tv NEWSHOUR Al Jazeera November 18, 2018 1:00pm-2:01pm +03
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beneath pink skies by the taj mahal. or as the sun sets in the city of angels. al are still reading a little bit in iran but the frontal system that was so active is a little less so as it drifts slowly eastwards and southwards there's a lot of clouds to the north of this area so from afghanistan back through the northern caspian the caucasus to turkey this is i think where the action we were cold comes in contact was warmer and wetter in turkey's a case in point in fact the whole of the eastern med will end up being like that eventually have to spread the risk of shout shout shout out through jordan to northern saudi again the same time a shot here seems possible running through turkmenistan but up to thirty four and cobbles at fifteen degrees in the arabian peninsula where active weather's been around recently there's a bit of a day off with a breeze running down through bahrain and qatar swells back through the empty
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quarter dusty year then going up western side of saudi where then eventually will start to encounter some storms once more just indoors and sadly for the southeast a real road to be quite as bout time we developed a few more showers in southern africa with the clouds there so the eastern cape might see something develop shower to foxconn to when you'll notice it's not as hot as it was in jo'burg but if you're back in botswana we're easily into the thirty's . the weather sponsored by cattle and place. the lights are on. and there's nowhere to hide isn't the easiest way to solve this to allow u.n. observers who you invited into the country earlier this year to finish their job i haven't said it's a right wing conspiracy or anybody's conspiracy great talking debate do you think we're going to see some kind of sea change in the u.s. relationship with saudi arabia we have an obligation there's a journalistic integrity and then and this case it was betrayed totally up front
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only al-jazeera. you're watching are just zero time to recap our headlines now the u.s. government is expected to give its conclusion on who killed saudi journalist jamal khashoggi in the next two days that's according to u.s. president donald trump who says he's awaiting a final report earlier media leaks say the cia believes saudi crown prince mohammed bin sound man ordered the killing. saudi led military coalition has resumed their strikes against germans who threw rebels in the port city of a day the united nations says the war has pushed of eight point four million people to the brink of starvation nearly one thousand three hundred people are missing and
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at least seventy six have died in northern california following the worst wildfires to hit the region since records began made his first visit to the area on saturday . authorities say the argentinian submarine the san juan which disappeared with a crew forty four on board imploded the wreckage of the vessel was discovered a year after it disappeared off the country's eastern coast today is a bow reports from one the scientists. for a year and two days they walk into the same question where are the forty four loved ones the crew of the sun kwan finally they have some answers but not closure just yet loss and we were sitting at the dining table with my mom when the mrs from the submarine command force arrived saying that an object that was to take to disobey was the sun one we couldn't believe it we turned on the television and they said it was the sun one this and one was on a routine patrol before it went missing the crew reported water enter the snorkel
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area and cost shorts or quitting problems that provoked a fire an explosion was later detected submarines are built to be difficult to find it proved impossible for thirteen countries who joined the two week long search operation the argentine maybe provoked anger and dismay among the crew's relatives by officially ending that search. contracted by the argentine government the u.s. company ocean infinity has combed the deaths for more than two months. on the first anniversary of the disaster that same evening ocean infinity's deep sea experts found an object of interest and sent down a robotic submarine to take a closer look it positively identified the. resistant shell is in one pace but it's deformed and dented inside which was caused by external pressure of the hydrostatic column at nine hundred meters you know. the
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government says that now it's time to find out what happened. the president specifically told me that we had to find a submarine and find the truth to get justice now we have found the submarine we need to establish what the causes were and if there are people responsible. but the relatives one the judiciary to look into the current administration but also into the previous one the submarine was refurbished to the previous administration of former president cristina kirchner many are calling into an investigation of everyone involved in the process earlier this year the police raided several navy bases and shortly after the head of what. my mama had judges meeting an investigation into what happened because the relatives want to know why was it possible that water entered the fnord area of the summer which is what caused the fire for the cruise families closure will only come with accountability.
