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cost on al-jazeera. india is one of the most crowded countries on earth but not all who cool india home are indian they're all says the government millions of infiltrators in the state of a sound a sliver of the u.s. squeezed between bangladeshi who time those infiltrates is being identified. the state government has put together a list of those it views as legitimate citizens but four million of the state's thirty one million people. could be filled with name has been dropped out of what. they are definitely ready to. the list is creating disunity in one of the most
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religiously diverse parts of the country more than a billion people live in india speaking different languages and practicing many different religions hinduism dominates but there are millions of christians sikhs and buddhists too and india has one hundred seventy million muslims almost as many as pakistan in assam they make up more than a third of the population and that you feel the list is targeted at them yet the. money. will be better he got a new gun deaths a year he got and then now my hand i hear. the national register of citizens lists those who can prove they all their parents were in india before march nine hundred seventy one that was when bangladesh became independent from pakistan a new country was impoverished hundreds of thousands fled many across the border
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into india's assam india's government says those that came then or since should go back to bangladesh but bangladesh doesn't view those missing from the n.l.c. list ours bangladeshi it won't take them and most missing from the list anyway say their indian roots predate nine hundred seventy one and name day among a lot of time they are there. then they are. in power both the state level in assam and nationally is the hindu nationalist but a tier janata party b j p prime minister narendra modi has been accused of stirring up ethnic and religious divisions to shore up his political base next year he and his party face an election some c.d.'s sound system shit list as a way of reminding him to use right across india but the government is on their
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side a little longer ease minorities this country has seen a very peculiar politics of appeasement and anything which garners the road from the minority community needs to appease them at the cost of national interest. and certainty in a sound is causing tension security forces are on high alert although those missing from the n.r.c. list can appeal many fear they don't have the documents to prove they are indian and will end up stateless the future is one they fear tell me what you think about the list talk to al-jazeera travel to assam to hear from some of those missing from the list and challenge. those behind the exercise on why it is so necessary. in the remote village of wang yeah well over half the people are muslim and many perhaps most have just found out they are not on the n.l. c.
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list of numbers as a. village elders of call the crisis meeting to discuss how people should best mount their appeals sharifa khartoum is among those whose families are being called infiltrators she is worried thank you very much for talking to al-jazeera can you tell me first of all how many people roughly in this village are not on the list was someone who was. also manuel ryan are simple and i one know. of them are you sad the man one might. have the money are you so much that other men ma'am and i stick my head that the ground man with a book by see what blood is that i'm here up on my my he says and that's the i'm a look on my my hand i now look at book bison with a lot of book legacy i'm a look at home mom i had my i'm
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a little book legacy year. and i think. he got a knock on the usa. are you on the list one mum polished up my mom polish but my more of. a battle. my world. by saw more of that all covered by candy pocketbook by c.m.s. it's not my hand i recommend to prices your father or family stuck in her bed. why are people here crying what are they worried will happen yet the world resolution of mom mahala monocoque wears the b. day he forgot to come there so here today he got another mom on hand i hear going over here that i'm d.s. was biased and being labeled a foreigner what would that mean. the whole at the bottom of the sequel had to get the candy that was a lot more trouble to cotton candy thank you the appeals process people can still
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get on the list at a later stage have you got confidence and much more capacity moving. by until you move on i'm going until we're numb for various good to get then the man he will lose i have forgotten i have quit he says and i'm glad he's a lawyer nash sees i have also at the last one to question move mom are a possible sort of. lerma surly a little but certain mama he says. and i was drawing from blank yet is the town of now go on there another family is worried the family has indian passports but they don't seem to be enough has a bad message says she thinks she's one hundred three and has always lived in assam
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but she's not on the list. well you've heard all of labor. where others have their wallet and you were giving. up are you able. strangely i suppose nessa son's name is on my list but not his wife's and other names are missing to ask first how surprised you were that both your mother and your wife were not on the list i'm surprised because you are the we are they all resilient in the bit and in evident of the this land. and all generations you know spread back to the home age the kingdom and saw. in our generations are here they're born and there they have died so it is quite
