is that far enough. it's been calculated that since one thousand nine hundred six the year the guinea worm eradication program began eighty million cases and been affected. you get a situation where you find small kids going up to goats and then you see that they are wearing a i feel that. this is very powerful if you actually gives you a consolation even at a point when you're exhausted and you're thirsty and it gives you satisfaction of the sacrifices that people have made. when you have. recall i think that oh we used to be so many people thinking now

he's not going to run. it is a sure thing it's the pace of. we are seeing change happen. people. you know we know. it's so deeply grim for those who did. it. you know. any time there. are around the knuckles or fingers they always seem to hurt and take longer to come not that kind of thing. so when i get really really. done i want to break. my. head and it broke it broke.

if it stops pulling you have to stop and wait the next day because this is when they break. because the part the break. so we have to make sure every day we clean and keep the intent on it so that it doesn't become infected. and we try to engage in different people to interact with that young man so that that is where i want to compare the information that i'm getting from different

people. he's very strange in fighting formation. and then you leave so you we did feeling that probably you're not getting the whole scripts. if you can use this stream to cool his burning blister the worm would have released its larvae into the water but only become infectious once they have been eaten by the water these. this is accurate history. it is a race against time in the sense that we need to be able to gather as much information as possible to determine if this person with a sauce way that what a sauce because days in that window of one week in neutralize any damage as a result of what i'm going to want to sell since by the streams. people have to cross over this tree and the risk is very hard and the risk exposes the whole

community because there is no way they would access their guidance on lest the cross were destroyed. the first thing that we're doing about is to make sure that we detect all the cases that we would require support from the community the second thing we do is make sure that is what a source is treated only every twenty eight days is treated with the added. bait makes another break in the cycle of the disease it's a chemical which kills the water flea host at the dinner but leaves the water safe for people and animals to drink.

which were door to sources they were using that were last year yeah. in the simplest situation these going to do a lot of things to help themselves if they're given the opportunity to know what needs to be done and how the country. again. in the containment. dome has finally come around to accepting treatment and to acknowledge how he came to be infected i don't know about whether i gave a very good thing i would have done a bug. or year ago but i did yoga not going to lead it yet again the yeah. you knew you don't we don't we're going to need gene and i mean well i'm going to

do and i will. many times when we had patients who are stubborn and maybe they don't want to be bandaged maybe they head for a must for a week or two obviously we have to work with them even more closely because these are the most dangerous and typically it's those who are the most stubborn and that at the end of it a lot of times those are the ones who end up being the best advocates for getting our education. the most optimistic person if we are able to detect those last cases and put in place a nursery going to measure those we've done all the celebrity for over twenty fourteen. but it is not just remarkable how many people are affected district or what target are cheap we believe that these are a mystery bird and of course it is remarkable life and people are suffering. so i

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can't help but to really hurt with them to really feel bad for them or you want to do. and those are times that the job is most rewarding because you know this is what you're here for you're here to help stop this from happening to these communities was. made in nine years old no i'm still in good health but we're down two hundred tortoises cases and so i think i can see now. the hope there will be. bit of guinea worm during my lifetime.

it's day sixteen of no colors treatment every day twice a day she knows the ordeal she must face. to move. some hardly you have to continue to hold so that can give us the energy every morning and read up on tried doing when to no pushing on the farm those of us cases. i cannot wait to think about that day. the day that there will be no kisses and saucer and the end. to eat. eat and eat the beat. to. eat.

in many countries pregnancy and childbirth a still extremely dangerous for mothers and babies most of the mother dying from the infection three being they were dying from high preparation algis eva travels to malawi and looks at how google communities a challenge and traditions in order to reduce child mortality and improve maternal health they say life is too strong life lines between life and death on al-jazeera. hello again it's good have you back well this hour do want to take you up here towards levant we are looking at better conditions out here towards the eastern part of the met you can see some showers entering into istanbul but really for many

locations we are looking at fine dry conditions and that is going to stay that way as we go towards wednesday aleppo twenty five jerusalem at twenty two and baghdad really not looking too bad at twenty nine degrees there mostly activities are going to be up here towards the higher elevations where tashkent ten degrees for you down towards kabul it is going to be sixteen in the higher elevations we do expect to see some snow in your forecast here across much of the gulf well but better conditions where we do we had some rain last week some days were quite heavy the potential of rain coming back where you see those clouds we could see a shower or two in the forecast so doha here on wednesday maybe thirty degrees over towards me at thirty as well and then as we go towards wednesday a lot of heavy rain could be a problem out here towards the west where we could be seeing medina at about twenty six degrees and mecca at thirty three degrees and clouds in your forecast as well and then very quickly towards the southern part of africa well rain in the forecast for durban your temperatures are really coming down you are in the high twenty's

