tv NEWSHOUR Al Jazeera October 29, 2018 5:00am-6:01am +03
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it is an obscure disease that has remained largely off the radar but in a different part of the world it has captured the obsessive interest of another assange tist this is a horrible beast that has this life cycle where hast excruciating pain that's diabolical i'm a curator in the division of invertebrates here at the american museum of natural history in new york city guinea worm is one of those parasites that fascinated me is a graduate student or never seen it alive i've never seen it in the wild and it's been with humanity for thousands of years. and there are some very interesting questions that need to be answered why is this need a real long parasite painless for up to a year living inside somebodies leg or arm or other tissue and then only when it needs to only when the parasite means to finish the cycle and get back back into
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the water and release its laurie only then is it create this excruciating blisters . in one thousand nine hundred eighty six when little was known about anyone even in countries where it was president the disease was brought to the attention of former us president jimmy carter. this was a terrible vacuum in the health care for literally hundreds of millions of people so we decided that we would take it on as a project not knowing the extent of it not knowing where it was not knowing. how to address the problem. when his philanthropic organization set out to measure the extent of the disease it found three and a half million cases occurring every year amongst the world's most remote and neglected people guinea worm was found in pakistan india and yemen but it was in
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a belt across sub-saharan africa that had had the greatest impact. because guinea when is water born having safe drinking water is essential to eradicating it. the process of getting what the flu really will behold is a long process it is possible but it is a long process the most difficult but we can do something much easier and we can protect ourself a good one. and the first step to providing protection is to let people see for themselves what swims in the water they drink. is a numerous and they have the typical dickie movement as a pseudo seems to be all you really good on close on a lot of them look at them i'm not there or not you know that idea because he's
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refusing to do this with his reviews because all those what have lee's so they're hard at it people doing pfister do what i didn't did i did drink the whole thing you said just water and you'll go literally and what i want to know when you're. good and sold for is are very different but i might be. there in your room on my way out with the why of it if you think hollywood is in this because they have said this life. and so what he does what he's bringing them to good use of that is exactly what they were not if he didn't use freedom and he just. with a membrane stretched across one and was the inspiration for the pipe. an idea that came from the norm ads of north africa would be news ing it for you. and a norwegian government made us nine million of these pipe filters were set to pipe
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filters into a saucer that. pipe filters were ideal for no magic people but longer lasting cloth was needed for filling buckets and jerry cans. president approach to manufacture of parachutes for money what he got was more than what he had bargained for. they gave us six million square meters very fine filter cloth and that was a basis on which we went into the villages and taught them what cause a disease and told them if they would strain every drink of water through that filter cloth so that they could get rid of. filtering drinking water to remove guinea when carrying water fleas became
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a mainstay of the eradication program. over three decades guinea worm was eliminated village by village and country by country. ninety area and ghana which had recorded the highest number of cases in the world completed elimination by twenty eleven yeah. it's quite possible that two years from now i won't be able to get one of these worms in fact with any luck that'll be the case so this is one of the last opportunities that anyone will add that i will certainly have in order to get one of these parasites live and to preserve it in a way that work can be done on it. but. the extinction of any species should give us some cause for concern but quite
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frankly when it comes to the scourges of humanity i'm all for it but i think we should study them while we give. south sudan is the world's youngest country born out of decades of conflict with its northern neighbor. this was followed by intent all strife would still threatens the work of the guinea worm program. dr monks it has joined mccoy in south sudan it will take two days of hard driving under god from the capital to reach moguls only two hundred and thirty kilometers away. my country is pretty vast you just saw five period in the
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city of us under development on modernization has made scientists with and one of the whitest regions in the world. body infrastructure mixed to be difficult to get to malta idiots which happen to be the most and i'm especially in the rainy season when access is stored difficult but that's the time that you have to step up your definitions. the reason we're going in the rainy season is because of the life cycle of water fleas come out and when there's water. the water is central to the life cycle. beyond the collapsed bridges and washed out roads nies models it is no. coincidence that anyone has made its last stand in this inaccessible and isolated part of the
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world. there's a fairly good movies that. the most neglected they don't have access to any services right here done most schools or not has granted it's not like most. didn't have a voice invent to advocate. and begin on program because it's the entry point for them to have a connection or means of communicating with people make decisions on those why we need to get on program look at us all as advocates for those coming to as a voice for these communities yeah.
