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involved it would be him trump called the kingdom's handling of the journalists killing a total fiasco. well as saudi crown prince is due to speak at a major investment conference in riyadh later on wednesday dozens of high profile business leaders and politicians have boycotted the summit over the kingdom's involvement in. thousands of people escaping poverty and violence in three central american countries are defying donald trump by continuing their march towards the u.s. border currently heading north through mexico yes actually a state might pompei as as the caravan poses a danger and is warning migrants to turn back the united nations says millions more people in yemen and previously thought of facing famine iran's humanitarian chief has given security council an update on the situation there mark local says the three year conflict has left some fourteen million people on the brink of famine just to be clear my assessment my advice to you is that there is now
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a clear and present danger of an imminent and great big famine engulfing yemen much bigger than anything any professional in this field has seen during their working lives our revised assessment the results of a new survey work an analysis is that the total number of people facing pre-fab in conditions meaning they are entirely reliant on external aid for survival could soon reach not eleven million baht fourteen million that's hard for the total population of the country those are the headlines plenty more on the day's news can be found on our website there it is al jazeera dot com do go and take a look on the back with more news here on al-jazeera that's after inside story. stories of life. and inspiration.
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a series of short documentaries from around the world. that celebrate the human spirit against the odds some of them on the missile base ok. al-jazeera selects change makers. corporate single clashing over the killing of jamal khashoggi turkey's president says the saudi journalist was the victim to the savage premeditated murder but other questions remain unanswered and he stopped short of blaming the saudi leadership so what now this isn't.
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hello and welcome to the program on iran come on turkey's president had promised what he called the naked truth twenty four hours later the one delivered his much anticipated speech to end he's an autograph he gave more details about the killing of jamal khashoggi but the president said many questions remain unanswered including who ordered his death and where is the body or the one said the saudi journalist was a victim of a savage murder planned days in advance that contradicts saudi accounts of an accidental killing he says he doesn't doubt the credibility of king solomon but is demanding answers and a full investigation into what happened in istanbul three weeks ago there was no mention of saudi crown prince mohammed bin solomon who some suspect of ordering the killing of the writer who criticized him in the war and wants the identities of all involved everyone from top to bottom held accountable and the suspects to go on trial in turkey we will talk to our guests in a moment but first let's hear more from the president. washee view.
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so far the evidence we have shows jamal was murdered brutally such brutality cannot be covered up in any way it would hurt humankind's conscience we would like saudi authorities to show the same sensitivity to this murder german. law she viewed. so far the evidence we have shows jamal was murdered brutally such brutality cannot be covered up in any way it would hurt humankind's conscience we would like saudi authorities to show the same sensitivity to this murder that. we have strong evidence that this was a premeditated murder in the light of the information we have everybody has questions here are the questions these fifteen people why did they come to the temple on the day of the murder who ordered them to come to turkey we need an answer why was the building of the consul general not open for investigation on the same day only after so many days why so many credible explanations where is the
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body of jamal khashoggi nobody knows where the body is it is alleged that the body was given to a local cooperate or so who is the local operator we need to know who that is. hardiman i mean. i personally don't doubt the sincerity of the custodian of the two holy mosques king solomon. on the other hand it is very important that such a critical investigation about a murder is carried out by its truly a biased and fair delegation with little doubt about their connections or charter should we will follow this incident until the end whatever is required by our laws and by international laws we will carry it out in fact i'd like to make a call from here today my call is to first and foremost saudi arabia's king salmon and to senior administration bullies where the incident to therefore my offer is for these fifteen people plus three people eighteen arrested to be tried to be
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stamboul. let's bring in our guest joining us from london is gallup delay he's the research director at the istanbul are based off shock for him and a fellow with brookings institution in nutley new jersey we have steven rogers he's a member of the trump for president and vice reboard a former member of the f.b.i. national joint terrorism task force and also in london we have toby cadman he is an international lawyer welcome to you all let's start with you this was promised to be the naked truth but what we actually seem to get was fully clothed diplomacy was a very strong speech by president of the one demanding taking ownership of the intelligence leaks that we've seen over the last eighteen days what did you think of the president's performance. well what was important in this speech is not what new information that it has revealed it did not reveal any new information to my