earlier but we do expect to see a rainy day with a temperature of about seventeen. i already felt liberated as a journalist was. getting to the truth as it always does with his job. thirty days from now we want to see everybody around the peace table. time to talk to us pushes yemen's warring sides to stop fighting and find a solution. there are live from doha also coming up un rights chief calls for international experts

to help investigate what she describes as the shockingly brings in killing of sounding journalist jamal khashoggi. pakistan's top court acquits a christian woman who was sentenced to death on charges of blasphemy. and how does a country measure happiness when the mountain kingdom for tom to find out. it's time to replace the combat with compromise that's the message from the u.s. defense secretary to everyone involved in yemen's war james mattis says he wants them the as he put it peace table within a month he builds on pressure from others in the trunk administration who want the conflict to end as was enjoyed reports from washington d.c. . since yemen cratered into civil war in two thousand and fourteen for the damage and the carnage have been relentless. an estimated fifty six thousand civilians

have died either because of widespread food shortages disease or airstrikes carried out by the saudi led coalition in support of president monsoor hog now a call to end the war from u.s. defense secretary jim mattis whose forces provide intelligence and equipment support to the saudi coalition our goal right now is to achieve. a level of. capability by those forces fighting against them that they are not killing innocent people. the longer term solution and by longer term i mean thirty days from now we want to see everybody around a peace table based on ashish fire based on a pull back from the border and then based on chief sheen dropping of bombs that will permit the special envoy martin griffin to very good he knows what he's doing

to get them together inch weeden and this war that is the only way we're going to really solve this. thing improved accuracy of bombs is still a war show we've got to move toward a peace effort here and we can't say we're going to do it sometime in the future we need to be doing this in the next thirty days we've admired this problem for long enough there and i believe that the saudis and the emirates are ready and in fact at the hoodoos not walked out of the last effort that martin griffin had going we would probably be on our way there right now but the trumpet ministration has been criticized for not keeping the saudi led coalition from bombing yemen civilians it has blamed rebels who things are using civilians as human shields and that is told in washington on hands he doesn't want to the saudis how to target who confided more effectively we've got to replace combat with compromised and we are working as

we speak with mr martin griffith the u.n. special envoy i've met with him my shellshock a pompei i was talking to him frequently as we try to amass the international support we just met. in the nama in the nama dialogues and this was brought up forcefully not just by myself but by others as well that it's time to stop this madness is call for peace talks was backed up later on tuesday by the secretary of state my comp a.o. he said both the who these and the saudis must stop their attacks and start peace talks under u.n. auspices in november. the u.s. says it wants to see lives in yemen a point which the french defense minister floors probably underscored earlier on tuesday to increase many there to humanitarian crisis like we've never seen before because of this what's important is that this war ends its time it is time now that

this war ends and it's also important and it's the priority for france that the humanitarian situation improves and that aid is allowed through because it's an outrageous situation. the next step could be the hardest convincing both sides in the yemen civil war there is a cost for not making peace rosalyn jordan al-jazeera washington. what about the same event about as also addressed the murder of jamal khashoggi the saudi journalist was killed inside the kingdom's consulate in istanbul on the second of october. the president said we want to get to the bottom we will get to the bottom of it and as you know churchill. show far provided evidence for every occasion made about what happened and show no one nation control all the information and i spoke to the foreign minister shaadi arabia today should go in. and he said there would be

a full investigation. she's outside the city codes that. because she was killed the saudi prosecutor was in istanbul on tuesday is there any breakthrough there and cooperation between the two sides. well turkey increasingly frustrated because of the lack of cooperation from saudi arabia you mentioned top prosecutor from saudi arabia he held that meetings over the past two days with the chief prosecutor in istanbul the man who is leading this investigation into the murder what we understand from our sources inside the prosecutor's office is that the meetings were not truthful saudi arabia not answering the questions that turkey has been asking the most important one where is the body or the body parts of. what we understand from our sources is that they feel that saudi arabia came to istanbul to try to find out the what evidence turkey