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i'll just see what a situs. in france a protester has been killed and more than two hundred injured during demonstrations against the rising cost of fuel says the start of two thousand and eighteen prices have increased by as much as twenty percent need parker reports from paris. they are the sights and sounds of protest in the heart of the french capital there have been many demonstrations during president micron's leadership as he tries to introduce a raft of economic reforms but this new round of protests is different. around two hundred fifty thousand demonstrators took to the streets in more than two thousand protests nationwide this was bordeaux is main square. it began as a grassroots movement called the yellow vests
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a backlash against tax increases on petrol and diesel the movements now gathering momentum. in northern france near kalai they've blocked roads as well as access to fuel depo paralyzing transport routes as a blockade in southeast from a driver accidentally hit and killed a woman demonstrator by simple i'm wearing these yellow vests for a simple reason there are too many taxes in this fuel tax we simply cannot tolerate we just keep getting taxed by michael and me getting nothing back here in central paris serving several pockets of protests and merging in different parts of the city similar tenuously such as here at the arc trio have also been several somewhat valiant attempts to blockade the roads although here where people are doing is stopping cars to see exactly what the people support what they're trying to do here is a difficult challenge for president emanuel macron on the one handing house to show that he's allowing people the democratic right demonstrations like this at the same
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time standing firm on his policies. government is listening to all the demonstrations and of course we must continue to answer the expectations of the french including those about their purchasing power but one thing is certain interior ministry is very concerned and will always be very concerned for the safety and well being of the people that put it earlier in the week mccrum said he wanted to reconcile the french people with its leaders the government insists the price hikes and necessary to help reduce carbon emissions has offered some financial incentives to encourage people to buy electric cars but demonstrators say taxes should be imposed on big polluters like heavy industries not ordinary drivers but crumbs popularity has been forming in recent months he can't afford to see it slide any further leave barker al-jazeera paris war crimes suspect alfred yeah tom has been extradited to the hague for his alleged role in the process he's
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against muslims in the central african republic yeah khatami is a sitting member of parliament he was a senior leader in the mostly christian anti baloch a movement its fighters systematically attacked the muslim population after muslim salah corrupt all seized power. campaigning has begun for could be nigeria's most expensive presidential election a record seventy nine candidates are vying to win the vote which is jew in three months president mohammed who will harley is one of them that's despite criticism of his handling of the economy and the war against iran one hundred reese is in the capital a booge are taking a look some of his challenges. president mohamed will hurry is facing the biggest challenge of his political career must defections from the ruling all progressives congress continuing attacks by boko haram as well as a sluggish economy are threatening his hold on power its campaign team is confident
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he remains popular with voters this administration has also more were so little and could do somewhat recently too because the way it's also you know dig the this grand corruption once you can call ground corruption you can save enough money to do so much and that is exactly what this administration has done what he has apparently recovered from an undisclosed illness that kept him in a foreign hospital for months is opponents say he's not fit for the post leading seventy eight other candidates to challenge him is former vice president to work or the seventy two year old is the opposition people's democratic party candidate he was a member of his ruling party until a few months ago. it's opponents call him desperate for power and corrupt i.q. stations he denies and says nigerians want the kind of government out there phil because they have been applying the wrong tact is the wrong attitude and the wrong
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ideas to solving a problem that will better understand the bigger cause i bet on listening to people and second in the us i will look at it like the president is also from the north where the next president is expected to be from under an unwritten political power to an agreement between the north and the south but many candidates are challenging that agreement between two thousand and seven and two thousand and fifteen everything literally everything when henri and. there was a cry for leadership change it was almost anybody but. jonathan or the p.d.p. and today we found that it is not just anybody you just got to get the right person next year's elections are expected to break the record as the most expensive ever hear more than half a billion dollars is a budget approved by parliament for the election commission and already politicians are spending millions on publicity and planning for election day the election
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commission which had its budget approved last month is also faced with a logistical nightmare of having the long list of seventy nine candidates on the presidential ballot paper there's no room for a commission to begin with it. when in fact the law provides that every political party that that wish to contest has to be on the ballot paper yes of course there could be one or two challenges but there are manageable what will also come into play next year's election are regional religious and tribal leaders analysts say unless voters look beyond those factors nothing much will change in africa's most populous nation. nigeria. iran's president says trade with iraq could be raised to twenty billion dollars despite u.s. sanctions has some rouhani made the remarks after meeting with visiting iraqi president but one hundred. u.s. imposed sanctions on iran's oil banking and shipping sectors after pulling out of
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its nuclear deal with the country earlier this year they must r.v. has more from there are. during their talks iranian president hassan rouhani and his iraqi counterpart barham sali discussed the importance of security cooperation between their two oil rich nations rouhani made the point that it is up to the countries in the region to handle their own security a familiar tactic iranian leaders use to publicly bolster the importance of their own rule simultaneously characterizing the role of the united states as foreign interference. that i had a dream which were both of the opinion that all people will benefit from stability in this region we don't need foreign intervention regional countries should have closer relationships and mutual cooperation especially iran and iraq at one and has time to form a new regional establishment that could cater to the interests of all nations and so we attach a high importance to the role that iran iraq must be an area for common interest
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for regional nations not a field for conflict in design the economies of iraq and iran rely on their bilateral trade and iraq is one of the few countries to get a temporary u.s. waiver to keep buying iranian oil and gas and despite threats by u.s. president donald trump to punish anyone doing business with iran rouhani and sally discussed the potential for expanding annual trade from twelve to twenty billion dollars they also talked about setting up a free trade zone as well as a railway line to more closely connected to neighbors but iraq is caught in a delicate balancing act the united states has had a major influence over iraq's security and politics since they invaded the country in two thousand and three neighbor iran once an enemy is now a key ally that helped iraq defeat i so. while the iraqi president's visit could be a show of support for iran in the face of american sanctions iraqi leaders no doubt find themselves in an uncomfortable position of trying to please two friends who don't get along.
