old all members of one of the world's most persecuted minorities coming together to speak out in one glorious this is the largest demonstration that's been held by winter refugees since over seven hundred thousand again all right here and could go on cap over the course of the past year here today you can hear the frustration you can certainly since the anger your hands are refugees gathered to demand the rights that they say they've been denied for so long. in another area cries of no more genocide could be heard these protestors are calling for among other things an investigation by the international criminal court into allegations of atrocities committed by me in mars military charges that me and mars government continues to deny. and i didn't for the man in this crowd emotion cannot be contained. who he says this is the only way they could properly commemorate such

a somber occasion and the little matter that we didn't we didn't i don't i don't two thousand and seventeen they raped our mothers and sisters they set our homes on fire they made thousands of people homeless because of that we're mourning today. a day when the often ignored voices were as loud as they've ever been the question now is will the rest of the world finally hear them. at the good to prolong refugee camp in cox's bizarre fun but it. palestinian leaders say the trump administration is resorting to cheap blackmail by cutting two hundred million dollars in aid for the occupied west bank and gaza strip the state department says the money will go towards high priority projects elsewhere in january the u.s. lost its contribution to the u.n. agency for palestinian refugees or reacting to this latest funding come the

palestine liberation organization said palestinians would not be bullied into giving up their rights dave hogg is a former assistant administrator with the u.s. agency for international development he says the move by trumpet ministrations will only empower hamas the united states has essentially ceded the political space to hamas and other rejectionist were creating a vacuum by leaving gaza and the west bank and in so doing not only have we turned back on the palestinian people but we've also created greater risk for israel so now we're leaving now we've concluded that we have other priorities and and so doing we well have empowered hamas i mean it's just as simple as that and you don't even have to take my word for it i mean you can simply ask any of the security professionals american or israeli or palestinian that track this very closely when we leave that will be filled by hamas and other reaction this. well still ahead

here on al-jazeera are already short of power iraqis in basra and contaminated water to their workers also he's down but he's not out why the likely front runner has been barred from the presidential race and the democratic republic of congo those stories after the break. binny's pink skies by the time my heart. or is the sun sets in the city of angels. how i once again welcome to another look at the international forecast a final warning has been issued for our trouble disturbance just around the southeast and cool off china still some very heavy rain there into taiwan through sunday even going on into monday we could still see some persistent downpours causing flooding here but for the southeast of china i'm optimistic that things

will gradually start to cheer up hong kong around thirty one south as a thirty one c. for a manila some showers coming in here from time to time the showers extending across northern parts of southeast asia northern areas of borneo could still see some wet weather staying fine dry on sunday across jakarta there for the asian games thirty three degrees celsius they'll be a few showers just around smart churches pushing up towards the malaysian peninsula more of those big downpours just coming into a good parts of thailand stretching up towards him myanmar actually i'm afraid we are going to see further heavy showers continuing here easing up towards bangladesh a few showers into the final thesis of india just around the dish it pushing up towards kolkata spy the wettest weather is going to be but notice the phrase we have got some wet weather down the western gas and some of those showers not started to push away back towards carola want to them on the shop side. the weather sponsored by cattle peace. pakistan did not have the ability to point.

no one is also all of them big enough to sponsor them as well in search of the missing pieces and live in every important meetings for the moment he said i like. the pakistani puzzle when you got the news of bin laden was killed were you surprised what was your reaction when they found him the place we continue on but we don't want anyone to know mehdi has son goes head to head with the former pakistani foreign minister on al-jazeera. welcome back you're watching others around the whole robin a reminder of our top stories pope francis says he feels shame over the catholic

church's failure to prevent sexual abuse by members of the clergy he spoke during a visit to ireland his visit is an effort to reinvigorate catholicism in a country rocked by decades of scandals involving the church also peruse impose new entry restrictions in an effort to limit the flow of migrants from venezuela asylum seekers mr kerry passports previously they could enter peru using just a venezuelan national id card. palestinian leaders have accused the trumpet ministration of resorting to a cheap blackmail. two hundred million dollars in aid for the occupied west bank and gaza strip the state department says the money will go towards high priority projects elsewhere. the turkish foreign ministry is warning against a possible syrian government offensive in a province it's the last remaining opposition stronghold and home to the world's largest population of internally displaced. people military operation will put millions of lives at risk because so blue reports from it lib city. nearly three

