was killed. once you got the stains you can try to get a spatial arrangement of everything because of course let's say a drop of blood can drop down as long as there is no impact but if you have an impact or somebody is moving is missing or cuffing or anything then of course the blood will distribute through the room and you can measure the angle off in fact off the blood the same you can do that with saliva of course but you can also do that with fabric and i said so at the end of the day it is quite likely that you get maybe not a millimeter like representation of everything that happens but quite a very good idea of where everybody was standing and who did what that is pretty normal in all cases especially if you have a closed room scenario like in this case because you know you can't walk through walls so that makes it easier so where does the responsibility lie while the crown prince mohammed bin sandman is not only heir to the throne he's also the minister

of economy minister of defense and the chairman of the council of political and security affairs and what's the general intelligence agency reports to with all his portfolios there is an undeniable responsibility on the crown prince and we mentioned earlier qahtani and cd they're very close aides to been cited by their own admission they don't act on their own they take their orders directly from the crown prince the u.k. germany and france meanwhile all demanding urgent clarification about what happened to me they released a joint statement condemning his killing and saying that nothing can justify it it's just the latest ramping up of pressure from world powers on riyadh speaking to the washington post the u.s. president strongly criticized the kingdom's explanations about what happened saying obviously there's been deception and lies but a senior senator in trump's republican party has gone further accusing the hum of been cited my son of directing the operation to kill. if you look at the rocky

mistake he made in carter where without even talking to us they put in place the blockade he also has made some mistakes and obviously abuse gone forth and murdered this journalist he's now crossed the line and there has to be a pint and a price paid for that in and again i'm not rushing to judgment do i think he did it yes i think he did it let's cross over to mike hanna he's joining us from washington d.c. in the saudi foreign minister speaking earlier on to fox news mike said that the u.s. saudi relations can weather this but with a growing cause from senators for accountability how much pressure is this putting on the president himself well it's immense pressure being placed on the president so that sound you just heard there was from bob corker now he's the chair of the senate foreign intelligence committee this is a very powerful man within the senate and it's not as though his opinion is his

alone throughout the past few days there has been a number of comments coming out of the senate coming out of the house of representatives deeply critical of saudi arabia and deeply critical of the saudi crown prince so there's a sharp division between what president trump has been saying and what congress wants president continues to insist in that washington post interview that he does not believe in sanctions that saudi arabia is a valued ally that the u.s. would suffer more damage than saudi arabia would should sentients be introduced well that's completely at odds with what we're hearing from congress where there's a very strong move to take punitive action against saudi arabia as soon as possible and how much are further trump's handling of this has become an election issue for him considering the midterm elections are just two weeks away. well it is very much

serve we've seen in the past twenty four hours former vice president joe biden speaking at an election rally making a point of president trump's position on the matter criticizing it very strongly so joe biden they're putting it very firmly in the election letters but this century the major problem facing president trump is that he would want to go into those midterm elections with a united republican party he does not want to be seen to be arguing with republican senators and republican members of the house of representatives when going into an election where he has been absolutely adamant that the party will be united throughout his nearly two years in office president trump has enjoyed the majority support of his republicans in the senate and in the house of representatives he's basically got what he wanted he's had the majority in both houses very easy relatively to govern however this is the first time that he's got the republican

fellow republicans coming out in open opposition to a position that he's adopted and on a massive scale to it's absolutely across the board congress completely united on this issue it is demanding action it will continue to do so posing a major problem for president trump if you retained his current stance mike hanna thank you still ahead on al-jazeera polls close after a second day of voting in afghanistan amid violence and technical glitches that story is coming up in a moment. hello again it's good have you back well here we are watching some clouds and some showers particularly out here towards the west and you can see those right there on the satellite image so within those clouds we do expect to see some spotty showers

or to aleppo a little cool a few at about twenty four degrees here on monday but then as we go towards tuesday we do start to see a little bit more rain particularly in the southeastern part of turkey maybe more towards donna you'll see those rain showers as well up towards ancora a clear day for you maybe about one thousand degrees in your forecast well over the last several days across the gulf we have seen many many showers some locations seeing some flooding here in doha it was a very bad day as we came out of saturday we do expect to see more showers as we go into monday afternoon as well but as we go towards tuesday things will be improving but take a look at saudi arabia clouds across much of that area medina mecca clouds for you as well in those clouds we could also be seeing some shower activity as well as a make away down here towards africa well we are seeing some better conditions from most areas a front has pushed through johannesburg so behind it has been a little bit cool a few with a temperature there of about twenty one degrees warmer down here towards cape town winds coming out of the north on monday but then as we go towards tuesday partly

cloudy a few with a temperature of twenty seven. arts .

