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tv   Indias Four Million Unwanted  Al Jazeera  September 8, 2018 7:33am-8:01am +03

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how the press operates it is their language is their culture it's their context and why certain stories take precedence while others are ignored we can have a better understanding of how news is created for going to have a better understanding of what the news is the listening post on al-jazeera. india is one of the most crowded countries on earth but not all who cool india home are india they're all says the government millions of infiltrators in the state of a sound a sliver of it yes squeezed between bangladesh into time those infiltrates is a big identifying. the state government has put together a list of those it views as legitimate citizens but four million of the state's
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thirty one million people on it could be filled with name has been dropped out of what did. they are definitely a body. the list is creating disunity in one of the most religiously diverse parts of the country more than a billion people live in india speaking dozens of different languages and practicing many different religions hindu ism dominates but there are millions of christians sikhs and buddhists too and india has one hundred seventy million muslims almost as many as pakistan in assam they make up more than a third of the population they feel the list is targeted at them yet the. money. would be better he had gotten them there so you know it better now my hand i have got here. the national register of citizens lists those who can prove they are. all their parents were in india before march one nine hundred
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seventy one that was when bangladesh became independent from pakistan a new country was impoverished hundreds of thousands fled many across the border into india's assam india's government says those that came then or since should go back to bangladesh but bangladesh doesn't view those missing from the n.l.c. list ours bangladeshi it won't take them and most missing from the list anyway say their indian roots predate nine hundred seventy one and named a man a large time gatherer. then they are. in power at both the state level in assam and nationally is the hindu nationalist but a two year janata party b j p prime minister narendra modi has been accused of stirring up ethnic and religious divisions to shore up his political base next year he and
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his party face an election some c.d.'s sound system shit list as a way of reminding him to use right across india but the government is on their side a little longer ease minorities this country has seen a very peculiar politics of appeasement and anything which garners the road from the minority community needs to appease them at the cost of national interest. and certainty in a sound is causing tension security forces are on high alert although those missing from the n.r.c. list can appeal many fear they don't have the documents to prove they are indian and well end up stateless the future is one they fear tell me what you think about the list talk to al-jazeera travel to assam to hear from some of those missing from the list and challenge those behind the exercise on why it is so necessary.
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in the remote village of wang yeah why the heart of the people are muslim and many perhaps most have just found out they are not on the n.l.c. list of numbers in the. village elders of call the crisis meeting to discuss how people should best mount their appeals sharifa caton is among those whose families are being called infiltrators she is worried thank you very much for talking to al-jazeera can you tell me first of all how many people roughly in this village are not on the list was someone who was. also manuel ryan a simple and. when no. other man are you sad the man when my mom my. other man who are you so much said the other one ma'am and i stick my head that the ground man with the book but i see what blood is that i'm here up on my my he says and that's the i'm
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a look on my my hand i now look at book by see what the world look legacy i'm a look at home mom i had my i'm a little book legacy year. and i think. he got a knock on the us. are you on the list one mum polished up my mom polish but my mode of. battle. i. like my wall. more web that will go where they can be with a good book was a message mama and i. know how that all sounded like a headache. why are people here crying what are they worried will happen yet the world does mom not hear one more quiet be there he he got on a calm day or so here he got an alarm on hand i had gone over here that m.d.'s were biased and being labeled
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a foreigner what would that mean be the whole of the battle of the sequel he had to get the candy that was a lot more trouble he got in a can detect the appeals process people can still get on the list at a later stage i've got confidence and much more to passing move. by until you move on i'm going until we're in for various good to get the lamb and he will know i have forgotten i have cohesive and i'm glad he's a lawyer nash sees i have also at the last one to question move mom are a possible sort of. lerma surly a little but certain mama he says. and i was drawing from blank yet is the town of now go on there another family is
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worried the family has indian passports but they don't seem to be enough has a bad message says she thinks she's one hundred three and has always lived in assam but she's not on the list. while you work here but all of labor. where others have. said you were giving. up are you able. strangely i suppose nessa son's name is on the list but not his wife's and other names are missing to ask first how surprised you were that both your mother and your wife were not on the list i'm surprised because you are the we are the or is elin in the bit and in evident of the woman the this land. and all generations you know spread back to the home age the kingdom and saw.