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surprising that i was going as a foreigner as a man which is ultimately that as you know when they're naming or they're in an area city or the borderless come so that means advance their list of partners so your mother was born here is your wife clearly was born here is this recent them and his worn here and yet they're not on the list how does that make them and you feel if it is very odd because. it doesn't make any sense. as you know that if you did if somebody you know an indian on the innocent of a particular country a citizen of a country he go to he go to i come from different country all they're going to have a different and their parent then the limits of the palace different than india but all of a sudden you find yourself as india straights do you think the reason is that they're not on the list i mean like a passport. i don't see the damage not be foreigners here but the thing is that they or isn't really the whole concept of having a doubtful voters of for
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a sense of for nothing like it is against even though initially it was born or to be against below this year or something but ultimately translate to i mean boils down to the fact that it is dug into the muslims. what are the potential consequences of being found to be a known citizen as your so far your wife and mother of only one word can be described by this is disastrous they would be used disaster yes they won't be able to get passports i want employment to work legally here say they will not be able to go for higher education and their normal day to even their normal day to day life will be affected and their children would they be able to go to school and also there will be a whole generation down the line and be affected by this they're going to get the eyes of people simple they'll make a ghetto and then lake what happened there so this is not just i mean this is the ultimate idea. two it's sort of the state of s.
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picture what you call it make them not they'll be able to breed economically that's very strong to compare it to hitler and this is the worst case scenario in terms of potato water body politic simulate genocide i mean interjections we don't deny that foreigners to be out from here definitely as. if they're not the citizen of this country this will be here we don't say that there's no foreigners there maybe some foreigners but this is not the full proof system to weed out the foreigners like this doesn't community feel targeted at them you see this whole community fox any muslim community the first the the sentence will be years to our community the measure measure of the cases of muslims if you go to the court anywhere in find the people those who are looking for work humans then trying to straighten out the documents and having the going legalized that all muslims lips can see anyway it
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why do you think they would want to target the muslim community i'm not talking from my side even konami feeling for all the muslims here they feel that way that this is the extension of the prevailing situation all over india this is the ultimate aim is to reduce the the muslim population and of the privileges. and that can only happen if the make some scheme or for this source where the muslim influence or pollution is skirted that's what we believe the so this is the appeals process clear. the no that is i think there is no defined guy lens probably on this very confusing people learn or even people those who phone themself in the door to go to list then of clear that what they want to do a list of the pros some some lawyer and pay some have to fees. and in the normal person
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they do not know what the little suit it's a given very clear from the beginning either from the energy office of from the. election office. with four million people's names missing from the n.r.c. list a huge appeals process is now underway most people are too poor to hire lawyers but some human rights lawyers are getting involved anyway when you saw that number four million people left of the list was that number surprised the way it was surprising for me i was not expecting that poured a million people to be dropped but then the fact remains that this is on the draft not final and i see saw there was one stallion which came in december thirty first two thousand and seventeen and this is the this is the second they're calling it a campaign draft but at the end of it is a draft no one is rendered stateless and no one will be called foreigners after this is only a draft nevertheless that's caused a lot of worry hasn't it with people whose name has been dropped are worried. and
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they are definitely worth it but because there is a process there is an opportunity called gleams where people can reapply so that process had to be made fair and transparent and judicious to quell this and this fear that location forms are a little complex and enterprises are very scientific very stringent. saw or obviously it would it would have to be a little complex and if it was easier. than a lot of or wrong people would have been sneaking to eat so there is no doubt that for poor people for illiterate people to feel love these forms is difficult but that is where the role of civil society comes in or you come for the the draft list has been put together with the best intentions that those administering its wanted to get as many people who are legitimately entitled to be on the list on that list or do you think in some cases
