so the agent says but this may well backfire because it is a colossal news story internationally and we haven't heard the end of it in any shape or form it's going to build and build. andrew with the latest there for us let's go to ankara now or c.n.n. can say hello is joining is cinnamon did the turks have been in charge of this investigation and there's been very little official public statements but there's been a lot of leaks along the way so can you kind of draw the line between this information that is trickled out to now the saudis changing their story. world rachelle actually jews story is this case is a very delicate case and it's very sensitive it has an international impact it is not binding only for turkey or it is saudi arabia but europe united states and

other arab countries as well but of course. turkey's prosecutor's office the hasn't delivered in a statement until today because the investigation was still underway and the binding i mean the key point of the investigation which is damascus shook his body was still unknown no one was able to find it so since they didn't have the body they weren't able to bring together some parts of the puzzle but of course i believe and many of the analysts in turkey believe that the leakage is from the police sources from the prosecutor's office sometimes from the intelligence the leaks to the media was actually the leverage to create an international pressure over saudi arabia because if these linkages weren't there no one would able to know that because the brissac eaters will are not allowed to talk about an ongoing

pursuing case until every evidence is collected so as a journalist we are following we are trying to. stay on the facts but of course we must say that we were said meant that those leaks really helped a lot through international media and the turkish media to put pressure over saudi arabia and receive reaction from both middle east iraq countries european countries and the united states the spite mr trump was kind of on the willing what do we know about what the communication has been between a president or a wine and saudi arabia. will this this was a second foreign talk with. when king saul mana and president are due on and the first one was last sunday the other one happened late at light at very late hours of tonight as far as we know king cell man called president are

drawn and he he mentioned that he's ready to exchange information about the ongoing investigation in saudi arabia there is a parallel investigation but after we received we learnt the details of this form talk and the dismissals i spoke to some turkish officials i spoke to two of them and they told me that saudi officials from the prosecutors or security had never shared any information about the investigation that is under way in saudi arabia it's just going sell man who said that they were all ready to share information so this is important because this incident is the disappearance or murder however you would like to name it it happened in turkey that's why the case the investigation will be completed in turkey and the indictment is going to be prepared in turkey but of course on the other hand. this is

a criminal case and it happened in istanbul so turkey is after that turkey's prosecutor's offices after that and the binding thing is again i must repeat it is jim. buddy and the prosecutor's office say that as long as they've they they will keep up following chasing this case until his body is found because when the body is found it's going to show whether he he really died during a brawl or fighting or whether he was tortured or whether he was chopped into pieces as some media outlets have been reporting so now it is it is a positive sign for the turkish side that the saudis had a step to dismiss the so. called perpetrators but of course we know that old is intelligence officers all the sickly fifteen members square team were very close to were very close aides to mohamed bin cell man. but of course now people are have

been judging mohammad bin sound man this is not the first occasion he he kidnapped the dissidents from other countries we have two similar incidents before they even . even kidnapped mr hariri and people who are silent and if the international platform international public opinion is silent towards jews murder just because saudi arabia admitted that he died during a brawl then what is next now this is the important question what is next by mohammed bin some on ok casella live for us in ankara thank you very much so the white house has now reacted to this sad confirmation of the show he's killing patty kahane joins us live with that part of the story from washington d.c. so patty what are what are we hearing from the truck ministration. well we just to give you a sense the president president donald trump is on the west coast of the united states he's doing table discussion on defense matters he'll do a rally in just

a little bit but there we've heard a paper statement read a paper statement from white house press secretary sarah sanders i think just basically some of the statement you can basically get a sense of where the administration is by looking at treasury secretary minutia and he said after days of pressure being told don't go to saudi arabia investment conference that he was going to go but then they announced that he was still going to go to saudi arabia to talk about the anti-terrorism conference so really trying to have it both ways so let's put up that statement so you can get a sense of exactly what the white house to say again from sarah sanders quote the united states acknowledges the announcement from the kingdom of saudi arabia that its investigation into the fate of jamal khashoggi is progressive and that has taken actions against the suspects it has identified thus far we will continue to closely follow the international investigations into this tragic incident and advocate for justice that is timely transparent and in accordance with all due process we are saddened to hear confirmation of mr death and we offer our deepest

