artley because even amongst the cia and the agencies the sentiment is not to remove m.b.'s but more to contain him what to try to use this as leverage to get some type of negotiations over the yemeni civil war and also some type of pressure on saudi arabia to ease the blockade and maybe even lifted on qatar what about the white house though scott do you expect the white house to try and resist any pressure from congress absolutely i mean the white house for example for months resisted sanctions against russia given donald trump's affinity for a lot of reports on but they did finally have to give way the white house will probably counter brief counter spend against the us and say that they're not convinced or that the intelligence is not rock solid but then you've got the power struggle within the agencies that is glenn it has mention has been there since the start of the trump administration so it's really going to be a question of i don't think getting donald trump on line you'll never get donald

trump in line but more rather whether you can get all the agencies together whether you can get support from congress and you contain donald trump and you contain jared kirshner and you try to get some sensible way forward on american foreign policy the two individuals to look to for that sucker of state might pompei o defense secretary jim mattis or let's take those points back to glenn so glenn if we have this sort of scenario which everyone expects of continued resistance from the white house to take any sort of tougher approach toward saudi arabia beyond what the white house has already done how do you think intelligence agencies like the cia might deal with that sort of situation. well i think i think. we're pretty well there you won't get. substance of agreement or action from the white house you might have the white house constrained from constrained to accept or at least put his signature on

a sanction for example but then he wouldn't give it any life which is what he did with russia he will pay lip service to say something and then change the subject and simply ignore anyone who works in in a federal bureaucracy or probably any institution. learns early on as i did that if you receive in an order that you think is ill advisor you don't want to do you put it in the bottom of the inbox and then when your boss says what's happening you say i'm right on it sir and then you go on to something else and it's very difficult to move a large institution like that i think this is essentially what trump will do with more bloviating bombast and changing of the subject might the say i share these findings these reporting findings with other allies might that be a way to increase global prussia not only on saudi arabia but for the u.s. for the white house to act too. broadly speaking i think the answer is yes and

that's a good point what's called the five eyes to the five closest allies of the united states. to allies from world war two whose close relationship has continued united kingdom canada australia new zealand in the us probably would have. routine. access there be procedures where information of the sensitivity would likely be shared because of overlapping interests and probably with other close allies to to some extent certainly the conclusions would be shared the sources almost never but that the information would be shared yes and then what other countries do it it who knows who knows indeed to call. what do you think ultimately what does this reported finding meaningful mohammed been so none the saudi crown prince it means it does not mean he is gone that turns more on internal saudi dynamics.

to have been someone has succeeded in consolidating power last year where it's very hard for anyone inside the monarchy to mount a challenge as long as the king decides that he wants his son to stay in place which appears to be the case right now what it does more broadly however is it puts pressure on saudi arabia from multiple angles in terms of what it is doing in the region it puts pressure on saudi arabia as i mentioned before to try to join up or support the talks which we expect at the end of the month on the yemen crisis it puts pressure on saudi arabia to try to stop the split within the gulf countries it puts pressure on the u.a.e. as well as saudi to ease back on a hard line and it boosts the turks as they try to get more of a regional influence including fencing over things such as the syrian crisis however there is one cab yet to this because the saudis have one card to play against this attempt to contain both m.b.'s and contain both their policy and that

is as long as the u.s. is committed to regime change in iran the saudis have got leverage back against washington because they could always for example threaten to cut their oil output and therefore you might see a price spike which would undermine the american strategy against iran at this point. then what do you think the consent go ahead. if i could just jump in and i think add. to that i agree with everything that scott said i do think i don't think this will lead to m.p.'s is being removed no not at all it's an internal thing his powers can say is consolidated zone however since world war two the united states's has bet on saudi arabia and the sunni in the in the great game of power in the middle east. president obama shifted that it was an historic shift and without choosing the shia and iran did try to.