has and that their intention really was not to cooperate in this murder investigation turkey demanding the testimonies of the eighteen suspects who were detained in saudi arabia during their first meeting saudi arabia refused to present those testimonies on tuesday they actually presented them but we understand from the prosecutor's office they did not add anything to the investigation and we have heard president order gone release say that there are games being played in his words to try to cover up or to save someone to protect someone he stopped short of naming that person but a columnist in the pro-government. media who is very close to the turkish president named that person he said that the saudi prosecutor come to istanbul to save crown prince the saudi crown prince or the de facto ruler of saudi arabia muhammad bin said in many. cases they don't what's next now for the turkish investigation into this case. well we've we heard the turkish president say we have more evidence and we will release this evidence at the right

time is it the right time we know that those leaks these intelligence leaks to the media have put saudi arabia into the corner and push them into a corner and push them to admit that she was actually killed inside that consulate after repeatedly saying that he left the consulate what is next well we have to wait for the u.s. administration what is their next move because turkey is also waiting for the united states to act at the end of the day turkey wants to avoid a direct confrontation with that has been very very careful treading carefully trying for this relationship which was cordial even before this crisis began not to erupt or to rupture of relations so turkey you know treading carefully we have to wait what the u.s. administration's going to do we do know that the cia director when she was here last week in turkey what we understand from both the turkish and american media she heard that audio recording that much talked about audio recording of the final moments of jamal khashoggi will turkey released excerpts of that recording to put

even more pressure on saudi arabia what turkey is that manning is where is the body and other questions as well like who is this local collaborator and who gave the order so saudi arabia not cooperating for the time being ok for the moment thanks very much for the update from istanbul. a military helicopter has crashed in afghanistan's western far province in the district at least twenty five people were on board including a provincial council. spokesman says there are no survivors the crash is being blamed on bad weather. six people have been killed by a suicide bomber in kabul in the afghanistan's largest prison or attacks in other parts of the country over the past two weeks during elections that the taliban to disrupt. the u.s.

presence has paid tribute to the eleven people killed in a shooting attack on a synagogue and pittsburgh visited the scene as the first funerals were held for victims targeted by a right wing extremist on saturday protests against the visit with calls for trump to denounce white nationalism. reports the u.s. president and first lady were joined by donald trump's daughter and son in law who are jewish to see the scene of what's been called the worst anti semitic attack in u.s. history made no comment to the media as he visited the tree of life synagogue where the eleven congregants were killed consumed by both anti semitism and the hatred of immigrants but far away demonstrations were organized both in memory of the slain but also in opposition to the presidential visit. on monday a local jewish group had written an open letter warning that the president would not be welcome in pittsburgh until he denounced the extremism espoused by the government by tuesday tens of thousands of his part of the problem is part of the

solution he hasn't denounced white nationalism he hasn't treated any group that is unlike him with respect he's mistreated immigrants refugees muslims l.g.b. t.q. community women people with disabilities the list goes on and on people of color. and in the mall pittsburgh had asked the president every visit until the dead were buried the funerals began on tuesday and will continue until the end of the week local leaders were in agreement between the mayor and all of us were just trying to cope with the the the the families of the community right now destroyed not time for you know any outside thing to happen but not only did the president visit he's intensified is the turks of migrants a crucial part of his strategy to encourage his right wing base to go to the polls next week for the mid-term elections. pittsburgh. pakistan's top court has acquitted

a christian woman who was sentenced to death for blasphemy. for was sentenced in two thousand and ten after being convicted of insulting islam as prophet muhammad the charges dated back to the year before when b.b. went to get water for her and her fellow farm workers to refuse to drink from a containing a used by a christian a few days later locals began accusing her of blasphemy well the mere rumor of blasphemy can ignite violence in pakistan where allegations of the crime have become a rallying cry for ultra conservative muslim groups accusations have resulted in lynchings and extradition throughout the country at least seventy four people have been killed in violence related to blasphemy since one thousand nine hundred ninety in two thousand and ten a vocal opponent of the blasphemy law punjab's then governor there was killed by his own bodyguard after calling for babies release later pakistan's sole christian minister. shot dead after pushing for reform and this past year a court sentenced

a man to death for murdering a student who was falsely accused of blasphemy mashal khan was dragged out of his university accommodation and beaten before being shot and his body natives. let's speak now as a human rights activist to her abdullah who's live for us in islamabad first of all i'm sure you welcome this ruling are you surprised that it went this way not surprised very very happy surprise doesn't enter into human rights defenders work we either get sad happy or outraged at the violations of human rights and i think this is going to be a landmark judgment. touchstone judgment something that's going to remain on the on the log ox it's going to be quoted as case law as precedence for all of the cases to come and i would like to commend the brave judges the honorable chief justice of