condolences to his family fiance and friends so really basically saying we're concerned but we're going to we're going to hold back on judgment until we hear more don't know how well that's going to play with members of congress who have expressed outrage from both political parties republicans and democrats just to give you a sense of what's happening it's friday night in washington d.c. this is when you put out stories that you don't want to get a lot of play it isn't working if you turn on any of the cable news channels including the channel that the president watches almost exclusively fox news it is being predominately played as the lead story and really it is consistent every expert every pundit every politician who has been on the air so far has said basically the same thing to say that they simply just don't believe this story and that it is implausible that a man of his age would get into a fight. fight with as many as fifteen saudi operatives some of them trained in

special forces they believe it isn't plausible that they just happened to have a forensic scientist in the consulate who just happened to have a bone saw so that they just freaked out so bad that they cut up his body and didn't tell anyone for seventeen days so the immediate reaction from the u.s. right now for the people you see on t.v. and the people you read on twitter and the people that the president listens to is this doesn't make it a lot more about that reaction specifically you mentioned senator lindsey graham republican senator lindsey graham who seems to have the president's ear he has been very very critical from the very beginning. the disappearance. that. pass the smell test to him and he really seems quite skeptical now that the story has changed batty. he has it he's put out on twitter and keep in mind just some perspective for you he actually went on television again fox news what the president walks is and said sending a message to saudi arabia if you're listening m.b.'s mohammed bin saul mom has to go advocating change in saudi arabia that was a pretty extreme statement from

a sitting u.s. senator but he put out a tweet basically saying that this is just first we were told mr left the consulate and there was a plane then the saudi involvement now fight breaks out and he's killed in the consulate with all without the knowledge of the crown prince i think he ran out of characters to put a question mark there but obviously something skeptical that the crown prince did not only know about this but have a hand in making it happen we're also hearing to see him tweets from senate democrats. that are from new jersey's very powerful in this committee and he basically said the global magnitsky act does not have any exceptions for accidents why does that matter well the magnitsky act is something that congress has already triggered they sent a letter to the president said you have one hundred twenty days figure out what happens if the g.'s human rights are violated then we will put in saying sions and they can put in sanctions they can sanction individuals they can freeze assets the

thing that's been spoke about spoken about a lot in washington is that it is time to punish the saudis by simply taking away the u.s. military capability in yemen they're helping not only with targeting but with three feeling that would make the war in yemen very very hard for the saudis to continue at the pace it has been at a lot of people in congress talking about taking these sorts of steps they're all basically they're waiting waiting to see what the president is going to say i don't think we have an indication from his statement this paper statement of exactly where they want to go he's made it clear he doesn't want to censure the saudis but congress is also sending the message if you don't we will so and patty to that point just to stay close i want to play something for our viewers because a little while ago earlier before this admission came. that shows he was killed in the saudi consulate so that he would consider sanctions against saudi arabia over this. case pardon me he said that he will involve congress and whatever decision he

makes so here's that. well i think it's too early to say we want to see it we're doing investigations right now we have a lot of people working on it we do and we have other countries working on it as you know it's a very serious problem people are going to be very much involved in this too and directly and directly. something that we don't like it's very serious stuff and we're going to get to the bottom of it and will make that determination i would have very much congress involved in determining what to do we have four hundred fifty billion dollars worth of things ordered from a very rich country so to arabia. six hundred thousand jobs maybe more than that and be very hurtful to this country if we said oh we're not going to sell it so there are other things we could do but i would certainly make that recommendation to congress but i would very much listen to what congress has to say they feel very

strongly about it also so i'll be doing this with the congress i do hope that they'll be able to. see the way to clear to take to make these products we're talking about almost every state in the union is affected because it's the largest order ever given i did this i went to saudi arabia first and a large part of the reason is they agreed to do this they agreed to spend four hundred fifty billion dollars on buying and investing in the united states so i hope we can keep that hope we don't lose track of that there are plenty of other things we can do but really going to have some answers pretty quickly but i will have congress involved. could be could be going to find that we're going to find out who knew what when and where. and we'll figure it out. ok patty he settled a lot there let's start with the few things he's been very clear very black and white that it seems that the bottom line at least for him seems to come down to the

money he made a point of having to talk about how rich saudi arabia is he he's mentioned six hundred thousand jobs for the fifty billion dollars. or any of those things rooted in facts. no not a one that anyone can tell let's keep in mind when president trump went to saudi arabia he talked about one hundred ten billion dollars in arms deals and nobody could prove that number as he said it most they've signed just over fourteen billion dollars i believe is the number that was tracked so the hundred ten billion people are saying well that's because they said they might buy certain equipment they might sign letters that eventually they want to buy that equipment some of the deals were made under president barack obama so that was one hundred ten billion dollars and now as this president tends to do he has inflated that to four hundred fifty billion dollars worth of things ordered there know things that have been

