old and they overstepped their bounds and ends up dead in the body apparently is disposed of by a local cooperator i think is the term they've used now even looking at that this seems this is all coming from a saudi an unnamed saudi source leaking this information to reuters news agency it looks like leak against leak going on does that the turks have got a different narrative going on through leaks from their sources and their investigative team and now we're getting the same sort of pattern with with saudi officials this still a huge gulf in the now the two narratives right i mean and a lot of questions if what the turkish investigative team is finding is is about to be announced and is accurate why would it take fifteen men to convince one person to return saudi arabia why would they bring a bones or if that's indeed true to a conversation why would they bring an autopsy expert will any of this clear up and present a credible version of events to the world. oh clearly for those of us who've been

following the events over the last couple of weeks would be very very difficult so this is not going to help the saudis the slate is now i don't think so i think the the objective seems to be wanting to come up with the most. plausible narrative which would win win on a number of fronts one is that they want to and they have now admitted that a tree has been killed regardless of how he died it doesn't really matter what matters the demand went in he was killed they did not admit for him. being killed at the beginning and now we have a different story there also would like to find a way in the united states a suspect would like to find a way in which there is a guilty party one or two people are being held accountable but it does not reach the level where they have to impose sanctions on on saudi arabia the saudi authorities do have a policy of trying to kidnap or take distance back to saudi arabia right but from

what we've known so far this looks very different right than that sort of standard i don't know the saudi arabia have a policy or so that are in the members of the old family that has remained in the west and then reappeared in this truly has been some some cases but in general globally since nine eleven it has become more tolerated really rendition kidnapping it's all in the name of countering terrorism and and the policies that have unfolded but this and i've been a little the saudi royal family who've ended up back in saudi arabia were not accused of terrorism they were critical of some of the policies of their own government you're right this is a bit different i mean not that the rendition policy was any better it's true but then the question is why did they not organize for his rendition from the beginning why would you take him into a consulate in the have you never talked to him i think there's something there that we don't quite know as to what is the real value of the to the saudis he's not

a class a enemy. state he wasn't a real dissident that they should really silence in any way everything he's thought he has written about and it's out there and none of it is really that her mental to the relationship was so do able even with united states it was all about issues of governance fine tuning arrangements with the arrangement so power is restaurant and so there is something mitt missing in the story and i think a lot has to we have to wait really for those tapes to come out if the turks really have tapes then they have no option but to release them and of course that could raise other crisis between them and saudi altos or they won't accept the cover up what is it in your understanding that the turks want to see saudi arabia to do in order for this not to be a cover up i suspect turkey's real interest is in trying to find a way with the united states the to reverse the sanctions and they may be looking

at this as a as a very important crisis base not the ultimate crisis for them with the you know it is really sad that culturally has been killed i feel very much for his family and friends but i think it has now moved into becoming part of a bigger deal that would allow turkey the united states and saudi to get their way with that deal involve some kind of some kind of consequences for the crown prince himself from what we've seen so far it doesn't look like it i think there's a that determination to keep him above the issue the fact that he's been appointed to reform the intelligence service is a clear indication that he still is all we've had donald trump's tone kind of change what's that indicative of what's caused that in the last twenty four hours. i mean as you know it's very difficult to judge the tone of for donald trump just so frequently but clearly i think he was hoping that the first release of

admitting guilt would help him. when it was announced or during his meeting with the manufacturers now a day later maybe something else has come up as far as your school is concerned but in general it is known that the americans have been informed about the intelligence by the turks from the very beginning so what ever knows he is knew from from day one all right thanks so much salt on both accounts for coming in and however check is next and then. the long journey north thousands of refugees and migrants encounter obstacle after obstacle that make their way towards the u.s. . well we have got some dry weather in the full cost of spying on places i at long

last though the area of low pressure swirling away here just on the other side of the straits is approach of cloud still in place but the cloud will gradually thin and break and recede away still it's also want to shout into the fosse out of the country northern parts of morocco could also see some wet weather of course but bright skies at last there for sunday the heaviest shower as well they're going to be affecting central parts of the med so southern parts of italy sicily seeing some of the live by the time he comes to monday those showers really peping up nudging a little further east what's heading towards grace towards southern parts of the balkans notice further north cooling off in berlin only eleven degrees celsius that northerly wind tucking in behind i do not generally fine and dry behind that generally fine interop thirteen fourteen fifteen saudis for london and paris not great but too bad either well as you drive across northern parts of africa as you go through the next couple days that a bit of clout there just pushing up towards southern areas of edging up towards

the western side of libya north of that it's generally fine and sunny still a chance of want to see showers then into northern iraq and as i said by the time we come to monday should be largely dry but rather more cloud pushing in from the south.