hello again the top stories on al-jazeera the turkish president. will make clear what happened to saudi journalists. as he wants justice for who was killed at the saudi consulate in istanbul on october the second meanwhile saudi arabia's foreign minister has told us media that crown prince. was not aware of any plot to kill. he called the death a mistake and said that the kingdom has no idea. britain france on the u.k. have condemned these killing and say more must be done to establish the truth the german chancellor angela merkel said arms exports to saudi arabia cannot proceed quote under the current circumstances meanwhile a leading u.s. republican senator bob corker says he believes crown prince mohammed bin sandman is responsible for the death. a week before a runoff in

a presidential election in brazil people are protesting against the far right front runner. there have been regular demonstrations across the country against comments attacking women minorities and the gay community the former military captain is leading in the polls well ahead of his leftist rival for. supporters are now rallying in sao paolo that is where there is joining us from daniel. daniel to set the scene behind you tell us what's going on. one here in the center of power the road here is being closed in the main avenues these are the knob also not of supporters behind me you may be able to see some of them of adopted many of the symbols nationally symbols many of them flying brazilian flags many people wearing the brazilian national football and we just had

a rendition of the facility and. behind me so these are people that five or six months ago probably didn't think that counted that had a hope of even making the second round of elections which will be held that sunday he had less than twenty percent of the vote now and he got to fifty eight fifty nine percent in the first round his vote seems to be climbing despite those but a protest against his candidacy that you mention across brazil up to sixty percent baby more likely to vote for him in next sunday's elections to people who are very confident that. will be the next president taking office on the first of january and how would you describe the mood down as the country leads up to that presidential election runoff next week. well brazil is probably never been the. military dictatorship this country

from the mid sixty's to the to the sevens is a very polarizing. choice people ready. because politics is the former mayor of. the left wing. so there really is very little middle ground which is a depiction really of politics that the middle ground has kind of collapsed in a whole raft of corruption scandals the established political parties being very much discredited in the eyes of the people. crime wave across brazil to the people here supporting. because they believe his promise is to try to fight the high crime rate to fight corruption. seems to have very little substance behind those promises the people here believe that's going to happen simply because many of them have lost faith in the political establishment. here in some cases there has been a rise of violence most of dominantly from the. supposed which is attacking days

brazil. which is a. little bit both ways but really a great deal of tension. thank you. now polls have closed after a second day of voting in afghanistan it was extended at more than two hundred fifty polling stations because of technical and security issues at least forty five people were killed in attacks during the first day of voting with more than two hundred twenty others injured charlotte bellus reports from kabul. afghans queue outside this polling center in kabul patiently waiting for a chance to vote it's the second time they've tried. of the nearly five thousand polling same tis four hundred was slated to open a day late after a host of logistical issues because of security threats only two hundred fifty six actually opened it is a moment then being as he would see some agreement yesterday we came here to vote but there were a lot of irregularities and the biometric system was not working and there was lack

of employees at the polling center systems. as the voting system is very weak and slow the voting started from this morning but so far only ten people have voted. their resilience is counted in ballot papers and lives. the government deployed seventy thousand security forces to protect votes is this weekend the taliban said it would target the polls disparate to stop the democratic process the armed groups sees as an extension of american influence joy that i. honestly this is the time to be proud of our national army national police and our intelligence forces for ensuring security but still violence slipped through the cracks the ministry of interior tell it up nearly two hundred taliban attacks nationwide on saturday. the worst came in kabul just after sunset voting seemed to should have been closed at the time but were extended to cope with the long queues of people still waiting to

vote a suicide bomber tried to enter a polling station more than a dozen people were killed there was good i was there was a blast enough. down on the ground blood was everywhere and there were many casualties don't know what happened next so. afghans knew they were risking their lives to vote the taliban have reminded them many times and yet they tuned in the millions defiant. young of the nine million registered to vote one through ten thousand election day it's sunday will take up another million ballots with two provinces get to vote initial results will be revealed in three weeks these are the third parliamentary elections since the fall of the taliban in two thousand and one if this is the appetizer the main course is the presidential election in april despite logistical and security concerns forces themselves more engaged in a child the ballasts out his era. at least eighteen people have been killed in

