the share these with us we have a conversation so that we're actually featuring the voices of people that we're talking about kevin i know you have experience but these are people who have no home right now let's start with barry. who for the very first time when i met him has been his very first night on the streets and he'd never been homeless before have a listen. to describe. it. but i. have to. look at my. i don't know what to do. and when you can fill with just incredible empathy for

barry that i'm just wondering when people are in that situation who is there to help them. well i think it's important to remember you know when your face faces those heartbreaking stories like barry's these are casualties of a system that has totally failed people and we do need to look at the kind of root causes of what is this going wrong here. so we do need to look at the kind of decades of failure we've seen to build enough homes and that really is rooted s. and even more importantly we need affordable homes people can actually can afford rent you need social harms in terms of who's there for them right that when they're on the streets as lots of charity is not a nice ations let's among those like shelter who can pick them up and can give them advice and support but unfortunately we are in a position as are lots of local authorities as well that there are just simply not enough homes to put people into so often the services that are there are very

limited in their options. we got this comment picking up on what you said there poppy this is someone watching live on you tube legendary and i think you answered this slightly but legendary rights and does the u.k. have any kind of social service that puts homeless people in a home or is it some sort of choice to remain homeless and if there is a service why is that not used them before we get an answer to that i want to share this story from someone in the u.k. this is brian who says you may not believe me but me and my family sit in temporary accommodation just been found an intentionally homeless he goes on to say this is a life changing event and it's more into him feeling depressed because there's no stability for the family and depressed i have no stability to face brain surgery my wife is my rock and my only how he ends with this tweet saying that before we became homeless i searched relentlessly the advertisements for property we couldn't downsize as the onus and blame would have been with ourselves for putting ourselves in over overcrowded situations that the local housing allowance doesn't go near the

cost of rent so kevin seeing the juxtaposition of that comment from versus a brian story here on what is offered and how it isn't enough can you think about that and telling us how it is that you became harmonies and what you would say to. the problem being is it when somebody is taken off of the street and they're taken into housing and they're given a by the hospital and then the transitions made threw in to support our genes or like it's been said the cost of private rent and in london is astronomical astronomical social housing is. probably a wreck all the time low there just isn't enough of that being built there isn't and not the government not doing enough in the private sector to make it affordable and then when people do come in they're not they're not going to just go straight into work there's issues to deal with when they're when they're getting benefits

when they hit the south side of it. we just lost kevin there for a moment but when i come back to kevin in just a little bit maybe i'm just thinking about. the other stories that your reporting the investigation actually sparked it made people think about homelessness when they were at nestle thinking about it i remember when i grew up in london shelter was a huge organization doing incredible work it still is but the story has got worse yeah and i think what you know the stories that you've heard there on the streets are one visible sign of it across cities across the u.k. people sleeping rough it's a really visible increase i think you know we think of a tent city springing up people sleeping in head rows in parked it's really graham but i think what you know poppy and kevin know as well is that there's also these

hidden homeless thousands and thousands of people living in temporary accommodation it just isn't suitable bit better breakfasts the hospitals emergency accommodation people so for surfing on friends floors you know just really untenable situations for people to be living in so we would try to include some of that in our reporting but those deaths the sadly even less well recognized even less likely to be logged because they are hidden from view which is just another reason why four hundred eighty four is. an underestimate you mentioned that he has not only the right. yeah i think i think that's absolutely right and i think that you know the numbers that we know of we know that there are around three hundred thousand homeless people in britain but as may says there are many many more to hit and i kind of think what the research the best journalism has done helps to bring people back into it because when you've got such a huge structural issue and we are facing we call it

a national emergency and it is that it is this huge structural issue in the numbers is so enormous it's easy to get lost in that and actually what the reporting does. and shout out to remind people that there are each of those three hundred thousand individual life being impacted many of those include children these lives are completely disrupted and even if they are in temporary accommodation enough to be house it is often very very unsuitable not to place any of us would want to live and those the people who are fortunate. we do have very good times and tax people but if we don't have enough homes to put them into people are going to fall through the cracks and that is often why we see people seeking work because there is just not enough accommodation for them to live in so in terms of what needs to be done we need the government to commit to a genuinely bold revolutionary generation changing shifting commitment to social housing and they need to look beyond i think is ten years they need to look twenty

years in the future and commit to a new general generation of affordable housing because unless we do that we're not going to solve it you mentioned the hidden homeless both of you may have and poppy and i wanted to bring in this tweet from miami who says it isn't just about the rough sleepers it is the hidden homeless to austerity and lack of affordable homes and treatment by some councils is appalling and punitive but i want to give a counter to that and to this experience there is this tweet from the mayor of manchester mayor andy burnham this month we have pledged to provide a bed every night of the coming winter to every rough sleeper in greater manchester we require financial donations from businesses and the public so that a bed every night can be a success maybe programs like this do these surprise here do you think that there should be more of them or is this a step in the right direction. sounds like andy burnham in manchester it's really committed to this and doing great work which is fantastic i think the problem is

the sustainability of funding you know if you're having to go cap in hand to the public every time. that's an issue in terms of making sure there are places that are over. that well staffed where the staff have the training that they need to deal with some of these really complex issues so if councils are continually having their budgets cut it means they're having to really slice back on you know their funding for these things so the government comes in and drops these pots of money but they're off to one off payments that are not enough to kind of think long term so i talk he says maybe a big bold strategy is needed and another thing that we found during the investigation was that these deaths are meant to be reviewed when they happen and those are rough sleepers strategy brought up by the government early this year that said that should happen but in reality councils safeguarding boards which are these boards of kind of g.p.'s police doctors council workers they're very very rarely