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and let's take you through some of the headlines here on al-jazeera now the u.s. government is expected to give its conclusion on who killed saudi journalist damascus joji in the next two days that's according to u.s. president donald trump who says he's awaiting a final reforms a number of media outlets said the cia believes sadly crown prince mohammed bin sandman ordered the killing still justice are looking for a cia director who is terrific and very knowledgeable and been studying this very closely and it's a horrible thing that took place the killing of a journalist a very very bad situation. and somebody who's respected it should never have happened and we'll be having a very full report over the next two days in the meantime we're doing things to some people that we know for a fact were involved and we're being very tough on
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a lot of people what with this report and we're going to come up with a report as to what we think the overall impact was and who caused it and who did it you talk about a killing we're not talking about anything else we're talking about it killing so who did it. trump has been surveying the damage caused by wildfires in northern california seventy six people are now confirmed dead in nearly thirteen hundred remain unaccounted for the saudi military coalition has resumed and strikes against yemen's who's the rebels in the port city of her data the united nations says the war has pushed some eight point four million people to the brink of starvation. in france a protester has been killed or more than two hundred injured during demonstrations against the rising cost of fuel prices have risen twenty percent since the start of the year investigators in argentina say
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a navy submarine found a year after it disappeared in the atlantic ocean imploded the. valley four hundred kilometers off the time coast with forty four crew members on board. the headlines the news continues here in al-jazeera after upfront stay with us. this is a really fabulous news from one of the best i've ever worked in there is a unique sense of bonding where everybody teams in. something i feel every time i get on the chair every time i interview someone we're often working around the clock to make sure that we bring events as i currently as possible to the viewer that's what people expect of us and that's what i think we really do well. today on up front is it time to log off from an increasingly scandal plagued facebook iconic tech pioneer jaron lanier and is the crown prince of saudi arabia really
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going to execute the country's most famous cleric. m a the house and we've all heard about the saudi crown prince is alleged involvement in the murder of a saudi journalist but what about the clerics and activists he's rounded up at home i'll speak to the son of imprisoned saudi shaykh someone out up but first with facebook in the news again for failing to grapple with russian meddling illegal data sharing and hate speech is it time to just log off the author of the recent book ten arguments for deleting your social media account right now certainly think so this week's headlines from new york all for virtual reality pioneer and iconic computer scientist jaron lanier. jaron lanier thanks for joining me on up front the new york times just published
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a bombshell report revealing that facebook knew about russian meddling in the u.s. elections fail to penalize then presidential candidate donald trump for posting racist content compromises its users data privacy and tried to smear its critics as anti semites to quote from the times headline facebook strategy was to delay deny and deflect you know facebook i'm sure you've probably interacted with mark zuckerberg does any of that surprise you what's your reaction to this report. well . i'm not entirely surprised by the report of the some of the details are surprising and shocking i think from the facebook point of view and from zucker burke's point of view he is ollie's in what he perceives as a life or death struggle either facebook controls the world or it dies he doesn't perceive any kind in. tween outcome and so therefore there's a kind of an ethic of anything at all is allowed because it's either survival or
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total domination or total death and so if you perceive this all or nothing world which i think is a false perception then you lose all sense of proportion obviously and given the crises plaguing facebook which go back to the twenty sixteen us election and beyond all mark zuckerberg the chair and c.e.o. and sheryl sandberg the c.e.o. are they still the right people to be running facebook right now or is it time for them to step aside well one of the peculiarities of facebook is that it's the only public corporation that's large and is effectively controlled by one person and it in a sense that's an oxymoron a public corporation should have a powerful board it should have power powerful shareholders and the fact that there isn't governance is the first issue that it's a one man shop is really really not ok it's not ok for the world it's not even in the spirit of capitalism i think it's really anti market it's anti-democratic so
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you should study the side and make it more democratic and capitalist i think it would be good for the world if he stepped aside but the point is that there's no mechanism for him to do so. he yeah last year mark zuckerberg said facebook's mission is to give people the power to build a community and bring the world closer together given these recent revelations given your own research in this field do you buy that. well you know from my perspective having participated in the creation of the internet in the first place it's the internet that brought people together and yet whenever facebook shows up somewhere it seems to incite intercommunal bloodshed because the very way it functions is by grabbing people's emotions and the easiest ones to grab are the negative ones the fight or flight emotions and so it tends to reach passions and then put those reste passions into the cycle until they become ever worse and then you start to have the routing here crisis is crises in south india crises in
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rural africa so we see bizarre. powers coming coming into play that are displacing democracy in countries as different as sweden and brazil what else do they have in common other than facebook that you know that that's all they have some of course in britain which is owned by facebook and it's interesting you raise the issue of the rohingya and the ethnic cleansing the new york times did draw attention to that in their piece and say facebook ignored people who warned them about ethnic cleansing and their role in it the twenty sixteen election of course is really brought this argument to the fore about facebook's role in politics as it were there's been a lot of debate and controversy over facebook say these allegations are untrue they're inaccurate about their role in elections or whether they knew about russian meddling etc do you believe there is evidence to suggest that facebook had a measurable impact on the outcome of the u.s. presidential election on the outcome of the brics referendum that actually change votes i i would say there's enough strong evidence and enough consensus of enough