you're watching i'll just zero time to recap the headlines this hour now a saudi official has reportedly provided more details about how they say saudi journalist amounts to show g. was killed a senior official quoted by reuters news agency says j. died after being put in a choke hold when he resisted requests to return to the kingdom. u.s. frezza trampas told the washington post there's been deception on this been lies regarding the killing of cultural g. and saudis istanbul consulates on top of the second. france germany the european union and the un are calling for a credible transparent and in-depth investigation into what took g.'s death germany's foreign minister added this should be to riyadh until there's been a complete inquiry. now as more details reportedly emerge from the saudis

about what they say happened to his eulogy under schapelle looks back how much of their version of events has changed the day after this footage emerged of jamal going into saudi arabia's consulate in istanbul saudi officials confirmed his disappearance but insisted he left the building that was nearly three weeks ago the first of several times the official line would change two days later crown prince mohammed bin solomon told these reporters from bloomberg news the same thing saying the kingdom had nothing to hide the when asked if she was still inside the consulate the crown prince said he's not inside. the next day his consul general mohammed all of tavi even brought reporters into the building telling them jamal is not at the consulates he also said the buildings cameras did not record any footage from the day she disappeared. for the next two weeks saudi media outlets denounced

what they called baseless allegations that she was killed inside the consulate accusing the world's media of spreading fake news to spark panic and blame saudi authorities saudi owned a lot of be a t.v. network describe the fifteen men identified by turkish officials as members of a hit squad as tourists falsely accused of murder but with gruesome details of his death constantly leaking to the press and growing pressure from washington and other capitals the saudis had to come up with an explanation the problem was had they come clean early on saying yes he was killed even in an interglacial going role i think the momentum of this that was building over now almost more than two weeks basically created something that is bigger than it actually was early on had they responded early on i think they could have had this moment this momentum go away but they haven't and the more they said the more they spread lies and

conspiracy theories the more this was actually growing into becoming what it is now an uncontrollable avalanche of allegations of amnesty international says saudi arabia statement that died during a brawl are not trustworthy and mark an abysmal new low in its human rights record the rights group is calling for an independent investigation into schapelle al-jazeera. voters in parts of afghanistan have given an extra day to cast their ballots off the technical and security problems on saturday at least forty five centers in the council kabul are being reopened the city was hardest hit by a series of taliban the taxes voting began twenty four hours ago at least seventeen civilians and eleven members of security forces were killed more than seventy others were wounded the vote counting is underway elsewhere speak to chavez shoes

live for us in kabul so logistics and turnout but of an issue on day one how authorities say they're going to fix it now. well they have reopened like you say these polls who got four hundred polling seem to be about five thousand that were orphaned. yesterday they reopened because of a myriad of issues everything from stuff just not turning up to mess of delays by mitch machines not working though she lists being sent to the world provinces people turning up in their names not being there so they've reopened a lot of them as of seven o'clock this morning about five hours ago to try to get all those people in to vote and bring up the turnout so are nine million people registered to vote they say last night that three million people did vote yesterday and they're hoping that by opening this today that we have to get up to about four million keeping in mind that two other provinces are also delayed and. the proof is in the could have been so how does it look like in terms of turnout is there much of an appetite to come out and vote after all the problems of day one. well i think

if you take into consideration the security issues so this time yesterday we had dozens of attacks ministry of interior saying one hundred ninety two attacks from the taliban today all across the country so taking that into consideration we actually did have quite a good turnout and the feeling on the streets if you will people who people loved it they were happy to line up i mean they didn't want to line up for hours but they did it and they they were proud to do it and there was photos across social media with people with the purple ink on their finger putting it up to the camera and saying i was here a lot of people really buying in to the rules around the election so trying to keep other people on this i had stories last night of people going on to facebook and ousting the election commission if they saw something wrong and and we've had thousands of complaints since the election commission every time somebody in any