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they've kind of let a few slip of politics they endanger in. this draft is here because of the supreme court's order the supreme court is definitely willing to end it but on the ground because they were told that they're in the process is over saw it is obvious that the draft should have come and on the ground lot of people who should have been in the list are not in the list there is army officer who tells me that he was told by the very big officer that his verification was ok his name will be there but his name is not there most of the people who have been dropped the family is there the families not that the parents' names are there the children's names are not there so that obviously raises a question as i mean that was very efficient and in certain cases the legacy person is not there their children's or their certainly sounds as though the whole process has been rushed they've got a draft list up too quickly people with passports really should be on the list
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shouldn't i and yet they're not all but people or most of the people that i have come across the everyone has document and they should have been in the list like you see by one passport holder had been dropped so definitely they should have been there and why they are not there i think the n.s.a. artificial explain why get not there when the supreme court ordered the n.r.c. there was not of and who says in because i have toward. almost into a sample. clearly the areas dominated by religious minorities so there was a lot of enthusiasts because one particular community the muslim community has always been branded as bangladeshis and they have been persecuted abused all these years all these decades as bangladeshis so when the on the the supreme court ordered an r.c. that was and was in there was a hope that finally this n.r.c. will put a full stop to this politicization of the harassment of the abuse and when the bill welcomed the welcomed it will come there still will come they still hopeful that the process is monitored by the supreme court but when the b.g.p.
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came to power they came to power riding on the sentiment in a way of hate mongering saying that thirty five constituencies are dominated by bangladeshi muslims so since then the fear fear has. fear is there that in order on the ground there might be bias at the end of this process what could happen could people be kicked out of the country in theory of i don't think because there is no deportation treaty. after the final list comes out people will be able to go to the foreignness tribunal the n.r.c. will not render in one state police they cannot brandon was for another that would be done one bit by a by judicial body a question additional body would you go for an astronaut what happens after this the government of india have to decide they're going to supreme court has to decide and it's an extreme comparison but it's a comparison nonetheless what's happened in myanmar and in rakhine state the hindu who had to leave that area again i think for more happened the government level to
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say you've got to leave or to kick them out but we all know what's happened there million have split into bangladesh in theory and i don't want to be alarmist but in theory it could happen here i believe in the idea of india we are a very vibrant democracy our judiciary vibrant our judiciary is independent we are not a banana republic like my own mother so i hope i sincerely hope that nothing as. such a growing it will happen in india because the supreme court will protect people the majority people in this country are outraged about this although it is a draft the medical people in this country has outraised so or we had a completely different country from my english ability as janata party b j p is in government in india both nationally and recently at state level in assam to the party and the prime minister narendra modi is accused by many of sowing division in india pandering to its hindu base with political attacks targeted at minorities the
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ill thought out assam and i'll see you list is critics an example so once you mittal is a spokesman for the party why you think this list is necessary well it needs self respecting nation must identify who are not nationals of that country we've had a huge amount of infiltration from bangladesh and it is time that we identify who are not indian nationals but are you going about this in the right way i mean the number of people in the states that are not on the citizenship list four million as it stands now between is remarkable but you have to look at the study city see seventy one when the. war started. that's the cutoff point pretty forth march is secretive point people who kill him because of the civil war in bangladesh they were expected to go back after their after the liberation of the leftist but they haven't they have struck home dead so disturbing that they
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identified an isolated isolated but what will happen to them you say isolate that's a pretty harsh word kenya that being put into a will there are now thousands and deportation lot of isolation doesn't mean physical isolation look when you allow foreign nationals to influence the polity of a state no but these are people who in some cases who have been there for generations they have been dead for generations but should they be voting for the should be should they be on the politics of some no these are not indian nationals and if they are not indian nationals they have no business to be on the voters' list you have to defend chinese them but how reliable is that voters list because we have a hearing stories the brothers one brother is on the less than one printer isn't that a mother isn't much of a son is that i mean when you when you with when you undertake an excise of this magnitude there are always exceptions no using exceptions to discredit the rule that's preposterous. did normally is it is