ordered that come anywhere near four hundred fifty billion dollars six hundred thousand jobs again not rooted in any semblance of facts he possibly is talking about jobs created by the entire defense industry but no this is not true this is a lie this is not a fact that is but it's still the president keeps talking about this number and we will you've seen as members of congress especially the democrats are saying this number doesn't make any sense what is he talking about so now we've seen them start to go well what about his personal finances is the president personally getting money from saudi arabia he came out with a tweet said i had no money from saudi arabia to which the fact checkers brought out every statement he's made over the last two years about how much money he makes from saudi arabia so there are some democrats are saying we need an investigation we need to get to the bottom of this we didn't know if saudi arabia's money is personally enriching the president and that could be leading to this hesitation but again democrats don't control congress either the house or the senate so they don't

have the subpoena power to do just that the midterm elections are about three weeks away and if that changes in either of the houses expect that this is a subject that will be investigated in that statement as well patty he seemed incredibly deferential to what congress thought about this but in a lot of ways he has to be because they do have some say so and this just explain that to us. they absolutely have a say so on this and i think that is something that a lot of people look at the u.s. government forget the president is the most high profile aspect of the government but he is one of three equal co-equal branches of government so the congress does have the power they have the ability and we've already seen that we've had a senator come out and say that's it no new arms sales to saudi arabia he's going to put a hold on that they can do that officially they can do it unofficial they've said they're going to do that so they can do that just the power of one more than that now that the magnitsky act has been invoked they can demand that the administration

report to them sell them exactly what they think happened and this is an interesting development the president. controls basically the intelligence agencies senator corker a republican the chairman of a very influential committee said that the intelligence community said they simply would not provide him information this week he can force them to do just that so the congress has shown that they are really angry at the doe they believe this crosses the line that many of them say they want to take action if enough of them do that and the president tries to stop them they can he can be overridden and let stuff forget this is a story the one foreign affairs story that has not gone away for the president there were some reporting that they thought that it would just blow over it and let's not forget who jamal khashoggi was he was a member of the elites the intellectual elites in washington they're not talked about they are powerful he was a member of the press the washington post his newspaper is not going to let this go

and none of the powerhouse journalists in this country are going to let this go so well this story be from saudi arabia do anything to quell the controversy if you look at cable news right now the answer is quite simply no people just are saying this doesn't make any same stepdown the opposite in fact all right patti will hang live for us in washington patty thank you so this is how saudi state media announced his shows. at the cut of what he got the i thought i knew about that i'ma the first investigation by prosecutors regarding the disappearance of saudi citizen jamal khashoggi shows a discussion between him and the people he met while he was at the saudi consulate in istanbul led to an argument and a quarrel. which caused his death saudi prosecutors announced that the investigation regarding the scase is still ongoing with the arrest of eighteen saudi nationals in order to reveal what took place for the public and punish those

responsible in this case and take them to justice it's already been as president of the washington strategy group and was the deputy assistant secretary of state who joins us via skype from maryland so first of all thank you so played some of that announcement and what is coming at a sad a saudi arabia is that a sixty one year old man got into a fight with trained killers potentially but actually fifteen other men in a row. do you know what are you going to do what are you doing with that yeah now it's great to be with you in my first reaction as well as jews who have weeks the best examples that come up with this farcical story that makes no sense nobody's going to believe here in washington we're in the world and nor should they do she's too many facts circumstantial facts about how the markets u.g. was killed yeah it was few this explanation and we don't even have the body and i

hate to see it like that but. there is no clearly really about what took lucy sheets to statements and salaries so. it's not going well here in washington so what what is the answer what what can get better answers more answers what can actually get to the truth. well what can get to the truth is an independent investigation that goes in and gauges the saudis and gauges the turks uses americans halogens assets and really pull together the story we need a it could be a united nations special inspector of some nature or someone from nato from the european union but remember turkey is a nato member and to have them go in and really assess what took place from the beginning to the end and call out by name who was responsible for this until then we only have sort of half measures we have the guilty party now investigating

itself as saudis have admitted that there are people killed him in the consulate so they are the guilty party and so there's no independent verification so it's only going to create more contention and we need an independent investigation to really bring clarity to all of the details related to this this heinous act what does it say to you about. can it have a habit and solid. well it certainly sounds like they're trying to protect him even some and right now there's been a lot of discussion here in washington to talk about washington in this case a lot of discussion about whether or not this would be the end of bin summons renewed his leadership role is essential session to the throne so the pressure from washington is real this is a political crisis here it's across party lines it's with congress it's certainly within the national security apparatus of the u.s. government but for now at least the king seems to want to be holding on but i still