town across afghanistan came across issues a lot of them were feeding it back into the election commission to try to keep this process honest and credible if you want you can think of this like an appetizer the parliamentary elections this weekend at the times of the main course which would be the presidential elections in april so this is a chance the election commission and the population to really understand how this process works and improve on it. kabul thanks for that. israel's prime minister says a bedouin village in the occupied west bank will be demolished i mean netanyahu says there's no intention of postponing an evacuation of. had been reports in israeli media that the planned demolition of the village would be suspended indefinitely but more than two weeks since israel's deadline for the one hundred eighty bedouin residents to leave their homes is passed israel wants the land to build illegal settlements. twenty two miners are trapped in

a coal mine in china rock broke apart during an excavation in eastern province blocking an access tunnel more than three hundred people working in the mine when it happened. u.s. president dog trump a zoo cuse russia of reaching an agreement designed to stop the two countries returning to a cold war style arms race the intermediate range nuclear forces treaty was signed by ronald reagan and mikhail gorbachev in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven both countries agreed not to amass more than a certain number of nuclear weapons now trump says is scrapping the deal. we're not going to let them violate a nuclear agreement and go out into weapons and we're not allowed to we're the ones that have stayed in the agreement and we bonded to agreement but russia is not one word surely under the agreement so we're going to terminate the agreement we're going to pull out thousands of refugees and migrants making their way north from

central america to the us mexico border in maine determined to continue their journey despite some setbacks they're fleeing honduras which has seen a spate of violence the part of a so-called caravan of people in walking north towards the united states john holman has more from mexico southern border. is a ways away through migrants heading to the united states of fond of say and so it proved this time around by river thousands of people in a controversial caravan from honduras made it into mexico right under the gaze of police who blocked off the bridge we crossed mala they crowded on to small rafts which usually ferry locals and goods across the river they say like many others comes dreaming of a new start for herself and her four month old daughter again game of the yellow stone. i hope to get to the u.s. and that trumps conscience's touched not for us but for the children who go hungry

. the president trump is instead demanding that the caravan be stopped before it gets to the u.s. heaping pressure on the mexican government off the ceiling of the border bridge authorities said they reviewed migrants cases one by one to check if they qualified for asylum here it's excruciating lee slow but some waited amid a certain amount of chaos here it does seem that people are around for the long haul there's trucks handing out food and water and on the other side you can see people have hung up a tarp pulled in to try and protect themselves from the sun and there's even clothes hung up against the railing of the bridge to dry. was this some the frustration was just too great i was and they too to the quick a route into mexico once i'm sure they headed to join more than three thousand others in the poser of the nearest town see that girls are a con ho and her son says it spent the night there like most in the caravan they

brought six days from honduras fleeing poverty imo it. is a lot of hunger you can't find work and when we do you just and five dollars and with that you can't buy anything you get tired of it. as a number of arrivals in the square group town authorities offered food and shelter in the community center migration officials began processing asylum requests it's just stopped going to the probably won't be clear for some time who will stay who will continue and who will be forced to take the long trip home john home and how does he see that. and let's take you through some of the headlines here and i'll just now a saudi official has reportedly provided more details now about how saudi journalist jamal khashoggi was killed

a senior official quoted by reuters news agency says his shoji died after being put in a choke hold when he resisted requests to return to the kingdom. died in saudi's istanbul consulate on october the second three even before reports of the new details the us president of front cast doubt on saudi arabia's changing stories about what happened to her job speaking to the washington post he said obviously there's been deception and lies. france germany and the european union as well as the un are all calling for a credible transparent and in-depth investigation into her show g.'s death germany's foreign minister added there shouldn't be arms sales to riyadh and told there's been a complete inquiry germany says the saudi explanation is in adequate chancellor angela merkel is demanding more information on why it's all this don't lie david. let's look at the world and think about why we took to the streets in one thousand

nine hundred nine we took to the streets because we wanted freedom of opinion freedom of press freedom of religion that lost those freedoms cannot be taken for granted all over the world take a look around you talking about saudi arabia those terrible events which still haven't been cleared up yet and where we of course demand an explanation hold so making news voters in parts of afghanistan have been given an extra day to cast their ballots after technical and security problems on saturday at least forty five centers in the capital kabul are being reopened city was hardest hit by a series of taliban attacks as voting began twenty four hours ago at least seventeen civilians and eleven members of security forces were killed more than seventy others were wounded for counting is underway elsewhere israel's prime minister says a palestinian village in the occupied west bank will be demolished benyamin netanyahu says he has no intention of perspire owning an evacuation of

a mall or back to the top of the hour stay with us now it's inside story. it's inscribed in the wild west previously where the average path couldn't touch in cali if they had been born so don't fight for it from why does this updated nafta have the kind of support that he needs we bring you the stories that are shaping the economic world we live in counting the cost on al-jazeera. saudi arabia now admits jamal khashoggi is dead after weeks of denying it brit says the saudi journalist died in a fistfight inside its istanbul consulate but as global outrage melts does this account even seem credible this is inside story.