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in our generations are here they're born and there they have died so it is quite surprising that i was come as a foreigner as a man which is ultimately that as you know in their name you know that in an era c. or the borderless come so that means advance their list of partners so your mother was born here is your wife clearly was born here is this recent them and his worn here and yet they're not on the list how does that make them and you feel it is very odd because. it doesn't make any sense. as you know that if you did if somebody know an indian on the innocent of a particular country a citizen of a country he go to he go to i come from different country all they're going to have a different and their parent then the limits of the palace different than india but all of a sudden you find yourself as india straights do you think the reason is that they're
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not on the list i mean i could possible. i don't say that demi not be foreigners here but the thing is that they or isn't really the whole concept of having a doubtful voters of for a sense of for nothing like it is against even though initially it was born or to be against blair this year or something but ultimately translate to i mean boils down to the fact that it is dug into the muslims what are the potential consequences of being found to be a known citizen as your so far your wife and mother of. only one word can be described by this is disastrous they would be news disaster yes they won't be able to get passports i want employment to work legally here straight they will not be able to go for higher education and their normal day to even their normal day to day life will be affected and their children would they be able to go to school and most of those there will be a whole generation down the line and be affected by this they're going to get the
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eyes of people simple will make a ghetto i'm in lake what happened there so this is not just i mean this is the ultimate idea. do it's sort of the state of s. picture what you call it make them not they'll be able to breed economically that's very strong compared to hitler and this is the worst case scenario in terms of potato water but you call it simulate the genocide i mean interjections we don't deny that for a nurse to be out from here definitely as. if they're not the citizen of this country this will be here don't say that there's no foreigners there maybe some foreigners but this is not the full proof system to weed out the foreigners like this doesn't community feel it's targeted at them the whole community fox any muslim community the first the the sentence will be years to our community the measure measure of the cases of muslims who go to court anywhere in find the people
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those who are looking for work humans then trying to straighten out the documents and having the going legalized that all muslims limbs can see anyway it why do you think they would want to target the muslim community i'm not talking from my side even konami feeling for all the muslims here they feel that way that this is the extension of the prevailing situation all over india this is the ultimate aim is to reduce the the muslim population and of the privileges and that can only happen if the make some scheme of this source where the muslim influence or population in skirted that's what we believe the third is happening is the appeals process clear. the no that is i think there is no defined guidelines probably on this very confusing people learned even people those who found himself in the dog food water list that are clear that what they have to do
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unless they approach some some lawyer and pay some have to fees. i mean the normal person they don't know what the little. it's a given very clear from the beginning either from the energy office or from the. election office. with four million people's names missing from the n.r.c. list a huge appeals process is now under way most people are too poor to hire lawyers but some human rights lawyers are getting involved anyway when you saw that number four million people left off the list was that number surprised the way it was surprising for me i was not expecting that poured a million people to be dropped but then the fact remains that this is on your draft not final and i see saw there was one list earlier which came in december thirty first two thousand and seventeen and this is the this is the second they're calling it a complete draft but at the end of the day it is
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a draft no one is rendered stateless and no one will be called foreigners after this is only a draft nevertheless that's caused a lot of worry hasn't it with people whose name has been dropped are worried. and they are definitely worried but because there is a process there is an opportunity called gleams where people can reapply so that process had to be made fair and transparent and judicious to quell this fear that locution forms are a little complex and enterprises are very scientific very stringent saw or obviously it would it would have to be a little complex and if it was easier. than a lot of wrong people would have been seeking to eight so there is no doubt that for poor people for illiterate people to fill up this forms is difficult but that is where the role of civil society comes in are you confident that the draft list has been put together with the best