a train derailment in northeastern taiwan local rail officials say five carriages overturned on the train which was traveling south from taipei at least one hundred sixty passengers have been injured the high speed train is only six years old and its most recent maintenance took place last year the former soviet leader mikhail gorbachev has criticised the us president on proposal to quit a nuclear arms treaty with russia he says doing so would undermine the work done to end the cold war era arms race the president trump says russia is violating the one nine hundred eighty seven deal and it's not fair for washington to remain in the agreements. we're not going to let them violate the nuclear agreement and go out and do weapons and we're not allowed to we're the ones that have stayed in the agreement and we've honored to agreement but russia is not fortunately on to the agreement so we're going to terminate a great bit we're going to pull out. well the treaty was agreed after lengthy

negotiations between the ronald reagan administration and gorbachev it bans the u.s. and russia from possessing producing or test flying missiles with a range of five hundred to five and a half thousand kilometers trump accuses russia deploying weapons banned under the agreement to date european nations and former soviet states while russia says u.s. missile defenses violate the pact that the u.s. withdrawal would allow it to the point new weapons with reports saying it may look to counter a chinese arms buildup in the pacific the australian government is set to say sorry to child sex abuse survivors on monday the prime minister scott morrison will deliver a national apology to the thousands of victims of sexual abuse in institutions that follows a five year royal commission which found tens of thousands of children were abused in churches schools and orphanages. at least fourteen people have been killed in

indian administered kashmir when explosives detonated among a crowd of protesters another thirty were injured in the blast the crowd was marching towards the southern town of program where rebels were engaged in a firefight with indian soldiers five rebels and three indian soldiers are among the dead. well thousands of refugees and migrants have crossed the guatemalan border into mexico they are part of a so-called caravan of people from honduras el salvador and guatemala who are walking north towards the united states u.s. president donald trump warns feel the point the military to stop them from crossing the southern border john holdren sent this report from the mexico guatemala border well as you can see we're right at the head of the caravan that's at least four thousand people here you can probably say one of the flags here is from home duress that's where most of the people in the caravan a for and they'd be walking now for more than a week we've got

a call up the mother here as well they're saying people come from different countries and they're really saying that they've had to come on this long and difficult journey north because there's not a lot for them back home people are saying they even can't get a job or in the jobs that they can get what it pays isn't enough to live on so they're heading now through south mexico there was a big police presence that was organized blocking the road just ahead of us but we've just heard that the mates complete has now opened up to let the people thirty get to the next city which is tapachula. hello again the headlines on al-jazeera the turkish president recipe burdwan says ankara will make clear what happened to me on tuesday erdogan says he wants justice for the saudi journalist who was killed at the saudi consulate in istanbul on october the second. all you we are going to make it clear

what happened to jamal khashoggi and god willing on tuesday i will have a group meeting and hopefully by then i'll be able to find out what happened because we are looking for justice here we want simple and street justice it will not be achieved by some simple steps you will make everything clear fifteen people came here subsequently eighteen people are arrested or detained so all these pieces of information need to be clarified and on tuesday i will go into details of the situation of saudi arabia's foreign minister odds are bad is calling death a rogue operation and an aberration he is denying that crown prince mohammed bin sandman was aware of the actions this is a terrible mistake this is a terrible tragedy we put out the version that we had based on the facts we had at the time we will continue to put out information as it becomes available and. so it is certified we have been very clear that we will leave no stone unturned and that

we will hold those accountable for the sections in respect to the way they are. britain france the u.k. have condemned these killing and say more must be done to establish the truth of what happened the german chancellor angela merkel said arms exports to saudi arabia cannot proceed quote under the current circumstances and the leading u.s. senator bob corker says he believes crown prince mohammed bin said a man is responsible for the death. polls have closed after a second day of voting in afghanistan that was extended more than two hundred fifty polling stations because of technical and security issues at least forty five people were killed in attacks during the first day of voting thousands of refugees and migrants have crossed the guatemalan border into mexico they're part of a so-called caravan of people from honduras el salvador and guatemala walking north to the u.s. they're escaping violence and poverty back home the u.s. president donald trump warns he'll deploy the military to stop them crossing the

southern border and those are the headlines inside story is coming up next on al-jazeera. i'm not satisfied and apparent about face from donald trump off to saudi arabia once again changes its story about its killing but will he put pressure on riyadh and about saudi arms deals convince any.

