impact but if you have an impact or somebody is moving its new thing or cutting or anything then of course the blood will distribute through the room and you can measure the angle of impact of the blood the same you can do that with saliva of course but you can also do that with fabric and i said so at the end of the day it is quite likely that you get maybe not a millimeter like representation of everything that happens but quite bury good idea of where everybody was standing and who did what that is pretty normal in all cases especially if you have a closed room scenario like in this case because you know you can't walk through walls so that makes it easier so where does responsibility lie well the crown prince one hundred bin sandman is not only era to the throne he's also the minister of economy minister of defense and the chairman of the council of political and security affairs in which the general intelligence agency reports to with all his portfolios there is an undeniable responsibility on the crown prince and we

mentioned earlier the townie and the r.c.d. there are very close aides to been sandman and by their own admission they don't act on their own they take their orders directly from the crown prince well the u.s. president donald trump has for the first time expressed doubt about saudi arabia's explanation of how the journalist she was killed members of the u.s. congress from both sides of the aisle have strongly condemned the saudis arabia's latest admission as mike hanna reports from washington d.c. . in his element on the campaign trail the president trump cannot get away from persistent questions about jamal khashoggi initially described the saudi report concerning the killing as credible but listen twenty four hours later retreated from this position and washington post telephone interview strongly criticized in the saudi explanation saying obviously there's been deception and there's be more

lies at the same time he continues to defend saudi arabia as an incredible ally and keeps open the possibility that the crown prince had no knowledge of the murder . this is at odds with members of congress the powerful republican chairman of the senate foreign relations committee accusing the crown prince of complicity using his initials and b s if you look at the rocky mistake he made and carter where without even talking to us they put in place the blockade he also has made some mistakes and obvious they've gone forth and murdered this journalist he's now crossed the line and there has to be a punishment and a price paid for that in and again i'm not rushing to judgment do i think he did it yes i think he did it and a bipartisan call for punitive sanctions we don't expel formally expel the saudi ambassador from the united states until there is a completion of a third party investigation into this kidnap murder and god knows what followed

that occurred in istanbul this ought to be a relationship altering event for the u.s. and saudi arabia that we ought to suspend military sales we have to suspend certain security assistance and we ought to impose sanctions on any of those that were directly involved in this murder this really ought to be something that causes to do a reexamination of our relationship with saudi arabia this is something that president trump is reluctant to do but he would find it politically damaging to veto sanctions legislation in congress that would likely get strong bipartisan support my kind of al-jazeera washington let's not speak to former state department spokesman p.j. crowley who's joining us live from alexandra in virginia that's via skype thanks very much for speaking to us so as we've been hearing we have many senior republicans and democrats who are proposing sanctions on saudi arabia they expunge the expulsion of the saudi ambassador some even calling for the cutting off arms

sales do you think that this incident is going to re-examine relations between saudi arabia and the u.s. . oh i certainly think they'll be a reexamination of the nature of a relationship there will be an effort to try to determine to the extent that our intelligence services can you know what we understand to be the events that occurred at the turkish consulate obviously turkey itself will be will play a role in this so i do think that this issue house you know some long seventy and will and will be introduced into a wide range of discussions going forward the nature for us saudi cooperation how that translates into some sort of you know punitive action if any that remains to be seen. and the president himself initially wanted a quick resolution he has earlier comments suggested that big steps were being

taken to solve the investigation now he seems to have changed his tone particularly speaking to the washington post where he was doubtful of the saudi narrative and a little more critical of the kingdom how would you assess how trump has handled this so far. i think the administration had and the president himself have been all over the map. i think he's east testing the the winds here obviously here the united states we have an important election coming up in in less than three weeks time i don't think the president wants to see this issue you know insert itself into u.s. domestic politics and the trump administration from a timing standpoint this could not happen at a worse time in early november the trump administration wants to you know significantly increase the pressure on iran saudi arabia has a key role to play in terms of reimposition of iranian sanctions so anything the administration might contemplate in terms of

a punishment against saudi arabia you know risks a blowback in what is one of the signature issues of the trump administration and when you have senator as like marco rubio like lindsey graham calling for the crown prince mohammed bin sandman to be held responsible does that presser the president at all in any way well i think. what we crucial here are you know given given the calendar given the fact that at least for the next month if not next three months that the united states is going to be preoccupied with its own internal domestic politics the fall of that whether you know the republican administration republican party holds the senate the house is or change over leadership in either of the house so i think there's time for saudi arabia you know to to refine its story and read apologies or sense of connection with p.j.