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intentions that those administering it's wanted to get as many people who are legitimately entitled to be on the list all matters. or do you think in some cases they've kind of let a few slip or for politics they intention. this draft is here because of the supreme court's order the supreme court is definitely willing to end it but on the ground because they were told that they're in the process is over saw it is obvious that the drop should have come and on the ground lot of people who should have been in the list are not in the list there is army officer who tells me that he was told by the vetted because an officer that his verification was ok his name will be there but his name is not there most of the people who have been dropped half the family is there the families not that the parents' names are there the children's names are not there so that obviously these equations i mean that was very efficient and in certain cases the legacy person is not there their children's or
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their certainly sounds as though the whole process has been rushed they've got a draft list out too quickly people with passports really should be on the list shouldn't i and yet they're not all but people or most of the people that i have come across the everyone has documented and they should have been in the list like you see by one passport holder had been dropped so definitely they should have been there and why they are not there i think the n.s.a. ought to should explain why get not there when the supreme court ordered the n.r.c. that was not of and who says in because i have toward. almost interests and particularly in the areas dominated by religious minorities so there was a lot of enthusiasts because one particular community the muslim community has always been branded as bangladeshis and they have been persecuted abused all these years all these decades as bangladeshis so when the on the rebel supreme court ordered an r.c. that was an to sit in there was a hope that finally this n.r.c. will be fully stocked with this politicization of the harassment of the abuse and
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when the bill welcomed the welcomed it will come down there still will come they still hope will. the process is monitored by the supreme court but when the b.g.p. came to power they came to power riding on the sentiment. of hate mongering saying that thirty five constituencies are dominated by bangladeshi muslims so since then the fear fear has. fear is there that in order on the ground there might be bias at the end of this process what could happen could people be kicked out of the country in theory i don't think because there is no deportation treaty. after the final list comes out people will be able to go to the foreignness tribunal the n.r.c. will not render in one state police they cannot brandon was for another that would be done one would buy it by judicial body a question additional body would you go for an astronaut what happens after this the government of india have to decide they're going to supreme court has to decide i mean it's an extreme comparison but it's
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a comparison nonetheless what's happened in myanmar and in rakhine states the ranger who had to leave that area again i think for more happened the government level to say you've got to leave or to kick them out but we all know what's happened there million have split into bangladesh in theory and i don't want to be alarmist but in theory it could happen here i believe in the idea of india we are a very vibrant democracy our judiciary vibrant our judiciary is independent we are not a banana republic like my own mother so i hope i sincerely hope that nothing else of such a growing it will happen in india because the supreme court will protect people the majority people in this country are outraged about this although it's a draft the medical people in this country is outraged so we had a completely different country from my own wish to volunteer janata party b j p is in government in india both nationally and recently at state level in assam to the
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policy under prime minister narendra modi is accused by many of sowing division in india pandering to its hindu base with political. attacks targeted at minorities the ill thought out assam and i'll say list is critics an example so that you mittal is a spokesman for the party why you think this list is necessary well it needs self respecting nation must identify who are not nationals of that country they've had a huge amount of infiltration from bangladesh and it is time that we identify who are not indian nationals but are you going about this in the right way i mean the number of people in that state that are not on the citizenship list four million as it stands now becomes remarkable not all but you have to look at the study city see till seventy run when the. war started. that's the cutoff point pretty forth march is secretive point people who killed him because of the civil
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war in bangladesh they were expected to go back after there after the liberation of been like this but they haven't they have stuck on bed so disturbing that they identified an isolated isolated but what will happen to them you say isolate that's a pretty harsh word kenya they're being put into a will there in their thousands and deportation lot of isolation doesn't mean physical isolation look when you allow foreign nationals to influence the polity of a state no but these are people in some cases who have been there for generations they have been there for generations but should they be voting for the should be there should they be altering the politics of some no these are not indian nationals and if they are not indian nationals they have no business to be on the voters' list you have to define ties them but how reliable is that voters list because we're hearing stories the brothers one brother is on the less than one printer isn't that a mother isn't much of a son is the very when you when you have venue undertaken excises of this magnitude