hello and welcome to the program on iran come on u.s. president donald trump says there is clearly deception and lies about how saudi journalist was killed and he says he's not satisfied until he finds all and says he calls doubt on saudi arabia's explanations which have changed several times since disappeared it has been criticized for defending the kingdom and refusing to give up lucrative deals to riyadh with billions of dollars we'll speak to all guests in a moment but first reports from washington d.c. . trying to campaign on the west coast us president donald trump couldn't get away from the questions about jamal khashoggi is murder it was pretty much all reporters asked about as for the saudi explanation the president had this response well i'm not satisfied until we find the answer but it was a big first step it was a good first step but i want to get to the answer he says that could come by tuesday but he again insisted that what is most important to him the money that

saudi arabia spends in the u.s. the amounts of been changing over time one hundred ten billion four hundred fifty billion gets four hundred fifty thousand jobs four hundred fifty billion dollars six hundred thousand jobs it's over a million jobs but experts say those numbers are simply not true not accurate not even close the administration the white house is operating on this false narrative that saudi arabia that we are dependent saudi arabia that saudi arabia has arms purchases support american industry that they you know they we need them they don't need us that they can go someplace else that's not an accurate narrative and it isn't persuading saudis critics in congress or in the press who are increasingly pointing the finger directly at the saudi crown prince mohammed bin psalm on the publisher of who should use former newspaper the washington post is accusing saudi arabia of trying to cover up his murder and the editorial board is urging people

worldwide to shun saudi arabia intil the kingdom changes writing the first step in that process is determining the full truth about the coup shoji murder and holding its likely author mohammed bin solomon fully accountable for the vice president joe biden seemed to agree the rest of the world is watching the united states of america we have let the world and they're wondering where the hell are we what's become of us and now. n.b.s. saudi arabia light no my lord he's making excuses by the way you know that all expression some people bring a gun to a knife fight where you don't bring your own saws to flights the anger shows no signs of abating this is the straw that broke the camel's back as far as the united states is concerned that these other incidents i think he's gotten a pass on. he's not going to get

a pass on this. it seems the biggest question in washington now how big of a price could saudi have to pay pedicle again al-jazeera washington. let's bring in our guest joining us here in doha manager professor of conflict resolution at george mason university in london andrew smith spokesman for the campaign against arms trade and in istanbul joining us on skype andrew finkel a co-founder of p twenty four and a foreign correspondent in turkey for over two decades a warm welcome to you all i would not so with you my having chicago here in doha first in the last twenty four hours we've seen u.s. president donald trump go from saying the saudi investigation is credible to saying he's not satisfied but it is a good first step at the same time we've had the saudis release a little bit more information about what happened inside that consulate when jamal

khashoggi was killed why the about face why the turning around both from the u.s. president's and why the saudis releasing more information that seemingly contradicts everything else that's come in the last eighteen days the common link between the media and washington is that both sides are trying to manage a crisis not to resolve the main question what happened and who should take the blame so it's more of a symbolic gesture of half admission the narrative in riyadh has shifted from oh he left the concert now he something happened maybe he was killed by mistake it reminds me of the textbook of the views of the local to be crisis where he denied and after a few years just admitting you know that by the way by then at the end he was dick he took the blame so from this side of the from power i think he is trying to contain all of this shift within the establishment that some congressman some

senators are pushing for a rupture with the believe it has become a liability he believes it is still an asset he is trying to manage both ways he has delivered in more than one not if to each community why the saudis what are the saudis up to they seem to be throwing out. summation the hope thing that something like stake in the narrative might change but it isn't nobody's believing exactly it's a tooley two weeks of a narrative they did not they haven't given us in a thing to work with in terms of a cliffhanger coming up with some justification order logic into the petition of what happened so this is the typical realists kind of behind normal conspiracy once it's blue in their faces they don't seem to have an adequate response then i don't i think they have also and that is to maintain the international pressure europe has pushed away and some other voices are now asking for the question what happened so this is i think something that m.b.a.'s and his advisers did not even think

about it of that he was sure he was a symbol a guy who could have been raised from the first of the earth and nobody would ask a question and also believe this is something that illustrates a higher degree of overt of confidence and b.s. believed that he would have the cover up all of them but a lot of trump all the way but i think now it has blown up in his face let's bring in the view from istanbul overhead and you think a long time foreign correspondent in turkey surely all the turks have to do is release a comprehensive report of all the leaks that have taken place over the last eighteen days and that blows the saudi narrative out of the water why haven't the turks done that yet well in a sense they've been clever in that they're innocent drip drip drip at least the terrorists i think possibly to their own surprise have been in the driving seat be right behind its own narrative and they're the ones of course who have made it