hello and welcome to the program on iran come on saudi arabia has admitted for the first time that jamal khashoggi was killed inside its consulate in istanbul the announcement was made on saudi state t.v. in the middle of the night seventeen days after the journalist was last seen going into the compound the kingdom says there was a brawl and died turkish security sources have a different story they say khashoggi was tortured murdered and his body cut up into pieces we'll talk to our panel shortly but first this report from andrew symonds. images played out relentlessly worldwide as saudi arabia denied jamal khashoggi had been killed but this was the last anyone would see of him alive and it was the beginning of a crisis that shaken the saudi royal household to its foundations to the despair of sixty year old fiance had t.j. . who had waited in vain for him to leave the consulate the saudis initially said

he wasn't in the building now they finally admitted that six year old is dead and this statement has been issued from the public prosecutor at the a while again at the as an attorney about i'ma the first investigation into the disappearance of saudi citizen jamal khashoggi and shows that there was an argument and quarrel between him and the people he met at the saudi consulate in istanbul the call led to his death but the announcement from saudi arabia cuts against what turkish investigators say happened inside this building it all boils down to an eleven minute ot a recording of events in which they say within minutes. was attacked and he died in a most gruesome way his body being cut up and handed part by part to other saudi officials inside the building your man wants and i entered the building. for a few minutes with the consul general to discuss his papers that he needed and he

was immediately attacked by a gang of killers that were signed specifically to stumble to actually liquidate him it wasn't an accident of their death it wasn't a fist fight to the point where the consul general on paper is allegedly screaming please do not do it here you are getting me in trouble the saudis statement announced the detention of suspects those arrested and named but may well include what the turks say was a fifty. one member it team at least four of them officials close to the royal household including this man mohamad tree by an intelligence official who the turks a lead the operation on the ground tracked by c.c.t.v. cameras entering the consulate ahead of death and later leaving the country and at least five high ranking officials have been sacked

a trusted advisor to mohammed bin salman is among them so do al kut sanny also ackman alice siri deputy chief of intelligence and former spokesman for the saudi u.a.e. led coalition in the war in yemen the crown prince will now head a restructuring of the general intelligence agency the announcements appear to signal the mohammed bin selman is being absolved of blame for jamal khashoggi death as the turkish inquiry continues the actions of saudi arabia leave more questions than answers among them where the remains of general. and more than anything else was this really is saudi arabia portrays some sort of accident or a rogue operation from within its own well household andrew simmons al-jazeera istanbul audio excerpts have been released of jamal khashoggi last interview he was talking to a newsweek reporter and the discussion was originally going to remain confidential

as khashoggi said he feared for his life ahead he's asked about crown prince mohammed bin sultan. do you want to be any form of. evidence to the public opinion why not. transparent process where where you have been easy. to use the rule of law. and then defending the people would be on his side if he would do that it could even fight him in the old fashion and i believe a leader like my helmet this kind of life doesn't mean that but a good for because it was limits does. it does matter to you but over two hundred i didn't want that they didn't see the need for that so sometime i see that they want to. go to post all over the t.l. cynical but. that is the thing but i do want also to more like how can the

rules. yeah. that doesn't work you can have a good wing. and also have it both ways can you have it both ways can you call us can you. not i don't think you can. but don't go to support that is nope because most budgets soviet. russia number one and the will to live and do you see anybody that let a couple is a chip based on those who call them or. my current girlfriend or. i'm sure the radicals are not going to block your pressure couple have. a look at a true cricket have authority any of you. let's bring in our guests in washington d.c.