million people are trapped in the northwest and probably suffered syria's largest remaining rebel held area if the government launches a full scale attack two and a half million syrians could try to flee to the turkish border that's been affected lisieux since two thousand and fifteen. many here are now preparing themselves for the worst case scenario. of why should i be scared assad has already been killing us for seven years our families brothers and sisters even the children it doesn't no difference i did not on the job we won't leave our nation alone again we will defend our people until the last breath. is that has provided a refuge for some syrians roughly health of its civilian population is displaced from elsewhere in the country. the so-called syrian salvation government is a civil authority formed in the province last year and backed by the hardline rebel coalition. formerly known as the looser front

a group the turkey russia and the us consider a terrorist organization and was once linked to al qaida. such as how would the salvation government step up to prime minister joschka who say's they are not an opposition but the revolution itself. it will be a disaster and a catastrophe if such an attack happens because even rich and able governments can't evacuate three or four million people quickly in such difficult conditions that we are living in it is a part of it that's at the center of the almost stronghold for the syrian opposition this is a calm here compared to other offices and housing areas but if there is enough that this will be the last battle before the syrian government takes full control of the country opposition groups in it that are attempting to unify international army with turkey's help to try and overcome and it divisions but. has not offered its support yet president bashar al assad has dropped leaflets over there calling for

rebel groups to surrender and that's where the new unifying factions me and god willing and we hope that it could help the country and the revolution we hope all the factions can be joined under one name there would be a consideration of what you would never waste our martyrs on the widow's blood we need to remember those who suffer in the prisons and the woman. for now those living in syria as lost opposition stronghold can only wait to see what happens next. al-jazeera at that city not person syria. where there will be more protests in the iraqi city of basra after hundreds of people fell ill from drinking contaminated water the government already under pressure of a poor services is trying to work out what went wrong osama bin javid has. people in basra have been uploading videos of what comes out of the water tanks contaminated water which appears to be unusable and unsafe some have conducted particle tests on their own and see the water being provided is not fit for

drinking hundreds of people have been treated in hospitals in the last few days but stomach related complaints including aches and diarrhea that said there are many poisoning cases my own family members have been affected and when i took them to hospital i was surprised to see so many other poisoning cases because of water. oil rich buzzer is iraq's second city with a population of more than two and a half million people for years its facilities and water treatment plants have been neglected using various tests iraq's government has identified deteriorating water quality along the tigris euphrates and the shuttle rob people blame politicians for making matters worse since to attend to those corrupt politicians cannot even help the fish in this water to survive things that be able to help our country. even animals in europe enjoy some dignity compared to us here in iraq air and water are necessary for life but now there is no water and the anger has again reached the

streets dozens of people have been protesting against the lack of solutions from the government civil society activists and lawyers have filed cases against the governor of the head of the municipal council and the directors of water and health authorities. the people buster are demanding the provision of uncontaminated drinking water as well as health services and good education these are constitutional rights the constitution is merely in qana paper and has not been properly applied to serve the citizens at all. iraq's ministry of environment calls water contamination a very dangerous situation and it's in addition to the lack of water in the province in a statement it said the hell directorate staff and technical teams are working around the clock under the directions by health and environmental ministries to figure out immediate and long term solutions for the issues of pollution and. since last month there have been widespread protests in the province people have been demanding jobs and better public services including water and electricity

prime minister hydrilla by these government has faced strong criticism for not addressing the basic demand of people here. and as more people fall sick because of a lack of clean drinking water that anger is likely to continue a summer job there. four of afghanistan's top ministers have resigned from president musharraf's gandhi's government or they include the ministers of defense interior the president's national security adviser and the head of the national directorate of security the resignations followed tuesday's rocket attacks on the presidential palace and armed assaults on the villages near the city of garson by taliban fighters in recent days zimbabwe's main opposition leader has rejected a supreme court decision to uphold the results of july's presidential election nelson chamisa challenged the outcome saying the vote was rigged by the rulings are new p.f. party zimbabwe's current president everson willing go go was named the winner with just over fifty percent of the ballots to his inauguration is shuttled for sunday

some of them some in zimbabwe question of sufficiently reform the country given his controversial history as a close ally of long time and leader robert mugabe at least twenty thousand people were killed by the army when ever someone to go out was the state security minister in the one nine hundred eighty s. welcome webb spoke to some of the survivors who are still seeking justice it was right here that henry cabot says soldiers abducted him and tied him up he was in one thousand nine hundred eighty three zimbabwe's government said it was fighting a rebellion here in a matter barely land region henry says even though he was nothing to do with it he was taken to a concentration camp and tortured for three weeks he thought prisoners died daily from their injuries their bodies burned in a pit. been there thirty five years on it still hard to tell