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people with enough different well intentioned and well informed perspectives that we should finally just say what the american intelligence establishment has said and what many others have said is that yes yes facebook did change the outcome of the american election and facebook's property wazza did change the outcome of the brazilian election. we played a role in bragg's it probably played a role in many other events in the world in recent years while and it's interesting you say that the problem is much broader than facebook it's social media itself you say that there are ten of humans for deleting your social media accounts right now that's the title of your book so we don't have time to get into all ten what do you know top two arguments for why people watch on t.v. you should get off of social media. well i would say first of all there could be some good form of social media the problem with social media right now is that it's designed to manipulate you and so if you enjoy free will if you
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enjoy being an honest person in the world you should not be using present day social media the business model of face work in other companies like twitter is anytime you connect with another person that's financed by some third party you don't know about he's trying to manipulate you in some sneaky way so it's this giant manipulation machine by design every penny they earn was earned because somebody thought they could manipulate somebody else another one is the tenth argument which is the spiritual one which is there's effectively a new religion that's being promoted by facebook and some of the other tech companies which is that people are just information machines were modules and were all being connected together into a giant computer through these companies and this giant computer will be this super intelligent ai that will be better than humanity and will inherit the world and so it's essentially a new kind of religion and if you practice an existing religion or if you're an atheist whatever you are you're gradually being sucked into this other tech
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religion and it's a crappy religion i mean it's a silly religion and you might not be aware of it because it happens gradually and so i'd ask you to examine very carefully with your buying into this this bizarre new way of thinking and if you want to learn more about that you can find it in the book just to check jar and do you practice what you preach do you participate in any social media yourself oh god no i would there. we have an accountant one of those things i do fine without any account on facebook or twitter or any of the rest of you actually don't disappear if you delete your accounts some people might say that if everybody in the arab world for example had listened to your advice in two thousand and ten two thousand and eleven and deleted their social media accounts we would have had some of the revolutions in the middle east we may not have the arab spring because in many ways those revolutions in egypt in tunisia they've been dubbed the facebook revolution the twitter revolution that's what they've been called yet so he hears what happens every time somebody uses platforms like facebook and twitter to effect. positive social change where they're saying
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well we can make our country better we can we can achieve this or that the algorithms in the background take whatever those people have done and they broadcast whatever information those people have given the text the images everything and they're looking for engagement from the broad population and what they do is they discover where the most engaged print is and the most engaged is inevitably with those people who are inflamed by it and then those people who are angry and and irritated scared whatever the bill says zoom in on them and then they'll incite it incited introduce them to each other and then the whole tool will refine itself for the most engaging it which inevitably is with the people who are the most angry the most in secure the most jealous the most afraid and then it becomes a tool for those people and certainly what you have is to make it a recruitment tool for isis so you start with something that helps the arab spring you end up with something that's optimized for isis you say that these are not just
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social media companies they are behavior modification empires and that when he uses behavior is turned into an empire for rent a lot of people say you basically are questioning free will you're saying that we actually lost our ability to make free choices we've been so do you is there actual evidence for that because a lot of people say well actually no it's fashionable to say we're ticked but we're not really addicted to social media research is that unicef research is oxford university said you know we're actually not addicted to social media in the way that you say we are in your book. well the last person who can recognize an addiction is the addict right and so from a technical point of view social media addiction is similar to gambling addiction and if you've ever talked to somebody with a gambling addiction you'll see the same things are i'm not addicted i just know how to be lucky i have a system. and it's a very similar process facebook's own published research that went through academic peer review shows that they can alter people's emotions so that the people understanding and being able to be consciously aware their face what did it to them
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there was a famous study in which they made masses of people sad without those people's consent and nobody understood that it was happening to them to say that you can be aware of that is a fool's game you cannot be we know that you cannot be and just to be clear of the five big tech companies google facebook i was on apple microsoft you say it's google and facebook that are doing the most damage to our behavior and our lifestyles not amazon which has been in the news this week for lots of criticism over the way it's got money out of government apple microsoft you say it's google and facebook is that right. well look there are plenty of reasons to criticize microsoft and facebook and for full disclosure i have a relationship with microsoft now and for even full disclosure i've sold a company to google i actually really like big tech companies are not treated anti-corporate or anti tech companies however what distinguishes google and facebook is that they rely almost solely on the manipulation machine