impossible for the truck to exist they let it be known every day a different little story and different little different detail about what's been going on in the true horror of what happened when when. we went inside the consulate so in a sense it suits their interests better to keep their story on the boil this way rather than to just you know produce an indictment and then get it over but why is that why the drip drip drip why keep the story on the boil. well i think there's two reasons i think one is that there's that don't read genuine sense of outrage that this horrible murder happened on turkish soil and it happened you know under their sovereignty and now and in defiance so they're. already mr kershaw p. was fairly well connected with the turkish establishment and i think you know there are people who feel a genuine sense of outrage but on the other hand the they do have it does strategic

interest in this in which they are trying to embarrass and undermine the you know the saudi leadership the crown prince they don't like him they may are on different sides of the fence in many issues america very happy to see is our party and status undermined so radically in world opinion let's bring in andrew smith campaign against arms trade in london andrew the u.s. president donald trump is almost ring fenced the sales of arms to saudi arabia saying it's just not worth putting that in jeopardy keeps using this figure of one hundred ten billion dollars a quick fact check of the figures suggest that it's nowhere near that amount of money a lot of this was negotiated on the obama administration and much of it is just letters of interest and no actual sales yet however the arms trade is now between the u.s. and saudi arabia is in thermally in the spotlight because of this all this ring fencing that's going on why has it taken the death of a journalist to put

a spotlight on the arms trade between saudi and the u.s. . well for decades now the u.s. government has been by far the largest arms dealer in the world where it's been under republican rule where it's been under democratic rule and saudi arabia has been by far one of the largest buyers of u.s. arms in time and it shouldn't take the death of a journalist to put a spotlight on it was it shouldn't take the death of a journalist for politicians to reconsider whether it is right or wrong to sell weapons to one of the most abusive dictatorships in four bottles right now you are seeing the backdrop of the terrible compartment of yemen which has created one of the worst humanitarian catastrophes in the world and u.s. weapons have played a central role in that bombardment and yet the politicians who are no reason questions were all very happy for these arms sales to continue then they were perfectly happy for the arms sales to continue when u.s.

bombs were destroying hospitals and u.s. bombs were destroying schools and when u.s. bombs destroyed a school bus only two months ago killing dozens of children what we need to see is a fundamental change an end to arms sales are varying from world ends to the idea of profit reputed ahead of human rights and human lives and i hope that if there's any good to come if this terrible atrocity i hope is but it does lead to change and that politicians do take action and that the voice of arms companies is no longer so dominant in the corridors of power but is always going to be the case when something is so valuable in this thought just the us you have great britain as well which supplies much of saudi arabia's air force with its technology and weaponry of germany as well now germany has actually come out and says we're taking a look at arms sanctions over britain and the us have not used such strong language why is germany leading the way on this why isn't it the us all or britain

. well in the case of germany actually what the german government has said and what the german government have done have not necessarily been the same thing for years neva german government is always in one instance reconsidering arms sales to say to a b. and yet the arms sales have always continued it's the same with first spanish government which six weeks ago and instead was going to end bomb sales decided abia and then five weeks ago and i inspire actually it was doing a u. turn and they were going to continue the sales so it isn't just the u.s. and the u.k. that have got a rank hypocrisy at the heart of their foreign policy but in terms of what's happening in the u.k. we know where public opinion stands on the matter because paul after paul has shown that the vast majority of people here are firmly opposed to arms sales to sadia to be in fact to pull taken in february fine but only six percent of people in the u.k. support these arms sales and with no reason to believe that the public and other countries is any less skeptical because ultimately the satyr regime is one of the

most oppressive dictatorships in the world and has committed terrible atrocities not only against its own people against the people of yemen and every government which has been selling these weapons is utterly complicit in the destruction which has taken place let's bring in the whole issue of khoja here you've heard our guest there talk about both turkey both arms sales very central key components of the whole crucial g. affair is a geo political game being played here as well iran is clearly one factor saudi arabia and the u.s. will formulating a partnership sanctions are coming against iran what is wrong his view right now is why hasn't it weighed into the affair in a much bigger way this is what would call a smart strategy but by saying nothing oh wait hundred for the regime to wane and maybe fade so the iranians have better have made the bait bet on how m.b.a.'s would

screw up. religion and politics and i think now there is this immersion balance of power where the iranians have gained a lot of momentum in lebanon in yemen and elsewhere so i think that this soon. rivalry has come to a final point where however the pencil man is normally pushing the saudi strategy forward at the same time i think trump is looking at both sides what he can do with double containment both ways by talking about sanctions visited the saudi regime if proved guilty of the hotshoe scandal as well as exit in the nuclear deal back in may so i don't see that it is an exit of this open ended search for a new bottles of power as a conflict analyst i would like also to mention that i have been skeptical about this turkish investigation i would say the same thing now about this report saudi