pakistan and his dog brother judges who were brave enough to enter this judgment keeping in mind the threats that they have personally been receiving and all of us who have been supporting us yet we over the past eight years have the seed threats and fatwas which is edicts to kill must be killed. and people have been killed you yourself mentioned the governor of punjab i would also like to mention here the former minister headroom minister for minorities clement chavez but de i would like to pay tribute to advocate russia their man and so many others who have been killed for their college their convictions to stand up for false allegations of the blasphemy go victims of the blasphemy law given that it is a malicious jungle of from zero to every little. issue what do you think the reactions going to be from the more hard line elements within pakistan.

based on past record and our history the reaction is going to be huge figure osha's violent and. based on a lot of emotional appeal to masses who don't for example read the koran with its translation into our national language is nowhere in the koran does it say that there should be death for committing blasphemy so while i see a b.b. has been under be acquitted she did not commit god for me i'm saying even if someone did and other person a totally different unrelated case even if they had been blasphemy committed the koran does not enjoined death for blasphemy and the prophet himself peace be upon him is famous that is a famous and ok that a woman used to call garbage on him every day which is blasphemy because this is respect and he never and he never punished her given that so many people in pakistan do feel differently is it safe for asia bibi now to live in pakistan and

indeed those judges who acquitted her ok ok ok ok excellent question all of us who are human rights defenders and stand up for for the rule of law and the rights of minorities and pluralism men and nonsectarian ism and anti ocracy in pakistan we have been extremely rugged about our life for her life and as if the end of protection and that of her family and that of her lawyers and that of her supporters and human rights defenders and now for the lives of the three under bill does is of the supreme court we call upon the government of pakistan because of all state institutions to ensure the life and safety and protection of our c.r.b. be immediate family her friends her supporters her lawyers and the entire christian community of pakistan came to her great to speak to you thanks very much take the time to join us from islamabad. indonesian search crews think they've found the

fuselage of the passenger jet that plunged into the ocean on monday killing all one hundred eighty nine people on board the navy says twenty two objects has been detected in waters around thirty meters deep and divers are being sent down to confirm it is the plane main aim is to find the cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder or black boxes as they're known and help explain why the lion air jet went down shortly after taking off from jakarta. but. we're not focusing on that particular location to make sure that what we suspected under the water is part of the plane and together with the head of the search and rescue agency and the commander of the first fleet we're going to see the location for ourselves and hopefully it's the main body of the plane that we've been looking for. joins us live from the jakarta seaport where the wreckage and debris from the plane being brought. breakthrough went in search efforts if indeed they have found

the fuselage. but it would be but the authorities are being very careful in saying that the think that it might be the fuselage of the still sending divers we heard a few minutes ago the ministry saying that they're sending more than one hundred divers in various locations to try and look for the fuselage of a distant not sure if this is it or it's just another object that they found in the ground they did hear a ping which the suspect was from the black box with they still haven't found yet and they're sending sonar equipment in that area as well but to just to give you an idea it's one hundred twenty four thousand nautical miles that they're trying to comb through both with the help of helicopters and forty boards in that area which are looking for this line here jet six hundred ten let me just come out of the truck and to give you an idea of what they've been finding you can see personal

belongings a backpack. shoes and various objects have been found. supposedly from the one hundred eighty nine people who were on board this flight which crashed just twelve minutes after it took off this is going to be a painstaking process for these people to collect this evidence that we've been hearing from investigators on shore that the body bags that have been coming in have now amounted to more than two dozen they're beginning. of these victims that could take between four to eight days but it is going to be a long process before we actually find out what actually happened absolutely do we know anything further in the investigation into what caused the crash we hearing anything from. what we did hear from yesterday when they confirm that this particular plane did develop on its previous flight when it landed. there were some instrumentation issues that were with the

plane but they had rectified them and it was fine before it took off from jakarta but then it crashed just minutes into the flight technical director of line has been fired this is an airline which controls much of the domestic business in indonesia also been hearing from the transport authority that all seven three seven max have been told to undergo an additional review and figure out if there are any problems with that particular type of aircraft but this is a very new aircraft received just two weeks before it crashed so this is an ongoing investigation we're hearing that all elements of technical as well as human error are being looked into but it will take some time before they find out what happened . some are just saying seeing live pictures coming through. what we think may be. sifting through some of the belongings that have been recovered from the crash from. i mean that's