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this is where it's going to end this is the place right here where it's going to and these are the people who are going to solve this problem once and for all just like the nigerian saw that in nigeria and the gandhian solved it in ghana and it takes the people in the community to do it and to see how we have a community of people coming together to interrupt a parasite life cycle and solve it without vaccines without drugs is just fascinating and really. uplifting to see humanity be able to accomplish this across such a huge geography and huge cultural diversity. when it's about the cause of the disease must be universal across endemic areas. people have lived with guinea worm for thousands of years and understand it's good with a certain fatalism the government. does he know how to get anywhere you know this you know how. i don't know about over the other side of
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a long long long ago not worth that. room believe that it is associated whether i move the link transmission to any source of water it is a very sketchy sort of link so the bottom line is to ensure that the communities that don't understand that link between fact the past and. the uncertain with the songs you know what to look out are going up or down i mean we're. tara brand has spent six years under mccoy's leadership working for the guinea worm eradication program in some of south sudan's remotest regions does she know how does she know how she got to get me when i ask are there she know where to get a room comes from. me. that is going to india lobby that. so i want to ask her how did they get
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a worm get and to you say. you don't know when you know so so she does not know how guinea worm gets into the water the a teacher community this is a problem from water and very bitterly they have always seen it year in year out time immemorial so sometimes the a teacher general. there is always something who are going to suffer can they show us how to use their filter good they are not about me now or young women did they hear the end of june. it's through meticulous attention to every single detail that villagers are brought around to protecting themselves and each other from infection . she needs so first read this with a clean. not that we want to.
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look at the duty i think we distributed this one last week so. he's ok because there's less but talk around. us. in this endgame with anyone confining people in a camp away from any water source is proving to be effective in mongrels. what happens here is that if somebody presents with a blister in their community they're brought here and then they're treated until the worm emerges and so we know that this particular strategy works if you just get people to number one filter the water they drink number two don't go back to water when they've got a warm coming out you've now broken the cycle in two different places and you don't have a circle you have to have circles it's not complete. we know that if there is here being treated they're not going to into water because we're providing water for
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washing and all of those things. we will keep them until they're worms in march maybe they go in and have multiple worms and so we have to keep them here until all of this whims have emerged have been removed and into all of their wounds hill. there are seven confirmed and fifteen suspect cases of guinea worm at the containment center. one confirmed case is nine year old. were arrived here by hisself more than two weeks ago. she's never been kept away from her family before. everyone is trying to make her feel comfortable but you just can't take away the pain that she has gone through and is going to continue to go through until those warm is removed. that alone is just heartbreaking. this unbelievable pain has been going on for hundreds of thousands of years if not
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a million years across an enormous landscape with children and adults and mothers and brothers and sons and it's all about pain is just unbelievably tragic. now comes when has already taken weeks team and. it could take a month or even longer to remove it completely. each day as it is drawn centimeter by painful centimeter it is wrapped around a lot of cool as for millennia the worms will wander around a stick so i wasn't prepared for the fact that it really took this amount of time day after day painfully extracting a very long one from behind her knee. we had nurses in case containment center managers who are trained to treat all the cases and all of the suspects. we provide three meals
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a day. if the mother is a suspect or a case then she is allowed to go to the case content center with the children. we have sheets and bed mats they try to make it nice for them so that they'll want to stay there. on the. cattle are critical to survival here but this season i need to find fresh grazing complicates the work of the program. we moved to get at the garden tops i mean i've been deemed a transmission i didn't think someone there stocks.