john jones a former us senior congressional advisor from london via skype saad a saudi dissident who heads up the opposition group movement for islam ic reform in arabia and also via skype from hamilton new york amanda rogers professor of middle east and islamic studies at colgate university welcome to you all i'd like to start with you dr sagal faqih is anybody buying the story that jamal khashoggi was killed in a brawl in the saudi consulate in istanbul not only nobody's bank people are looking at it was sarcasm. it is an expression of the idiocy of the people who created it and they see it as a bunch of lies which is creating more questions than answers and which is opening the gate for everybody or want to consider why would the segment. responsible for this action there is somebody there is buying it let's bring in

john jones here present donald trump has said he thinks this is credible why do you think he's going along with it anger merkel the german chancellor for example rejected the saudi version of events but yet donald trump the u.s. president says it's credible. well number one you probably haven't seen more skeptical reports in response in regard to a death since the assassination of john f. kennedy and the warren commission report that was later released number two even if donald trump believes this account it doesn't really impact what congress is going to do because you've had bipartisan members of the united states congress and the senate criticize this response and reject it so it remains to see going forward what the penalties in saying she is we're actually be but first and foremost i think the saudi government is trying to it boyd punishment of the under

the global magnitsky act which would punish them from being able to travel to different countries it'll also freeze their assets so they're trying to avoid punishment now if withstanding providing them presenting an argument that has been condemned in criticize across the board that's pretty limited erogenous hey amanda you've studied political regimes in islamic history for a long time now historically speaking with or staring regimes have often put out a message that they think is believable simply because they control the narrative back home but this is an international story they haven't been able to control the narrative why a behave like that why put out a story like this that many across the world simply say simply say isn't believable well i think i would back up actually and circle around to the issue first of whether or not trump actually find the line credible i don't think that it's

necessarily useful to speculate on whether or not trump finds this credible because the overarching sort of umbrella on the geo political stage is economic ties and geo political ties between saudi arabia and the united states what i mean by that is we see a story coming out of saudi arabia that has changed numerous times and one that other guests have pointed out is. pretty absurd and unbelievable on its face now as to whether or not the intention of that cover story is to be persuasive or merely serve as a sort of band-aid thin veneer of an explanation that can serve as. i guess you could say a cover to smooth over the ends the dental the new cycle moves on so that business as usual among the diplomats can continue as as normal is another issue entirely i say this because in reference to other incidents of say political reform or is

danceable political reform across the world and particularly the middle east one common phenomenon in the past several years has been a generational divide with new leaders and i'm speaking here specifically of m.b.a.'s and saudi arabia we can also look at say the in libya to an extent bashar al assad in syria in which case we have a younger generation of rulers being touted as reformists now as to whether or not the reforms themselves are particularly i hesitate to use the word liberalizing but i suppose that it's the most convenient essential leave the same policies as their predecessors albeit couched in a language and a particular political discourse that is much more amenable to the western powers so essentially the same sort of politics can continue at home with the window dressing and sort of performative linguistic gymnastics if you will that can

allow the big movers and shakers in the diplomatic communities to accept what is going on under the surface at home because it sounds like what we want to hear this print go to sort of a hug and a hearing that it's the same message just a different day. the saudi crown prince is in charge of the intelligence over the whole that's going on in saudi arabia do you think everything that the saudis have done so far is to protect the crown prince himself. you mean do you think what he did side is do not do anything he does and he decides are you in the kink decides he decides and the way he designed this was to protect himself definitely so and for the last people who believe in us and in a psychopathic way they don't care who is going to to suffer as long as he is going

to be absolved let ten or twenty or thirty people go to jail or be killed or anything as long as he is saying it's out free but to add to the point which which is mentioned by other guests now why would. accept the story it's not because it is acceptable to him it's because he is he contributed to creating the story it is in is personal interest to create this story and we sent bomb b.-o. to. benson man he did not send them to him to tell the truth it wasn't since sending him to arrange with him to to formulate to create the story and order to sell it to the world of versus all against all the will of the world and the congress and and american media. isn't to say joins in d.c. the world simply isn't buying the story though has this backfired on the white

house. the world isn't buying this story more importantly there seems seem to be very doubtful that the domestic population in saudi arabia happens to be buying this story or not and i think that is also the concern of m.b.'s in the saudi government in regards to what the white house finds acceptable or not acceptable we've already stated what they say is one thing but what the united states congress says and does means a lot as well but set aside the concerns from saudi arabia or the united states government what you're going to need is an international investigation that will speak to what actually took place what are the facts on the ground who is responsible who should be punished where is the body these are all important questions that need to be answered and we won't get to the bottom of it unless you have an international investigation that is transparent credible and can get to the

