lemond of evidences and we had one element i remember very well it was a bombardment from an american pilot on civilians convoy and the pilots i see see billions and even see the order to bombard and. one hundred twenty civilians killed we all pain and investigation but it was not possible to conduct this investigation in this investigation to the end that the reason why we are not this is what you said in june two thousand there is no basis for opening an investigation into any of the allegations although some mistakes were made by nato i'm very satisfied that there was no deliberate targeting obviously was about you said although some mistakes were made by nato i'm very satisfied that it was not deliberate targeting of civilians no human rights groups don't agree with. i don't know which. you were referring to the war in

general you said during what i'm stating i am color i'm quoting you you said all let me know you were in general i am not speaking about the war in general you were reserve were really known for hours a day you said i'm very satisfied that there was no deliberate targeting of civilians by no two during the bombing campaign but human rights groups disagree with you you disagreed with you six months earlier these agree what to you are saying you are not correct in what you are the fairing that i am speaking about ok let me ask you now that since you disagree with your quote do you believe that nato only made mistakes during its bombing campaign of kosovo and there were no potential war crimes worth investigating what is your position you told me i have one on one investigation i open just one investigation about the responsibility of nato committing crimes but i could not i could not end this investigation and issuing any dire warning because it was not possible to collect. all this they'd use. to cooperate with the tribunal

a. lot easier because it is not the only although in in as are the cases that we did not ended our investigation because it was not able to collect enough to be dangerous to issue an indictment that is the task of the procedure so to be clear that they may have committed war crimes is just you were not able to investigate it fully it's not that they're innocent of war crimes it's that you were prevented from investigating metaphor that's what you're saying exactly ok exactly exactly last question directly do you think it's possible that a president of the united states or a prime minister of the u.k. could ever be brought in front of a war crimes tribunal or is it a pipe dream is that a fantasy tell regularly possible the internation alone possible but in practice even practical it's not possible because that told you international justice is possible only if the political will is in existence but we must fight to

obtain justice for all the victims of the vocal crimes against humanity by the highly responsible political and military responsible for the commission of these crimes but. of course is the ideal situation nice away from from now only now i must see carla del ponte oh thanks for joining me on that front. ok. gaza is imploding and we remain on the brink of another potentially devastating conflict the words of the un special envoy to the middle east this past week has seen even more violent and escalations with rockets fired from gaza into israel and an israeli airstrike killing three palestinian children in gaza since the great not to return protests began earlier this year israeli security forces have killed more than two hundred people in gaza and wounded more than eighteen thousand so is another full scale israeli attack on the strip inevitable joining me to discuss this a double mcentire former jerusalem correspondent for the independent and author of

the book gaza preparing for dawn i'm not a palestinian humanitarian aid worker based in gaza thank you both for joining me up front let me start with you do you believe that another war in gaza is imminent because prime minister benjamin netanyahu claims he's trying to avoid one unfortunately the situation in gaza becoming more and more by that the fear of the people. is always. loud. and there we must say that. almost every room. at risk of of such escalation. disproportionate to the action of the israelis after. but because there's a lot of. discussion that people are not fully or even privately aware of that are in the picture it's just

becoming more and more complicated you can analyze our critic. things don't go yet again plagued by violence things look like they're escalating is this just depressing news out of gaza as we've seen week in week out year in year out for the last few years or is this a tipping point well i think there's not a sign saying it's a very very fragile and dangerous situation i mean i think the most positive thing that one can say about it is that it's it seems like neither hamas nor is you really want to right now if it can be avoided. and the egyptians are more in a war because they're worried that it will play back into the north if it happens so. gazans face this really terribly difficult situation which is not just was

saying you know one minute you're hearing that as a positive development the qataris of the israelis of qatar to send in some few there seems to be a slight muting of the violence and then it blows up again. on the on the protests themselves what is the end game is there an end game is there an understanding you have out there in gaza the west what's going to happen next from the palestinian side from the protesters side. the problem is people are very desperate those who go to the border are young people who have unfortunately nothing to lose and they want to do something they want to do something to change their lives i mean we have been for years and years and blockade we have no answer to anything we have been for a decade trying to do peace. and there is no answer and again there are no potential even. light at the end of the tunnel. these rallies called their frequent attacks on gaza quote moaning the law. what kind of strategy is that if you can