gauge this reaction just as did several days ago when they slowed it sort of trial balloons about the market she could show she may be disappearing maybe not being there some other elements those didn't fly missler fly either and you'll have to assess whether excuse after after excuse is going to word or real real decision making a real leadership in a real responsibility is taken for this act you know what one can understand wanting to be cautious. when it comes to a critical of an ally so i guess one can perhaps understand a little bit of the journey and how it started that president donald trump has been on about their let's wait let's wait let's wait but having said that why so long and journey for him to get to this flight what is explain the hazard and say

that connection. well you know the best friends are the ones who speak openly and honestly with each other allies should have the ability to disagree need believes to call out their ally when they're doing something wrong we get criticized by their allies all the time and our president trump gets criticized here domestically and that's part of the process but this white house has seemed very reluctant to be critical of all of saudi arabia in any way and that's because there are broader strategic objectives there in case you saudi arabia on. the pressure on iran their hopes for saudi support for middle east peace making be a defense deals that the president seems to speak about but haven't yet materialized and there is a lot of issues there and also there are questions about the personal connections and is the president getting funded or supported financially by the saudis care because here as well

a lot of unknowns there and so at the end of the day what we see is a white house that is basically tongue tied and this is not a white house that is tongue tied typically hold back when they have feelings about an issue but the statements in i your colleague read was an incredibly neutral in the way they responded didn't want to commit in either direction and that's really not the kind of leadership that americans are looking for when there's a question of real moral judgment and real strategic leadership. at play in on display ok if i can just stay close for just a moment we're going to. go now to where a president i'll have a spit live where is this arizona. just great companies. very important that i don't want to tell them of i don't want to cover and tell marilyn to denisov by the way we're going to take twenty five billion dollars worth of cells away from me because we've been a lot of jobs have been a lot of everything. and saudi arabia has been

a great ally but what happened is not acceptable we are going to say they are. they've arrested just for the people at the table a large number of people having to do with the event that took place in turkey and the consulate the saudi consulate and. it's a big first step totally first step but it's a big first that. i do i do i mean it's again it's early we haven't finished our review or investigation but it's. i think it's a very important first step and it happened sooner than people thought it would happen and the notion that. oh. you know well i don't know that that was i don't know that that's an issue of that was that's a theory that's being thrown out i don't we're going to but he said that but. they're saying there was a fight but that's a theory that was put out but they're going to be giving us a full report but they have arrested a large number of people and

a good first step. of the years of their life or you know i don't think so because they say they weren't out front of me in terms of you know what happens they thought this is really you just got this report from them and you got it all right a lot of other people. i think that. will be talking to them we'll see what happens we may have some question to do have some questions and as i told you have to work you know this with congress congress is very interested in this one of the will be working with congress but i would prefer. if there is going to be some form of sanction or what we may determine to do if anything because this was a lot of people they're talking about and people pretty high up but i would prefer that we don't use as retribution canceling one hundred ten billion dollars worth of work which means six hundred thousand jobs i know it sounds easy as it sounds good

a lot of people have said oh so it's just let's just not sell them one hundred ten billion or i get you take it a step further let's not sell them four hundred fifty billion which is the largest order in the history of our country i went there to get that water. saudi arabia was my first stop and everyone thought that was unusual but i said i want to order i went to the water tremendous amount of stuff but everything your stuff and everybody stuff and wilbur was there they were four hundred fifty billion. dollars there's never been anything like it or trust the last thing i want to do was say we're not going to you know we're not going to supply you with that and therefore would a cut i guess if you add the whole thing up because just for the military we're six hundred thousand jobs so now if you're talking about there was one hundred ten billion you know you're talking about. over a million jobs you know i'd rather keep the million jobs and i'd rather find another solution but this was

a good first step today. and if they yes because lindsey graham said he's very skeptical of congress saudi charities are you serious about skepticism too when you speak with the crown prince or the key. to get here so i will before i start making those statements sort of speak to the crown prince and i've spoken to the king i want to speak with the crown prince. and you know i think we're getting close to solving a very big problem and again remembering the people around this table know it better than anyone lot of exactly knows it better than anyone and they've been a great ally in the middle east we need them as a counterbalance to iran and so it's not just simple solutions not the simplest situation to be in but i think we're i think we're doing very well i think we've come a long way in a short period to him and it will get solved if it gets to a place it. is on the security of the parcel of the east india company