facts don't sort of hockey you head in needs an international transparent investigation you long familiar with the saudi government say you're in been in exile for a very long time now because of your comments towards the saudi government do you think they'll ever allow and the international investigation. to lessen a potential take long time or twitter to its needs and to national organizations to decide its i think the matter is much shorter than this turkey has got a lot of from asian you're going to leave. much of this information. part of the submission is intelligence which might not be usable in standard courts or to skin the useful and i'm sure that much of this information has been relayed to the europeans and americans and that's why members of the congress are very confident there's a token with full thrust that their criminal is one hundred percent and they they are not going to do is who the neighbor with in his it does so there is enough

information with the turks about what happened and all what the americans or europeans need is to twist their arm of amazon man and to give them to give the. information which needs to complete the picture to the turks the turks for example they know how many calls are be made to mohammed the cement office personally they know the content of the messages which were sent to their tool to him they know he was he was personally. watching what is happening and following it live. and they can't i don't i'm not sure of the they will publish this or not but this has been leaked to quite reliable sources so if and also they have been able to collect for is a confirmation which will which has created a big church which fit which fits with their intelligence information so i don't think it is going to be. going to need the long way the long road to international

. distribution all of that needs it's for the turks to complete what they are doing and for a little bush for the saudis to answer the questions from the turks maharajah's let me bring you in here you've heard it there. doesn't need to be a long road to towards the investigation investigation could happen quite quickly however deals are always done between governments to try and bring situations under control there is potentially a deal that could be done between the saudis the americans and the turks given the geo political problems that there are all within the region the turks clearly want the americans to back out of bundy's in syria so they can go into syria and take over that part of the country the americans clearly want access to weapons is if a deal is made between those three countries what does that mean for the

credibility of the u.s. administration is it simply going completely when it comes international offense. you know i hesitate to answer this in a way that. in any form frankly speaking optimistic one of the issues at stake here in terms of american credibility is the united states is clear i was the alliance with saudi arabia dates back to the one nine hundred forty s. at a time in which. the u.s. explicitly recognized that american defense and saudi defense are seen as very very much neutrally are inseparable if you will so the issue is u.s. policymakers have for quite quite a while overlooked what they would consider to be human rights abuses and at a pariah the a levels. i do think that there is a chance. to at least ameliorate the situation somewhat in the sense of

having massive momentum from congress and so on and so forth that separates from the president well what i mean by that is we no longer have a situation that is just as clear cut as the longstanding american ties to saudi arabia as an important american ally we also have a situation in which the president and his family have substantial economic ties in the home and been sad men and this audi regime as it stands now so one of the breaks i think that we're starting to see between the administration sort of itself in terms of the heads and the congress and public leaders outside of the presidency is we might have an opening through which we are finally able to reassess what that longstanding relationship with saudi arabia actually means in practice. but

more generally speaking i think it's quite difficult to address the issue of restoring american sort of credibility in the world at the moment making it into that one realizing how to talk let me bring in the. what else you know question there is the saudis themselves of arrested eighteen people one of them including. tani who is seen as being the steve bannon of the crown prince of a very important player getting the prince's message across they would say the saudi regime would say that this is us house cleaning that we all getting to the bottom of this all those arrests is that the arrest of somebody like subtle qahtani enough for you. well it says certain things you believe for us to see somebody like this who was in his muscles on the opposition and on the on on the

people inside the country and using the cyberspace and using his army. of intelligence working on twitter to to to mobilize them against us it's. to it brings jubilation for us to see him being humiliated by his on last who is using him for or for the sake of fighting us but it has nothing to do with our view regarding this incident the only way to deal with the incident is to remove not only one hundred missile month but the whole establishment which has created the circumstances which resulted in this action and by the way general hundred yards died in the consulate and that's why the world has become aware of his death and this. harsh gruesome manner. in the same time there are thousands of people being been tortured and die under torture in the saudi princes