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mccoy receives news that a cattle raid by one plant on another to the north of marcos has left one hundred and twenty casualties. getting over that's something to being a grave referred to by the fog that it is possible in opposing to their guns. it is not. where the population go on to become so difficult for the. people around. us. we don't know anything about a way. to respond. mico
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a good thing this is kind of all in all the right wing assault on our freedom to os questions and generally all freedom of expression and people you know are being taught it's like students teachers activists filmmakers writers base all of them but it's going to do this on a respite and people are on the streets and protest and it's just our doorstep saw image as a weird legs all attempts to contradict something and it's. i know i'm maryam namazie in london a quick look at the headlines turkish police say the saudi consul station chief in istanbul went to a forest north of the turkish city a day before saudi janice jamal khashoggi was murdered in an area where investigators have been searching for his body the station chief is believed to
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have left the sixteenth meanwhile saudi arabia's public prosecutor is visiting istanbul to discuss the killing touch authorities want the eighteen suspects to be extradited child strafford has more we're now hearing from these police sources talking to the newspaper. one of the men involved in this group of one of the group members was a man called made a bold moves amy who has been the station chief of the consulate the saudi culture that since two thousand and fifty. there was an implication that this trip to this forest the belgrade forest was according to be stirred warm potentially a reconnaissance mission a way of possibly even looking for a suitable place to bury crucial issues body and i'm moving to our other top stories this hour the suspect behind saturday's mass shooting at a pittsburgh synagogue had expressed
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a hatred of jews during the rampage saying he wanted them all to die the forty six year old gunman who has been named as robert bow as has been charged with murder and federal hate crimes which carry the death penalty eleven people were killed during the twenty minute attack on the tree of life synagogue. to sri lanka now where the president says he sacked his prime minister because of a plot to assassinate him president my trip allah serious cena has also suspended parliament sparking a political crisis that turned violent off to a security guard fired on a crowd of presidential loyalists at least one person was killed the former prime minister ron elving promising a insists his dismissal was illegal. and brazilians all voting in one of the most polarized presidential elections in decades anger over corruption and crime are expected to carry the far right candidate also narrow to the presidency former
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army captain has been leading polls for the runoff which would mean a dramatic swing to the right for latin america's biggest nation going to bring you much more on that story in brazil in the news i will be live in rio de janeiro to join us then for that now lifelines continues. the. the south sudan is on a countdown to ending guinea with a disease which causes excruciating pain as a metre long one emerges from an affected person. but a war and a population constantly on the move threaten to wipe out recent gains. but is a way of feeling is not an option is because it can be. takes the whole effort down to a square one. and is like climbing up
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a very steep hill and just at that point if you slip. you come down running to the bottom and crashing down to the bottom dock just not what anyone in this program wanted to see happening at this moment in the whole world we have one hundred twenty places and we know every person on earth that now has a guinea worm i don't want to die and if you're going to believe i'm going at the height of the program in two thousand and nine it took a network of twenty six thousand technical advisors and volunteers to monitor every case in everything agent cattle camp across south sudan. tara brunt helps mccoy maintain and on me a fun in tears you're all one big team so even though they're from these communities that you're working in with them they are there for the same reason that you're there and you're all feeling the same pressure because you're trying to eradicate this disease. it's
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a good how are you. currently a marriage and cordon it or supervising other technical advisers so i'm there to help make sure things are going well in their areas and in the town that i work. we have come with supplies so we work with here today to go see some households with cases. for people who work voluntary. it has to be someone that the community trust someone that they know would do a good job. but i think a lot of applicants apply not realizing the amount of work that is actually involved so this year this is a copy of the contract. the volunteers are not receiving a salary they're just working for the benefit of the community. we know it does we don't just go and do a lot on his first year and one two years whelps ourselves fully interrupted
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transmission on villagers we always try to missions we keep them stand ok this this we will fill with we try to build up the t. was so that no matter where they go that they still are asking questions trying to see if people know anyone with guinea worm and if they see someone limping immediately we'll ask that person then why are you limping do you have any swelling so you're constantly asking these questions so that you don't miss this something happening. a vigilant fun intel has spotted limping into marco's from a cattle camp and brought him to the containment center. no call no crying is reluctant to stay here even though one is emerging from his forte. he answers evasiveness when asked about the rivers and pond he has crossed on his journey.