have more ethical choice in our in our policy. trump has gone back on that viscerally because he's accepted for whatever reasons the a strongly hostile posture towards iran this n b s's ordering the murder of a person in the consulate of saudi arabia is are just an incredibly moronic operation from every perspective that they make hard to make the establishment in the us glenn view mohammed bin sound man still as an acid all more of a sort of volatile semen threat. well a harder ally to stay very close where then get in bed with yes and it may it certainly will give some. ammunition to elements of the u.s. government there are other. foreign policy humanity who don't wish to align us so reflexive lee with saudi arabia since they seem they've proven themselves to be

very. unwise in many of their choices but trump is the president and he for reasons good and bad mostly bad has identified saudi arabia as the way to work towards pressuring in destroying iran so that's unlikely to change what makes it harder this escalation mics are not scott events. that you don't think this is going to lead to the un seething obama bin salim and but does it increase the pressure on the saudi king to perhaps limit his powers in some way do you think scott. i think there'll be a bit of containing of the house of insolvent i think for example you'll see certain councils within the monarchy and the saudi state will be expanded to kind of dilute his influence over that i think you will see probably the king. take maybe more of a role in terms of decision making as he did indeed this summer when he openly

split from m.b.'s on the question regarding palestine and i think you'll also see pressure eased on a number of the princes and businessmen in the elite that remember only a few months ago were arrested in tucked away in the ritz carlton hotel as m.p.'s try to make himself the one and only power in saudi arabia i think that effort to centralize power in his hands while it will not disappear i think it will be checked a bit where that goes from there however the saudi politics or complexity even beyond my pay scale and there are so many moves that are going to be made from multiple angles at this point that the idea of a significant change in m.b.'s this position won't be happening in the near future glenn from the perspective of the intelligence community why do they think there is so much resistance from the white house to put pressure on saudi arabia and to protect the u.s. saudi relationship with there you're asking an intelligence officer in american

intelligence to assess american politics and of course we are we are supposed to receive our instructions and salute and say yes serious matter. conservatives republicans have strongly identified with saudi arabia one could argue that this is because solely because of. astronomical contributions by saudi elements to companies and to quote political figures but then there's the broader. realist strategic assessment the saudi arabia is necessary for the stability of the middle east and that the sunni on the whole are not a revolutionary powers as iran is i don't i think the assessment frankly has been accepted in conservative circles in the united states for a long time now that iran is not

a revolutionary power it is an expansionary power seeking at least regional influence right in a way that it didn't before all right but there's this debate between support the sunni support the shia is iran's destabilizing or should we try to contain it by working with that that's the debate and trump has reflexive motivations which appear to be largely based on money for himself or right it's been a fascinating discussion love to chat more about him sure we've got another opportunity though in the days ahead for now let's thank tom guests very much glen call and scott lucas thank you two for what change can see the show again any time by visiting our website al-jazeera don't comb and for further discussion head over to off facebook page that's facebook dot com ford stache a.j. inside story you can also join the conversation on twitter handle varies a.j. inside story from me sam is a that and the whole team here for now it's provide. it's

a daunting climb to one of the holiest sites in due time tiger's nest ball astri seems to defy gravity every few cities is expected to complete the pilgrimage to ensure peace and happiness what it became a democracy in two thousand and eight the time put happiness at the center of all political policy inspiring the un to pass a resolution urging other nations to follow betimes example but how do you measure it many brits unease happiness is what we ensure it's if it is quantifiable but by

simply turning its pursuit into policy time has done what no other country has. the lights are on. and there's nowhere to hide isn't the easiest way to solve this to allow u.n. observers who you invited into the country earlier this year to finish their job i haven't said it's a right wing conspiracy or anybody's conspiracy straight talking debate do you think we're going to see some kind of scene change in the u.s. relationship with saudi arabia we have an obligation there is that journalistic integrity and then to end this case it was betrayed totally up from its own al-jazeera senator robert kennedy was assassinated in june one thousand nine hundred sixty eight sir hand sir had is still serving a life sentence for his murder. but there have been calls for decades for the case to be reopened including from robert kennedy jr. all the evidence was destroyed

