even also the street that the story has not changed from the very beginning while the saudi story has changed a half a dozen times and that proves that the turks are very sure of what they are talking about and also there is something else that you know they feel strongly about and they feel you know positively about which is the fact that after several of the weeks since the death of come out and after the story has almost started to subside both locally regionally and internationally they have been able to manage to take it to the fore again and to take it to the white house to the american highest circles and to manage to have it discussed again on the highest level in the united states and now the turks are waiting hours or as you just said for the white house to come out in a matter of two days to say to determine who has given the order for the killing of them out hotshot to so here there is a feeling of a feeling of satisfaction about the process that has been followed here in turkey

since the beginning of this case until now and also a feeling of wait and see to see the results of the efforts that turkey has been deploying to bring a conclusion to this to this investigation ok thank you mohamed that saudi consulate in istanbul. right so we have got two guests joining us to discuss this now two guests coming from different areas of expertise but i think they can complement each other and really give us a good idea of where the story is developing now we've got holly and josh on who you will have seen plenty on al-jazeera since the start of the story he is the executive director of the arab center in washington d.c. he's on skype from fairfax virginia on the left of your screen bob is a former intelligence officer joining us on skype from taunton in the u.k. gentlemen thank you to both of you if i can start with you and your initial reaction where things are just going just at the moment the tape is there donald

trump says he doesn't want to listen to it any seems to be giving saudi arabia almost as much time and as much rope as possible as much leeway as possible. i think we are in the middle of a political courage this act as well as the recent statements by the president clearly it reflects two conflicts at least. you know in play right now one is with drums own mind i'm not a psychiatry was really his mind but it's very clear from the statements that he made the last three days that is very conflicted with regards to the first should be very clear on the one hand he's aware that there are some serious questions that need answering and at the same time he doesn't want to hurt what he perceives is perceived as the important economic relationship with saudi arabia but not

with the story but just let me interrupt you there on that note i mean isn't he in some ways just actually verbalizing what the u.s. saudi relationship has been all this time it is about this very very close relationship and he's the one willing to sort of as opposed to past presidents say it out loud. well he is in a way because traditionally the relationship the bilateral relationship between riyadh in washington has been described quite often. you know as one of shared value but indeed it is really shared interest rather than shared value so if we put aside the propaganda of the last fifty sixty years seventy years of the relationship with the kingdom i think in a way this shows removes the fig leaf if you will and exposes that weakness and that when realty of the relationship second i think he reveals that there is a conflict in washington a conflict between different agencies is mistrust of the intelligence community is

very clear and he's not willing to believe. that assessment he's still struggling with that and he's buying a little bit more time saying you know he needs two more days to issue a report by the administration but the administration has spoken already i mean the cia is not that free lance organization doesn't work for the russians it works for the u.s. government he's in charge of these sixteen intelligence agencies that basically produce these these assessments so it's an escape from reality almost equal instability as the escape that we have witnessed in riyadh honey i'll stay there for me it's a good chance for what you've spoken about to bring in bob baer former intelligence officer in taunton and your opinion why is it that donald trump is so reluctant to believe his own people it seems quite extraordinary the president would even entertain that. well i don't believe it's a matter of belief or the intel community or not he's essential to two very

unpalatable choices one is to publicly acknowledge that a murder took place in which case he has kept chastise the saudis or two he denies it and which and he's going to be made to look foolish one. one thing that we haven't really explored in the comparison between trump's denial this time and the way he denied russian involvement previously with the election and that is the intelligence that was generated as a result of the investigation and a collision with the russians was u.s. generated intelligence now the intelligence on the murder. was generated by the turks and if we go back and examine what has happened time after time if the saudis would come out on monday and say it didn't happen then monday afternoon the turks say we have proven it and then on wednesday if the saudis said well it didn't have any embassy wednesday afternoon the turks said well we have proof it did. one of

the dilemmas facing trump and the u.s. in total memory for that matter is no one is really sure how extensive the turkish intelligence collection against the saudis has been they help for all we know they may have video they may have people that were on scene that saw the murder take place so problems are at risk here because even if he denies it the turks could still come out and say well the president said it didn't happen and we're going to prove again we're going to prove to the world we're going to make it public you know which is something they couldn't do with the russian investigation you know what he could do he could listen to the tape i mean you would have heard they the clip from donald trump in saying there's no reason for me to hear the tape i mean that's that's just that's childish denial that's all that is i mean if you don't want something you don't want to believe something happen for god's sakes don't look at proof that are out so all he's doing is closing his eyes to avoid looking at something that's painful or scary to the man that's that's just childish but you