crowley he was speaking to us from virginia. now meanwhile in the u.k. germany and france are all demanding urgent clarification about what happened to him they've released a joint statement condemning his killing and saying that nothing can justify it's it's just the latest ramping up of pressure from world leaders on riyadh's as well saying the us president donald trump has a lot to lose according to some following saudi arabia's actions he's wanted a quick resolution as earlier comments suggested big steps were being taken to solve the investigation as we're saying but now he has changed his tone he's doubtful he's more critical of the kingdom and the world is looking for answers will this saudi investigation tell the whole story of how the body was really disposed off where is it and who's responsible and what about the position of the saudi government right now there is a blanket order to bring back all saudi dissident so how are foreign governments

meant to deal with this order if they're hosting political asylum seekers and what about the american government and the turkish government how will they all move forward following such damning reaction from the international community let's get more on that bring in paul brennan he's joining us from london to tell us more about what that joint statement said paul that was released by the u.k. france and germany. yes scathing words in his joint statement issued by the joint foreign ministers of those three nations and expressing i think the unwillingness to let saudi arabia off the hook too easily they want details you know that the first two weeks of blanket denials from saudi arabia about any knowledge of what happened to jamal khashoggi were clearly ridiculous and the the new version of events that has been put forward while it may be vaguely plausible not everybody is convinced that it's actually anywhere closer to the truth than any other versions that have been put forward the actual statement i have it here says

the following first of all the threatening attacking and killing of journalists and any circumstances is unacceptable and what we take note of the saudi statement which gives that preliminary findings there remains an urgent need for clarification of exactly what happened on october the second the hypotheses that have been raised by the saudi investigation need to be backed by facts which are considered credible we the stress that more efforts on needed and expect and we will ultimately make our judgment that's the three countries judgment on their response to the saudi investigation based on the credibility of the further explanation we receive so as i say they are not happy with the dribs and drabs version of events that has been put out so far they want absolute hard verifiable facts and just drilling a little further into a germany had the same germany's position paul angela merkel now is saying that

germany will not export arms to saudi arabia while this uncertainty remains what do we make of that statement. well germany is one of the big five arms exports in the world its fourth largest in terms of sales and it has previously suspended weapon sales to saudi arabia in march of this year but that was over concerns about the way that the war in yemen was being prosecuted by saudi arabia and the us is what the foreign minister hiker mass came out and said and it's a view on saturday was that as far as he was concerned there was no reason to take positive decisions on arms exports to saudi arabia while investigations into the jamal khashoggi killing were ongoing now today the chancellor angela merkel has added her voice so that situation as a first we condemn this act in the strongest tennis as we made clear yesterday

second there is an urgent need to clarify what happened we're far from having this cleared out and those responsible held to account thirdly i agree with all those who are saying that there will be it already limited and six parts can take place in the current circumstances. now germany is the world's fourth largest as i said but they don't really have a major contract with saudi arabia there are other countries that have suspended sales spain is one of the norway canada for example but the real test will be whether the big arms supplies to saudi arabia decide to follow suit we're talking that about america france and the u.k. their response will be eagerly awaited all right paul brennan thank you let's not speak to him for a hotties there with us here in doha is a professor of conflict resolution at the doha and since it's when you look at the statement that was put out by the u.k. germany and france they're demanding urgent clarification about what happened to

saying that nothing can justify it how much pressure does this actually put on riyadh i think this is a pressure because especially of the european position because it has been seem since october second the european position has devolved changed so this is just adding one more. consistency and being very solid on knowing the truth the whole truth about the situation so despondent that we have seen now with events of the story about what happened why did we saw all actually some positions like the trumpet decision position changing the european positions have developed changed on the contrary actually some other countries european countries like denmark they joined this position and also demanding more you know two more the whole truth about it but it hasn't actually put any pressure on riyadh because since this incident happened october the second all we've seen the saudis do is change their narrative of course because this is actually that's how we came to