a story. he says he narrowly survived when soldiers try to execute him in a forest and left him for dead the pilot. when robert mugabe sent the army to matabele land in the one nine hundred eighty s. investigators say at least twenty thousand people were killed many in the region say the massacres were to suppress the support base of his political rival at the time survivors say there's been no justice and mugabe who's finally forced from power by the army nine months ago led to elections that took place in july and some people wondered if zimbabwe's presidential election might bring change the opposition say it was rigged the electoral commission denies its rulings on a p.f. party's presidential candidate incumbent president and. was announced the winner he was once the right hand man of former leader robert mugabe and at the time of the massacres he was state security minister the first major investigation into the

killings was written by human rights lawyer david coltart. he says the involvement of men and some of his ministers and things won't change i think it's unlikely that they would ever want a complete truth telling because the entire story of their involvement will unravel from their perspective. and that would be very damaging politically to them so we don't expect justice under them. penned a commission to matter baby lamb to investigate shortly after taking office in november. this is the reaction it got protesters proceedings the government says it will deliver justice when the commission is independent its doesn't doesn't work under the direction of anybody it will do what it feels is right we expect nothing but for accountability and for and taking off what happens if the exceptional situation henry and the other survivors are still waiting he

says he just wants an apology from the people who ordered the atrocities and compensation he doesn't know if he'll ever get it malcolm webb al-jazeera harare zimbabwe. we're just getting news in from the u.s. that the u.s. senator john mccain has died at the age of eighty one at his home in arizona of course he was the nominee for the presidential election in two thousand relegates bracco barbour in two thousand and eight he was perhaps well known for being a prisoner of war during the vietnam war where he was held for five and a half years he died of brain cancer but was also a very well respected statesman in the u.s. and also renowned for bringing both the u.s. of vietnam closer together quite inspirational in bringing the country's. back together of course are after rather horrific conflict in the one nine hundred sixty s. and seventy's we'll have more on the death of john mccain later in the program. the

democratic republic of congo's main opposition leader says that he will appeal an electoral commission ruling barring him from seeking the presidency job returned home to take part in the upcoming election after serving a decade in prison for war crimes but the commission says he called drugged because he still has an upcoming case at the international criminal court pizza shop as well. the decision by the country's electoral commission to reject. and his opposition party from upcoming presidential elections in the congo will do little to lessen the tension on the streets of kinshasa the former prime minister has a strong following in the capital but then this party secretary eva ziba appeared to call for calm. we'll stick to the law and contest the electoral commission decision and then. kansas city as president of the republic the first procedure

will be to go to the constitutional court and after that we'll see what direction our political party wants to take them returned to the country to declare his candidacy earlier this month after eleven years in exile he was excluded because of his conviction by the international criminal court for bribing witnesses burma was acquitted of war crimes conviction from the i.c.c. in june the electoral commission which is supposedly independent has long been painted by members and by its supporters as deeply partisan as coming up with inflammatory statements or inflammatory rules so what is most likely to happen is indeed that supporters will take to the streets and will seek to find other ways extralegal ways to try to shape this this election this process perhaps even to boycott it or to try to derail it president joseph kabila has held office since two thousand and one and his rule over the mineral rich country has been marked by corruption and civil unrest two weeks ago he signaled he would not run in the

election raising fears among the opposition. he try to stay on as the power behind the throne the opposition will lodge its appeal at the constitutional court on tuesday failing there it's feared violent protests on the streets can be expected to shop al-jazeera. of the rahman you're watching al-jazeera these are all brain headlines prominent u.s. senator john mccain has died at the age of eighty one in a statement on saturday his family said he'd stopped efforts to treat his brain cancer the two thousand and eight republican party presidential nominee announced that he had the disease last year mccain was a distinguished military veteran he spent more than five and a half years as a prisoner of war in vietnam after being shot down over the country during a bombing mission decades later he was

a key figure in the restoration of diplomatic relations between the u.s. and vietnam. pope francis has admitted feeling shame about the catholic church's failure to prevent sexual abuse by the clergy in ireland he's referred to the abuse as repugnant he's trying to reinvigorate catholicism in a country which has seen scandals involving the church over many decades number so because we're going to assure you i cannot fail to acknowledge the grave scandal caused in iowa by the abuse of young people by members of the church charge of the responsibility for that machete and education the failure of ecclesiastical authorities to adequately address these repugnant crimes has rightly given rise to outright i myself these sentiments through has imposed new entry restrictions to limit the flow venezuelan migrants trying to escape the deepening economic crisis back home but as well as must show valid passports instead of id cards those were the headlines inside story is next to stay with us.