know what's interesting is that you remember back when there was a chemical attack in syria which donald trump did act upon and it was because of the parent he would tell the pictures of suffering children that that he saw that actually changed his mind and brought into action so you know there is i know it's stretching it a little here but there is precedent for that sort of thing well if i remember correctly when you know that chemical attacks took place and trump actually intervene it wasn't as a result of seeing pictures of little kiddies as a result of family pressure brought to bear on the president to intervene so the pictures pictures are terrible things to look at we can look at pictures of starving children and dead bodies and this all day long but that doesn't alter the problem that trump finds right now and that is what does he do with regard to the clear participation and collaboration of the saudi prince in this murder the saudi princes the new saudi leader designate and the last thing the americans want to do

is to disturb that. very comfortable relationship with the saudis however they are being put in a position where they have to disturb the comfortable relationship was the crown prince because it surely looks like he's dirty and involved in all of this ok bob stay there for me again if you wouldn't mind. back to shannon fairfax is listening to one or all of that what do you think highly of is there any. kind of hope is the word i want but any chance do you think of donald trump actually changing his mind here in and leaning more towards what his own people are saying. of course of course there is i mean anybody who has been observing donald trump since he got involved in politics he's like the weather in london i mean if you don't like it just wait for a couple of minutes. he will change his mind but the main thing here i mean i although i agree with bob in terms of the facts of the case i disagree a little bit with the conclusion that first of all as bob was very well the president has been briefed all along on this issue from the first report by the

c.e. gets briefed several times a week most of the time he turns that but even down to it doesn't it then because he doesn't like to get up early but he's definitely he receives reports about these briefings second he sent the director of the cia to turkey to see all of that stuff including that they plan she came back and reported back to him so this denial is indeed as bob said is this money challenge that it's foolish as a matter of fact as he said so you know whether he views the pictures or it doesn't you the picture he already has the information and his problem is the ability to make decisions as he does and other areas including firing people i mean people. you know clearly this raises some serious questions about his ability to conduct the foreign policy of a superpower and and this is not new it just simply

a new application if you will to another case study that i should say of you gentlemen thank you both your time. joining us from fairfax virginia and bob as was in taunton in the u.k. thank you earlier we heard from steven earle and he is the chief diplomatic correspondent in europe for the new york times to tell us whatever the cia analysis suggests president trump is as we've been hearing from our guests unlikely to blame the saudi crown prince for caution is murder. inside man is very important to the white house policy i mean jerrod questioner the son in law's embrace the crown prince. the crown prince is felt so have been reckless there's no question there are rumors that his power has been constrained a bit in saudi arabia but the cia now believes he will survive in the job so here's the future of saudi arabia at least for now which is why it matters to the united states not just president trump but the united states as

a whole they made an analysis apparently there's no direct x. voice. but in some modern ordering this murder her or him at all on tape so the president could if he chooses they will his analysis a slightly different from the analysis of the cia has made a conclusion present may have a slightly different conclusion or may put a different shape. on that conclusion as you know but there are lots of ways to skin a cat. but i'd be very surprised very very surprised if president trump himself blames the crown prince mohammed bin psalm on the for this murder one of the not related to the question the story a prominent saudi cleric is now waiting his face off to the country's public prosecutor called for the death penalty. was arrested a year ago as part of crown prince mohammed bin summons crackdown on dissent his

son had spoken to his ears up front with my three haasan about the case. do you think they're serious about that that they would really execute a cleric as prominent as your father salma outer walls do you think those who went to the saudi consulate were serious to take the liar for the prominent journalist and veteran saudi. it's i mean it's the same mentality it's a pattern it didn't it did not start with my father did not start with it's a pattern that we have it with we have seen through the past one year and a half since the crown prince came to power they did everything in their power to just silence others to crackdown on dissent to just do impulsive policy you say it's a power some might say yes it is a power and your father was arrested imprisoned punished by the saudi authorities

in the past who in the one nine hundred ninety s. when he was a quote unquote islamist rabble rouser his critics said many would say why he's being presented with m.b.a.'s the saudi government under any prince or king has always taken a very dim view of people who oppose the government is so it's rotarian is always tyranny. trying to ask and demand political reform is never something that you should be punished for political reform that my father and other spoke for. is actually the solution is actually the path towards ability we'll come back to the political reform in a moment just to confirm many say your father was arrested in september twenty seventh because he refused to publish a tweet to his fourteen million followers at the request of the saudi government that supported the saudi led blockade of qatar which full disclosure owns this channel owns al-jazeera english is that true it's a trigger it's true because after he tweeted when he when he heard about the year

he comes. ation between the qatar and saudi government he tweeted a lot between their hearts for the better of their people few hours after that tweet he was arrested that was the trigger that's of course the direct reason that he was arrested in september two thousand seventy but there is a long yes yes history and relationship and the full interview is on up front with matthew house on monday eight thirty g.m.t. on al-jazeera it's also online in the show's section about zero dot com we will look at some other news now in the united nations and red cross say hundreds of thousands of yemenis are in immediate danger from renewed fighting in the data the besieged port is vital for food and humanitarian aid shipments as widespread famine is threatened how many reports from across the red sea in djibouti. after a brief pause in fighting