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where oh i'm already. here i know i'm with out on that i'm going to. go would mean. i don't go on. a lot it wasn't a bit of. very wanted to because this is the first case from a village where we least expect cases to appear. secondly the case was not detected before their warming much. got on when a weary. when you were really a month ago or. a man a guy named. you matter you got me you made and i. want to.
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when i got out i. want to be i don't know we want to. be a no com insists he must leave the camp to buy a goat to make a sacrifice but if he contaminated water source he will put others in danger. his family are said to live in a village near where he was found mccoy needs to talk to them. we ordered because he has not been very cooperative to provide drugs information and we fear that he might contaminate the water source and that's why we need real down the investigation here that would enable us to make an informed guess where he probably got infected ok. sure. a lot of what the team does is detection work and i believe the last few areas
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where we're having a problem is due to the mobility of the people because you may find someone with guinea worm today and overnight he has left to go to a cattle camp. what is the connection between. the two this is the god of love. and the pharmacy and now you know what to give to these two ladies why moderate by people these feelings and. below will get it. sometimes you really need to get the information from different people to see the gaps and try to determine what makes sense. to me no not even. after hours of discussion it tends to the women are not from the comms family at all in fact they don't even know who he is. so it's back to square one for the team but mccoy betrays no sign of frustration. one thing that i could have
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a direct influence on my life. is that i realised that working with this community. i didn't have a reason to complain we're going to have nothing. and so it just really helped me to be able to be content that we deliver that house because. many many out there who doesn't have any. guinea worm is a disease of poverty that keeps people in poverty. more than fifty percent of the cases are men female and in these communities here women are really did great we are. they turned their gardens all there and if any one of them began to mobilize you know this is going to lose that. short of the cultivation season and that would have surety like in the summer.
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and then maybe the other thing that i need to know is whether according to him would rain starts early this year or last year in stocks much mccoy now has to identify every single pond where people with guinea when this year may have drunk contaminated water the year before it seems an impossible task but technical advisor james number has been painstakingly recording crucial data over the course of the well with the one that i'm now where looking at again it seems like these villages here somehow have connection with that location where we had the object last year between march and that'll be when he's the only way to find out is to start walking. down on long island living.
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so what the other people had going on last against funding the reality of what. sort it is or what is all that they're using so i'd listen we know. it and. the people from. form various forms are using this cream the kiss is intended tall order stricter to do people who are far more understanding or can know when to determine. what the sauces that might be used on the plate and write those coming from the other side when every detail in the landscape can be read as a narrative. if what are the next in this depression may not have people use it because it is along a path but this one is right and i want to bounce his understanding is these want to lose strictly used those were coming up going on by piecing together local information tries to home in on every possible contamination point.
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what was just i want to be able to know. when you are. so when you drink it's filled with water so if this one feels so do you sometimes drink from it is no wasn't going to leave is nearby were done before but we did this depressions can be a real problem so it's good that you are picking up the possible sources of what transmission especially when deafened up with water so you are doing a very good job because at liz you are making sure that you don't limit your surveillance activities only divinity levels. but. it's not just last year spawns that are a problem it's the location of the recent contaminations that must be edge into the identify. when we're able to detect where the
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patient was when there were merged and then we go to that area and make sure everyone has their filters in that case the patient has entered the water with daniel and because we don't want any surprises. for you. you know. one. because this. this. she had her comical filter. so it's good that she's been using it but there's a really large hole in that so basically all of the water in here could be contaminated so i've asked surtees this filter which is which is good. so she could just take this water and here she doesn't have to touch more from the well. we try to emphasize every time before they use their filter to hold it up to the
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sun and check for holes but this hole is really big and any time we find filters with holes we destroy them and we don't we don't give them back. and so. yeah. but i don't know you know. i don't know what i look. at all you have to do is change human behavior now that doesn't make it easy but it makes it definable and then it's just a matter of creating the will and finding the right culturally sensitive ways to encourage people to change behavior about filtering water about what to do if you have the symptoms for example not go into the water and to bring a lot of peer pressure really to bear because it because as we know peer pressure can be a powerful thing and using peer pressure is really community pressure. ok
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but. you know. move away. one of them. is not far enough ok. it's been calculated that since one thousand nine hundred eighty six the year the guinea worm eradication program began eighty million cases have been affected. you get a situation where you find small kids going up the goats and then you see that guy wearing a five feet there. this is. it actually gives you a confirmation even at a point when you're exhausted on your first sea and it gives you satisfaction over the sacrifice that people have made.