it was promoted as a masterpiece at the saudi crown prince's vision plans to sell shares in the state owned oil giant had been postponed so where this is leave saudi arabia's efforts to raise money end of versified its economy this is inside story. hello welcome to the program i'm richelle carey saudi arabia has reportedly delayed its plans to list share as one state owned oil company ram co on the stock market

media reports say the initial public offering has been postponed indefinitely. but the saudi government has disputed this the energy minister says the government is committed to conducting the i.p.o. at the appropriate circumstances and time the plan to float around five percent of aramco was expected to be the world's largest stock sale and it lies at the heart of crown prince mohammed bin solomon's vision to transform the economy but the government is faced widespread criticism for its crackdown on dissent and its military campaign and yemen so why is aramco important it was set up more than eighty five years ago in a sense become the largest oil and gas company in the world and manages the kingdom's large oil reserves of over three hundred billion barrels its average daily crude production is ten point two million barrels a day but there's no clear data on how much the company is worth some analysts say

it could be valued at one point two trillion dollars significantly lower than the official figure of two trillion dollars. as we have mentioned around coas at the center of the crown prince's reforms well to be implemented by two thousand and thirty the vision aims to diversify the saudi economy and make it less dependent on oil and includes building the world's largest solver and wealth fund and a five hundred billion dollar economic city called the oem but in a move that was widely criticized last year the saudi crown prince arrested dozens of saner members of the royal family government ministers and businessmen and what he said was an anti-corruption drive most were released after giving up their assets or paying billions of dollars the crown prince has also pledged to return saudi arabia to what he calls a moderate islam women have been allowed to drive and attend sporting events and then almost forty year ban on cinemas and cultural events hasn't it let's bring in our panel here in doha masood so here it director of the gulf studies center at

qatar university in washington d.c. mohammed a professor of conflict resolution of george mason university and in singapore and joining us on skype james dorsey he is a senior fellow at the s. rajaratnam school of international studies at nanyang technological in a verse city a welcome to all of you thank you for joining me i'm actually going to start with the first question with all of you and i'll go to you first issue are you surprised by this delay. to be honest i'm not surprised of the city has been now reported about the change of the plan about their own cause and i would like actually to put all of this into. real context. we have to remember that the whole issue of iran who is coming into a wide perspective with the political context which started with the emerging or after the death of king of the law and the merging of king solomon from the day one

of that. era it was clear that disarmament is will be the next king after his father and since that time there was focus on two main issues one is you know the church that is the need the debate about political reform need to be stopped and need to be redirected and to be directed to need you need to create to bring to present or to suggest a new topic for the debate and that was the political economic reform and the core of the economic reform was the story and the and other details which came which basically after that story so i think. there is nothing to be surprised about if we remember that this is. the whole issue is about marking there are concerned man one hundred settlement of the there is something important they are doing in the country and the main titles political economic reform to lead and to

to consider the. unimportant compared with the previous kings ok we're going to take into some of the reason she touched on on some of them that are you surprised that this has been delayed indefinitely. no i'm not and i think what has happened so far in deciding the fate of the amp or i p or is a short. like short picture for or a token of asking the big question to what extent it reflects the dialogue of crown prince mohammed as a man and they think there is a difference between expectations and the know so positive reality and they think back in two thousand and sixteen when he announced this deal he was building his momentum to become a future king and therefore now the momentum is waning away he and others in rio

expected to generate a clist one hundred billion dollars of the five percent share of the company however to the best scenario best case scenario analysts are predicting no more than between fifty and seventy five billion dollars so i think there is a mismatch between what would have been some man full series for his reform plan and his twenty thirty vision and do real assessment of world markets in terms of approaching or kind of keeping distance from this be or and i think there is also the political uncertainty and most of the vote in or the kind of the adventure is decided by many summit in yemen and libya annan also of his of iran have also shadow this and have added to this and so that sort of the global investors are now taken making

a second reflection on whether to go forward toward this ipod or for or sort of. we should also add that the fluctuation of the oil market and now the search for alternative energy is not on the side of the out on the guy paul at the present time ok. well come back to some of those issues that. james i suspect i know your answer to whether or not you're surprised because mohammad actually used the word that you have written about you said he meaning muhammad been solomon has been very good at creating expectations but not as good at managing expectations do you think that's appropriate appropriate description for how this is all played out indeed we've known for a considerable period of time that the i.p.o. at very best would be of late and may not ever happen the problem with all of this is that mohamed bin so mom has indeed been very good at creating expectations but if you look at the last several months multiple incidents whether it's the.