after the trial they had a legal obligation to save the evidence because sir ham was going to file an appeal al-jazeera world asks who killed robert kennedy. and monday put it well on. u.s. and british companies have announced the biggest discovery of natural gas in west africa but what to do with these untapped natural resources is already a source of heated debate nothing much has changed they still spend most of their days looking forward to for the dry riverbed tonight this one five years on the syrians still feel battered or even those who managed to escape their country have been truly unable to escape the war. a line has them seeking and the how the top stories on al-jazeera u.s. president donald trump says he'll get a full report on the killing of saudi journalist shoji in the next few days he's

spoken to the cia chief after reports the spy agency believes saudi arabia's crown prince ordered a murder that contradicts the saudi government's claim that sound man was not involved she had a chance he has more from washington it's basing its conclusion on the evidence that they've seen intercepted communications and so on and the structure of the saudi regime and it seems pretty clear doubt about that conclusion made with high confidence that the crown prince of saudi arabia personally ordered the killing of jamal khashoggi has not been received well at the white house and that's perhaps why the cia leaks that conclusion to the press more than a thousand people are missing in northern california after the worst wildfires to hit the region since records began donald trump has made his first visit to the area he's been to the town of paradise where at least seventy one people died kristen salumi has more from chico california. just whole neighborhoods burned to

the ground we saw recovery crews going through cellars looking for remains of people to try to identify bodies a den of five people that may be on that missing persons list just even the downtown area of paradise industrial buildings in some cases were burned to the ground so really a scene of utter devastation and all the people that lived there had to flee and go somewhere many are in shelters some are staying with family some are in hotels. almost three thousand migrants who are mexico's border with california say they do not feel welcome in the mexican city of tijuana most of them are staying at a local sports complex sleeping outdoors on a baseball field the city's mayor warned the influx of central american migrants will continue for six months thousands of them are scaping violence and poverty hoping to gain asylum in the u.s. heidi joe castro is in. i'm outside the community sports stadium that's become the

makeshift shelter for more than two thousand people these are migrants who have been traveling with the caravan from central america her safe really a continent on foot dealing with the elements only to arrive here at america's doorstep and have to wait days if not weeks longer women and children have been sleeping with no roof exposed to the elements at night but there have been some signs of hope there are members of the community into you want to who have come here to open up the resources like a trailer offering people showers clothing being distributed as well as food the reason that so many migrants are now says in essential is stuck into the awana is that the u.s. government is only allowing a trickle of people to make their asylum claim in the port of entry a day only about thirty out of the thousands who are now now to america's doorsteps and so what that means is that the awana will have its resources strained for many

days to come with these migrant families wondering how they will survive the next few weeks hoping for that chance to make their legal asylum claim in the u.s. the governor's race in florida during the u.s. midterm elections was a hotly contested and close call but after a recount the democratic candidate has now conceded defeat and gillum officially ended his bid and acknowledged the win of his republican opponents wrong decentest the recount was ordered after initial results showed a narrow margin between the two. saudi led military coalition has resumed and strikes against yemen's hooty rebels in the port city of data the united nations says the wars push some eight point four million people to the brink of starvation who does now control most of the country while the exiled government rules a section of the south in france a protest has been killed and more than two hundred injured demonstrations against

the rising cost of fuel prices have risen twenty percent since the start of the year the governments and of the taxes to try to lower air pollution as part of its environmental policy those are the headlines we're back in half an hour right now it's world war one through arab. world war one. above. four years of bitter conflict. known

as the great war. all the war to end all. its grim trains warfare. with europe the main feature of war. but this was a war fought on many fronts. so there's another story rarely told. of huge importance during the war. and of lasting significance.