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for their money they don't have any diversification they're absolutely addicted to it like petra states are addicted to oil and so it does in my view corrupt them now the things i'm talking about these when appeal ations are all the tech companies engage in them to some degree but not totally so there might be additional reasons to criticize the other tech companies there probably are but it's where is this particular issue of running a mass mental manipulation machine for profit that's really google and facebook and then it's not. well you make me feel good or you make the argument very strongly in your book you're making the argument very eloquently today but do you worry that your connection to microsoft which you said full disclosure of being a research remarks didn't undermines your argument you're part of one of the quote unquote rival your part one of the companies you're saying isn't as bad as google and facebook doesn't undermine you in some way. well i love silicon valley i'm a creature of it and i want us to be better and i feel that being a loyal opposition being able to say what we're doing is wrong we need to
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change is my duty. it's it's some and i used to be rather lonely doing this there weren't too many others but in recent years it's actually become much more acceptable and common for people in the tech industry to criticize the tech industry and i think it's enormously healthy so . i don't think we should rely on people like me who are within the tech industry to be the sole critics or the sole agents of change that would be a problem but i think it's crucial that there be people inside the industry willing to call the truth but i think it is i mean we saw it as an industry insider as someone who was there for the start of the internet and you say you love silicon valley you want to see improve on the one hand some people say your supporters will say see even john lennon is saying this and he was there from the beginning he's he knows it inside out others might say hold on that makes jaron lanier a hypocrite because he made his name in this field he made his money out of it and now he's criticizing everyone else who's still in the business you know i was one
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of the earlier people to criticize what we're doing i started writing critical essays about this i wrote an essay in ninety two saying if we keep on going what we're doing there might someday be these bots that would do battle with each other to influence people and could throw an election so i mean i think we're hear about this for a long time does it make me a hypocrite for sticking with it possibly but you know what if that's so use what i'm saying to your benefit see read the arguments if they're helpful if you find any power from them use and i really don't like whether i'm like who cares if i'm a hypocrite i'm just one person and i'm not running for office i'm not asking you for anything what i can give us a perspective that you won't get from many other places of how an insider saw us make these terrible mistakes and that's i guess what i can offer you turn on and we'll have to leave it there thank you so much for joining me on outfront. thank you so much for having me. the new york times
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reported this week that shortly after journalist jamal khashoggi was assassinated in turkey a member of the saudi killed team instructed a superior over the phone to tell your boss but bosses believed to be saudi crown prince mohammed bin salam who back at home continues to crack down on his critics one such critic is the prominent muslim cleric. who's been held in solitary confinement for opposing the government and is now facing a possible death sentence joining me to discuss his situation is some abdullah a louder a saudi citizen who is now living in the united states and fears returning he's a senior fellow at georgetown university's center for muslim christian understanding. for joining me from boston the saudi authorities had your father in prison last year and charged with over thirty five different crimes including corrupting the land connection to a terrorist organization and offending them what's your response to the saudi authorities and to those charges well it's the same operation going
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on is going on actually for dissidents abroad for those who disagree at home for journalists economists public figures in general so my response is that the charge is actually represent how the state would crack down on any different view and on any person who disagrees and sadly prosecutors in september of this year called for your father's execution to do you think they're serious about that that they would really execute a cleric as prominent as your father salma out well do you think those who went to the saudi consulate were serious to take the life of the prominent journalist and veteran saudi. it's i mean it's the same mentality it's
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a pattern it didn't it did not start with my father did not start with it's a pattern that we have it with we have seen through the past one year and a half since the crown prince came to power they did everything in their power to just silence others to crackdown on dissent to just do impulsive policy usage of power some might say yes it is a power and your father was arrested imprisoned published by the saudi authorities in the past who in the one nine hundred ninety s. when he was a quote unquote islamist rabble rouser his critics many would say that's why he's being imprisoned with m.b.a.'s the saudi government under any prince or king has always taken a very dim view of people who oppose the government is not so it's true to me is all this tyranny. trying to ask and demand political reform is never something that you should be punished for political reform that my father
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and others spoke for. is actually the solution is actually the path towards civil liberty will come up to the political reform in a moment just to confirm many say your father was arrested in september twenty seventh because he refused to publish a tweet to his fourteen million followers at the request of the saudi government that supported the saudi led blockade of qatar which full disclosure owns this channel owns al-jazeera english is that true it's a trigger it's true because after he tweeted when he when he heard about the constellation between the qatar and saudi government he tweeted a lot he can sile between their hearts for the better of their people few hours after that tweet he was arrested that was the trigger that's of course the direct reason that he was arrested in september two thousand seventy but there is. long yes yes history and relationship and just to be clear before we get to that long