rest of the human rights activists whether it's various incidents in yemen with the killing of the deaths of children and women and other civilians or the spats with canada mohammad been some of the saudis have been reactive they've been behind the car in for instead of in front of the cart so with other words if you're clear that this i.p.o. is not going to happen within the timeframe that you initially had announced that you were going to be strongest if you were up front with managing the publicity and the the expectations in terms of the delay and what's going to happen mohamed some of them some of the saudis have not been able to do that. measure you mentioned this a little bit do you think that this is more of a. financial and economic failing or is this

a political failing or or that the two enter twined when you're talking about saudi arabia. actually it is both because colonel prince mohammed bin sandman wanted to enter his his era of being a king with the successes in hand and that means basically he wanted as my colleagues were mentioning he presented an amazing expectation and he was aiming or hoping maybe hoping that some of this expect ation will be achieved while he can out of prince crown prince and then while after that of you he becomes a prince a king you know he will have some achievements in hand as we see as we see the situation the whole thing is coming to from the gate of political change i mean they wanted the political change that political change has two main pillars one is the size of the storm in yemen which we saw the consequences of that and how much it's costing and we show the other bell or what's basically the economy changes

inside saudi arabia let's remember the two main pillars has been decided top down basically the these are not a decision which should lie on a popular demands of course there was some anger against iran and yemen maybe people they wanted the. economy to form but i'm not sure they wanted these things as we were presented by the monarch and so they did it so basically what we see what we are seeing so far is some you know decision were made in a political economic context assuming those will bring some changes or some achievements those will help crown prince i'm not sure that all of this actually you know have brought any kind of change or a serious change actually with the criticism that the kingdom is facing women whom rights organization and from even the united states about what's happening in saudi arabia these kind of achievements. apparently are disappearing and we are

witnessing another day lament that they condemn is facing and i think the decision made in. last a few days these are the more you know kurt except you ation to the situation was or was ordered to do was get sick so i think yeah ok jefferson i want to bring it into this conversation so when you want to launch an i.p.o. you're you're inviting the world into your home into your books into a level of scrutiny that saudi arabia has never really faced or had to answer to anyone for do you think that they are prepared for that muhammad. well it depends on when we ask this question i remember back in two of those and sixteen early two thousand and seventeen there was an influx of phone on c. and c. or was coming from all over the world to riyadh and some of the matter with for two to three days to meet the representatives of the two to me that was the attacks or

the highest level of this i've because that has created a lot of vibration in world markets but now i don't think that many c.e.o.'s would go to searching for that meeting or that discussion i would like also to add that if we can so that this kind of yes or no question to whether there will be an i.p.o. it reflects badly on the political economy of saudi arabia and then come advancement and let me also add another factor that is now kind of hindering the momentum which is how mcgoohan solomon was good articulating what they call symbolic politics a lot of symbolism a lot of predictions a lot of expectations however when it comes to the delivery of gives these promises it seems that he cannot achieve much let alone that the next twelve months between

now and two thousand and thirty not going to keep the same vibration or the same strength that he hoped for therefore i think it's a matter of bad management and also not being aware that the global markets can have a different assessment in other words the difference between an inside out expectation and an outside in assessment of what can deliver or cannot so james do you think that what mohamed describing is mohamed been solved months later set style being. is it naive is that hubris what how would you describe it. well i think it's not thought through let me just say a couple of things which in response to what was just said by both speakers this much job is going to allow me i want to just fine tune what he said mohammed bin some is about economic and social change in saudi arabia not about political change

and he's about geo political change in the region i think one of the problems with the approach and what hamas in the sense points out been some on is that there's a difference between seen on c.s. bankers fund managers willing to come in and people who are direct foreign direct investments we've seen very little of the latter and much of what has been so among wants to achieve depends not only on funding but also on foreign direct investment the third point i'd like to make is that while we're talking about the do lay of the of an i.p.o. an i.p.o. is not the only alternative or the only option available to them some there is also the option of a private equity sale for example to the chinese now that would embed he ways be easier it would not give. saudi arabia the publicity and everything

that goes with the knife you know but he would give it the funding and a lot less questions would be asked or at least those questions would be asked in private rather than in public shame so i want to follow up on that do you think that that's something that. can seem to have as in someone in a while family actually really considering another option besides this i.p.o. or is there do they have to say face. well the optional bill of the night of the private equity sale particularly to the chinese has been touted for significant period of time and the chinese have actually hinted that they may be interested in that so i think it isn't really a real option and in many ways that is a way to save face because what it is is selling the state in the company well that you do that publicly or privately in in that sense doesn't really matter.