even call it a strategy while i think it's right that particularly right wing commentators politicians in the zero do develop this concept which was absolutely should mean and in my view indefensible one which was that the way to pacify garza was every few years to go in in huge force as they did in two thousand and two thousand and twelve and again in two thousand and fourteen and that will somehow keep quiet now i think even some people in israel particularly in the military are beginning to wake up to the fact that for their own security reasons as much as anything else that may not be the best strategy but then on the other hand israel is coming up and facing an election where there's a lot of right wing pressure to mow the grass and then one can only hope that that

pressure is resisted. nigel is a part of the problem though for the people of gaza that the leadership and the political conditions on the ground in gaza are so dire right now allows the israelis to say the problems in gaza are not caused by us they're caused by misrule they're caused by hamas they're caused by corruption it's nothing to do with us if gaza was a liberal democracy everything would be fine but it's all hamas is fault. of course i mean that's part of the complication of of the of the picture here is the palestinian divide and we know that for a fact and it is harming the people of gaza and palestinians in general and the palestinian cause so. yes inside that are not troops but israel controls everything . that people cannot simply leave they cannot have their. basic health needs and that's not because of hamas that's because of israel now of course taking it to the

next level between hamas and fattah that's a big problem and the palestinians are fed up but not till you're right to say that it's not the fault of hamas that there's a lack of health care or or the blockade but on the other hand human rights watch has a report out recently which pointed out to both in the west bank and in gaza the palestinian factions hamas and the p.a. have been carrying out abuse torture deprivation of right how do people in gaza feel about the fact that they've got these really is oppressing them from outside and in many ways of suppressing them from inside. yeah unfortunately no one can deny that and unfortunately nobody is surprised by such such findings of raf such records by both sides realize that. are not be accountable to their people and they are not they're not helping as they should be and these violations are being frighted against by the civil society in both areas but there

is a lot a lot. of resistance from these factions. absolutely and it's of political these rallies always say that all the problems in gaza are the fault of hamas which is obviously absurd but in your experience in your view you were in gaza very recently you've written this book about gaza how much has made things worse on the ground in gaza i don't just mean in material terms but i mean the very presence and the way they run the place has provided the interaction with excuse to maybe look away and say well. you know the classic dollar drug problem both sides are to blame yes well look you know there's no doubt as niger was saying you mentioned human rights watch report i have some stuff in my book about being at times pretty repressively and there's no question and you know there are a couple you organization in that sense however after they won elections in two thousand and six which were attested by all international observers to be free and fair elections that it seems to me should have been that seems to me and i should

say an increasing number of diplomats who were involved to. privately now should have engaged with hamas and that was a terrible mistake rather than one hundred because of a little grain of located precisely just on the u.s. role donald trump gerrard. best buddies with netanyahu and co surely sadly there can't be any hope for gaza or the situation on the ground while trump is in office basically giving an american green light to anything that netanyahu wants to do we know that if there is another full scale war in gaza the americans aren't going to lift a finger not that they did before but definitely not now now i think that's right for war i mean actually the rather conflicting signals on gaza coming out of the administration i mean on the one hand we keep hearing rather turn to rising cushion or in dream but are working on some kind of rehabilitation plan for guards very much half the story which is what's needed but that president abbas incidents that's because he doesn't want to separate deal between the international community

and israel on the one hand and hamas on the other against that what he's actually doing practically is cutting aid to the palestinians by precedented amount and in particular in an effort to take the refugee issue off the tell you ball is cutting aid aid to honor a mass disastrous or potentially disastrous in a place where over half the population are in fact refugees. we focus a lot. role of the americans in the west in bashing israel but what about your arab neighbors what about egypt which has helped israel in this blockade of gaza or the u.a.e. which this week hosted israeli minister. do you feel abandoned by you arab. absolutely i feel abandoned but you know what i also feel that finally this is the reality that we have to see it and we have to face that. egypt and the closure of the

border that we how they treat people at the border is extremely inhumane and it's extremely unnecessary even. the situation with egypt's involvement in. of course out of their political interest. and they must be part of this part of any deal. and so no i mean we are not considering this part of the. solidarity if you will so this is has this has been changing dramatically and so the people of gaza what is the priority is it struggling to survive on a daily basis or is it still a sense of ending the occupation two state solution peace process what are the priorities right now for people on the ground you think. you know the problem now is that yes there are the daily challenges of course and it's affecting more and more more people than ever so the majority are busy with really securing their daily basic basic needs but in the bigger picture even if you want to speak to