a few days ago the besieged city of her days again in flames. fighters us a top targeted industrial complex on the outskirts with rockets and artillery because it was a base for the pro-government alliance backed by so did the u.s. its forces took control of these parts of the eastern suburbs a few days ago philthy commanders say the recent p forces fired is simply a ploy to allow their allies to the group in the military escalation must be met with a similar escalation once the balance of power is gained over they are in possession of advanced technologies sophisticated weapons in addition to the logistic support from the usa then a political solution can be acceptable to them if we remain weak they will dictate their own terms. the two day lolling fighting earlier this week seems all but shouted on the residents of the city are bracing themselves for more fight. video posted on the internet by the pro-government dance brigade shows troops advancing

towards the neighborhood south of near the city's airport. data has been under attack for months dolphins' it is aimed at cutting filthy controlled areas from their main supply agreement the un and the international red cross say the resumption of fighting is and then you lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians trapped in that densely populated city. the head of the world food program was just visited today the ses yemenis are only months away from full scale . we asked the leaders of this country to give us the access that we need the support that we need unimpeded exit is so that we can be engaged doing what we do this. in changing the port of her days a lifeline for millions of yemenis up to eighty percent of humanitarian supplies fuel and goods on which they depend docked here aid workers. is

still a possibility something that could risk more than fourteen million a dependent yemenis on the fighting is said to continue as both sides try to gain more territory ahead of peace talks due to be held on the end of the year is sweden . djibouti the u.s. envoy for afghanistan says he is hoping for a peace deal with the taliban by april has had three days of talks here in qatar where the taliban has a political office a u.s. led coalition force the taliban from power seventeen years ago of course following the nine eleven attacks on new york and washington but the taliban still controls almost half of afghanistan and frequently attacks security forces and government targets it has refused to negotiate directly with the internationally recognized afghan government calling it an illegitimate regime put in place by foreign powers or former taliban negotiator michael semple has told us the talks could be crucial

in this whole peace process. they're significant and it really is you know remarkable if the and boy from his is now saying that now he hopes to get a deal by april because until now publicly the taliban have not given anything away well i think that they actually the u.s. will really be delighted if they if the taliban would come on the inside when it comes down to the this is the interests of the u.s. they went in there actually because of problems with al qaeda and it was the taliban's sheltering of terrorists rather than the fact that the taliban were in government now the u.s. has got no intention of sort of handing government lock stock stock and barrel over to the taliban but the whole idea of the u.s. encouraging the taliban to join talks with the afghan government is that they can come up with some deal whereby they the taliban come into the political system i mean the whole idea of us of a the a plural to the whole system like they have

enough understand is that there's meant to be room for everyone but until now the taliban have refused to talk directly to the afghan government they've refused to acknowledge the government to accept the political system and they haue yet prepared their membership for the kind of political compromise that would you know would be in both so far what the leadership has been telling the members of the moment is that the fight goes on until the the u.s. pulls out and we restore our government without sharing. a car bomb explosions killed at least five people in iraq sixteen others were wounded outside a restaurant and to create security forces close most of the city's streets and no one has claimed responsibility. britain's prime minister says attempts to topple her from power will be pointless and risk causing delays to the braggs in negotiations so reason most critics are urging her to return to brussels to demand

more concessions for her draft deal to leave the european union conservative party opponents are gathering support for a challenge to her leadership but it's unclear whether the forty eight letters of no confidence needed to trigger a vote have actually been sent. just to recap developments this sunday in the jamal khashoggi case u.s. president donald trump says he has not listened to the apparent recordings of the murder of the saudi journalist as they are too graphic this is in stark contrast to contrast to the republican senator lindsey graham has launched another verbal attack on the saudi crown prince and some in the u.s. government is expected to release a report into the killing on tuesday we have the tape i don't want to hear the tape no reason for me to hear the tape why don't i have been really want to get richer because it's just suffering tape it's a terrible tape i've been fully briefed on it there's no reason for me to hear it in fact i said to the people they said you really shouldn't plenty more on the case

of course that al-jazeera dot com and the rest of the day's news we are back with the news hour in about twenty five minutes time twenty five minutes time next it's inside story. andresen may deliver breck's it britain's prime minister is fighting to save her job and convince the nation to back her voice deal with the e.u. and what if there is no deal this is inside story.