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when you have. frequent i think that oh we used to be so many people thinking now he's not going to. assure the peace and. we are seeing change happening. people. you know we're all mobilized and we think it's good to prevent those who could do. it. you know. any time they're. around the knuckles or fingers. hurt and take longer to come not that kind of thing . so when i get really really.
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and we try to engage in different people to interact with that young man so that that is where i want to compare the information that i'm getting from different people. he's very strange in fighting formation. and then you leave so you know we did feeling that probably you're not getting the whole. if you can use this stream to cool his burning blister the worm would have released its larvae into the water but only become infectious once they have been eaten by the water these. this is a curator streams. it is a race against time in the sense that we need to be able to gather as much information as possible for us to determine if this person with a sauce way that what a sauce because days in that window of one week in neutralize any damage as
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a result of what i'm going to want to sell since by the streams. people have to cross over this tree and the risk is very hard there's a risk exposes the whole because b. is no way they will access their guidance i list the cross for this tree. first thing that we are doing about is to make sure that we detect all the cases that would require support from the community the second thing we do is make sure that is what a source is treated only every twenty eight days is treated with the added. bait makes another break in the cycle of the disease it's a chemical which kills the water flea host of the dinner but leave the water safe to people and animals to drink.
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we toured with us forces there were using the last year yeah. in the simplest situation these groups can do a lot of things to help themselves if they're given the opportunity to know what needs to be done and how the country yeah. you know. in the containment. dome has finally come around to accepting treatment and to acknowledge how he came to be infected and i got overwhelmed and i gave a very good thing i would have done about. mike i don't know about. or you go but i did yoga not going to lead it yet again the you.
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know and i you know you don't we don't we're going to need gene and i mean well i'm going to do and i will. many times when we had patients who are stubborn and maybe they don't want to be bandaged maybe they head for a must or a week or two obviously we have to work with them even more closely because these are the most dangerous and typically it's those who are the most stubborn and that at the end of it a lot of times those are the ones who end up being the best advocates for getting our education. the most optimistic person if we are able to detect those last cases and put in place a nursery going to measure with on all the celebrity for over twenty fourteen. but it is not just remarkable how many people are affected listeria or what target
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or choose we believe that these are unnecessary burden because it is remarkable life and death people are suffering. so am. i know what. it's a class. magic a magic i don't. know. where. it took us. so he was bandaged when we were here and saturday. went when was he last bandage. yesterday ok but not yet today.
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you kind of have to make this wall so that you're not always affected by it in motion but there are patients that you do come across that are suffering so bad that you can't help but to really hurt with them to really feel bad for them if you want to. and those are times that the job is most rewarding because you know this is what you're here for you're here to help stop this from happening to these communities. maybe nine years old i know i'm still in good health but we're down two hundred tortoises cases and so i think i can see now. the hope there will be.