a terrible time for relatives waiting to any of their loved ones who were on that plane. absolutely it is it is very very difficult for these hundred eighty nine families if you can see some of them are coming in and it is it really is it is very emotional for them to go through this look through not just the backpacks and those person objects which were left which have been found by these teams but also it is it is an emotional. process for for these rescuers as well who have been collecting these small shoes objects which are belong to babies perhaps who were on board this flight so it is a very emotional process for all of the people who are involved in this and then it goes to show about the the history of airline safety here in this country as well which has been brought into question multiple times questions have been raised

about the aircraft carrier. which have been conducting these low budget flights where whether they have been cutting corners and all sorts of questions are being asked on indonesian media right now but it is an emotional process for many of these victims many of these families who have been this is probably one of the very first times that they have come to go and sift through the debris that has been found so far but they've been waiting anxiously not just at terminals but they're at their homes and making those frantic phone calls to figure out whether anything has been found but as doctors have been telling us this d.n.a. identification process is going to take days and they haven't even found a single body just body parts something joining us there from jakarta a very sad scene indeed thanks very much for joining us. now there were reports that the saudi king's younger brother ben has returned to the bin abdulaziz

as reported to have. traveled to the kingdom after having received security assurances from the u.s. and u.k. officials he's been living outside the kingdom for the past six years last november . launched a purge of dissident royals but he did not go directly after the surviving sons of king abdul aziz the founder of the more than saudis state and the father of king solomon that's a story we're going to keep an eye on for you. north korea is preparing to show one of its nuclear test sites to international inspectors south korea's government says its spy agency has been one trend progress at the test site and appears it's being prepared for an outside team to come in north korea demolished much of the sites in may after it committed to getting rid of its nuclear arsenal. russia plans to test missiles of norway this week in an area where nato is carrying out its biggest military exercises since the cold war when fifty thousand military personnel from

thirty one nations are taking part in the nato war games the two week show of strength is intended to project western readiness to deter russian aggression moscow has called the action provocative topless imports from china set in norway. familiar weapons were on display a mock beach assault laid on for the press but as the media day for nato has biggest war games in decades got under way secretary-general stole bags attention was focused on the possible collapse of the intermediate nuclear forces treaty no treaty can be effective if it's only respected by one pot and therefore we called on russia to ensure that there aren't full transparent full and transparent compliance with the un is treated because we don't want to nuances the treaty was a confidence building measure signed by the united states and the then soviet union designed to make it harder for one side to launch a surprise attack on the other now the united states is threatening to you know

actually pull out of the cold war treaty as it accuses the russians of violations something the president denies nato secretary general had a clear message for any potential bursaries nato is ready and nato is able to protect all our allies against the exercises go beyond reassurance fifty thousand troops from thirty one militaries practicing to fight alongside each other brings its own sets of challenges with training helps overcome. every joint operation you should know. very well and that's what this exercise. for me my troops some of the newer members of the alliance who used to train alongside soldiers from the soviet union know practice with their former enemies their mentor and for all the prayers. before for a very very pivotal. because during the. all you have to act together is the various militaries here today pack up and leave what wasn't

on display where the weapons are going to make a decisive impact in any future conflict new war fighting concepts namely cyber warfare the ability to blind and destroy the computer systems of ones of bursaries would be crucial to winning the next war despite that the hardware of war isn't disappearing any time soon these military exercises a key to reassuring nervous alliance members worried about increasing russian military activity alexa topless al-jazeera been a set the way they were as president has intensified his hardline stance on immigration ahead of midterm elections he says he wants to end birthright citizenship made the comment to an american news channel the fourteenth amendment of the us constitution guarantees to ship to virtually all children born in the us regardless of whether their parents are american. can change this through an

executive order. german chancellor angela merkel has urged businesses not to underestimate africa's huge economic potential she was speaking at an investment. attended by several african leaders part of michael's initiative to boost development on the continent hoping it will reduce illegal migration to europe. albritton is the only country in the world to measure the success of the nation not by economic growth but by grace national happiness philosophy has been at the center of all government policy for the past ten years but as the country continues to develop the nation's happiness policy is under strain reports from bhutan. it's a daunting climb to one of the holiest sites in bhutan. tiger's nest monastery seems to defy gravity every putin ease is expected to complete the pilgrimage to ensure peace and happiness when it became a democracy in two thousand and eight b.