welcome to the program i'm richelle carey britain's exit from the european union has finally been agreed to but for exodus far from a done deal united kingdom is anything but the country's deeply divided e.u. leaders who due to sign the trapped occupant in brussels next week but first m.p.'s in london must approve then prime minister theresa may is under attack from her party from parliament from the public are criticizing her for failing to negotiate better divorce terms to go it alone she says it's the only deal that will work but failing to bow to demands to renegotiate risk losing her job conservative party m.p.'s are gathering support hoping to trigger a vote of no confidence and her leadership the leader of the house of commons has told the prime minister her draft deal needs improving what i'm doing is working

very hard to support the prime minister in getting the brics deal at seventeen point four million people voted full and i think there's still the potential to improve on the clarification and on some of the measures within it and that's what time hoping to be able to help with the french finance minister says some british m.p.'s have lied to british people and the dream of leaving the e.u. is a nightmare. you know we can do it obviously each country is free to decide to leave the single market to leave the european union but what brooks it shows is that the economic costs of leaving the single market is quite simply exorbitant and that there are certainly lying and irresponsible politicians in great britain who explained to the british people that would end up in a bright future the truth is that brooks it will end in a nightmare. chancellor says the deal is good for everyone this is going. to say it's a good deal for both sides nobody was tricked into it but this deal prevents

a heart it helps us in europe but it helps britain even more hardbacks it would hurt great britain much more i sincerely hope that there will be some necessary support in the british parliament. as introduce the panel now in stockholm by skype james savage c.e.o. of the local europe he also writes on how her exit affects british people in the e.u. and durham tom brokaw's he is an author of the author adler of becoming british and dean and professor of law and government law school and finally and st andrews also by skype through like a mini scottish fully campaigner welcome to all of you drew i want to start with you is the deal as bad as the critics say yeah i really do think it's that is the critics say and i hate to say it's even a bracks a deal because it's really not bracks and it's really only directed in name only it doesn't allow the united kingdom to become an international player like rex it was

supposed to strike their own trade deals and go from there to the same time it also and take back control of their laws but at the same time it also could very well lead to the splitting up in the breaking up of the united kingdom especially in relation to northern ireland and i will kind of back to that point obviously tom i want your thoughts is this deal as bad as as everybody says. that it is as bad as people say but two years ago i came out and said that when the prime minister was saying bracks it means practice it but it wasn't much substance behind it i thought that there wouldn't be any genuine. at all at least not in the plans that we would see and i and then part of me is pleased to see that that's come true another part of me is very disappointed to see what's before us and i want to explain in a second why it's so bad i think on the remains side those who want to stay in european union of course they will not like any deal to leave the european union but the moment britain has a voice at the top table while being subjected to e.u.

rules the plan would have a subject to the rules without a say at the table on the leave side so many are upset about this i think because there are many different voices calling for many different things not all of which can be accommodated and the prime minister will have an impossible task of trying to please everyone and she's shown that she's not been able to please anyone it would seem. james do you do you agree with that what are your thoughts on this this intensely negative response that strathfield has gotten i mean this is this is this was going to this was inevitable from the very beginning there was it was always there that it was that he used all of it so easily it would be an accident where there's also at least in the short term a very difficult so that was always going to be something that she was not going to be able to deliver. yet of course while doing what she's doing now which is trying all of the really the result of the referendum and sort of hall. she leaves

borrowing many of the benefit she she she takes she she did reason. to the e.u. in many respects but without the say so you know it's the opposite that this doesn't in the us and this doesn't leave. the i suppose has drafted you really has been supporting both sides equally i'm a patient. the alternative is that it's crashing out without a deal of the remaining those. and stating that you believe so you push this through problem of but it is looking very vocal and james that we've played a little bit of calm some comments from the french finance minister a few minutes ago basically saying that the british people were lied to they were sold a bill of goods and i'm paraphrasing but a lot of people have said that do you agree with that. i think it's quite clear that there were quite a lot of lies told by the campaign the idea that that

membership the european union was costing footage taxpayers three hundred fifty million pounds a week and that money would be able to go to the n.h.s. that the all of us the over the obvious lie there was and it was a it was a pretty ill informed campaign and that was saying that there were those people i think what was significant evidence put forward now are facts of the journalist carol what was there in the guardian who are public. significant evidence of a wrongdoing on the part of the leak campaign basically that lead to the you've been officially campaign that was very prominent kerry your jury your jury. because you're representing campaign so yeah i think you know we have seen that it's we've seen lots of bites on but it's largely a as you know is the case in politics but the lawyers don't believe in the least like seem to be particularly egregious and i think they say that the comments from the road from the from the french governments have been echoed. by governments

around europe who feel what they see happening and through as someone who is prime bracks i want your thoughts on that do you think that people were told that something could happen that just can't happen absolutely not i think the reason why we're not seeing am abraxas like all these campaigners promise is because we have to remember none of these people that campaign for bracket supported roxette none of them have been big say in the government none of them have been negotiating the deal this bracks it deal has been negotiated by people who supported remaining in the european union it's all the people who can't get all the government government leaders who are civil servants have been in charge of negotiating and selling this deal to the public they're all people that didn't believe in bracks that they're not people who made the arguments and supporting bracks that will take back control of law were to take back control of our own trade deal strike our own trade deals and be our own global power. i think the reason why we haven't seen a lot of follow through is on what drug satiric support is because drugs that years have been people who support drugs that have been completely shut out of the