investigation if these took up it was serious about giving us truth and they have nothing to hide it's about time the invite to your mission or a u.n. team of investigators to come and do a proper job or they're wise we will have more cup in addition on what is going to be to remain a long process of investigation however the diplomatic the political pressure takes over more than anything else it's interesting you talk about the sunni shia rivalry but this is slightly bigger than that as well there is a sunni sunni rival going on here as well let me bring in and you think will from istanbul the turks of long viewed saudi's dominance of the sunni muslim world with let's say jealousy or suspicion that they would like to take that role for themselves does this. present the turks with an opportunity to swing things back in their favor. well. i think they would like it to be an opportunity for you

to do what you describe to gain control of the city well it is is it is or the leadership is is quite an ambitious and big project i'm not sure this incident will result to not happening but yes they are on opposite sides are on many issues they were very upset with what happened in egypt in the fall of the muslim brotherhood in egypt in politics in the supports the saudis gave to the successor regime their support of qatar perhaps turkey's close it that close its value at the moment there were and of course they're angry at the saudi treatment bad as you know a dispute in kuwait so where the turks are becoming more involved militarily so yes turkey is trying to flex its leadership and. this does give them an opportunity to undermine the major rival but of course what saudi has and turkey doesn't is

is a huge amount of petroleum well and that of course makes it difficult to. write how to do to get a better handle under smith in london and we're talking about countries head to have a terrible record on human rights saudi arabia turkey even to a certain degree when it comes to looking at prisoners the u.s. has a very sketchy record when it comes to human rights now we're talking about the fact that human rights are but yet on the table where how do you to how does somebody like you take advantage of that. well yes i mean very as it's a really bizarre situation we're seeing rumors an issue of press freedom which the turkish government to some home on the right side of because i don't date that the turkish government i don't date the turkish government is motivated by some kind of geopolitical consideration as well because i don't believe it cares about

journalistic freedom i don't believe it cares about human rights either but ultimately there is a park or see at the heart of any foreign policy which is talking about human rights and democracy while carrying out the exact opposite against their own citizens and insofar as the u.k. position goes i think it's been influenced largely by arm sales in the u.k. government will do almost anything it can to maintain was arm sales to us a duty and will happily look the other way while it is committing atrocities that is what we've seen in yemen that's what we have seen after decades of abuse of saudi people and that is unfortunately what i think we are going to be intending to do in this situation as well but ultimately the question has to be asked that if the humanitarian crisis which has been inflicted on yemen is not enough to end the arms sales and that support been more would it take if the death of a journalist is not enough to end those arms sales and support what more would it

take let's say actually that's an interesting question that's also that's also to the other guess what would it take let's start with what would it take to change. i think we are looking at this worldwide more billions ocean of an. opinion so i think this is a moment of through to where. saudi is pushing for more read politike and realism while the rest of the world is considered in some more of politics so i think that roller has exhausted its political couple overseas and i would like also to add another point since you asked earlier about the geopolitics aspect of this i think now having not having studied how out of the gun has managed to describe as i can tell that he has played his cards right and he has proved that he could be the only strategist within the game since he mannish to globally with washing them viz

a viz area as well as mentation in his cups right with the kremlin in a more school with the iranians with the israelis so this is an open circle of shifts that are coming together and i think the saudis happen to be the and the overall loser of this process to a stumble now andrew think will praise their for the one always they he's played his cards very well that he's almost the only strategist in the region would you agree with that. over this incident because they have played their cards well and one of the reasons they've been able to play them well is because they're in the riches this is on their side there was a murder committed on their territory and they expose that murder in you know way that you know the people may not approve but it was done in a very you know drip drip drip sort of way rather than simply laying their cards on the table but yes you're right is that on their side and they use that example of righteousness to very good parents but of course you know at

a certain point they're going to be obstacles to just out. you know how they can move this agenda they've people said that you know this they're actually doing the american bidding over over this affair by by revealing what happened but of course it sent by their becoming an embarrassment to the united states and indeed it has to be said that turkey is actually the thing that will that mitch turkey's ability to take a lead in the region is the fact that its economy is very weak moment and it's on the brink of a fairly serious economic crisis and in order to forestall that crisis in order to sort of get out of this situation is it really does require the goodwill of the international community the united states particular possibly let's salvador qatar people who can can lend it money but so it is trying to end its isolation and that that. is