in charge of getting that party off to what we have third parties and word volved word. turkey is involved and i wouldn't say they're exactly friends. i would think that turkey and saudi arabia they're not too friendly. and turkey is involved and others are involved frankly a risk. people are not happy about what happened but this is a very big turnover when you look at the number. people that. there is a very big there was a very important give a did and they did it too you know we thought you got to be the end of next week they didn't choose which i think is very smart but no i would i would have to say they have been around and we've had great relationships with them this is a horrible event. that has not gone unnoticed. and can be to be in some regions were grounded in one of the places where this is who we have to

go is really stepped up to the plate which is. you know we've been very nice to mexico we have the worst immigration laws are the history of the world they're incompetent and. you have a great president donald trump answering some questions there about this change in story this the story that is coming out of saudi arabia or their knowledge being that the washington post journalist was in fact killed and their consulate the story that they have put forth is that he was involved in a fight and that resulted in his death donald trump saying. giving the saudis credit for this story that many find implausible he's giving them credit for coming forth with this he's calling it a first step he's saying that it will get solved but he spent a significant part of the time. making a case again for why he feels so strongly about. continuing ties at least at this

point with saudi arabia he mentioned some numbers that are quite frankly just not based in fact saying that he has negotiated deals with saudi that have led to at one point he said six hundred thousand jobs a few seconds later he said a million jobs that that's not an accurate number. saying that there's four hundred fifty billion dollars worth of deals that he negotiated with saudi arabia that number is also not accurate with the bottom line being that he seems to continue to say that if he dared very difficult for him to change the relationship with saudi arabia regardless of. what happened to jamal khashoggi simply based on money that seems to be the bottom line calculation for him for now but he says that he believes that we will get more information and this is just a first step so let's go back to ruben as a president the washington strategy group and was the deputy assistant assistant secretary of state joe were you listening were you able to catch that. yes there was yes i was waiting for the president to continue to raise the number of american

jobs that he created from this if he'd kept on that train maybe we would have had two million jobs now created as you say lose numbers aren't in reality and what he's doing as though is is to the bigger picture points out the transactional nature of this president his willingness to essentially sell out american values and hold onto autocratic regimes as quickly as he can if they offer what he perceives to be a good deal in north korea saudi arabia in this case we're putin with russia one should be able to deal with difficult adversaries and allies in be strategic about it without having to sacrifice their values in communicating what it is that we stand for as a country and next seems to be what's happening right now i think washington is collectively in a bipartisan way waiting for the president to actually show

a little bit of outrage and a little bit of real concern about the decision making in saudi arabia to allow something like this but the killing of an american resident journalist in a foreign capital that is a nato ally to allow it to go for the next should have been some level of concern and outrage but it seems like the president is more than happy to have some of the excuse like they just put out that helps him to make the case it's time to move on ok we'll have to say what they had x. evolution of the story is chill thank you very much so we are continuing our special coverage of the death of sat a journalist so just under a couple of hours ago saudi arabia confirmed that he was killed and had their consulate in istanbul what riyadh is saying is that a fight broke out. there reminding he was sixty one years. that there was a fight between him and people at the consulate and that he died during that brawl

riyadh has fired the deputy head of intelligence at royal court adviser also three others and eighteen saudis have been arrested a few hours ago the turkish president. and the saudi king saudi king solomon discussed the case by phone they apparently emphasize continuing to cooperate in this investigation and before of the latest revelations donald trump said that he would make recommendations over what action to take in this case he said that he would consider sanctions against saudi arabia although publicly he still seems to be very very resistant to do that so let's go back to enter simmons's live outside the saudi consulate in istanbul andrew the story now that is coming out of saudi is completely different than what was said. over the last seventeen days give us the latest. well the very

latest is a reuters news wire out of washington d.c. quoting an official a saudi official who remains anonymous who says he's close to the investigation very much aware of what's going on in terms of the saudis and this is what he's tells reuters there were no orders for them to kill or even specifically kidnap you know this official is searching you know blatantly clear a mama been some on all of any involvement in what happened he said mom had been someone had no knowledge of this specific operation and certainly did not order a kidnapping or mood of anybody he will have been aware of the general instruction to tell people to come back now does that explain how that is the question does that explain how. fifteen people on two specially chartered jets

should fly into istanbul and set themselves up in this consulate and then meet meet and actually within minutes kill him cut up his body that doesn't necessarily fit with this picture really what's becoming more and more clear is that there seems to be the whole structure of the announcements in the middle of the night from a riyadh that seems to be that mohammed bin solomon is not responsible even though the two key figures who have been fired a royal court advisor. the tawny key advisor to now haven't been solomon and also the deputy intelligence chief but siri another key figure the face of the war in yemen he gives all the briefings and he's the official spokesman for the saudis this is a man these rogue figures who just decided to get on