negotiation process it's been conducted completely by people that supported remaining in the european union and that's why i don't think we're seeing a bracks it that the majority of people voted for i can tell by their facial expressions from both james and tom that well both want to get in on that so tom i'll let you go first. well i would respectfully disagree entirely with that within hours of the referendum result nigel farage a very prominent campaigner for leaving dropped out of politics quit altogether wasn't of anything to do with actually delivering the bricks that he think i'm painting for for about a quarter of a century boris johnson michael gove. drops out doesn't even try to become leader of the tory party when when then prime minister david cameron stepped down here to be sickly removing himself from having anything to do substantially with bracks it says the leader michael gove quickly removed from the leadership contest himself everyone prominent who wanted it to happen during the campaign were ran like scared

little children how it came time to actually putting something together and that said treason may i thought played a blinder in choosing david davis to be a bex a secretary who is the politically charged for the government in seeing through cracks it and then having boris johnson pointed foreign secretary of course both ran away as soon as a deal was to be agreed by the cabinet citing lots of things they don't like but never once being able to provide any plausible alternative to this so there have been senior exit tears have been at the top table michael gove is a member of the government was the co-chair of the official who leave campaign so it's not like a brick to tears had nothing to do with it and we're away a lot of them ran away a lot of them chose not to be part of this and i think that there is a lot of responsibility on them for failing to deliver on the promises that they made in terms of lying i think that there was mistruths on both sides and i think

that there is a wider issue around campaign finance rules that were violated and the need for some further criminal investigation there but i think that that main point about well you know the deal isn't so good and we'll go blame a civil servant doesn't if most blood on its face. james what about that where are the the people that feel very strongly about bracks and why it why did some of them back away from the table from these leadership roles i think there are various reasons i mean one reason was that they weren't as we're not you're very particularly clear that boris johnson wasn't going to. get the confidence of a lot of m.p.'s to become leader of the party but i also think now that i think beyond the the issue of personalities i think what's been what's become very clear during the press and to go to the asians is that while many of the representatives have had very strong ideas about what they don't want they haven't been very there about how to resolve some very key problems in the press and again jason one of one of which is how to appoint

a hardcore between northern ireland and the republic of ireland which everyone says they want to avoid but. that requires the problem of this and that's why the maids try to keep the whole of the u.k. within their customs union post-crisis. because that will help avoid that halder so you know i think you know that there were there were threats it years who were in those positions where they you know where they were able to make a difference to these negotiations david davis was officially the chief reykjavik o'shea's and he was like minded recent in recent months but from the very beginning he was that he would be the chief negotiator but the problem was not really personalities the problem was fundamental contradictions the process that they have been problems with that he drew a tree some may have has sat and some our supporters have said if you hate what i'm doing so much then where are the better ideas. does she have a point. i don't really think so at all and i think that. that stands right now i

think it's a better idea to leave and leave without a deal than the deal that's on the table i strongly contend that no deal is always better than a bad deal this is current deal right now and try and the u.k. in two inches signed into. bill into the customs union where the u.k. would be able to strike their own trade deals it would get northern ireland a century under dublin brussels rule so i think a better idea than this deal right now is frankly leaving without a deal i think that and i think the point about drugs and here is running away from the negotiation table running away from responsibility i don't think that's fully accurate either they left the table and they left these posts because they were shut out they were either not given the opportunity in leadership contest or they were put in senior government officials positions such as bracks that secretary they were sidelined in the negotiations their job was sell this to the british public it wasn't to actually negotiate the deal so they were leaving the government out of protest to show that they weren't having any part of this to show that they were being shut out of the deal tom iraq and i think you have an issue with act.

well i think he have you have david davis press secretary for his trance and his foreign secretary and then liam fox overseeing trade you know people are the senior members secretaries joining the government in the cabinet so i mean they were not junior if they weren't doing anything for a couple years and they were wasting taxpayer money knowingly surely they had some kind of hand in this you know certainly boris johnson his foreign secretary had a hand in delivering the kind of practices and it's just simply true that people ran away from the leadership contest as soon as they could not just their eyes was nowhere to be seen boris johnson maybe didn't have the votes from various people that in even trying to get the votes he had people who wanted to make him tory leader he didn't even try he had a personality been that he was in when even take part so i think that you know they really haven't shown leadership they saw how difficult it would be to deliver on