a big priority and. there are limits to just out are you can play this game so it's all about limiting mode so as with limiting its isolation now it's your call you want to bring you in here limiting the isolation a lot of moving parts to this going on however at some point things have to get back to normal consolidation arabia can crown prince mohammed bin someone just very quickly weather the storm i don't think i can be optimistic about the future of m.b.a.'s because he has been tainted with crime and his legitimacy is gone so i think believe us the palace will try to push him to sort of cure him for a while find a way to bring him back but visa vi what it's not just the case it's also the screw up it's also the a many war it's also how he did with heavy duty how he did

it with several. governments so i think now he has become his own enemy is number an enemy number one to the regime itself the question remains is still is there is there is there any more power left to the king to decide or maybe m.b.'s has only to establish his own deep state that the regime cannot defy so this is a mother of a inside dynamics within the palace and that's just but let's just bring in the other i guess we all running out of time just very quickly andrew smith and london you see you say you have public opinion on your side when it comes. to saudi arabia a lot of the same question at some point in the money will talk louder than public opinion and things are going to get back to no like. well we would hope that if there is any positive to come from this situation is fit there is a fundamental it leads to fundamental revaluation because ultimately the saudi

regime has been able to get we were far too much for far too long but of that has been the oppression of women in saudi arabia where it has been the treatment of political prisoners group has been the hundreds and hundreds of executions which have been carried out wherever it has been the humanitarian catastrophe which has been waged in yemen we hope that it isn't return to business as usual and we hope that there is a fundamental change thanks again to all our guests managed co a andrew smith and andrew think will and thank you too for watching you can see the program again any time by the visiting our website al-jazeera dot com and for further discussion go to our facebook page that's facebook dot com forward slash a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter our handle is at a.j. inside story from am wrong card and the entire team here and life you know. i.

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country's consulate in istanbul the turkish president. says ankara will release all the evidence it. as on tuesday. all you we are going to make it clear what happened to jamal khashoggi and god willing on tuesday i will have a group meeting and hopefully by then i'll be able to find out what happened because we are looking for justice here we want simple and street justice it will not be achieved by some simple steps we will make everything clear fifteen people came here subsequently eighteen people are arrested or detained so all these pieces of information need to be clarified and on tuesday i will go into details of the situation the saudi foreign minister are those are bad has admitted that house of death was a mistake but that crown prince mohammed bin send a man had nothing to do with it they want people closely tied to him who were involved in this operation there were pictures of some security officers who may have been part of his security detail from time to time but this is normal security

people who deal in the in security details rotate among different officials close to most to conform and so having somebody in the picture does not imply that they are close to at all companies has denied this a compass is not aware of this even the senior leadership of our intelligence service was not aware of this this was an operation that was a real corporation this was an operation where individuals ended up exceeding the authorities and responsibilities they had they made a mistake when they killed jamal khashoggi in the consulate and they tried to cover up or. joining us from istanbul what are we to make of the comments speaking to american media. well i mean it's another day and another story from the saudis changing it seems every day the narrative of what they say happened to you going from absolute denial to it was a bunch the attempt at getting rid of him saying they know how he was killed and now the foreman is a saying actually they don't know the only common thread here is that their insistence that crown prince mohammed bin sudden man did not swear to this

operation nor was he aware of it but that really begs several questions not least the pointing out of my head of the former intelligence that's a show of the saudis through the london to their embassy in london as well as somebody who was pictured in several images with the crown prince either debate or says well that's coincidental that the security detail changes and rotates from time to time but anybody who knows how the detail of senior government officials heads of states or deputy heads of states crown prince when i've been summoned would be considered as a deputy see head of state would know that that personal detail is attached to you is assigned to you and it doesn't really shift but more importantly even let's imagine that it was a rotation why then was it reported that's money made for phone calls to the personal secretary of crime prince mohammed bin simon during the time that german officials she was being killed and right after that those questions together with

the fact that the private jets that these fifteen suspects came on were hired by military from a company that was personally commandeered fine have been cited money as a result of the sons of corruption crackdown as you build it that also points to why or how people are saying like other debaters that crown prince mohammed bin son man was not aware or did not give the order for this assassination and so what about turkey's position here and specifically saying that he will be releasing all the evidence turkey has on this incident on tuesday what do we expect there. well take his position is going to come under more and more scrutiny as the countdown to choose the approaches now that's due on has essentially given the deadline saying on tuesday he will reveal everything the question is what's will he reveal what's will he say what evidence will he allow it to be made public because turkey right now has a choice to make a decision to make does it follow through with the promises it has repeatedly made