a plane and come out and mount this operation these are questions that. in the actions of king solomon himself because he is the signatory to all of these orders that have been given including the complete root and branch reform of the general intelligence agency that of course is going to be headed that is that whole operation to reform it is going to be headed by the king's son mohammed bin solomon himself so it would seem that this is a clear whole range of announcements also an admission. and actually a phrase here may god rest his soul that is applying to g. himself because they're making out it was effectively an act. wouldn't but when you look at the turkish position when you hear all the links about the audiotape which

the turks the turkish government and the presidency seem to insist on in their hands they will not release them to any other country and that includes saudi arabia we think they certainly not they are adamant that this from the very get go was an operation to kill this journalist who writes in the washington post as his fiance was waiting for the papers to come through for the both of them to get married and now we have seventeen days on this situation richelle. interests emmons all right andrea. thank you very much let's go now to sami hondius editor in chief international and as he joins us from london sami were you able to listen to any of donald trump speaking just a moment ago and if not i can tailor a bit about what he said because i'm curious were you able to listen here i heard is a statement i heard what he said and i don't think it's necessarily strange to hear

that from donald trump it's very consistent with what he said before remember he was the first person to come up with this idea to float the idea of the rogue elements conducting the killing. i showed you before even the saudis didn't he was the first one to reiterate he's the one who came with that incredible statement that paraphrasing but why would i give one hundred ten billion dollars for somebody who was not even a u.s. citizen i think donald trump has been very keen to protect the saudis in this limited damage that might haven't been said meant specifically received from these accusations and from the heat and the reasons are quite clear to be honest there are there are many people focusing on the personal relation between donald trump and we have a bit but i think it's more than that the u.s. has never had a prince in saudi arabia or lead in saudi arabia so amenable to the interest in the middle east let's remember that mohammed bin cement is integrity to question is deal. the century it was mohammed bin said man who applied unprecedented pressure

on the palestinians to accept conditions israeli conditions that they would never normally accept it is mamma been said a man who has pitched himself as this war work against iranian influence that john bolton has been harping on about about how important it is for the u.s. to push the iranian influence back it is mohammed bin said man was told to us that i will give my economy handed over to american companies and i will imprison these religious authorities and i will bring liberalism to say arabia saying it was what you're saying that whatever you asked that i might never have added her to put it this way it sounds like you're making the case that that they specific the u.s. specifically wants to deal not just with saudi arabia they specifically want to deal with mohamed bin solomon it's not just about the relationship between the kingdom and the u.s. of course it is precisely this mohammed bin said man has done in the middle east issues what no saudi prince who had before him has ever done mohammed bin nayef or

these other princes or king for before him king abdullah would never have conducted themselves in the palestine or is it israel issue the way mama been simone has done and i think the proof is also that my pumping of blue twelve hours from the u.s. to saudi arabia for a fifteen minute meeting with king sent men and about a forty five minute with mohammed bin. importers of mohammed bin said man was such that that twelve hour journey going and thought well journey coming back was so important so i think with the u.s. has been trying to pull the stops not only that but here in the turks who have released their american pastor as a sign of goodwill to the u.s. and despite that donald trump yesterday with the day before if memory serves me correct question the existence of these recordings the existence of these tapes he said i haven't seen it they might exist they probably exist they possibly exist essentially he put pressure on the turks to prove their claims that the saudi arabia and saudi arabia actually did it so you have the whole world putting pressure on. the businessman and donald trump essentially providing the cover and

this is what i think. has come out with this statement today that it was these eighteen people have been arrested and he sold his closest allies under the bus because he's gambling everything on donald trump remember the announcement this statement comes on the same day that the foreign minister of turkey said that the world would hear these or your recordings and within one hour of a phone call between king's a man and present ever get that phone call one of two things would happen the one king said i would have talked and again please lay off my son have a bit and stop releasing these recordings or two we're about to release the statement please make it in line with your investigation but i think that the way that one of the cement has sold his closest allies are all the money who in two thousand and seventeen bragged that i never do anything without the permission of my leader who is the crown prince and general as it is considered one of the most competent people in saudi arabia shows that we have a businessman now is in a do or die approach or nice chips now he's put them on the table why because he's