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much better conditions across much of the area but cooler we're going to be seeing nobody here at nineteen degrees sydney a twenty one but once we start to get those northerly winds then things are going to be warming up quite significantly so from nineteen to twenty six for melbourne sydney at twenty six as well and bridgeman a nice day for you at twenty five degrees well not so nice for new zealand we're going to seeing quite a bit of rain and clouds across much of that area you can see that here on the satellite so as we take a look what's going to happen here on monday auckland rain and winds few at sixty in christchurch fifty tuesday and forty doesn't look too much different actually if anything winds are coming out of the south of christchurch and we do expect to see a temperature there of about twelve across parts of japan though it is going to be rainy for most locations here especially up towards the central in the northern areas where sapporo is going to be a chilly thirteen degrees even across into areas of a maritime russia we are going to be seeing some snow there for a lot of us it is only going to get up to about six degrees there as we go towards monday and then on tuesday we're going to be seeing some cooler but brighter skies
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next sixty minutes reports the saudi consul station chief visited this far east outside istanbul before jamal khashoggi murder it's in an area already of interest to investigators. a party atmosphere in brazil as voting winds down in what has been a deeply divided election campaign. the suspect in the shooting at a pittsburgh synagogue is revealed to have held strong anti semitic views. as president stands by his decision to fire prime minister randall that on the singer as the country's constitutional crisis deepens. somebody to say with all your sports last two minutes here is how islam has claimed he's for formula one world championship title at the mexican grown pretty. a ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. ha.
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so we begin with new developments in the case of murdered saudi journalist jamal khashoggi turkish police have revealed the saudi consul station chief in istanbul went to a forest north of the city just a day before he was murdered it's an area where investigators have been searching for the journalists missing body saudi arabia's public prosecutor has also arrived in istanbul to discuss the killing of or she's want the eighteen suspects to be extradited but saudi arabia insists they will be tried inside the kingdom charles strafford is outside the saudi consulate in istanbul saudi prosecutor is now in the country what are his plans for his time then. well we understand yes that he's he's now arrived interesting lee arriving on what's believed to be one of the same one of the planes that that group of fifteen came in on the day that crucial she was killed and left the same day we understand that certainly tomorrow he's going to be meeting his turkish counterpart is going
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to be a lot of emphasis from the turks wanting to know as much as they can with respect to the kind of interviews to the kind of all says that have been given by these eighteen main that were arrested in saudi arabia that one can only presume the saudi prosecution have been interrogating certainly there was a lot of pressure from president early last week who suggested that maybe fairly clear that he believes that at least somebody amongst these eighteen men must know where she's body is we also understand is going to be a lot of emphasis a lot of focus on this so-called collaborate so this is what the saudi arabians describe this person is being somebody who they say it's believed these turkish and who may have handled the body because a lot of skepticism here amongst a zoo officials even. if they smash in all this person actually exists odo on
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has been ratcheting up the pressure in the last few days and he has paid notes to a veiled threat basically saying that you know the turks have a lot more evidence and that they will release the seven so the time that they see fit is going to be very interesting to see whether in fact the turkish government will use this opportunity of having the saudi prosecutor here to do exactly that there is a lot of pressure on the saudis and there's been a lot of accusations made by the turkish government that saudi side are not cooperating enough in this investigation and the second development relates to the saudi consul chief just explain to us the role that his day to day role if you like within the consulate and why his movements try it. are important. well this man ahmed. zanies described as the station chief station
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chiefs of consulates and embassies are usually people within a fairly high circles of the intelligence community of their respective countries we don't know exactly he's role here but what's so interesting is as we heard mr president i heard one say last week that that was so turkish police say a team of consulate workers who was seen in the belgrade forest area the day before he disappeared the implication being that this team may have been scouting for a suitable place to hide evidence even a body. we understand according to turkish police that mr any was part of that group. as i say we can expect there's going to be quite a lot of focus on this from the should discourage the turkish prosecutors wanting more says about this man from the saudi counterparts we understand that he was not
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a member or he's not one of the members of the fifteen that way here. whether in fact he was member or one of the other three that have been arrested in saudi arabia that remains to be seen but it's understood that he's casey's completely different but we also know as ripples in. turkish media last week was that apparently zany was here in turkey but left to riyadh on the twenty ninth of september and returned on the first day that certainly the sources are saying that he was seen there in the belgrade forest area it's just another example i think of just how that have been playing these crises when they feel as if the investigation isn't moving fast enough or they're trying to put a little bit more pressure on the saudis they they leak these this kind of evidence and as i say it could be very interesting to see certainly in the next twenty four