mazumdar what role did the u.s. and donald trump perhaps and virtually play in and causing nice challenges these programs and what i mean by that donald trump obviously was excited about the i.p.o. he tweeted about it except our center but he's also put pressure on saudi arabia to pump more oil that means cheaper crude oil prices that lowers the valuation of the company was there a connection there. you know we may say there is a connection between what what was happening so they've been in the last. two three years and especially after the storm came to poet i think the connection was was made between the saudi arabia and american the station may indicate the relations between all of that but i do agree with you that the contradiction the contradiction within the american foreign policy towards so the idea bia is itself becoming a problematic to the to the saudis because basically they want to please the

americans but they cannot have the the revenue they expect and with the pressure on them to you know to sell more and. take into consideration the price is down as well and pleasing the u.s. on a couple of different fronts because there's the there's a financial front there's the oil front there's economics and then there's also the human rights issues that what's happening in yemen civilians being bombed it seems said that's coming more and more to the fore the forefront do you think that as this war in yemen continues to drag on there continues to be a public outcry about the alleged war crimes that are happening there the civilians that are get getting killed is that type of thing make launching an i.p.o. and being so public more difficult for saudi arabia. i think the cost of the human war with whether it's financially or politically is becoming

a real burn on the shoulders of so these and i think day by day this become problematic to the policy and to the even domestic politics of course we see sort of level of hypocrisy on american foreign policy towards what happened in yemen because they know we know that americans are involved in a way or other on that world whether on selling logistics or the weapons or weapons providing information regardless what is the void the level of involvement we can discuss it with her ten percent twenty percent of the percent but there is the involvement and they can become you know someone that can ask them what is about this level of involvement in that war if you are honest about the criticism of saudi arabia and the killing for the can in the families civilian. civilians so i think there is a real cost the saudis are paying concern a man and his son because of this war i think it is increasing rapidly i mean we

see now the increasing criticism about what happened in yemen but also we see i think internally i would argue that one of the reasons behind the the changing of decision about who is the war in yemen because. remember the saudis want to control that on oil because this is the only source of revenue share if they want to sell the shares of the guards the percentage this means they would have another hand in that cake and they don't want anyone to be part of that cake they want to have it for themselves and they don't want anyone to upset them or to annoy them how to spend money until the hunted all you have to let me ask you this a vision a vision twenty thirty there's there are valid critiques of it obviously but it's at the core of it as wanting to diversify your economy and not so bait dependent on oil that's that's a lot of because other countries have had that same goal that it's it's never that easy what is the biggest challenge why is this always so difficult for countries to

do to accomplish. well first there is merit in fortune for a an economic reform in the next twelve years but the question is how the arabia will proceed in implementing inducive forms apparently it is this idea of the versification of sectors and also moving toward technology. so there would like to have silicon valley. and its own territory but the question is that now i think that if i cannot be put in a market why they own prices above seventy dollars three years ago price was just thirty five so i'm wondering when it can benefit from the eiffel and whether it is a solid investment in global markets so i'm left with the ironic question that probably we are just creating dreams also the other child

within saudi arabia is this a into the in a kind of intersect there or cross section reform or is just a top down reform where you have certain companies that are seeking or benefiting from this diversification while the bottom i know and now the unemployment rate stands at twelve point nine percent which is quite high and this is three years of that the announcement of the twenty thirty vision so i think that there are certain contradictions between what we plan what we publicize in front of cameras and whether we can push them toward full implementation let alone that it is also it seems to me that there is this dilemma of micro management you have been cinnamon and he is friends who are trying to control the all economy reform and this is

not what kind of in orwell thought of plan to move forward therefore if micromanagement doesn't help then when saudi arabia will open up to other approaches so in other words is there a real business model within the twenty thirty vision james are going to have than the last question here you cause you brought up a great point that social and political change or not nice are not really the same thing can saudi arabia launch a successful i.p.o. without having some sort of significant political change. i think we've got to be clear on what makes an i.p.o. successful in this case there were two issues one of the actual nomic issues including the valuation of the company which has been some monthly two trillion dollars and which has been long questioned in that questioning of the of the valuation predates the pressure from president trump to with regard to the