gambling with one thing that don't trouble by his narrative and back him and support him and he's changed the dynamics now as much as we meant seeing the poor nature of the statement and the holes that are in it the pressure now is on turkey turkey have to disprove the statement turkey has to either release these recordings and risk a diplomatic crisis by admitting that it spied on embassies or it has to release the evidence from its investigation which it seems so far they haven't found anything different definitive if they did they would release that by now the fact that they releasing oh it's been painted over and the like this shows that the ordinary investigation maybe they haven't found enough to the to the to incriminate saudi arabia and i think turkey may find itself now a situation maybe that they may have overplayed their hand they have not been released for economic isolation despite releasing the past or not have they got concessions from saudi arabia for the money bible. meaning that using those things don't count has been

a major player in this and he's thinking to do shows that he's on ritalin to he's on the side be a corner and he's going to have the information should have been sent to so i'm going to back him to ok sammy thank you very much we'll bring you back and just a moment right now and go to karen greenberg is director of the center on national security at fordham university school of law she joins us from westchester new york state i'm actually curious if you agree with what sammy was saying there karen that this is this is more than about me the relationship between the united states and saudi arabia this is very specifically about what seems to be a real between donald trump jerry cushion or. i certainly think you could argue that that this isn't really anymore about and i think that's what's getting so much opposition and discussion in congress right now is is this a personal relationship or is this this is extend to two countries relationships

and so it's a question of whether or not we actually know the answer to that i don't know but there are a number of experts who are weighing in as sure as your guested in that way i think that the deeper issue here is to speak to some of the commentary is you can't have it both ways is it that mohammed in some on is a strong autocratic leader who has complete control of his country which is what we have seen for the past however many months now in terms of his detaining people in terms of his finding people in terms of his taking a powerful associates sons the rest of his family sons detaining them treating them tremendously cruelly etc is he that or craddock person that we've gotten to know that autocratic leader or is he a person who didn't really have control and doesn't really know what happened then other people took things in a way that they wanted to make them at the end the school turned to yes' or not

consistent narrative and the second narrative that there might have been some kind of activity that went on that was a more well that was rather rather large low activity it just doesn't really hold any water and so it's very surprising that the president of the united states would be willing to be in the words of a commentator neutral which i agree he was but is it surprising that he's not coming down saying not just that it's. a bad situation as he said but what sent that what to on that it was a u.s. accident that it wasn't journalists that it was done in such a brazen way. i think there's. about the values that we share as an international community and. so i think there is there's a lot going on here that we're not getting to yet ok and can are actually going to

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consulate and istanbul. and five people have been fired including a top intelligence official and they will advise or eighteen others have been arrested in connection with the show. and the saudi king gives the crown prince mohammed bin salman the job of supervising the restructuring of the country's and teligent services. so after days of denials changing stories saudi arabia has for the first time confirmed the journalist he was killed in the saudi consulate and istanbul now this admission comes seventeen days after he was last seen going into that building riyadh is claiming there was a brawl inside and that he died during the fight five top saudi officials have been fired among

a senior intelligence officer and an advisor to the royal court and saudi arabia also says that eighteen people are under arrest as part of this investigation so we have correspondents in turkey and in the u.s. monitoring the latest developments in the story had to go heinous in washington d.c. cynical fellows in ankara first let's go to andrew symonds who is in front of the saudi consulate and andrew they denied denied and denied and now the admission that yes. he died in the side of the consulate it's quite a contrast from what they had been saying get us up to speed on this. i was going to call logically first of all it's how the phone call between the president of turkey to president. and king solomon the release on that suggested that they were discussing corporation about the two investigations into the death

then within a matter of minutes came the announcement on saudi t.v. that there were going to be the firing of of five key people in the royal household the two that stand out of these and that is the royal court advisor assad al kut sahni a very important advisor to mohammed bin solomon himself who has a close relationship gives a lot of advice and insists on many occasions that he would never speak on his own behalf he speaks on the crown prince's behalf all the time also the deputy intelligence chief. siri both of them sacked along with three others eighteen other people all eighteen in total unnamed people detained being investigated as we speak now move on from there they did it as you

say except that the show is dead they then also announced through this is all king solomon solomon son off of all of this a root and branch reform of the entire general intelligence agency and of course the announcement there that the crown prince was going to be in charge of this along with all government ministers again points to the fact that cry out the crown prince appears to be being absolved of all responsibility now we have a reuters news wire out of washington d.c. quoting an unnamed saudi official close to the investigation saying in no way was the crown prince. also be involved in the operation and there was no way possible that this was a kidnapping operation or indeed an operation intended to assassinate assassinates a dissenter however dissenters should be returned to saudi arabia now