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knowledge but what it has done it gave formality to what those four has been. the what thus far has been framed as been leaked from an arms struggle fishes so from now on is not an anonymous token official leaking it's the president of turkey is basically owning thus far what has been the to the media so it's important from this for then secondly what i saw in this picture is out of the one being very careful to draw a distinction between the sun one met in sandman and the king's a man and the sun one met in summer and the saudi arabia and even though he never uttered the words one met in somalia never out of the name of the moment it's a month but everything goes for turkey has been provided in one way or another is linking the case to mohamed in some are himself the thirdly that was important is turkey is trying to get more and more international political support not just
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public support because thus far the public sport and the public interest the media support in jamal khashoggi case has been very very significant and has been very very commendable but nevertheless there is a still that much political support that will be consequential regarding the. regard and the position of m.b.'s as well tool and for this turkey's particle look at the united states or what position that u.s. will take on the fate of the m.b.'s because turkey believes that unless you get to us on board no matter what turkey dolls' the result of its action will not be very consequential regarding the political career of m.b.'s himself so let's bring in terms when i was you know the question as well as you know the question gathered he also talked about wanting the eighteen people arrested in saudi arabia to be tried in turkey. that seems to be a deliberate turning up of the heat on saudi arabia put more pressure on them do you think that's right. i think exactly right i think it's not only does it
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impossible to attract in turkey he indicated that he can and will go more out of the saudi arabia because he'd he in soon it that is not the does not alter to has and he put some very important question for instance like where is the body who is the local collaborator what is the nature of the relationship of these eighteen people so the question that he paused and he said that remains to be and answered and vote to answer them is very crucial for the evolution of these cases because it's not only who does eighteen people are like these fifteen or eighteen people but what is the measure of the relationship of these eighteen people with the power structure in saudi arabia and when you look at it particularly from the list that we have received thus far a very singular number of them in one way or another has been directly or indirectly or close to or not that closely related to mohamed bin sandman so the case has a legal foundation which is
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a legal aspect that will involve these eighteen people etc but then it will have also a political aspect which is who gave the order of the question for us and what a question that he asked is who gave the order if not by what these eighteen people has done but who gave the order i think the court the answer to this will give the order will take us to the political aspect of this crisis and the responsible of the political responsibility for this crisis because he did utter the word that it is premeditated and political so therefore it cannot be covered up by some rogue element or low ranking officials within the state structure but nevertheless as i said before in order for the turkish action to be consequential at in turkey is very very interested to get the international community on board and turkey does not want to join this issue into joe paul called bickering between turkey and saudi arabia and does not want to turn this into a bilateral crisis it let's bring in new jersey here in saudi arabia. stephen rajah
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stephen i just want to ask you you were the former advisor to the trunk campaign clearly this would have been watched by quite likely be much by president old trump how do you think he's feeling right now what do you think this is going through the u.s. president's mind when he was watching the one speech. well he's been very prudent in his approach towards this issue he has consistently stated that he wants irrefutable evidence from the turkish government or from anyone for that matter that this was a planned execution what's going through his mind is a he wants to see justice served he's a president that those do the right thing but he's also concerned about the impact that this could have on our relationship with solder rev rabia especially with regard to our own national security and the many many jobs the economic impact it could have with regard to jobs here in the united states in relation to arm sales i
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believe in his heart he knows that the this was a terrible terrible incident shouldn't ever happened and he really wants to get to the bottom of the truth this is why he sent secretary pompei oh so the regent this is why the cia director is getting information as we speak at the end of the day i must tell you a lot of people are scratching their heads with regard to the original story that the sides gave everyone on this planet first they denied any they happened then they said something happened they could have went rogue i mean you cannot expect people to believe several stories so the saudis are going to have to come clean just just tell the truth will happen it'll be up to them to clean up their own mess and their own country gina hospital the cia director as you mentioned is a key what conversations as she having will messages she brought an issue bring