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a good list they are exceptions they may be cases where it has not been properly done there is an opportunity people will get it done that's not the shoot see the opposition doesn't come from dead the opposition comes from the fact that people who are not indian nationals have finally been identified see look at assam it saw such a bloody education to some movement in the late seventy's and early eighty's people how many people lost their lives because this is a son's demography cannot change a son's polity cannot change our sums culture cannot be changed by foreigners but this seems to be by picking on a sand state to put together a citizenship list is not being done anywhere else in the country it seems targeted frankly at muslims i have my do college good slim's the list today deals with bangladeshi infiltrators these up and bomb the majority of a million homeless so be it how does it matter why should everything be seen from
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the prism of religion but an awful lot of people think the big j.p. your party is using this as a way to whip up nationalism in the run up to next year's national election this this either is a very helpful way distributer of mind voters in india white that you will crack down as infiltrators even when you have committed to yes this country has seen a very peculiar politics of appeasement and anything which garners the votes from the minority community needs a peace that at the cost of national interest. what is the national interest give me one country which does not want to identify who are citizens of that continued were not citizens of the country i'm not talking about pushing them back to bangladesh right now i am saying this is a process which says these are not people who are citizens of the country not once that identify this not being citizens of the country the consequences will follow
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you will stripe strip them of the citizenship first you were different sizes then their rules then what is actually an anesthetist bangladesh won't take them back so we've all seen a similar situation. one hopes it won't go anywhere near this but there ain't a crisis is it fresh in everyone's mind are we not going to have a situation where thousands millions but they don't usually rethrow are rendered stable be stateless they will be solutions to the problems but that will not entitle them to become what is in the water they cannot alter the demography or people or deal for some movie in fact right just as some in this country should be late for this or to the politics of india no demography of india no foreigners often list at the end of the day and every respect every government is due to bound to identify when not final and every nation has it is sponsibility of upholding your own constitution your constitution does not permit for the list
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to become in citizens there is a due process that is a citizenship act and anybody who qualifies to be a citizen out of that citizenship act may become a citizen but those who are not qualified to be citizens just because they have illegally entered should to be purposely to do what no should they be called indian citizens no i mean that is what is done everywhere what is unique about this nothing but the so-called secularist lobby of this country would like everybody to believe that movie does directed towards muslims but what i can see. you see the numbers don't matter i mean people in the paper low i don't see it maybe four million maybe three million it maybe two million each one of those is a personal life and that is a really that is ok that's fine people who were illegal immigrants must be identified as illegal immigrants the numbers will give you the enormity of the situation and then you'll be. competent to deal with the enormity of the situation
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but as i said the stripping them of the citizenship doesn't matter there's no number given warning that when you strip them of citizenship you strip them of certain rights as well then what types well voting rights for wanting rights so should you have to give voting rights to somebody who's not a citizen are you saying that india's polity must be guided by people who are not indians they consider themselves indian that they look at that they never know for a long time and many generations and sometimes if people who are legitimate indians and if they are only have been identified as not being ignorant that to get elected what is a penny for that this is not the last word there is a whole lot of machismo of things that they're bonafide he can be proved as i said don't use the exceptions to prove that or disprove the mood a rule is an enormous no exceptions is that you are being used to describe the norm that's not fair. people in assam state have until the end of september to appeal their exclusion
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from the n.r.c. list those whose appeals fail then risk losing the rights to citizenship brings and could be made stateless to the south of bangladesh the consequence of labeling hundreds of thousands of people foreigners as let's what the united nations top human rights official it's called a textbook case of ethnic cleansing no one has yet suggesting a repetition to bangladesh's north but what is happening in assam has similarities and that here makes people scared. our. i know jews might. and managers are much too old my mind finds his bronze keyed up to his religion doesn't he need to call you for the just when you should
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