this position because of this international pressure the fiercest saudi of the saudi government did not hold because of the constant demands from the international community especially from the europeans and also from the americans the american the establishment not necessarily the white house we have seen that finally on. actually the saudi government has responded and has revealed some parts of the of the story that admitting that jamal has been killed but still the fact that we are not seeing the whole truth about the whole thing this is making the situation more complex and i think we would have to wait for choose the which i think in my view when president or the talks about it as he has made a very strong statement today that he will be talking about the details about the whole thing will he be talking about the details will he be revealing everything that he knows as he said or will be will he be holding back on some information

what do you think we will hear on tuesday my own reading of the situation that he will be talking a lot of details about this and i'll tell you the reason why because turkey has a very specific special situation in the whole issue will because turkey. is not willing to tear its position from being a victim a country that its sovereignty was violated by this kind of killing on their soil to be tend to be a penetrate that or a complicit actually if it hides some information so i don't think so he is willing in any way to turn its role from being again a victim where the thing happened on their soil to try to be complicit about some information missing information so i think for that reason they're not willing to

take this vision it's about national pride for the for turkey it's about making sure that they review the whole thing and that's why we are seeing these strong statements coming still from the gun and solve some of the officials as will the making sure that they're going to talk about the whole thing because if they hide a very small piece of information. it's going to them against them and i don't think that the turkish government is willing to live apart and that's why i think we should expect to see is some details on choose the which is by the way if this will be you know a bit like if you have the amir the key factor about this killing was a plan the i think will this will take us to a hole in the level of. the whole thing. that would demand some more information. from the saudi government of our rights about him for her thank you thank you now meanwhile the new york times has detailed a campaign by saudi arabia to identify and silence dissidents online sarah hire us

explains saudi arabia has long been accused of using social media to quash dissent and keep tabs on anyone critical of its leadership and the latest allegation in the new york times about a saudi national who is quietly sacked by twitter and twenty fifteen on suspicion of spying for his country this is a man said to be at the center of that sanitation ali. he joined twitter in twenty thirteen and became the first saudi national to work there now the new york times reports he had access to personal information and accounts activity of some of twitches users including phone numbers and ip addresses but that's all ended in december of twenty fifteen when intelligence services alerted twitter on the saudi leadership had been effectively grooming the bara to spy on saudi critics and dissidents online he said to be back in saudi arabia though where he now works for the government now the new york times says twitter hasn't confirmed the report but

its information comes from five different sources the revelation is part of wider reporting on saudi arabia's alleged attempt to shape the online narrative after a crucial she's killing its own has taken steps in recent days to shut down spam bots i've been pushing a pro saudi agenda in a new. york times reports those efforts to sway public opinion include a so-called troll farm based in riyadh and also details how the kingdom hired the consulting firm mckinsey and co to track social media responses to its economic reforms bought three accounts flyby mckinsey as being anti reform were targeted and led to imprisonment now mckinsey for its part released this statement in the last few hours saying we were never commissioned by the authority in saudi arabia to prepare a report of any kind or in any form to identify critics and in our work with governments mckinsey has not and never would engage in any work that seeks

a target individuals based on their views the other thing is key members of sound your old see that we have to remember been taking to twitter and facebook accounts to drive for their reforms across the kingdom social media has now become in tech will for its twenty thirty vision plan or mark owen jones research as bots on social media campaigns in the middle east that hama batali for university he says twitter bots are playing a major role in the spread of information from saudi arabia. i would say in the gulf this is endemic so i've been looking at boats for example for about two years . and what i've seen for example in the past four months alone that if you look for any mention of the word saudi and arabic up to eighty percent of all tweets that mention the word saudi arabia are produced by bots which is a huge number we're talking millions and millions of tweets over time so it's a scourge and as far as i'm concerned twitter aren't doing enough to stop this the

reason trolls are hard to crack down on because essentially they're real people so they're real people who are operating twitter accounts just like anyone else except they have an agenda and they are usually paid to either put forward a narrative or to intimidate other people now because they look like real people it's hard to identify what's the difference because the software programs and usually the automated so there are patterns in the behavior which twitter is algorithms can pick up on what i think twitter need to do in places like saudi arabia is change their due diligence on human rights they should think twice about operating in a country with a poor human rights record that has a record of silencing dissidents and censoring them i do not think social media or any two it's a social media platform can be a platform for free speech if it operates in such an environment and twitter need to actually think about that more seriously still ahead on the al-jazeera news our polls close off to rest second day of voting in afghanistan amid violence and