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with her the ability to be able to start investing u.s. led investigation or is this simply a political visit. well i believe that it's a good question to begin with she wants to get down to the truth we're going to have to know what turkey has the president of turkey didn't offer anything new as far as i can see he offered up information that we already had but as your prior guest said it kind of plugs those leaks it's an official statement from the president of turkey but she's going to come back i'm sure as secretary pompei all came back with the information that they need that the president needs to make a decision with regard to that to how he will respond to this now your question about that it will be a u.s. led investigation i don't know i don't know i i would suppose that it would be best for turkey and saudi arabia to work with each other to get to the answers to the
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questions that they need but the united states is as the president said is not the policeman of the world is not the president of the world he's the president of the united states and he's looking out for our best interest and hopefully we're going to see a conclusion based on evidence i want to underscore the word based on facts and evidence so that everyone will be satisfied gallop i want to bring you hey before we get into international law with toby cadman in london i want to bring you had you just heard what steven rogers just said he wants to get to the truth to the bottom of all of this does he want to get to the truth and the bottom of all of this or is this scrambling now to save the relationship between saudi arabia and turkey because money talks. well unfortunately the trunk that ministration trying him to have gave quite a contrast thing answer starts far to the questions if you want to get the evidence or if you want to get
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a truth i think it's would not be that hard and i'm sure the turkish security establishment and intelligence establishment will more or less share many things with their us counterparts if they haven't bombs or are up until now so in this regard i don't i wouldn't i don't expect many trouble in the united states given evidences and turkey has all interest to provide the united states with evidences because it wants to get us on the what as well to or in this crisis yes. she was not a u.s. citizen but he was a u.s. resident as far as i know according to u.s. law he can be regarded as a u.s. person is the other is a u.s. citizen he was writing for a washington post so therefore like turkey has all the interest as i said like to get the u.s. on board in this matter let's bring in attorney had been a long time here you're an international lawyer you clearly understand the way this all works this is an almost a unique case this was a murder that took place in saudi sovereign territory the consulate in istanbul
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yet the president of turkey says he wants those people tried in istanbul is there precedent for this what's the what what shape does any trial in turkey take look like and can it happen indeed. well it raises number of questions. first of all the question of whether a concert of mission has the same status as a full diplomatic mission or an embassy. and the question of sovereignty is something which has been tried and tested in a number of cases so it's not a question of absolute immunity we also have a situation where a crime has occurred in the in the cultural mission which is covered by the vienna convention on on consular relations which is different to the vienna convention on diplomatic relations. but you also have part of the crime being carried out side of
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the protection of the consular mission of course and as the last guest said what we have what we need to rely on is credible evidence as to exactly what happened but it is entirely within its rights to to investigate and prosecute this before the domestic courts they are entirely entitled to to seek the extradition of these eighteen individuals and potentially mohamed bin sentiment as well. and obviously there be a question of whether he is covered by any form of diplomatic immunity to stand trial what we could see is if the saudis refuse to cooperate in any form. then the united states or turkey could effectively take this to the international court of justice seeking. effect of a declaration that the saudi authorities should or the prosecutor or extradite we saw that some time ago in the case of. what are cases being brought by belgium
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a concern to go for for a former dictator to be to be tried and effectively he was so there are a number of questions that need to be sued and also as far as the the diplomatic relations is concerned we shouldn't forget the actual thirties were invited into the. into the consular mission so the question is whether they can the saudis can therefore back on a position of diplomatic immunity remains unclear so that i think it's about two sides for is that they seem to be two sides in this you have the legal. way of working and what is the law what is effectively the legal framework for any potential trial but there's also the court of public opinion here has president or the one by taking ownership of all of the leaks old of come out in the last eighteen nineteen days meant that he's actually blown away the saudi narrative out
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of the water that nobody's taking that with any kind of seriousness a toll. yes i think that's right and as the previous guest in new jersey quite rightly stated that in situations such as this it's the cover up which is a bigger issue than the act itself and the fact the saudis came out with a number of different positions fundamentally undermines their position and i think there is some criticism to be made of president trump as well for for initially accepting the saudi. position without looking into it further cause he said he wanted to see evidence and that's positions taken. and of course he will reserve his position going forward but i think that the.

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