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hours or so with the saudi prosecutor here in key whether we're going to get more evidence revealed from government sources. all right thank you very much charles stratford in istanbul let's now speak to arsalan iftikhar a human rights lawyer and the senior editor of islamic monthly joins us now from chicago via skype first of all what do you read into the presence of the saudi prosecutor who has just arrived in istanbul. well minimum i'm not surprised i think moving forward to get as a lawyer in this area just occasion is to concept of accountability and transparency you know and spirits who obviously is going to be in the legal proceedings will be in or eat in. this is that accountability is you know where do the orders and again that there needs to be an ability and transparency sure that not only the people who killed him are held to account but those that were responsible in terms and. are held to account as well so again the first step i
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think it's way too early in the process to be able to you know you know declare this any sort of legal victory but it will be interesting to see where it goes. you are right it is difficult to establish precisely what is happening in turkey but i think because of that one thing that is k. right now is that you don't have transparency because it's very difficult there is evidence that it's in that is in possession of the tax that hasn't been turned over we there are concerns about how much the saudis are cooperating with the investigation and on your point about accountability well the saudis have made it perfectly clear that they will absolutely not extradite any of the suspects and they plan to try them in the kingdom if there is a trial a toll. yeah absolutely and that's why i think it's really important for international organizations particularly injured or even though larry had was recently kidnapped by his chinese authorities the united nations they have
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you know some sort of a watchdog legal watch talking about their you know not only make sure that you know obviously due process is being followed but again that there is accountability i mean there's going to be no shortage of you know low level henchmen they're going to be thrown under the bus you know by the saudis and it's really important to see how high up in the chain of and they actually do prosecute somebody whether it's adamant against or it goes all the way up to m.p.'s or somebody in israel or. how important is it that they they find the body of jamal khashoggi or at least what remains because that is of course the key piece of evidence here you know i don't mean to sound callous but it's pretty immaterial at this point the saudi saudis have already acknowledged. that this is where they're looking for you know d.n.a. evidence like o.c.s. site shows of the cars was murdered they knowledge that now obviously is going to
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be in terms of who's going to a secluded is it only going to be the people you know holding the phone saws or in the room where is he going to actually be. who are you know the command responsible people the people who actually ordered it and i think it's legal focus should remain thank you very much appreciate your thoughts on the story arsalan iftikhar human rights lawyer and senior editor of sonic monthly joining us from chicago. our all taking you to our other top story this hour voting is coming to an end in one of brazil's most polarized presidential elections in decades anger over corruption and crime is expected to carry far right candidate jaya polson r.-o. to the presidency a former army captain has been leading the polls for the runoff a victory would mean a dramatic swing to the right for latin america's biggest nation his leftist rival fernando had died from the workers' party has managed to reduce some of his lead but has failed to tap into the popularity of his ex boss former president lula da
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silva with trays of virgin's us from rio de janeiro interest how would you describe the mood the atmosphere there on the day of this runoff vote. well over here right outside united was when i don't have hard moments you can see right behind me there's already hundreds of people waiting for the first results to start coming out there wearing brazil's t. shirts brazilian flags they're singing the national lamb found they're singing about the war first party is never coming back to brazil and something that's been quite unique to this day is that every time that the military police passes by a heavily armed they're cheering not i we're talking about a military police that mean seriously question for human rights abuses in the past so people here are chanting and singing and showing their support told words that the most thing that the counting process has already started in states like
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religion made also pollo and others thought we would see them the day michele resold until the voting finishes in the state of ocular that's close to the border with bolivia and the polling stations will close in about forty five minutes from now but we are starting to see some of the exit polls that should tell us about. the race for the governorship in several states and in those states where the candidates for the governorship allied themselves with votes or not they're winning for many this is a preview of what could happen with the presidential race now for now though her dad is saying that if jarboe scenario is elected that it would be a blow to democracy and brazil what izzy mean by that. and it's not only for the man though about it but it's basically what almost everyone that has voted against me tell you also not always saying because well so
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