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even as a camera woman i get to have so much empathy and contribution to a story as well we cover this region better than anyone else would be what it is you know it's very challenging there but it is but the good because you have a lot of people that are divided on political issues we are we the people we live to tell the real stories are just mended is to deliver in-depth journalism we don't feel inferior to the audience across the globe. hello again the top stories on the al-jazeera news hour the turkish president. says ankara will make clear what happened to saudi journalist. on choose day earlier on

says he wants justice for the who was killed at the saudi consulate in istanbul on october the second meanwhile saudi arabia's foreign minister has told us media that crown prince mohammed bin sandman wasn't aware of any particular. he called the death a mistake and said the kingdom was has no idea where he is leading us republican senator bob corker believes the crown prince is responsible for. britain france and germany have joined forces saying more must be done to establish the truth on the german chancellor angela merkel said arms exports to saudi arabia cannot proceed quote under the current circumstances. jordan says it will terminate parts of a peace treaty with israel which has allowed as really farmers to use jordanian lands the two tracks of territory in the south of israel and in the north were included in the one thousand nine hundred four peace treaty between the two countries but the lease governing them was for twenty five years and is up for

automatic renewal so jordan's king abdullah has been under growing pressure from his people including eighty seven members of parliament who signed a petition demanding the lease be scrapped altogether you know. aphrodisiac is difficult regional climate is to protect our interests i think cooperation with you to build a strategy for the future is very important and to work in the interests of jordanians. have been one of our priorities for a long time while the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu wants to negotiate be early. in the peace treaty jordan reserves the right to reclaim territory in the her a molong the jordan river and the so far on klav in southern israel and we will insert negotiations with jordan about the possibility of extending the existing arrangement but there is no doubt that the accord as a whole is an important thing important and dear to both states for more on this

let's bring in journalist though it could be joining us via skype from aman thanks for speaking to us on al-jazeera how much of this decision by the king was down to domestic pressure. well it's hard to tell i mean the king has kept the issue close to his chest and for months we've been waiting to find out which the direction it's going to be and i think the demonstration going in addition by the members of parliament i think out make a decision but i think big king might have had the decision all along well what is really troubling is not really what was happening in jordan but the fact that the peace process it with the palestinians that on the part the americans were reading that three d. cooperating with the jordanian then i think it was no motivation for jordan to really expand its hand or have a twenty five years of age but netanyahu is saying that israel will enter negotiations or israel wants to negotiate with jordan on the possibility of extending the current arrangement what are the prospects in your opinion for

renegotiated trading by the jordanians and what is the likelihood if the israelis perhaps using international leverage to pressure the jordanians to not cancel the street and change their mind one of the treaty says that if my twenty fifth of october they join dany and don't request it it's renewed for twenty five years so by eight by making the statement jordanian stopped the match we know what they have a year or two to reach an agreement with the israelis on any other kind of air raids meant my bet is that there isn't going to be along the air another twenty five years it may be in that range for a few years just so that these really farmers will finish their crops or whatever they're doing but i doubt that they would be in agreement for another twenty years so what are you saying this mean if this means that for any implications of the jordan israel relationship. well.

what they joined in is that is very much within the israeli jordanian peace treaty and what you heard what you just mentioned it to me i didn't want to break up that agreement so this is a very small part of the agreement and it's a point that the israelis already recognize so are in t. o. and he said two plots of land in the north end of them are in the south by actually making that decision it is really they're not really claiming that the israeli land they just want to use the land and the water below it and the jordanian they're saying that any more right to that we could have we thank you for speaking to us on al-jazeera. you are not a former soviet leader mikhail gorbachev has criticized the u.s. president donald trump's proposal to quit nuclear arms treaty with russia he says doing so would undermine the were done to end the cold war era arms race president trump says russia is violating the one nine hundred eighty seven deal and it's not fair for washington to remain in the agreements we're not going to let them violate