people who have who are suffering on daily basis. and they really have the ability to think a little bit about the bigger picture they don't have any trust in any solution i think what what now people are out at really kidding feeling is another political solution that can completely ignore their rights again of the. more than before more than previous even previous basically meant that's what people realistically expect is that more denial of their rights and don't last question to you you've written this book on gods or you spent time in gaza you've reported from gaza do you think people in the west even in government not just members of the public recognise how dire the situation on the ground is in gaza and has been for many years no i don't and i think one of the tragedies of gods are actually is that if there's

a or then huge attention swings on you know it becomes a big media story even when there are other things going on in the world and then as soon as that war is over it dies as a story and the suffering doesn't stop and also the factors that are leading up to the next war are very widely ignored by the media and i think that's a huge problem. we'll have to leave it there thank you both for joining me on the show. next week. november on al-jazeera radicalized a new hard hitting series comes face to face with the hatred and violence of militant groups that attract young people around the world on november fifth the u.s. will impose additional sanctions on iran targeting the oil sites we'll look at the

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no this is live from doha. also coming up defiance from iran as the u.s. re-instate all pre nuclear deal sanctions on rouhani to continue selling its oil allegations of vote buying and changing deals because deepening political crisis will be live in colombo and sudan tries to recover from u.s. sanctions by reviving boards. thank you for joining us the un's human rights council is reviewing the actions of songe arabia and its record on human rights a saudi delegation is in geneva to face questions over the murder of jamal has among other issues addressing the council the delegation reads restated the

kingdom's position that it's investigating the case and will persecute those response prosecute rather those responsible for the assassination. of the king of saudi arabia has already expressed its. and for the deaths of american children going on the ninety's i was already instructed the prosecution to proceed with the investigation into this case according to the laws in preparation to reaching all the facts and bringing all the perpetrators to justice in order to bear the facts to live probably live to paul brennan who is in geneva for a soul of the saudis there reiterating poll that they will investigate the case of jamal how shoji tell us first about the sort of questions they face so far from the un's human rights council. yeah it's been a it's been

a mixed bag so far the session started about an hour ago now the first forty five minutes was the saudi representative basically outlining how saudi arabia has come in leaps and bounds in supporting human rights legislation he was basically running through the saudi national report which is submitted to this working group and forms the basis of part of the of the discussions he was outlining for example issues such as the children's act which prevents abuse against children he was talking about how women were increasingly represented at levels of government including at the high level of deputy minister level but he couldn't ignore the issue of the murder of jim out the clip that you just played was basically the whole entire ety thirty seconds in a forty five minute address so he knew he couldn't ignore it but frankly it wasn't a very fulsome reference to it and he is going to face very tough questioning it is going to go on partisan lines i have to say that the early questions that we've heard just before i stepped outside to speak to you were from beckett's down

algeria was largely supportive and passing on the back of saudi arabia's effort so far but there are advance questions which have been submitted from countries such as the united states and the united kingdom which are far more critical i'll give you for example the question that the u.k. has submitted in advance and they have said this can given the recent violent death of journalist. can the government of saudi arabia elaborate on their claim that the laws of saudi arabia guarantee freedom of opinion and expression as i said that an hour ago it's elegant but there's no mistaking the steel behind the questions that saudi arabia is going to face some nations here on the whole what what then is the purpose of this review of saudi arabia's actions on human rights what's likely to come out of this specific session that when. well every nation of the united nations has to come before a huge p.r. universal periodic review working group in order to show how it's up holding the

values of the united nations and this is the arabia's turn it happens every six years or so and every nation has to submit to it now the timing though is particularly important because of the murder of jamal has showed it really puts focus on saudi arabia and also i think the sea change the way the wind is blowing now internationally whereas previously saudi arabia has been regarded as a strategic ally of many western countries and to a certain extent a blind eye has been turned to the laws and the activities of saudi arabia now are seeing far more focus and far more critical focus on the way saudi arabia governs mention made in some of the documents submitted in advance of the amputation and stoning of children that takes place of the way that women are denied the basic rights under certain laws in saudi arabia how they're not fully represented and the use of the death penalty for example which has doubled in its incidents just between twenty thirteen and twenty fifteen and finally the fact that there is no