town put happiness at the center of all political policy inspiring the un to pass a resolution urging other nations to follow betimes example but how do you measure it. for many brittany's happiness as well when surety that it is quantifiable but ever since it became part of state policy it's been described roughly as good governance the balance between nature and economic growth also between pleasure and work in the capital to who is the world's only secretariat of happiness and a chief official who takes his job very seriously the gene it index is formed based on the an angel mint and school three indicators like education living standard environmental good governance psychological wellbeing the other one is community vitally d.

day news and cultural diversity. this is one way people find happiness in bhutan through traditional pursuits such as the national sport on injury but the nation's happiness policy sometimes misses the. youth unemployment is soaring twenty four year old mom gave tenzin is restless but new opportunities to combine suitable work is a major problem in bhutan right now. as an emblem in the. completion of graduation. invent a good job neighboring india has been generous with financial support but some think it's time to welcome chinese investment to bhutan has no diplomatic links with its northern neighbor. but balancing ties between the its regional rivals will be a challenge it's a risky. the happiness of the nation could depend upon it for me happiness is just

like a just a what i need is a peace and take a good leadership you know country for me have been spending quality time with friends and families and visiting beautiful places and taking pictures so there may not be a magical mystical or even spiritual formula when it comes to finding happiness but by simply turning its pursuit into policy bhutan has done what no other country has . they broke out as they were in the himalayan kingdom of bhutan. is around zero these are our top stories u.s. has issued a call for a cease fire in yemen after years of backing the saudi led coalition defense secretary james mattis says it's time to replace combat with compromise and he

announced that the u.n. special envoy to yemen will hold talks with the saudi coalition and the rebels in sweden in november. well at that same event about his also address the murder of jamal khashoggi saudi journalist was killed inside the kingdom's consulate in istanbul on the second of october the president said we want to get to the bottom we will get to the bottom of it. as you know turkey. show far provided evidence for every allegation that they have made about what happened and show no one nation can create all the information and i spoke to the foreign minister shaadi arabia today should go in. and he said there would be a full investigation there are reports the saudi king's younger brother who had been up glossies has returned to him what some analysts are calling a potential challenge to crown prince mohammed bin cell none of these is reported to travel to the kingdom after receiving security assurances from u.s. and u.k.

officials he's been living outside the kingdom for the past six years last november mohammed bin salam launched a purge of dissident royals but he did not go directly off to the surviving sons of king abdul aziz the founder of the modern saudi state and the father of king solomon. at least twenty five people are dead after a military helicopter crashed in afghanistan's west and far a province a member of the provisional council was on board at the time clashes being blamed on. pakistan's top court has acquitted a christian woman who was sentenced to death for blasphemy. mother of four was sentenced in two thousand and ten after being convicted of insulting the prophet mohammad the charges dated back to the year before when baby went to get water for her and her father farm workers two muslim women refused to drink from a container used by a christian a few days later locals began accusing her of blasphemy as he had lies the news

continues here on al-jazeera off the inside story hate violence revenge and increasingly alienated generation is finding new outlets to vent it sang. in a new series al-jazeera takes an unflinching look at the end of radicalized organizations to young people revealing their inner workings and the often brutal consequences for those drawn into their extreme ideology radicalized youth coming on al-jazeera. a saudi leaders playing a game to protect the level ordered the killing of jamal khashoggi turkey's president thinks so and says the kingdom's investigation last revealed as the u.s. considers its options and the european union faces further calls to ban arms sales well the saudis but this is a story. teller

welcome to the program on iran come on turkey's president is accusing saudi arabia of stalling the investigation into the killing of jamal khashoggi red chip types are the one says the aim is to protect someone is ramping up the pressure and wants to know where the journalist body is. saudi arabia's chief prosecutor metis turkish counterpart for a second time in istanbul after what turkish sources called an un satisfactory first meeting on monday sources say the site is finally handed over the testimonies of eighteen suspects are being held in the kingdom where the suspect should be tried is being argued over turkey is calling for their extradition and the saudis insist they'll be tried at home before we get to our guests let's hear what president of the one had to say. we should we can't leave this case unsolved

revealing who killed is a humanitarian and ethical duty is also a judicial and political duty there's no point in putting illogical obstacles there's no point in stalling in order to save someone the white house says it's continuing to consider its options the president met last week with cia director gina haskell after having gathered additional intelligence on her overseas trip and the administration is weighing different options will make an announcement about what the decision of that action. austria's foreign minister is backing calls for the european union to stop saudi cells karen could also told a german newspaper developed the holts in arms deliveries proposed by chancellor merkel would be a correct signal the horrible war in yemen and the cat's a crisis should be reason enough for european union members to adopt a common stone source saudi arabia if we all the entire european union would stop