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history was your father being paid by the qatari government or anyone else in qatar because that's another accusation sometimes thrown against him by supporters of the saudi government has never paid and you know word if they feel he was in any at any point paid by their government or was conspiring by any conspiring with any foreign agent they would have a lot of evidence or proof they would show it in this state they have all his evidence they didn't show anything and if you if you read the just a number and i'm against him of the charges. yeah when mohamed been so mom told bloomberg last month that one thousand five hundred saudi citizens were arrested over the last three years because he the crown prince was trying to quote get rid of extremism and terrorism without a civil war a lot of people especially in the west will hear that and say he's got a fair point they've seen hate preachers extremist clerics coming out of the river for years and they think very often the prince wants to lock some of these people
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up to try to shut down extremism what's your response to be honest all that says it's not accurate he is tail in the he's attacking the very moderate voices that actually spearheaded the campaign against terrorism for the past two decades my father for example was the one who are. called called a spade a spade he pinpoint terrorism and he called it and he demand justice against all terrorists in serbia he was actually spearheading the campaign really along with the state at the time that the state benefited from the old his campaign and his. firsts your father is spoken out against terrorism as you say including against the nine eleven attacks against osama bin laden himself but the fact is that he was once a hero of good lardons the late al qaeda leader even cited your father's farm on the outer as his ideal personality you praise your father for in lightening muslim you. if you accept surely at the very minimum that whatever he says now he was once
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a quote unquote extremist well you know where in the eighty's bin laden light so much of their oil family and he was very close to them those who actually gave all the platform those who push the jihadi agenda at that time those who run who ran the show at that time those who should be responsible my father was a popular cleric he was admired by everybody the royal at the time he was respected by the royal family by the people but just in time a lot of hours just to be fair and get our facts right when billard turned against the saudi government when he'd already carried out the world trade center attacks and he published his famous fatwa against americans and foreign invaders etc in the mid ninety's he was still praising your dad no he's not he's actually just use in my father's popularity to get into his audience as your father was never a fan of below no he was never a fan of that he did not even consider bin laden a scholar or a shit but he clearly has evolved in his views over the years i think it's fair to
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call it what but he was never violent they were violent but he's evolved his views let's say in this very crude words from a more conservative position to a more liberal position i think westerners would put it as special and socially socially so for democracy or non muslims around sectarianism or his attitudes towards gay people is it fair to say that if your father was left undisturbed by the government unable to preach unable to talk to his fourteen million followers and tell about history news he could actually have. a more reformist impact on the saudi population than muhammad bin so much yes vitriol and that's why i haven't said man attacked him because he could pull the wrong end under the quote unquote to form a stage and it could expose so the reformist agenda that the state now is saying it's pushing for so on mohammed bin salma jamal khashoggi and his gruesome death at
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the hands of this team of saudi assassins in istanbul do you believe m.b.'s mohamed bin some of the saudi crown prince gave the order to kill jamal khashoggi. well you know what gave the attorney general the order to seek death penalty against my father for similar views of that of cheese hole actually there are reports even of that and there are torture in soda prison while i'm speaking right now turkey and just said it was reportedly dad ended torture into rabia. semana do we she's also reportedly dad but we're not sure why you believe the crown prince is responsible for these deaths. were ordered that whoever so that will actually will be responsible for the death of jamal khashoggi of dylan jamal khashoggi was on the show a lot from back in march he said he didn't quote want to be the next model i would i'm referring to your father being in prison at the time tragically ended up
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meeting a fate worse than your father's dare i ask do you know worry what will happen to you how much of a for do you think there is against you as a saudi citizen now living in the us criticizing the saudi authorities while well as some point i thought it's very difficult for the state to use the long arm to reach dissidents approach and those those who just did not present themselves as dissidents. g. and me. but now after what's happened. i think everyone is i mean the message actually the state sent is that everyone is threatened everyone we can we should be one everywhere so it's very very dangerous and we have seen you have to do i get threats like every hour not every day on twitter i get threats from different parties yeah and i believe you have more than
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a dozen members of your family inside aruba who've been banned from traveling as true so they can come and see you and you can go and see them yes. one last question abdulla you've been here in the u.s. since the summer of twenty seventeen before your father's arrest back home in saudi arabia do you have any message for donald trump for jared cushion of john bolton for these hardcore supporters of m.b.a.'s and the saudi government here in washington d.c. well if you want to perpetuate a good relationship that lasts longer and for the best interest of both parties we should do that with these people with the saudi institutions if one individual was impulsive. is really dangerous there are many alternatives we have seen that even within the royal family there are so many royals who could or could understand the reformist agenda the real reformist agenda could allow for