their promises and they chose it was better to snipe at the sidelines they do something substantive or make a point very quickly on a new deal i think the deal is a very significant problem for its reality and that is we do not have in the united kingdom any infrastructure no system no people in place to organize custom checks and other types of things that would have to happen within months there's been no one hired there is no new agency there is nothing in place to make any of this happen and so it's a kind of we without a deal because well we don't want to be tied into certain things we don't don't like i think is is particularly irresponsible given that the enormous challenges the numerous shutdown that would happen to britain not least no planes would be able to fly over europe from from the u.k. from from the end of march so it would be it's really much worse than i think then when you look at the details and that's been something that davis johnson go and others have not wanted to talk about the details really it's just makes the whole

new deal such an aerial. really unthinkable james am obviously the e.u. didn't want this divorce right this is the u.k. they you didn't want this to happen so you know they're not going to make the negotiations easy the but the person that doesn't want to divorce usually doesn't having said that is the e.u. driving too hard of a bargain and if the u.k. and damaged in this is that bad for everybody i don't think you could accuse the e.u. driving to have a boat that they be very consistent throughout in setting in setting out with promises of what they were wrong with what i'm told they said is that we're going to look after ourselves if you want to leave us feeling but we're going to look up our own interests we have a single market that we work very hard to build up over many years and it's a very it's a rules based single market i am if you want to be pope about single market you're going to have to pay the bills and the brits are saying the brits the reason we want all the benefits of the single market but we don't want to be bound by its

rules or by the european court of justice now the europeans that was that was a red line to cut their red lines but the europeans have had bad red lines as well and with them it's about protecting the system that they've got and you know they don't want risk of to benefit from leaving the e.u. but that's not what a little group is ition for them to want to be and they want to protect the they want to protect the institutions that they've built up and they don't want a situation where it's seen as advantages to the e.u. and you can get all the fact that but none of the growth of that would be that would be unsustainable for. drew i want to go back to a point that tom made a minute ago that there are there's been these grand talked about about all these ideas of what bracks it should and could be but not a lot of digging down into the details of how you actually make this happen and it's very very soon what of that where are the people that have the nuts and bolts on how to actually execute something this huge this historic. right i mean i think

the people are there they were there if they are they they are there and that's why there's a leadership challenge to the prime minister right now they aren't satisfied with they aren't satisfied with what's going on they want to put another prime minister in power who actually deliver iraq that they want i'm talking about you're taking a tough negotiations and of course you're going to take a tougher to get negotiation stance anyone should and could take in to talk negotiation stance on something this important but you know the the u.k. is not chopped liver the u.k. has dropped could take just as tough as a stance to hurt the european union if they wanted to publicly they could say what's going to happen when the european union doesn't get any of our funding where in that funder of the european union are french farmers going to start riding when they don't get their subsidy is. going to pay subsidies to eastern european countries it's really i think in the u.k. strikes a great free trade deal with the us in the us a still trading on w t o rules with the e.u. there's plenty of situations where the u.k. comes out of this much much stronger than the european union does and knowing that

the europe the u.k. has to be willing to walk away in the deal i think i think that's the most important thing at this point the u.k. needs to get tougher a negotiation bring out that we know the united kingdom is pretty much we necessary a favor we need a deal that helps both sides and had deal european union so tom what what is going to happen and that coming days is theresa may going to survive this is this about her leadership and where the world is a deal going to come from. well it seems clear that there's a lot of anger not disappointment on her own benches we've been hearing poor most of the last week about letters of no confidence being submitted to graham brady a graduate. calling for a possible no confidence in the prime minister and we were all waiting for this day after day and none of that's happened and some company commentators have said if

the if the anti-terrorism a forces in her party can organize forty eight letters they definitely won't be able to organize a better treaty the could be something very soon and i would rule out that you know her leadership is under some some serious challenge if she were to be if she was to lose but if she were to win a vote of confidence then she would be safe for at least another year the tories wouldn't be able to do it again for another year and we may well and she'll be able to try to proceed with her plan but win or lose the no confidence vote i think there's no there's not votes for the current plan and the new deal seems unless there's some other change the more likely outcome because she's in a minority government her m.p.'s are not a majority she relies on the d.v.d. party and or that are than to get anything through on that she can get some extra votes from opposition parties there's no support in any of the opposition parties

for this plan there is significant minority of her own party is against this and the u.p.a. is out against this so she's going to surely lose votes on this bill and see this she's going to move ahead with that so there's been no deal i would not rule out if she were to succeed in staying as prime minister which i think none of us have any certainty about i think it could be likely she will she could lose this confidence vote ok this deal is going to fail and if it does i suspect parliament is going to go for another referendum jane wow ok so our question then see you james do you think that this draft deal will go down in flames and do you think there really could be another referendum. absolutely so by the questions i mean the if you look at it if you look at the parliamentary representatives very very very hard to think about how to get this deal through one shouldn't rule that out she's being she has a very tricky situations before and parliaments are to manage to pull through but