arms of the recent saudi arabia this can contribute to ending those conflicts. let's introduce our panel in birmingham scott lucas a professor of international politics at the university of birmingham and a specialist in u.s. relations with the middle east in istanbul via skype andrew finkel a foreign correspondent in istanbul and co-founder of p twenty four an initiative to promote independent journalism a welcome to you all would like to bring in with you andrew if and call in istanbul president or the one they're referring to the protection of someone who is he referring to who's he alluding to that well he he is. clearly turkey has several aims in this in this exercise it's he's they're trying to. see that justice should be done. and of course at the same time they are playing a geostrategic game so they're very giving with the regional

politics and at the same time they really want to see that. justice for this for mr kershaw is done and seen to be done and often these two objectives they're really telling us eyes we'll saying a change of tone and president are the ones rhetoric he seems to be ramping up the rhetoric he began this crisis very diplomatic and then as the leaks came out he took ownership of those leaks and he was very angry towards the saudis in their cooperation is this a measured approach or a sense that he's just simply frustrated and wants to get to the bottom of all of this. well i think you know he as i say he's playing a very serious game here he's you know taking a very large economy the saudi tiger by the challenge trying to shake it he's seems

to be at the other very very sweet thought that he was intent on really causing not so much regime change but but trying to if not actually bring down the crown prince of saudi arabia at least to diminish is authority. dramatically now it could be that he is engaged in a very serious game of bluff that there's high stakes here that we may not even know about negotiations behind the scenes that turkey is trying to extract benefits and privileges from this turn of events or it could be as you say simply his is fed up and wants to see once the saudis bring the culprits the justice let's bring scott in you had what president of the one had to say that he feels that someone is being protected is that some want the crown prince mohammed bin solomon do you think. you've got it in one. it's interesting though that aired on it won't name

the crown prince and he has refused to do so in speeches over the past couple weeks the one person he will name is king solomon he'll talk about the king very respectfully as the guardian of the two holy places in saudi arabia his majesty and at that level i think everyone's game is you know king we like you but you need to do something about your boy now whether that doing something about the crown prince is to remove the crown prince or really to contain him to limit his ambitions that's one question the second is what turkey wants beyond the crown prince is it really just a case of getting justice for her so she is murder or is turkey trying to get leverage against saudi on regional issues for example the saudi led blockade of qatar saudi involvement in other areas such as iraq and syria or even some would say the most ambitious goal of being seen as the leader of the sunni muslim world but all of those things have been discussed over the last few weeks but the turkish

president hasn't made any demoed certainly publicly as of yet has he. well because you don't put all your cards on the table at the start i mean anders absolutely right that this is a very high stakes game and you keep cards in your hand and again you do this at two levels one is that the turks and this is at the root of their disagreement with the saudi prosecutor who's just visited it is they are holding back some of the evidence that they have they're not revealing the exact extent of what they've got that's to keep the saudis guessing and secondly when it comes to your aims you don't immediately play your cards and say we want a b. and c. you watch to see how the other side moves and i think right now we're still at that first stage we're still at that stage i think where accuracy deciding how vulnerable mohammed bin solomon is they're looking at other parts of the world and interestingly enough not just the u.s. not just europe but remember most arab countries have backed the saudis it's not just u.a.e. it's countries like jordan and egypt so if everyone makes

a move in the region he's got to make sure that those countries won't come fully to the defense of the saudis if he isn't deciding on a confrontation and you've been reporting on this story for a while now the saudi prosecutor met his take his counterparts the first meeting certainly the say at least was disappointing the second meeting allowed them to get access to the statements from the eighteen suspects what's the next move what did that what's the next kind of investigative diplomatic move between the saudi state prosecutor and his turkish counterpart do you think. well. on the surface it would look like the next move is found maybe but turkey is very keen on having these eighteen suspects repatriated to turkey where they would stand trial and i think the chances of that happening are very slim so they're clearly you know they're there as part of this evade survivor game or a legal process that we have yet to decide but you know what the next move is there

