes to intersectionality there's not a lot that i can say because i am what i am i am a white middle class academic i am not god almighty i don't understand what it's like to belong to a minority except that it's pretty interesting being in australia and in england so to grab a contradiction a moment ago you were strettle eating from your own horrific experience to make sweeping judgement about what women experience of the violence now you're saying well i can only speak for myself when yes ok now a little of the contradiction no i was speaking of myself as a rape victim it may surprise you to learn that i'm not a career or a p.c. i don't spend my entire life as a lot of those phrases of yours upsets

a lot of people upset ok it's upsetting ok. maybe here in the lady my name is far too i work with a local charity here in oxford called oxford against cutting ok so you have said in the past that the way the women of my group treat their genitals is their business are you saying that charities like all should pack a bag and go home and you've also said that you would even condemn female genital mutilation at all. how does that deal fit in with the human rights agenda of saving all children from you and i both know that this is not a simple question there are many different ways of doing cutting and they have different significance in different communities so we this is not an easy question but what annoys me is that we decide that african women or whoever from whichever community may not do these things to themselves and it's complicated but most

people say. it's a gross violation of human you better stop. you better stop american women learn english why. and when during a good that's nice what about tree the question is do you condemn it no no you don't you don't really matter to me the way you do lots of cultural practice you know the sort of really. you can never finish a concert going to point that. for a while in the australian playing to the very common little dump aeration on the female genitalia in america is the shortening of the layby a menorah it's practically the same operation and it is practiced in great numbers but if we practiced on toddlers we're talking about yes i do know not to carry a great car you cynical having generally carried out on so we're going to anyway ok so that's your position of cutting but adults are different ok gentlemen the glasses. do seem to me to be a contrarian so my question is when in particular should we listen to you and

perhaps when not so much transgender issues you don't have to listen to me at all. i don't have to listen to you. there's no clear also in the label of contrarians. no no. you didn't hear. about me to quite flip and i think majors kind of comedic content you said something about. should stop filmmaking because old rather than because of the alleged abuse of his younger daughter i never said ok i'm sure in these big pile of papers there's proof that you did say it but that's final to the contrary it is something that has been fairly let me explain something before i explain something can i ask you something passed of course to you because i picked up your book when i was sixteen years old and that was my pathway into feminism and as you see here before me you are just totally incompatible with the theory that i've read it's like surely high up on your agenda as a feminist is just less rape because you're deviating what counts as rape or not

instead of having a conversation about what the psycho social basis of rape is why are men raping is a better conversation does that count as i don't know why men are a t. know why men are raping and i don't know which men are right but that's your responsibility as a feminist academic and you have written text that show that you do know why men are raping you do you understand why there was a mean age when you do understand how patriarchy translates into controlling sexual violence your own theory shows that so i just don't understand where you're going from there three million is not a book of theory i don't know how you work that out what it is it what is it what was it supposed to be a description of life as we lived it in nineteen sixty nine when i wrote that you were given you're not going to agree and we're running out of time just let me just do a follow. i don't know what the answer could be but i'm asking you to get a sense of disappointment when you hear people who want big farms of yours now feeling disappointed in what you're saying today are never are you to i've never asked for or wanted

a big fan but with respect to what i asked as above does it bother you at all that people who once agreed with you looked up to you now or not i'm not worried about being disagreed with or was wondering just wondering ok let's go to break it. i am a huge me to campaign supporter and the reason i supported the campaign was because it was an eye opening campaign for me it made me realize how many women around me had been affected by leg agree with you that a lot of women in the holy word who have used sexual exploitation to climb up the later somehow we can the why is strong women like you when you do not support the meter campaign you weaken the war as to what we really need is you to support the young women in this campaign in let us move ahead in this fight i'm sorry to be crabby about this but when furhman tells me that harvey weinstein who was clearly a good friend pushed her down somewhere and then tried to expose himself and

generally gives the account that she was in danger but she escaped our i think he tried to expose himself what stopped him. how does he go to the toilet if you can't work out how to expose him so why does she why does she give us this narrative what does it mean he knew we were going to be going to this it was over go on but there are plenty of actresses and normal actresses his assistant a marketing is around to all of whom were his quote unquote whatever you want to call it you say victims of the business survivors here do not see what you're doing but you don't know the reason them the reason for naming them is that they could finance the whole thing so far i've been told that there are civil suits being brought but i haven't found them and i do nothing but look for your dismissive tone i think that bothers people and then laurie and we have to finish very briefly i just i don't think we younger feminists do need germy to validate and sanctify what they're doing it's ok for you to be appalled and disappointed i personally am glad

that you're in the shaking things up ideological diversity is great we all need it i think we're a little bit too prone to worrying so really a range of brewarrina very briefly final word for it i'm all for ideological diversity but the question is how is is somebody who is still regarded by many is an icon supposed to support you know young women in their current struggle i think the answer has to be either by getting behind it and showing solidarity in a critical way or by getting out of the way because this is a distraction i scarcely knew and i didn't invite myself here tonight and i tell you something else if there's anything i don't want to be it's an icon i grew up with holy pictures and i don't want to be one and i've never pretended to be one i'm not speaking on women's behalf i'm trying to talk sense especially in an environment where we seem to be talking a lot of sloganising nonce meaning needs to come in briefly that's wonderful that you don't want to position yourself as an icon but you are to very many women so at

least give hope that i mean what i mean could you not just look at me two for what it is rather than have your single narrative that it's about thurman and meryl streep me. has been translated to chinese did ish arabic finnish you have women in kenya india brazil galvanizing and organizing and using me to i was at the e.u. parliament where hundreds of feminists took over the e.u. parliament on the back end of me to speak about women gaining power in europe so can you at least acknowledge that there's all this other stuff going on it's not just hollywood celebrities speaking about taking cocaine with harvey weinstein and wait till something happens i mean suddenly they're actually very well made to means nothing but why be so negative you say sorry to be crabby why be so crabby because i want to be crabby i can be as crappy as i like even at risk i.q. even if it's on helpful i don't have prosperity so for i'm one person i'm being

told to help all the women of the world or something or or say things that will be accepted by everybody let me ask this last question on me too lori said at the start you know we've only been six months seven months and you keep saying let's see what happens if you have any regrets about how you've handled it at all i don't do regrets. what you call a person who has no regrets did probably but. because of your undoing your positions on me to last question and he showed if they suddenly pull the rabbit out of their head if they actually manage to bring a case that they can actually win ok but i don't think they're going to let my feeling but when they do i'll cheer on the very negative mood. thanks for joining me on head to head and thank . you. national bulletins for debate on migration is

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