by its officials saying that they will not turn out for a cover up they will be transparent they will allow people to know the truth and the whole truth of what happened or will there be some sort of considerations as regards to the geopolitics that are into play with regards to what is taking place between the bilateral kind of relations between ankara and riyadh with regards to the orcon economic considerations to take into mind considering obviously turkey is doing the best it has been for quite a while will that influence what exactly the early one sees on tuesday and once he makes public people will be questioning because critics will be saying if they do cover up that would essentially by default make turkey an accessory to this murder or will they decide to say well politics and geopolitics and biological relations are one thing but what has taken place here has been an affront not only on tiger sovereignty but also on the vienna convention has been a front on freedom of expression has been essentially a gross miscarriage of in terms of human rights and what else has taken place so

that decision a lot of people will be wondering how turkey will respond to that and choose they will be extremely decisive to say that he's ok jim thank you. so as you're hearing the narratives vary but the evidence released by turkish investigators indicate killing was planned saudi arabia the state accused of his murder has changed its stance several times since october the second that's the day that as you can see walked into the saudi consulate to collect a routine paper walk work but he never walked out according to turkish sources the royal court advisor danny and saudis deputy head of intelligence ahmed last cd are responsible for sending to turkey a fifteen member team turkish officials say was a hit squad that group was sent to meet. what saudi arabia says happened next in turkey goes as follows. and to the consulate there was an argument and some screaming members of the team tried to silence him they choked him he died

a panic ensued and so with the help of a local collaborator they dumped his body as a diversionary attempt someone clothes and left the consulate from the back door and saudi officials initially said she had left the consulate which they now admit was false all of this leaves unanswered questions what was the original order given to the fifteen member squad were they sent to turkey to negotiate kidnap or kill saudi arabia says they wanted to negotiate return to the kingdom and the make up of the squad suggest something more sinister some were members of special forces there was a forensic pathologist a doctor and even a security guard of the crown prince mohammed bin man. and is a former member of parliament from turkey's ruling ak party he's now a research director at the anchor institute and he told al-jazeera so do you arabia's cover up is incompetence i don't know what is the simplest of a or

three thing what's the leak to doing a couple of these. i say the following the genie is out of the bottle. i mean as you all know you cannot put it forth saudis are trying to invent another gene and put him back to bottle and expect and fire wall to believe it if they don't work it's shameless brazen incompetent corrupt. narrative and the world is not buying it because from the beginning it is inconsistent actually that this belief right now around the world actually made up by the saudis themselves because just just remember the episodes it's quite simple first they said jamal left the chancellor it was a lie then they said that fifteen his squat fifteen people hit squad they were tourists it was

a lie. every single step what these claims prove it was false information. and right now they're coming up with a narrative too and. to believe it so that is inconsistent see constructed by so these themselves and there is no reason right now to any of us to believe what they are saying to us now let's take a look at the evidence the turkish investigation has so far revealed he entered the saudi consulate in istanbul on october the second he was killed within seven minutes his body was dismembered in fifteen minutes turkish investigators were finally allowed into the consulate almost two weeks after missing they were able to isolate exactly where the murder happened there were traces of blood found and that suggests a violent death or the mutilation of his body after death al-jazeera learned from

turkish sources that the hit squad had contacted the private secretary of crown prince mohammed bin cell a man in saudi arabia four times during the window of time the crime was committed this suggests the crown prince was getting updates we also know that the consul general was in the building during the time of the murder he later gave a tour of journalists to journalists off the consulate that is in a bid to prove saudi arabia had nothing to hide but then he left turkey last week this narrative indicates the fifteen member team came to turkey with the intention to kill mark banneker's a forensic biologist specializing in blood stains in crime cases he says an in-depth investigation can reveal exactly how he was killed. once you got the stains you can try to get a spatial arrangement of everything because of course let's say a drop of blood can drop down as long as there is no impact but if you have an

impact or somebody is moving it's musing or cutting or anything then of course the blood will distribute through the room and you can measure the angle of impact off the blood the same you can do that with saliva of course but you can also do that with fabric as i said so at the end of the day it is quite likely that you get maybe not a millimeter like representation of everything that happens but quite a very good idea of where everybody was standing and who did what that is pretty normal in all cases especially if you have a closed room scenario like in this case because you know you can't walk through walls so that makes it easier so where does responsibility lie while the crown prince one man is not only era to the throne he's also the minister of economy minister of defense and the chairman of the council of political and security affairs and what's the general intelligence agency reports to with all his portfolios the.