oil prices the second level. of consideration is the confidence you have in mohamed than some bonds ability to basically implement reform and vision two thousand and thirty and what you've seen and that's what the yemen board comes in it's not a direct bearing on the i.p.o. with such but what you've seen over the last several months is. an inability to manage confidence and to manage expectations and show the appetite to invest if you're not certain that the reforms are going to go through and that this is going to that bombers and some monks can be a leader in the process. then that undermines. the chances of the i.p.o. and that's i think what we see what actually goes to the hamas point so that it's about sustaining the moment and the enthusiasm and that the longer this goes on

perhaps the more that and yet go ahead and i think the way to look at this is this been someone who was brilliant in creating expectations when he launched vision two thousand and thirty when he lifted the ban on women's driving when he introduced an entertainment industry he was brilliant in. could be having the high ground when we visit the united states and europe and was able to dominate the media with its myth and what we're seeing right now is exactly the opposite and that works against you and against the saudi chances looks. all right james that will be the final word thank you all for joining me in the i appreciate it michel it's a hairy muhammad ali and james dorsey and thank you for watching it can see the program again any time if you get our website al-jazeera dot com you can also go to

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thousand and eight john mccain mounted a challenge against barack obama but lost in a landslide my friends we have we have come to the end of a long journey. him eric and people have spoken and they have spoken clearly he returned to the senate where he served as a senator for arizona more than thirty years at war hero this in the trump alexion a man with whom mccain had a prickly relationship in the past which did not improve senator mccain emerged as the conscience of the republican party in pushing back against several actions of a president who was the party's new voice on the trump travel ban i think the effect will probably in some areas give isis some more propaganda we don't want to shake news on threats against the media when you look at history the first thing the dictators do is shut down the press and i'm not saying that that's that that president trump is trying to be

a dictator i'm just saying we need to learn the lessons of history. on the likely reaction of past leaders to claims of alternative facts they would be alarmed by the growing inability and even on willingness to separate truth from lives senator mccain served in the vietnam war his aircraft shot down over her noyo he broke his leg and arms suffered torture and spent more than five years as a prisoner of war before returning to the u.s. as a war hero a description he humorously undercut during this visit to the libyan city of benghazi in two thousand and eleven they also served in the united states navy for many years i was a pilot yeah. but i'm not a very good pilot i was shot down diagnosed with cancer and recovering from head surgery john mccain received a standing ovation when he returned to the hill for a crucial senate vote in the motion is agreed to. he followed the republican line

in voting to open a debate on repealing the affordable care act i didn't his speech was deeply critical of a senate that he described as more partisan and more tribal than ever before let's trust each other let's return to regular order we've been spinning our wheels on too many important issues because we keep trying to find a way to win without help from across the aisle and a few days later in the early hours of the morning john mccain put principle before party. defying immense republican pressure to support a bill repealing barack obama's health legislation he's back. and in that moment he rose above the senate mired in endless squabble offering the hope that governance by consensus rather than by command could still be possible. that the right at times john mccain could be wrong but on this dramatic night he demonstrated

truth to himself and to the country he devoted his life to serving pope francis has admitted feeling shame about the catholic church's failure to prevent sexual abuse of members of the clergy in ireland he's referred to abuse as repugnant he's trying to reinvigorate catholicism in a country which has seen scandals involving the church over many decades peru has imposed new entry restrictions in an effort to limit the flow of migration migrants from venezuela asylum seekers mr kerry passports previously they could enter peru using just a venezuelan national id card palestinian leaders have accused the trump of ministration of resorting to cheap blackmail for cutting two hundred million dollars in aid to the occupied west bank and gaza strip the state department says the money will go towards high priority projects elsewhere those were the headlines and back with more news in half an hour here on ars is there a next it's head to head to stay with us.

since its pakistan's democratic experiment has been punctuated by military coups. puppets the politicians who they could control. and now call from the frontline of america's so-called war on terror. pakistan stands accused of playing a double game supporting the taliban abroad while fighting them at home. stakes in your backyard and expect them only to fight your neighbors. but a massacre of a school in peshawar or left the country reeling the army reasserted itself so will the government rein in the generals the voters trust their elected leaders. or is

pakistan on the brink of becoming a failed state. my guest tonight was the youngest and first female foreign minister of pakistan when she was appointed in two thousand and eleven she said her country has nothing to apologize for we feel that we are the ones who have reacted to them with we are the ones who have sacrificed their lives for. fighting it on the d m a the house and i've come here to the oxford union to go head to head with the former pakistani foreign minister. whose side pakistan is really on in the fight against terror and whether democracy in her country is in danger. tonight i'll also be joined by omar waraich an award winning british journalist and former pakistan correspondent for time magazine. pakistani academic senior lecturer in south asian politics at king's college london and all through secularizing islamists and musharraf say the former advisor to the pakistani foreign ministry as well as the.