yeah i think that it's very likely that a combination of her own autocrats its heroes and basically remain as in the rest of the house will vote for this deal that happens it's pretty clear also that there is not a majority in the house of commons or no deal situation i think most most m.p.'s most mainstream m.p.'s are of no deal and that a second referendum becomes a way out for those m.p.'s so i wouldn't i think that's a that's hardly likely scenario and if the anything could happen but that is a hobby that is not ok interest same question and the final question do you think that this will go to another referendum do you think that a deal will be reached right no i don't think they'll be another referendum the united kingdom is not a banana republic two years ago when there was a referendum the government sent out a leaflet that said they were going to follow through on the vote there i mean i

don't think there's reagan votes and i think it's a very very bad precedent for democracy when you have a vote and then two years later decide it's time to do a reading vote so i don't think a referendum will be happening i don't think the majority in the conservatives or the labor party wants that to happen and as of right now i would say it's most likely there be no deal hopefully there's a deal i think there is a deal the needle benefit both sides as they occur if the current deal is the only option on the table right now so i think it'll be the deal no second referendum in general do you think that teresa mayes the person that can get this through which i like it to be somebody else. look i think of theresa may i think she will survive the vote of no confidence that's my best gas but if she doesn't get this deal through the house of commons i think it's very likely that she'll resign and someone else will step up and deliver an amended deal or no deal for white house but i think it i think that the the let the real litmus test is not on the vote of no confidence it's on getting this deal through the commons and if it doesn't go

through the commons i would put my money on trees and there's james i know you want to get in on that roll quick i can tell by your face i have no i mean. i think if there is it is very easy down i think there is a that very very little that suggests that the public will go for an ideal situation it's hardly it's highly unlikely that parliament will allow that to happen but i really think it's very unlikely that the european union negotiated that mr mitchell bonnie's game is going to allow the. negotiations that are being conducted a painstaking about right to yes i think the very idea of going back to the drawing board and having a renegotiation is very very unlikely ok and that'll be the final word gentlemen thank you so much for this conversation i'm sure we will continue to have this conversation james savage tom fox and sure liquor men thank you for watching as well you can see the program again any time if you go to our website al-jazeera dot

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hello again from doha everyone i'm come on son summary of this is the news hour from al-jazeera donald trump says he won't listen to the tapes of these murders due to their violent content as divisions deep in within the republican party over saudi arabia. also the united nations in the red cross war renewed attacks on the yemeni port had to threaten hundreds of thousands of people. and britain's prime minister fights back against growing calls to rethink her brags that deal. in sport england big croatia to reach the last four of the european nations league in repeats of this year's world cup semifinal. finishes to us. so more divisions are emerging this sunday within the us political leadership over the killing of jamal khashoggi president donald trump says he has an order your

recording of the murder of the saudi journalist but he hasn't listened to it calling it violent and vicious that is in contrast to the republican senator lindsey graham who's launched another verbal attack on the saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman remember already the cia has reportedly concluded it was the crown prince who ordered these killing a trumpet still hesitant to agree with that he is giving saudi arabia more time talking about two more days until the u.s. reveals who killed the journalist in-depth coverage coming up we're starting with rosalynn jordan in washington d.c. who has been watching donald trump's interview on fox news today. well come all the a president did this interview on friday morning so this is before reports of the cia report concluding that the saudi crown prince mohammed bin solomon ordered the murder of jamal because so ski back on october second so you have to look at these comments in that context but it is important to say that

the turkish government which has been leading the investigation of cars showed gays murder has been saying that it has visual and. aural proof. of the murder and so the question has been for several weeks does the u.s. have access to the same her information well now we know from uh this interview again which was recorded on friday that the u.s. government does have copies of this material and has been analyzing it here's more of what the president had to say during fox news sunday. we have the tape i don't want to hear the tape no reason for me to hear the tape why don't i have been what i really want to hear it's or because it's a suffering tape it's a terrible tape i've been fully briefed on it there's no reason for me to hear it in fact i said to the people should they said you really shouldn't there's no reason i know exactly i know everything that went out of the day and without having it and what happened it was very violent very vicious and terrible

a month ago you said you would spoken with saudi crown prince one who had been psalm on and that he had told you directly that he had no knowledge. and skills as that but we now know that some of the people closest to him some of his close advisors were part of this question did anybody just lie to use or. i don't i don't know you know who can really know but i can say this he's got many people now say he had no knowledge what if the crown prince speaking to you the president of the united states directly lied to you was that he told me that he had nothing to do with it he told me that i would say maybe five times at different points to one of his law as recently as a few days ago do you just live with it because you need him well will anybody really know will anybody really know but he did have certainly people that were reasonably close to him and close to him that were probably involved you so we put