law that protects freedom of assembly in saudi arabia so these fundamental human rights which are denied in saudi arabia they are here today being really sternly questioned about it and will continue to follow all the developments in geneva there with the a paul brennan thank you very much for the moment. meanwhile the sons of a murdered saudi journalism have shoji say their family is unable to grieve properly without knowing where his body is he was killed by what turkish officials say was a hit squad who waited for him at the saudi consulate in istanbul turkey is vice president says it is now seeking the person who committed the murder on its soil and speak to andrea simmons who is outside the saudi consulate in istanbul forests added some very interesting comments from the vice president of turkey we've also had new leaks to the take us media what does this all suggest as far as what turkey might do next in this case. well it's not clear what it's

going to do next but for what the turkish vice president made it clear that turkey had done all good to try to get this investigation completed and to get to the very top of the tree in terms of who ordered the whole murder to take place he said this who gave the order to commit this murder on our soil we are searching for this he said that we would be full transparency in the investigation he then went on to talk about reports as he described them of acid being used to try to dispose of. body he said that there would have to be a full investigation into this it's unclear really who is making this assertion that acid could have been used there was a report that a turkish official said this so this is all getting to be more and more confusing for observers and also there is now a report in almost

a daily leaks process through the sabah newspaper which is government a government pro-government newspaper and this report suggests that two individuals who came in an official saudi search team that arrived here in istanbul on october the eleventh nine days after the murder took place these two men dead as one of them having been a chemical expert and the other wanted toxicologist now they're described as two men who were not really involved in the investigation or search but actually engaged in a cover up operation and now there is no evidence given in this report or any suggestion as to what exactly they did but the assertion seems to be made that this official party did have within its. people who is actively engaged in perpetuating a crime now watching all of this over the more than

a month have been the relatives of the two sons in particular who spoke publicly to the american network c.n.n. and one of them had this to say bob what we want right now is to bring him in a bucket with him and you know with his with because of his family in saudi arabia conservative yes i talk to that talk about that with. the saudi authorities and. i just hope that it happens or but you need to find somebody needs to find his his body yes. i think that the sessions are going. to be hopeful about that. talking there very emotional interview he is actually from saudi arabia he was allowed out of saudi arabia to go to the united states to be with the rest of his

family in washington d.c. his brother was with him his book dollar actually said even the way we grieve is completely confusing we've tried to follow every turn of this of all the disputed facts and the lies on television news and they just really while they held them selves together in that interview which was deeply moving also said that he felt that his father had been misunderstood and intentionally misrepresented for political reasons he described his father was a genuine happy person and an amazing father so their grief goes on and this mystery of the whereabouts of the body parts or the remains of goes on with more rhetoric or more accusations being made by both sides in this crisis thank you for that andrew symonds live for us in istanbul the toughest sanctions today's that's

what the u.s. is calling the latest measures against iran it's targeting the country's oil and financial sectors but he wants president has some rouhani says tehran will carry on business as usual but ministration is very imposing sanctions that were originally lifted as part of the twenty thousand nuclear agreement and move ahead hundreds of businesses including those from countries linked with tehran. is our correspondent in iran he joins us live so what's the reaction then to the reimposition of these sanctions then and what will they mean for iranians. well president hassan rouhani was the first public figure to make comments this morning of the day that sanctions were imposed and in a speech to his economic team he made some very very defiant statements he said that iran will break this these sanctions will continue to sell oil and he said this white house that no white house in history has been as opposed to fulfilling

international obligations and commitments and as racists using a very very harsh term to describe his counterpart in the united states and he also said that iranian people remain ready to continue to resist any sort of american pressure also today what we saw is that multiple air defense units that comprise the iranian air force as well as air power associated with the iranian revolutionary guard corps they were carrying out large scale military exercises that spanned half a million square kilometers across the northern central and western parts of the country it's a strong display of strength that happens every year it is routine but no doubt this date was handpicked as a strong message to the united states that many of the things that you pulled out of the nuclear deal over including ballistic missiles were going to continue to develop those were going to continue to test and boost our air defense capability

and our arsenal and many iranians we speak to here tell us consistently that they've come to learn that when dealing with the united states they have realized that the only language that they understand is the language of strength.