reviewing what's gone wrong with these deaths so there could be lessons to be learned there could be simple solutions joining up services but that's just not happening so guess what i want to bring in damon day to day kevin i'm going to come straight t. but let me just bringing damon then with some data al-jazeera producer met just twenty four hours ago damon has is she said he says he he admits to with alcohol but he's also looking at what are the solutions what are the ways that he and the homeless community in different parts of the u.k. can get off the streets have a listen to what he had to say. i don't know what i'm good ben people are doing but the military. has spilled its attempt at the hospital to shut down to the could be made at all of our schools or something was up the street went to school but it's going to be a bad winter this is an indian summer. when winter comes that's women going to feed them two years ago and they died of

a million. we're not going to pigeon hole human beings but after we had more or less survive to sell her fingers and everything she forced by sticking to time and that one of those government paid for tank but it's not just the government that has to react for instance. karen has something called how good this is something a working on they were involved in and people who've lived on the streets are actually involved in. i mean champion in a campaign and what we can open their country straight to the government. or is a huge change. it really does need to be really looked at night i mean i know when when it comes there's a big. hoo ha and there's all this. action it's not it's not solving anything it's like ticking boxes there's no there's no long term

impact there's no long term impact and since two thousand and thirteen that you said it's doubled and it's more than that this hidden item this this all of this going on there's just a great little organizations i must say some mongo huge they must get a big shot for actually trying to get this into the public eye where they're saying to the government come on now look let's do something we've got we've got the campaign up of money in there's plenty of people signed in the sun and the petition the open letter and is that going to be enough not we need more we need more and having platforms like this gives us a chance to actually say well maybe make the right people start listening let's be real you know to this is what the polls which you see in the world should not have this homelessness issue you know not a chance in the world that they must be at bat away it that people are transitioning away from the speech to stay away from the street. lockups to distil

recently it's ok giving somebody a republican head that's when it just stops you've got to look at the holistic point to be what is why why they have this why can't they go back to friends family if their mental health issues if their substance misuse the off the street a person as a whole human being you know rather than separate maybe figure which is what goes on in the services now if we start looking at things differently and start looking at people as human beings like like they need to say it is not a pigeon he's a human being he deserves as much to be in a warm safe place as anybody else and it should be going on and it does get my back up a bit because that can be solved. so let me say that's a really good point about funding you know we can fund outreach projects and homelessness shelters but if mental health. funding for that is being cut drug and alcohol problems programs have been cut there's this whole you know the kind of

issues around the issue. for so yeah that's a really really important point. i want to show because if he says from the u.k. ministry of house in communities and local government have a look here on my laptop every death of someone sleeping rough my last streets is one too many and we take this magic stream me seriously we are investing one point two billion to tackle all forms of homelessness and have set out bold plans backed by a hundred million pounds in funding to have rough sleeping by twenty twenty two and end it by twenty twenty seven that's pretty bold really to what i don't think that our community online is convinced that enough will be done this is a comment we got from you tube say it says we bailed out the banks in two thousand and eight and as a result we in the u.k. are paying for it through our underfunded social services like mental health and services for the elderly that have been cut echoing what you said made another person on you tube though feeling similarly grayskull says are we not going to hold

our government accountable i don't see anyone addressing specific government policy and ministries poppy i'll give this one to you people feel like the government isn't being held to account for this at least not strongly enough. i think there is a lot of good work out i think by organizations like that and those in the initiative kevin was talking about shelter is something that we do every day and we have seen some positive steps in government you know made mention the rocks in strategy and you know you just outlined the commitment by twenty two and seven having a government talk to take responsibility make commitments these are positive things and these are the first steps and we do hope that it will help improve services for some people i think what you do you have to look at the sustainability of those measures and i kept saying if we don't have the homes to the people and you it's not we're never going to sell there and we also need to look further upstream we need to look at prevention how do we stop people becoming homeless in. one of the

tweets you had earlier mentioned local housing allowance which is kind of welfare that people get to help them afford their homes rent that's been frozen and cut iren year in it's harder and harder for people to afford their rent because the right has been going up and the welfare that they've been in staying the same and they have to make up themselves so government policies are putting people at risk of homelessness so you've got on one hand they're making commitments to so and on the other another part of government is actually exacerbating the problem make it worse yes and we need them to work together i hate popping let me just pop paul one more story and in this is from somebody he's living rough right now this is cheryl she's thirty nine years old and she had to flee from her domestic partner because of domestic violence this is what she told out in syria yesterday have a look. i have to pay for my very domestic. situation i have so it will be a. big mistake. i speak on the savoy on.

my own when honestly i stand now i don't want to be intimate. but i just like to stand at the end and just. so i have to show. you know i mean. you know there's no need for it is hard enough read. so many stories so little resources that sheryl who's having streets right now in london. talking about what can be done david kid here has one idea he says lived experiences have to be at the heart of everything we do to work towards ending homelessness and how to go about that he says in glasgow we have a project that creates opportunities for people experiencing homelessness to get involved in shaping and improving the city's responses to homelessness at every level and we're in the process of replicating this nationally thank you for

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