this does not fit to would seem and is none of this fits really in terms of this of the people involved in that the sort of story lines going with the turkish investigation all we know about that right now because the audiotape which recorded events within the consulate behind me suggests that without undoubtedly apparently we've yet to hear it ourselves of that the americans haven't heard it no other countries heard it because it's insists that the reproduction of that evidence can't be done until the inquiry is complete but that this this just shows a sequence of events where these fifteen member of his team arrived head of jamal khashoggi. arriving here to shop gee his fiance was some distance away waiting for him once he was in the building that's a return with papers allowing them to get married and of course he never got out

and the crown prince of the crown prince actually said that he was never in the building and now you know we have seventeen days on the admission that he is dead but inside that building the order recording you hear apparently the the whole sequence of events unfold within minutes a number of men attacked we're told on these tapes attacked him and then they cut some of his fingers off that was one suggestion that he was beheaded and his body parts he would cut they were cut with a bone saw his body parts were put into bags there's some reference that. in this reuters reports we've just heard that his body has been handed to someone who was cooperating that will be of great interest to the investigators because they seem to be still looking for the body parts it is an extraordinary situation

so andrew that the story that the saudi arabia is saying. seems very difficult to believe right bat that sixty one year old jamal khashoggi got into a confrontation with his many as fifteen other people and that this was all this happened and it wasn't anything that the crown prince actually put into motion it seems difficult to believe having said that has there been any proof or any evidence that mohamed bin solman actually was involved. well you've just asked the key question and i'm sure the strategists in riyadh will be looking at this very closely and maybe who knows what went on in that phone call with the king between the king and the president of turkey but this is is the rest gun that points in the direction of i haven't been m.b.'s i mean i looking at the list we have here of bullet points on the investigation there is

nowhere in there anything other than the fact that four key people four of particularly keep people in that fifteen member squad that was sent here or that was ordered perhaps by i'm sure the saudis would suggest that the the people who ordered this were with the deputy intelligence officer riri it would seem but nowhere is there a suggestion that there is a smoking gun that points to the crown prince however any observer diplomatic political military or otherwise i would find it hard to believe that these key figures were indeed trying to mount a rogue operation then then why when it was quite often obvious that mohammed bin solomon did not want any dissent is gaining favor elsewhere really with any dissent mounting the bounds of a colossal operation to snuff out a resistance to his reforms and resistance to his rule so it would seem

rather surprising. ok andrew salmon is live for us in istanbul andrew thank you let's go to ankara now hours in casella has been standing by live so sit in have been getting any reaction from people who knew jamal. world richelle of course the first person that with the decor was his fiance but of course during these kinds of times she usually doesn't pick up the phone but. i had the chance to talk with mr two uncles structure he is a very close friend of tomato soup he and also he's the head of the president of turkish media platform and just a quick reminder whinge about his ship too went inside to general consulate in istanbul he warned his fiance if you don't hear from me for

a long time please call to rant and let him thirty so i spoke to toronto structure just half an hour ago he was very upset actually but also at first he said this is an important this is something important that they admitted but of course now they are preparing for a funeral for their fellow journalist friend jamal khashoggi he told me that within one or two days there will be a finn are held in a stumble and there are lots of journalists coming from all around the world who would like to say goodbye to jamal khashoggi also his family is going to be their only other hand they are also planning accommodation in the united states again in the manner in the memory of. i asked to run because that to what you think about this confession by disallowed the authorities of course

a he doubts that. this can give the crown prince mohammed bin man a getaway because he ses all these people who have been dismissed in the early hours of today by the crown prince and king cellmark are the very inner circle of mohamed bin salman and one of them and it's a long. who has one aide. been sandman. just tweeted a couple of months ago that he's just an employee just an officer in the bureau just doing what mohammed orders so it's impossible to believe that those people those gentlemen did this murder or this operation independently from mohamed bin sandman also as al jazeera we reported two days ago that mr marotta was named as the as the leader of this squad

who came to assassinate. and mr marotta had nineteen fall calls with saudi arabia during the during the couple of hours that he landed in istanbul and he left after leaving the consulate and the turkish sources told us that four of these phone calls were done to private secretary mohammad. so there is no doubt that these gentlemen have direct links with the mohamed if mohammed bin some on is not a voyeur of any of this incident or preplanned murder the wife come soon right to which the ball is moving more times in just a couple of hours so these are the questions to be answered now richelle many many questions still remains and casella thank you so much. and just a bit ago we heard from president donald trump pedicle hane joins me live from washington with more on that he said a while.