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a margin of freedom for the people could could protect the basic rights of the saudi people so what's the n.b.a. gender and his team is it producing is actually the environment they're establishing that could establish. an environment for terrorists or flourish and to live up to the louder we'll have to leave it there thank you so much for joining me on that front that's our show up front will be back next week. getting to the heart of the matter how can you be a refugee after you while eight borders between five safe countries facing new realities the pain starts from the very beginning of the school but it was providing context housing is not just about four walls and
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a roof hear their story and talk to how does iraq. al-jazeera. where every. i really felt liberated as a journalist was. getting to the truth as an eyewitness that's what his jobs bill. talking about a killing we're not talking about anything else we're talking about it so who did it. as pressure builds president trump says the u.s.
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will determine who killed him in the next two days. and sam is a dan this is al jazeera live from also coming up sifting through the damage we'll get an update from the at the center of california's worst wildfires trump visits the area fighting in resumes in yemen's key port city of her date after a brief. one person killed hundreds injured in protests across france against rising fuel prices. the u.s. government is expected to give its conclusion on who killed in the next two days
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that's according to president trump in south who says he's awaiting a final report earlier a number of media outlets said the cia believes saudi crown prince mohammed bin sound man ordered the journalist's killing trump called back from a chore the u.s. state department says it hasn't reached a conclusion shihab rattansi has the latest from washington d.c. . while touring the devastation caused by the california wildfires donald trump claimed the cia had not assessed anything yet that it was too early but that a judgment would come soon we're going to come up with a report as to what we think the overall impact was and who caused it and who did it a state department earlier released this statement recent reports indicating that the u.s. government has made a final conclusion are inaccurate there remain numerous unanswered questions with respect to the murder of mr chaudry the state department will continue to seek all relevant facts and we will do that while maintaining the important strategic
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relationship between the united states and saudi arabia but according to several reports not only has the cia reached a conclusion it has high confidence in its assessment that was killed by order of the saudi crown prince the cia reached out assessment having examined communication intercepts and analyzing the power structure of saudi arabia but there's still no direct evidence confirming muhammad bin salman ordered the hits and that may be all the leeway the president needs to avoid reaching the same definitive conclusion congressional leaders have been briefed by the cia some members of congress are demanding action me senator richard blumenthal tweeted this trump must accept for once his intelligence experts in controversial conclusion crown prince m.b.'s is culpable for casualties monstrous murder this brazen killing must have consequences sanctions prosecution removal of m.p.'s and others not continued cover up enabled by trump and the president is not willing to take those decisions the congress of
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the united states when it comes back. and reconvenes in washington will take decisions itself and the president might not like those decisions so he better get out in front of this oncoming train according to reports even the cia accepts that mohamed bin sounds position is secure but there are suggestions that the u.s. may attempt to use evidence of a. crown prince's culpability in to show g.'s murder as leverage on yemen the blockade of qatar where the incarceration of dissidents even as some in congress see the murder of jamal khashoggi as a moment to reevaluate the entire relationship between saudi arabia and the us others see it more as an opportunity to clip the wings of a volatile crown prince while still relying on him to advance the trumpet ministrations agenda in the middle east she has returned see al-jazeera washington jon jones is a us foreign policy and less than the former congressional advisor national security he expects the u.s. to change its relationship with saudi arabia the cia report essentially has
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listed out many discoveries that weren't available to the u.s. public or the international community and i can definitely imagine that congress will call for a significant adjustment of the u.s. saudi relationship already out of the gate you've had bipartisan cause for congress to pressure policymakers to use this as an opportunity to basically hold the saudi government account to account and when you look across the board what's happening in terms of these reports just over the last twenty four hours you can say with a great deal of certainty that prince mohammed in the eyes of the global community is definitely damaged goods so will he survive and will he most likely still
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continue to be within the reins of power in saudi arabia that seems to be the expectation based on reports by u.s. policymakers but it's expected that this relationship will definitely change going forward. well saudi led military coalition has resumed their strikes against yemen's healthy rebels in the port city of a day there is now control most of yemen while the exiled government rules a section of the south the united nations says the situation has pushed some eight point four million people to the brink of starvation how many faults nearby djibouti after a brief pause in fighting a few days ago the besieged city of her days again in flames both if i tells us a top targeted industrial complex on the outskirts with rockets and artillery because it was a base for the pro-government alliance backed by so did. its forces took control of
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these parts of the eastern suburbs a few days ago philthy commanders say the recent plea for cease fire is simply a ploy to allow their allies to the group. the military escalation must be met with a similar escalation once the balance of power is gained over they are in possession of advanced technologies sophisticated weapons in addition to the logistic support from the usa then a political solution can be acceptable to them if we remain weak they will dictate their own terms. the two day law in fighting earlier this week seems all but shouted on the residents of the city are bracing themselves for more fight. video posted on the internet by the pro-government dance brigade shows troops advancing toward the neighborhood south of near the city's airport. data has been under attack for months dolphins' it is aimed at cutting controlled areas from their main supply route. the u.n.