. but the senior very important members of the community being humiliated and sank from their jobs and that is to. their money their their their accounts frozen turns their brains let me bring you in the you've heard what the not even a saying in your head what dr saad has been saying that there is a whole lot more people that we haven't heard of because they're simply in jails in saudi arabia let's take a look at the evidence that's been mounting the turkish authorities say they're going to release a report which will bring together allegedly all of the leaks so far in a more formal document since that reporters leaked the saudi version of events effectively goes out the window doesn't it the turks are providing their evidence and their information which is certainly substantial other side. these are put in a place where they certainly have to respond to this and it seems that with every response and statement that they put forth they seem to go into

a deeper and deeper ditch what has happened already which i'm sure was not the saudis goal is that a a dissident a prominent dissident has risen to the status of a martyr a martyr for the fight for the freedom of the press and not withstanding what has happened i think it's easy to lose sight that what has taken place is a tragic was a tragic killing a murder and at the end of the day unless again we have an international investigation that certainly takes in to account what the turkish government has put forth we're not going to get to a place where we have all the facts on the table so we can actually determine who will be punished and who will be held to account for what took place here i think we do have to be careful describing the journalist jamal khashoggi as a dissidents because he was very careful describe himself as just being a journalist who wanted to analyze and to be free to speak and under or just just

very quickly. what goes on next within the region if there is this deal being made if nobody's buying this story where do you think this goes next. well that's a really broad question to briefly briefly answer but i will say what i have heard from several dissidents from other areas in the region there is considerable feared that if the international community by is this been cover story that the lives of several other prominent prominent critics and journalists and dissidents across the middle east are very much under threat i also want to add one thing that i think is not being given adequate attention across the media just because of how prominent. was and this it's a good lie to you i haven't been selling men's. branding as a reformer even as the right for women to drive and send him as are being open and

so on and so forth the pioneers of the women to drive movement have been thrown in prison and in many cases threatened with say the death penalty so i think that not just the case of jamal which is as disgusting and tragic as it is this should be used as an end to look at the other abuses of the unnamed and less famous and less prominent because of u.s. resident status thanks to all our guests john jones a subtle sluggy and a mandate raja's and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by visiting a website al-jazeera don't come and for the discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook adults come forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle is at a.j. inside story for me in my own column and the whole team hey guys i know.

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this is al jazeera live from. afghanistan's elections go into a second day after violence and technical glitches. and israel confirms it will go ahead with the demolition of a palestinian village in the occupied west bank. new details have emerged about how saudi arabia says the journalist was killed inside it's a stumble consulate an unnamed senior official talking to reuters news agency says it was inadvertently killed in a choke hold now after resisting requests to go back to the kingdom let's go live to a stumble outside the concert we have andrew symonds so andrew another day another narrative of what happened to her. does it address the unanswered questions.

well it goes some way to furthering and fitting mostly with the account of events given by saudi arabia into the killing of kushner agree and also says this it suggests that there was a sit down confrontation between khashoggi and a man called metry but now he figured very very prominently in the turkish investigation with c.c.t.v. footage from here in the consulate with him entering ahead of the shoji and also around the city the movenpick hotel and indeed the airport as well when he left carrying a large suitcase the position is this that according to the reuters report

told metry but this is quoting internal intelligence documents what are you going to do with me he said to show ji do you intend to kidnap me metry but replied yes we will drug you and kidnap you. raised his voice according to this transcript the team panicked they moved to restrain him placing him in a chokehold which killed him now no mention there of a brawl no mention of khashoggi fighting which was the original account maybe that's just removed or hasn't been mentioned but i doubt that then there is a sequence of events in this interview where the royces reporter asked this official an unnamed official from saadi who is supposed to be close to the investigation he asked him why has the story from saudi arabia changed so much how do you explain that now the response from the official was false information was

reported internally at the time whatever that might mean now where seeing here another. version of events but that fits the jigsaw which many thought many people find implausible but basically it's saying that that the crown prince. bin salma is not responsible directly or in directly or any way with what happened here even though that investigation is showing up what they described as a hit team of fifteen who allegedly were set on murdering the sixty year old washington post columnist so we're also hearing from this official that the body not body parts no no suggestion that he was he was actually dismembered as the turks have indicated it would seem from the leaked tape the eleven minute tape

but he says that the body was asked about the body and the official said i understand that the local cooperative was handed the body for disposal now is that the act of. noble act of will certainly not and that is the true will surface investigators are all this the really trying to find other remains of khashoggi right now to possibly complete their investigation that isn't clear because that investigation is going on at its own pace it's not being hurried it's going according to international law being observed every step of the way according to sources so what we have here is really another. as you say narration but furthermore the finger is pointing in a very big way at a siri who is the deputy head of intelligence in the form a spokesperson for the saudis for the war in yemen now he has definitely been used as the fall guy rightly