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there are always exceptions now using exceptions to discredit the rule i think that's preposterous. the norm is it is a good list they are exceptions they may be cases where it has not been properly done there is an opportunity people will get it done that's not the shoot see the opposition doesn't come from there the opposition comes from the fact that people who are not indian nationals have finally been identified see look at assam it saw such a bloody education to some movement in the late seventy's and early eighty's people how many people lost their lives because this is a son's demography cannot change a son's polity cannot change some sculpture cannot be changed by foreigners but this seems to be by picking on a sand states to put together a citizenship list is not being done anywhere else in the country it seems targeted frankly at muslims i have my do call it muslims the list today deals with
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bangladeshi infiltrators these up and bomb a majority of a million homeless so be it how does it matter why should everything be seen from the prism of religion but an awful lot of people think the bay j.p. your party is using this as a way to whip up nationalism in the run up to next year's national election this this either is a very helpful way very user of mind voters in india was it that you will crack down as infiltrators as you little you have committed to yes this country has seen a very peculiar politics of appeasement and anything which garners the votes from the minority community means appease them at the cost of national interest what is the national interest give me one country which does not want to identify who are citizens of the continued were not citizens of the country i'm not talking about pushing them back to bangladesh right now. i am saying this is
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a process which says these are not people what citizens the country no one is dead identified as not being citizens of the country the consequence is will follow you will stripe strip them of the citizenship first you were different sizes then there are rules to learn what is actually an anesthetist bangladesh won't take them back so we've all seen a similar situation one hopes it won't go anywhere near this but there ain't a crisis is it fresh in everyone's mind are we not going to have a situation where thousands millions but then usually rethrow rendered state will be stateless they will be solutions to the problems but that will not entitle them to become what is in the what did they cannot alter the demography or people or deal for some movie in fact by just as some in this country should be late for this or to the politics of india no demography of india no foreigners off a list at the end of the day and every respect every government is due to bound to
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identify when not trying to know and every nation has it is sponsibility of upholding your own constitution your constitution does not permit for the list to become in citizens there is a due process that is a citizenship act and anybody who qualifies to be a citizen out of that citizenship act may become a citizen but those who are not qualified to be citizens just because they have illegally entered should to be purposely to do what no should they be called indian citizens no i mean that is what is done everywhere what is unique about this nothing but the so-called secularist lobby of this country would lake everybody to believe that louis does directed towards muslims but will say see the numbers don't matter i mean all that matters in table and i love allow me see it maybe four million maybe three million it may be two million each one of those is a personal life and that is a really that is ok that's fine people who. illegal immigrants must be identified
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as illegal immigrants the numbers will give you the enormity of the situation and then you'll be. competent to deal with the enormity of the situation but as i said the stripping them of the citizenship doesn't matter there's no number given warning that when you strip them of citizenship you strip them of certain rights as well that is what i was well voting rights for wanting rights so should you have to give voting rights to somebody who's not a citizen are you saying that india's polity must be guided by people who are not indians they consider themselves indian nothing like a little bit never know for a long time and many generations and sometimes if people what to make indians and if they are only have been identified as not being use that to get connected what is a penny for that this is not the last word there is a whole lot macand ism of things there there bonafide he can be proved as i said don't use the exceptions to prove that or disprove the mood going on a rule is a rule a norm is a no exceptions is new are being used to describe the norm that's not fair.
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people in assam state have until the end of september to appeal their exclusion from the n.r.c. lest those whose appeals fail then risk losing the rights citizenship brings in could be made stateless to the south of bangladesh the consequence of labeling hundreds of thousands of people foreigners has led to what the united nations top human rights official was called a textbook case of ethnic cleansing no one has yet suggesting a repetition to bangladesh is no off but what is happening in assam has similarities and that here makes people scared. was.
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