a nuclear agreement and go out into weapons and we're not allowed to we're the ones that have stayed in the agreement and we bonded the agreement but russia is not unfortunately under the agreement so we're going to terminate the agreement we're going to pull out. for the week before a runoff presidential election in brazil people are rallying in sao paolo in support of the far right front runners i.e. at both sun oro there have also been regular demonstrations across the country against both sonars comments attacking women minorities and the gay community the former military captain is leading in the polls well ahead of his leftists rival for an outdoor. ball center a supporters are now rallying in sao paolo that is where daniel is joining us from dana what's the scene where you are. well there's a reasonable crowd. not a syllable it's a lot of supporters they feel they've got the momentum there with the election the second crucial round just

a week away so they are going to win these elections despite there being an investigation into alleged illegal campaign funding a campaign on social media to try to undermine the integrity of. the not only himself has said he wasn't aware of the campaign and even if he was there wasn't much he could be close in what he could do about it and that's unlikely to worry these people anyway no matter what also not always says these people absolutely convinced he's the man with the answers to their problems they are disillusioned with. the collapse of the stop the resilience and to ground with very high cry. crime rates they believe they can solve those problems yes have been very clear on policy but again that doesn't seem to worry doug just six months ago he had less than twenty percent approval ratings on the opinion polls now sixty percent are rising so they feel there's nothing that can stop the momentum now and women are deeply polarized country diana leading up to the election how would you describe

the mood. among the opponents of the nahal that we've been speaking in the last few days to victims of some of the attacks against. gay and lesbian community black brazilians a supporters of fernando i doubt have complained about attacks about discrimination that have gone both ways you mustn't forget that not all himself was stopped while campaigning back in september but certainly a fear among some elements of society of brazil probably more polarized in the last few years that it is right now all right dennis weiner thank you. thousands of refugees and migrants have crossed the guatemalan border into mexico these are pictures life fiction as that is from the town of top of. the people marching there

are part of a so-called caravan of people from honduras el salvador and guatemala who are walking north towards the united states as president on a trump war and he'll deploy the military to stop them from crossing the southern border from home and has been walking with the crowds near the mexico guatemala border. well as you can see we're right at the head of the caravan that's at least four thousand people here you can probably say one of the flags here is from home door to us that's where most of the people in the caravan a for and they'd be walking now for more than a week we've got a call up the mother here as well they're saying people come from different countries and they're really saying that they've had to come on this long and difficult journey north because there's not a lot for them back home people are saying they've a call get a job or in the job that they can get what it pays isn't enough to live on so they're heading now through south mexico there was a big police presence that was organized blocking the road just ahead of us but

we've just heard that the mates complete has now opened up to let the people third get to the next city which is tapachula. the polls have closed off to a second day of voting in afghanistan it was extended more than two hundred fifty polling stations because of technical and security issues at least forty five people were killed in attacks during the first day of voting with more than two hundred twenty others injured charlotte dallas reports from kabul. afghans queue outside this polling center in kabul patiently waiting for a chance to vote it's the second time the tries. of the nearly five thousand polling same tis four hundred was slated to open a date night after a host of logistical issues because of security threats only two hundred fifty six actually opened it is a moment in being as he would see some of by me yesterday we came here to vote but there were a lot of irregularities and the biometric system was not working and there was lack

of employees at the polling center human systems to see it was a first voting system is very weak and slow the voting started from this morning but so far only ten people have voted. the resilience is counted in ballot papers and lifes. the government deployed seventy thousand security forces to protect bush's this weekend the taliban said it would target the polls disparate to stop the democratic process the armed groups sees as an extension of american influence joy that i. am in the afghanistan this is the time to be proud of our national army national police and our intelligence forces for ensuring security but still violence slipped through the cracks the ministry of interior tell it up nearly two hundred taliban attacks nationwide on saturday. the worst came in kabul just after sunset voting seemed to should have been closed at the time but were extended to

cope with the long queues of people still waiting to vote a suicide bomber tried to enter a polling station more than a dozen people were killed there was said you should get out was there was a blast and i fell down on the ground blood was everywhere and there were many casualties don't know what happened next. afghans knew they were risking their lives to vote the taliban have reminded them many times and yet they turned out in the millions defiant. young of the nine million registered to vote one third turned out on election day it's sunday will take up another million ballots with two provinces yet to vote initial results will be revealed in three weeks these are the third parliamentary elections since the fall of the taliban in two thousand and one if this is the appetizer the main course is the presidential election and april despite logistical and security concerns forces themselves a more engaged and.