will be make this very serious the matter and that you know justice be seen to be done and it be seen to be done at the scene of the crime which is this where this murder to. school the case i'm bumming him took he doesn't have a great record on human rights has been criticized by by thomas to international and human rights watch for arrest without charge for cracking down on journalists or cracking down on blog is unsettling in some parts of the u.s. we've heard that there is fair that they will not get a fair trial in either saudi arabia or turkey so this idea that perhaps the trial should take place internationally where do you land on this wendy what do you think do you think there is a potential for an international trial or is this about turkey and saudi arabia and the trial taking place in one of those countries. well first you're right to mention that no one comes into this with clean hands and given that turkey is the largest detainer of journalist per capita and given the purge of many thousands of people from the turkish system teachers students lawyers the military since the

failed coup july two thousand and six taint this case isn't being pursued by president early on in the name of human rights that said the real gap is we have no international legal authority that i think can step in here remember that this murder took place on saudi soil technically because it was within the const the consulate in istanbul and we have no you know the international criminal court enter paul who's had his detained in china coincidentally right now there's no one that can step in so i think the most likely outcome if i was to bet on it right now would be that turkey will not get the eight hundred suspects they will try them instead in absentia in a turkish court that way they can reveal their evidence and if they decide to name the crown prince almost as an unindicted coconspirator they have that option that seems a very dramatic move it will certainly ratchet up tensions between turkey and saudi arabia if they are tried in absentia where does that idea come from is certainly

the first time i've heard. well i think the idea is simply that you have the option of how far you want to go politically and it is politics not the law that runs here which is you can make the argument that because the eighteen moved outside of the consulate for elements of this murder for example of course they had to get from the consulate to the airport to get out of the country because they moved vehicles around that are supposedly tied to the murder you can make the case that they have broken turkish law as i said trying the nose sencha it is an option it is not one which has been often used for defendants from another country but it is just very much of how much air no one himself wants to go in terms of embarrassment at one level and two i think in making demands of the saudis which is a right perhaps we won't take this all the way in terms of trying that it was sent in absentia if for example you give me a b. and c. the question is as we've just discussed what are a b. and c.

going to be. a trial in absentia do you think that could even fly within certain tookie circles will is this just another option on the table. well it's a i suppose it's a part of option of the way the characters' judicial system works it's like a french investigative magisterial and best investigation they could begin a case they can present their their evidence if it's a legal examination as opposed to a trial that begins on a monday and ends on a friday so they could certainly initiate criminal proceedings. and of course a consulate is different from an embassy as far as i know that it's not all of the consular premises have that extra territorial status that embassy would have so we do it would be possible to say that perhaps we don't know in which wound in the consulate this murder is meant to have taken place but it may be possible to claim

that indeed it did take place and there's a school that symbol and you're an expert and u.s. relations with the middle east we have the white house spokesperson there say that the white house is considering its options what all its options. well that depends on what part of the administration you talk to there are some agencies within the u.s. government notably the cia and the state department who are very agitated by the fact that this murder took place at the very least it's an embarrassment given the u.s. has close links with saudi arabia many congressman legislators are agitated some are demanding action but the bottom line still here is that donald trump and perhaps a rare moment of a moment of honesty said from the very start that his priority is that one hundred ten billion dollars of arms sales that was announced last year during his visit to riyadh and in addition to that priority on the arms sales the point man who has

been in contact with the home of insolvent is trump son in law jared questioner and he is saying we don't break any links with the saudis so i think a lot of the congressional pressure really ratchets up and that's not going to happen in the next few weeks before an election or unless there's an unexpected development in this case i think at the end of the day the u.s. maintains its arms sales the crown prince stays and both washington and riyadh hopes that the controversy will go away in a few weeks or a few months time scully because there is a another element to all of this this seems to be a disconnect between some elements of congress on both sides of the aisle and well the trump and rudisha race in the trump white house want there's a little tougher language coming from some parts of congress against the crown prince by how we've been silent and that is coming from the u.s. administration the white house. yes and remember there's a backdrop to this which goes all the way back to nine eleven because fifteen of the nineteen attackers were saudi there have been congressman who have long

agitated for action against the saudis the whole furor over the classified portion of the nine eleven report which is about saudi arabia in recent years there have been some congressman relative few who have been agitated by the saudi led intervention in the yemen civil war and so there have been recurrent calls to hold up arms sales to saudi and indeed a small amount of arms has been put on hold even before the murder but you balance that sentiment in congress with a nother factor and that is that the trepan ministration has put its cards all in for regime change in iran and you cannot pursue regime change in iran which turns especially upon economic measures unless the saudis support you because you need south.