on very heavy sanctions massive sanctions on a large group of people from saudi arabia but at the same time we do have an ally and i want to stick with an ally that in many ways has been very good. rosalynn let's move on because on the flip side you've got senator lindsey graham republican senator lindsey graham who are nine times out of ten would back president donald trump and believe what he said very much the opposite. very much the opposite and it could be argued that lindsey graham the south carolina republican is speaking for many on capitol hill and he expresses his frustration that the that so far the crown prince has not been held personally accountable by the u.s. for jamaal murder this is what he had to say on the sunday public affairs shows they're an important ally but when it comes to their crown prince he's irrational he's on hand and i think he's done

a lot of damage to the relationship between the united states and saudi arabia and i have no intention of working with him ever again i'm going to do whatever i can to place blame where i believe it lies put it at the feet of the crown prince who has been a destructive force in the mideast embargoed or without telling anybody of this war and humans got completely out of control who put the prime minister of lebanon under house arrest is clearly this guy's a wrecking ball when it comes to the middle east in a relationship with the united states. wonderful might be good to actually explain . outside of the u.s. particularly how much power and influence lindsey graham has because his words certainly very strong. well lindsey graham has a lot of influence here and washington not only has him has he become a major supporter of the us president donald trump this after opposing his very

candidacy for the presidency in two thousand and sixteen but he also is extremely influential when it comes to legal matters he is a reserve officer in the u.s. air force dealing with legal matters and he's also very influential on foreign policy issues for until he passed away he was john mccain was very much a partner with lindsey graham on foreign policy issues and so he comes by his criticism on a sling but again lindsey graham isn't the only person on capitol hill making these claims about mohammed bin solemn and there have been similar criticisms coming from other republicans and other democrats pretty much for the last couple of years since mohammed bin solid month has become the heir apparent to his father king solomon there has been real concern about the blockade of gaza there has been real concern about the conduct of the war in yemen in which the saudi air force has been

targeting heute the rebels and in the views of many on capitol hill has been inadvertently or perhaps deliberately targeting civilians as part of trying to prop up the government of president hadi and so these criticisms are not new but certainly given that the white house and in this case the president has been incredibly reluctant to say that perhaps this was the work of the crown prince as the cia is now had has now concluded it makes just really much more important when someone such as lindsey graham comes forward to say look this is really a problem and we really need to get our arms around it right now final little bit of context if you wouldn't mind. and that has to do with the change of control of power in the united states coming in the new year with the democrats taking back the house is there a chance that things can change again there with respect to saudi arabia with respect to the president and his relationship with the cia all of these sorts of

issues. well there can be some more pressure brought because the house is now going to be under the control of democratic politicians but really the real source of power when it comes to foreign policy lies in the u.s. senate the republicans still have that control but let's not forget lindsey graham is a republican he. stood by a number of other very prominent republicans who believe and share his views that no matter how important saudi arabia is as a security ally or as an economic ally the u.s. still has to look out for its own reputation and in this case it can be argued that the senate is very much concerned about the u.s. is the global reputation he's also can look to senate democrats who have been very much leading the charge on trying to hold saudi arabia accountable not just for

what happened. but also for the conduct of the war inside yemen this is really something that is going to increase pressure on the white house which has now said that it wants to come out with the final report on this murder in the next couple of days but it really comes down to whether or not the president is going to listen to all of these people who theoretically want to support him on many other issues thank you for all of that rosalynn jordan and washington d.c. over to istanbul now his mom involved outside the saudi consulate of course the center of this entire story let's not forget the idea and this is going back to what donald trump has said about the audio recording the idea of a recording has been around for a long time it's been one of the constants hasn't it of the turkish investigation i guess the solidifies their position that this is always been here and that it's a very important part of the whole puzzle.

that's come out here in turkey there is a growing feeling of confidence about the turkish story and the take of the results and the revelations that the turks have given from the first data member that the talk about the killing and the cut and the cutting of the body of command. was and now the following day the day after the killing of. just in the consulate right behind me so i mean the turks feel that now the confidence this confidence that they have proven long these seven weeks and the fact that such the saudis always denied were there were the tech said and then they came around to confirm it they they feel that they have really created the momentum for this story and for the investigation and also the other thing they have realized and which is which is causing some feeling of satisfaction here about the process they have taken is that

in washington after several weeks and after some feeling. during the last few weeks that the story has subsided and probably the world has moved on the public opinion particularly in the united states now the story has been the investigation and the case has been brought back to the table in the white house in the highest circles of power in washington and donald trump has finally come around to say that he's going to determine and to announce who gave the order for the killing of all of this as i said has created some momentum here and has created some satisfaction that the turks are on the right path from the very beginning and remember also that you know we had at the beginning of the of the of the whole case that you know there is a tape there was a tape of about twenty seven minutes now we have seven minutes of that and we have also another fifteen minutes and that's why some people here say that probably the turks still.