the e.u. and the us. ladies and gentlemen please put your hands together for him now rabbani khar. rabbani khar was first elected to the pakistan paul of the twenty five she was minister of state for finance and economic affairs for seven years under two successive governments and was foreign minister between twenty eleven and twenty thirty. nine ramani her pakistan which was founded as a democracy sixty years ago has been under military rule military dictatorship for thirty three of those sixty eight years today the country is run by a democratic government but isn't it true that the military are still running the shops behind the scenes it is absolutely true that in the case of pakistan unlike any other democratic dispensation the military has much larger role than typically

the constitution of pakistan would permit and interesting the i don't know if you know this or not but it's the billion meet constitution without any amendments has only been applicable in pakistan for four years since two thousand and ten and now and before that between two years from fifty six to fifty eight what did you do as foreign minister to push back against the military did you ever get generals ringing you up telling you what line to take on this or that policy before you and all of our andrew no i think i was fiercely independent for anyone to call me to tell me which line to take but clearly on issues which i thought they were relevant stakeholders i would always consult i would love to engage i wouldn't go see it on this tuesday i felt they were not relevant stakeholders for instance trade with india i don't think many people would it's not none of their business when sullivan laden was killed in pakistan in two thousand levon you were the defacto foreign minister but the us administration didn't call you first didn't call president zardari first the first. called they made was to the head of the pakistani army

general kayani at the time the us government knows who's running the show in pakistan and they make the phone calls according to the us government has had a long history of immense fascination with the military of pakistan the us government because they're running the show because they propped him up because the only look when he came in pakistan got the best possible military and civilian assistance ever possible when musharraf came in that was the largest military and civilian assistance that ever came to pakistan so the u.s. government clearly has a fascination a preference to deal with military regimes when you were foreign minister if you look at the human rights record during those adare time in office it's clear the army wasn't under government control they were allowed to operate pretty much with impunity for example human rights watch said in twenty twelve that pakistan's government has failed to act against abuses by the security and intelligence agencies which continued to allow extremist groups to attack religious minorities the authorities did little to address attacks against journalists and committed serious abuses in counter-terrorism operations when you assert reports like this from human rights watch from amnesty international others did you just throw them

in the bin or did you try and take them seriously and did you investigate those abuses i will tell you exactly what we did in two thousand and ten we created a judicial commission with three superior court judges to investigate this matter in two thousand and eleven we reestablished a second commission to investigate this matter which resulted in the fact that today from two thousand eight hundred missing persons which are reported to the second commission we have one thousand five hundred cases which have already been resolved this was done by civilian government i will tell you another thing which is also done how many. officers will continue to you are very interested in finding out what was going to let me let me just tell you how many were prosecuted after. and after going to be it's very difficult in most societies to be able to prosecute people who suppose we're protecting the country so the lines of a thin there's a lot of greenery a way to explain to our audience who are watching at home around the world here in the oxford union can we still call it democracy we absolutely can call it a democracy because it is this democracy which is finding its roots and to democracy which is finding it ground its ground ok let's go to our panel of experts

who are listening. here in the oxford union. she served as time magazine's pakistan correspondent for six years in your view how democratic would you call pakistan today and and how influential today do you think the military still is it's a fledgling democracy. so the genuine efforts towards that however the military remains preeminence there's a pattern that happens which is the civilian government would be elected they would try something else like to pursue an independent foreign policy in the first year they get hit by a political crisis then what happens is that to guarantee their survival they enter a modus vivendi with the army and they say we will see the prerogative that you wish to get here or can you break down well you need two things to happen one is there needs to be an absence of war when there is war going on the army will claim a preeminent role the other is to have competent civilian government that produces economic growth in parts of history you've had. not even here is going to certainly

not it will come about they are going to mature then you actually were advisor to the pakistani foreign ministry you were in government i think the same time as you know do you feel the military were pushing you around at the time when did you feel you had control of the i'm a lot more sort of positive about the experience i think that there was some really really big issues on which under the leadership of former foreign minister carter we were able to redefine the way that foreign policy is structured in pakistan there's a long history to the bitterness between afghanistan and pakistan but the redefinition of the repositioning of how islamabad and bindi relate to afghanistan that happened on here not a bunny close watch and it happened not not because the military was ready to jump in the military frankly needed to be convinced.