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and the international red cross say the resumption of fighting is and they do the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians trapped in that densely populated city . the head of the world food program was just visited today the ses yemenis are only months away from full scale farming we asked the leaders of this country to give us the access that we need the support that we need unimpeded access so that we can be engaged doing what we do this saving in changing the port of her days a lifeline for millions of yemenis up to eighty percent of humanitarian supplies fuel and goods on which they depend dock here aid workers say on a talk on the docks is still a possibility something that could put at risk more than fourteen million a dependent yemenis on the fighting is said to continue as both sides try to gain more territory ahead of peace talks due to be held on the end of the year in sweden
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. the world is the djibouti the remains of five more people have been found in the ruins left by wildfires in northern california that brings the death toll to seventy six with almost one thousand three hundred people still unaccounted for and as al-jazeera as kristen salumi reports thousands who have been left homeless are wondering what's next. at a makeshift camp next to a wal-mart parking lot shell shocked families take stock of their losses aimee bravo and her family were among the fifty thousand people forced to flee their homes as the wildfires closed in around them her trailer home and her place of employment are gone not to mention her daughter's toys a million things going to my head right we just got to figure out what we're doing and where we're going. that's yeah. her hometown called paradise now
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looks more like hell on earth entire neighborhoods have burned to the ground. forensic recovery teams poke through the burned out shells of homes looking for bodies of the missing the state of california is most devastating wildfire in history has claimed over twelve thousand buildings in addition to so many lives firefighters continue efforts to contain the blaze which is scorched over sixty thousand hectors the efforts are still still very active also we have units like search and rescue the national guard assisting us and multiple other resources helping us with the recovery president trump came here to paradise to view the scenes of utter devastation firsthand he met with state officials have been critical of him and promised federal assistance for californians the president downplaying the role of a changing climate in fueling these fires said the management and maintenance of forest lands will be the focus moving forward and he announced five hundred million
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dollars for that effort and i was grateful i mean you're going to have that and we're going to have far sort of very safe as we can go through these every year we go through this and we're going to have a say farce and. that's happening as we speak but ten days after the fire broke out californians with nowhere to go are getting impatient let's bring the troops back from the border and build some homes not some walls you know because that's what we need fema trailers out here people have children people have animals and we're not out here because we want to be we're here because we lost our homes a thick haze of smoke has settled over much of northern california along with the reality it's still not clear where people can go kristen salumi al-jazeera paradise california. trade tensions between the u.s. and china have dominated the apec meeting which is wrapping up in papua new guinea's capital a final statement from the summit is said to be issued but there are reports of
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disagreements over the wording and thomas joins us live now from the summit in the capital port mauls vary so first of all how those how is the competition playing out between china and the u.s. for influence among some of the smaller apec members who are quite right competition is the word this is supposed to be the asia pacific economic cooperation forum but competition has been much more in the air and it is between a bloc of countries the united states foremost among them but also australia japan new zealand who are really defining their announcements almost in opposition to china you had an announcement earlier from those countries i mentioned australia new zealand the us japan saying that they would invest millions of dollars in papua new guinea bringing electricity so the poorest parts of this country at the moment only thirty percent of people in papua new guinea have reliable power those countries say with their money and with pattern you can ian helpers well they'll bring that number up to seventy percent of the country by twenty.
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