or wrongly and been told that we've been told that he is the man responsible for ordering this what could be call road operation from from within the royal household itself. right and since there are dating us on the perspective from istanbul of this early the us president donald trump cast doubt on the saudis explanations which have changed several times since his juju went missing speaking to the washington post the us president said obviously there's been deception and lies i think are reports now from washington d.c. . since the story first broke that jamal khashoggi had disappeared u.s. president had been fairly consistent sending the message that he didn't want to punish saudi arabia severely if it in fact turned out that they were involved but we are seeing the first signs that that might be changing in a late night interview with the washington post president donald trump said about

this quote obviously there's been deceptions and there's been law as he was asked if it's possible that the saudi crown prince mohammed bin solomon could be involved and to that he said nobody has told me he's responsible nobody has told me he's not responsible we haven't reached that point i haven't heard either way now this comes after days of relentless pounding from critics and people within his own party that are demanding that president trump do more. trying to campaign on the west coast u.s. president donald trump couldn't get away from the questions about jamal khashoggi is murder it was pretty much all reporters asked about as for the saudi explanation the president had this response well i'm not satisfied until we find the answer but it was a big first step it was a good first step but i want to get to the answer he says that could come by tuesday but he again insisted that what is most important to him the money that saudi arabia spends in the u.s. the amounts of been changing over time one hundred ten billion four hundred fifty

billion gets four hundred fifty thousand jobs four hundred fifty billion dollars six hundred thousand jobs it's over a million jobs but experts say those numbers are simply not true not accurate not even close the administration of the white house is operating on this false narrative that saudi arabia that we are dependent saudi arabia that saudi arabia has arms purchases support american industry that they do that they we need them they don't need us that they could go someplace else that's not an accurate narrative and it isn't persuading saudis critics in congress. or in the press who are increasingly pointing the finger directly at the saudi crown prince mohammed bin saul mon the publisher of who should use former newspaper the washington post is accusing saudi arabia of trying to cover up his murder and the editorial board is urging people worldwide to shun saudi arabia intil the kingdom changes writing

the first step in that process is determining the full truth about the coup shoji murder and holding its likely author mohammed bin psalm on fully accountable for the vice president joe biden seemed to agree the rest of the world is watching the united states of america we have let the world and they're wondering where the hell are we what's become of us and now m.b.'s saudi arabia you lied no my lord he's making excuses by the way you know that all expression some people bring a gun to a knife fight well you don't bring long saws to flights the anger shows no signs of abating this is the straw that broke the camel's back as far as the united states is concerned that these other incidents i think he's gotten a pass on. he's not going to get a pass on this. it seems the biggest question in washington now how big of

a price could saudi have to pay one more indication of the president's thinking could be changing is we haven't seen jared kushner his senior advisor and son in law anywhere near him during these days where the story has dominated the headlines obviously has a close relationship with mohammed bin salma on according to aides in the washington post the president is quite annoyed with his son in laws says he feels blindsided by the whole thing. also tom baraka joins me here onset he's the director of the center for conflict and humanitarian studies at the doha institute thanks for coming in so we've got a new or least a more detailed saudi narrative of what happened to jamal khashoggi today will it make the saudi version of events that narrative more credible do you think so far i don't really think so the only way for them to. greater degree of credibility to the story is for someone to examine the body now if if you were to accept that he

was killed accidentally why would they attempt to dispose of his body in islam it's very very important that the family receive the body even if it's executed you know we we still insist on receiving the body of of the victim and having him go through a process of. of very proper prayer barrier now the fact that they've. disposed of it is a problem for them and they need to come out with the next episode of the explanation why did they feel the need to dispose of a body if he was genuinely killed accidently inside the council is that what happens next now is it determined by two factors at this point what the turks might release their investigation is still ongoing and how congress might react is that a fair summing up of the path forward i think so i think the reaction of trump so

far on the american congress the pressure they placed on the saudis have really led us to where we are at the moment the real breakthrough is going to happen when the turks the turkey decides to release the tape but i think there is a problem there because people will be asking where did you get the tape from the theory that was put out there that it was an apple watch recording and so on is not quite credible and the alternative would be then that the turks have actually tapped or infiltrated the consulate for some time now and that would create its own crisis which relationship between turkey and saudi arabia what do you think ultimately you know the turks have said they won't accept a cover up what you think they want the saudis to do for them to be satisfied with the saudi position.